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A "Trumped Up" Issue?
March 18, 2008 8:12 AM
Matthew Yglesias at the Atlantic writes of the controversy surrounding Rev. Jeremiah Wright's comments: "I see this as a basically trumped-up issue."
Says Yglesias, "I'm unsure, in general, of what the standards we're supposed to apply to the political views of politicians' favored clergy. I have no idea what the rabbis at Temple Rodef Shalom (where I've gone to synagogue the past few High Holy Days) or at The Village Temple (where I had my bar mitzvah) think about political issues, but I assume I don't agree with them about everything, and certainly it'd be odd to drag up old statements made by any of the relevant rabbis about this or that and then ask me to either endorse the statement or repudiate the entire congregation.
"By the same token, we don't assume that a politician who goes to mass wants to ban birth control nor do we ask Catholics who favored preventive war with Iraq to repudiate the Pope in order to prove their hawk bona fides. In short, we generally assume that a politician's stated political views express his or her position on political topics, and that affiliating with a religious congregation does not constitute an endorsement of everything the leaders of that congregation have ever said."
Jonah Goldberg at National Review ain't buying it.
"If John McCain had spent twenty years hanging with Pat Robertson, describing him as his mentor, attending Robertson's church, having his kids baptized by Robertson, having Robertson officiate at his wedding, giving him the inspiration for the title of his career-making autobiography, collaborating with him in political organizing, and then tried to dismiss criticism by calling Robertson his lovable uncle who sometimes goes too far, there is no way on God's green earth Yglesias or his crowd would call this 'trumped up,'" Goldberg writes.
Have you heard your priest/minister/rabbi/imam say things in sermons that you found objectionable? If so, what did you do?
- jpt
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If he was a uniter who cares deeply about his friend, mentor or adviser, then he could've changed Wright's views or at least convinced him to tone down his divisive speeches - as he himself admits that it is not helping the situation. Instead, he allowed this man to keep giving inflammatory speeches, cultivating more anger and animosity among African Americans. The only explanation I can think of is, he believes and feels the same way about America.
Posted by: Felicia | Mar 18, 2008 1:48:42 PM
Ok Kiddies,
Today's lesson is about lies. Sweet little lies. It's O.K. to lie. And its O.K. to lie and not admit it. And it's O.K. to lie to everyone about pretty much everything. On national television. No....really, it's O.K. And it's O.K. to throw grandma under the train and then stomp on her for good measure. No problem.
You see, if we all lie enough, we can be just like all those other 3rd World countries. Really, just Trump something up......and then lie about it. Lie about it until the cows come home. It works every time.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs
You must be on the wrong article. We are posting about Senator Obama's speech. You want the Hillary campaign article that is referencing her and Bill's years of service.
Posted by: KP | Mar 18, 2008 1:45:30 PM
Face it, the only reason why he did a 180 on Wright is because the other black leaders blasted him for throwing Wright under the bus.
If everyone had blasted Wright, you can bet Obama would be right in line condemning him and saying how boneheaded he was to not recognise what a heretic he was.
As for being led into the Christian faith...one would question what sort of Christian he is. After all, his pastor has been rather creative with the contents in the Bible. Might explain Wright's vocabulary too.
Posted by: Jsn | Mar 18, 2008 1:44:30 PM
Amy and AmazonTraveler -- Great points. I give him credit for making a good speech and raising some valid issues that all Americans should stop to consider. However, delivering this in the wake of his pastor's controversial statements is not being a thought leader.
For me, it's coming across as "damage control, but while I'm there, it brings up some good points..." I really think had he based his campaign platform on this speech, he would have had this thing sealed long ago.
We've all been afraid to say anything for fear of being called a racist and what he said today is reinforcing the point that racism is very relevant and that it should be discussed. It loses it's bite though to bring it up mid-election rather than in the beginning.
Posted by: LOM | Mar 18, 2008 1:42:24 PM
the speech was great. But it was just what any other politician would do-when they go into damage control. This is what happens when-we the American Voters get all caught up in emotion-we did and do not know obama-but evryone has cheered and gone out there and voted for him anyway. and now he is on his way to being the dem. nominee-so what do we do now-as an african american female-I am going to as all the voters left to vote-Pa, NC, Indiana-and please go and right this-we cannot go into the general election-with obama against mccain. This blunder in his campaign is just a preview of what his presidency maybe like-we do not need a president in training-going through trial and error. His campaign people should have seen this coming and done something a long time ago. Now for me his candiacy is all about his credibility-and his backers not really knowing what to do-the nafta statement to the canadians, the rezko story-first he said 150k-now he has had to come clean and tell it was 250k-the advisor in ireland saying what she said about the war-telling the american people one thing and telling the irish another thing.-rev. wright-1st he said had not heard this man speak such vile-now in his speech he said he had heard it. credibility-and lack of experience by his advisors spell disaster-(I say again his advisors should have know this was coming) sad for obama-good for the american voter to now know this.
he said he wanted his transcend race-but having gone to a church for 20yrs and having rev. wright in his back pocket has now made his part all about race. But guess what, we are not having a race war-all americans are hurting because of the economy-and his ideas about how to solve the economy have all been copied from Hillary.
We need a president who has a good command of the issues, can thing on their feet and address the problems eg the economy, healthcare ,etc.go and listen to hillary' speech about the economy that she gave yesterday. She runs circles around obama and mccain on the issues. Mccain wants to keep us in Iraq for 50-100 years-I do know mccain said he did not know much about the economy.-and now we do not really know what obama is going to do for us-he has not handled this well-so the skit on SNL about the 3am call-where he is call Hillary (and she has the cold cream on her face) may not be far from the truth.
of course he will not be calling hillary, but I think he will be call someone. I just do not think he is ready
and as a 53 black female-I too would love to have seen a black man or woman in the white house before I died. but I would not vote for them just because the person is black. The president must be crediable and have a good command of the issues.
Pa, Nc, Indiana dems-please look past all the crazy things people are saying about Hillary-(which will not put a dime in our pockets) but look at her command of the issues-I know some of you must need healthcare-you have got some fine colleges and universities-I know some of you need help with your student loans-I have a girl 2nd yr. in college- and she is going to be strapped with loans when she gets out in 2010
and I have a junior in high school- I want to hear more about hillarys plan for help with paying for college.
and hillary tell us how she will pay for it. and do not worry about hillary completely losing the black vote-black people will not vote against their economic interest-poor and working class people will be the first mccain will try to send to iraq to fight is 50-100yr war-telling them if they get back the will help them pay for college.
Pa, Nc, Indiana,West Va-it is up to you now-go and vote your interest-vote for hillary.
also: I have been in the black church all my life and none of my pastors have preached such vile-if they had I would not have gone there anymore.
for me obamas candiacy is all about credibility now. the same goes for mccain and his courting hagee and co.
Posted by: jgaw | Mar 18, 2008 1:41:29 PM
wow Matt...I didn't hear him 'condemn' his white grandmother. I heard him give another example of being around folks he cares about and hearing disparaging remarks from BOTH. He has chosen how to deal with those remarks. I don't see him 'embracing' them. But he STILL embraces the people those remarks came from.
But I can also say this....this issue, will be used again and again and again. Because I feel white people will not want to get past this issue. They will just keep using it to defend their right to keep their racist attitude. And if that is your choice, so be it. That doesn't make you superior, that just makes you closed minded.
I choose to believe what the man says, as HE didn't make the comments, and I don't believe he feels that way.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 18, 2008 1:40:59 PM
Ok Kiddies,
Today's lesson is about lies. Sweet little lies. It's O.K. to lie. And its O.K. to lie and not admit it. And it's O.K. to lie to everyone about pretty much everything. On national television. No....really, it's O.K. And it's O.K. to throw grandma under the train and then stomp on her for good measure. No problem.
You see, if we all lie enough, we can be just like all those other 3rd World countries. Really, just Trump something up......and then lie about it. Lie about it until the cows come home. It works every time.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | Mar 18, 2008 1:40:11 PM
dream on dl - some of the black leaders are standing with the Clintons affirming that the Clintons did not play the race card and that is was played on them in SC. Michelle began the divisive nature of his campaign based on racism and sexism. He played the race card again with this speech.
Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 18, 2008 1:34:49 PM
Obama's speech is moving. But, the bottom line, what has he done? If he clearly knows those things are wrong, why didn't he take any action????????
People say we shouldn't use Wright to judge him, but I judge him on his LACK of actions, even this speech was forced to come after everyone was shocked to see those clips. Where is his leadership? where is his unifiying? oh. yes, all in his words, but no actions.
Posted by: Amy | Mar 18, 2008 1:32:04 PM
Obama gave a good speech. No surprise. He is characteristically edging toward disclosing the truth of who he is and what he stands for. We get another glimpse of how he has exercised his judgment in the past with his carefully worded admission now of being present in his church when things were said that he disagreed with etc… which is similar to his renditions of his Rezko relationship. His speech was a good one to have been given 20 years, 10 years, 5 years, last year, any of those past years, however, he sat and listened and did nothing and let those words of his church and his pastor stand as truth and as a foundation of his “spiritual beliefs”.
He now has the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. But in the moment, he stood by silently and did nothing. That’s not leadership, that’s not standing up for what you stand for. It’s being led, not leading. It’s sitting and listening to some things that he now eloquently “explains” with great understanding and compassion. This is characteristic with his absence during the “Iran Vote”; characteristic of his “missing in action” in the Illinois legislature; characteristic of voting present 130 times.
He is a nice person and raises some good points but he isn’t ready to lead the country out of complex and difficult times. He didn’t have the right stuff in years past as he attended this church and allowed these issues to brew but did not speak up and he doesn’t have the right stuff now to stand up and make difficult decisions and face the consequences, and yes, sometimes failures.
Posted by: AmazonTraveler | Mar 18, 2008 1:31:56 PM
I would have respected a more noble speech from him if he had said,
"With regards to Pastor Wright, I was there, I heard what he said, and I believe some of it to be truth. I lied to the American people and for that I truly apologize. I never intended to divide this country along racial lines and I see that my own struggles to accept myself and forgive others for their prejudice born of the ignorant acts of our ancestors played a role. I have failed in my quest to unite America because I am still torn within. For the good of the party, the country, and the world, I am withdrawing from the race and fully endorse Senator Clinton for President of the United States."
Only then would I believe that he could then begin to heal from all the brainwashing he has obviously endured over the past 20 years as a member of TUCC guided by a man with a distorted view of the world. Only then would I believe he could being to show that he does not agree with Farrakhan and genocide of non-black peoples.
Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 18, 2008 1:30:17 PM
Hey Jake. Obama called YOU out in that speech- you and your chattering, sound-biting, division-fomenting colleagues. Are you man enough to rise to the challenge and start being a real reporter?
Posted by: Steve LaBonne | Mar 18, 2008 1:28:20 PM
DL said:
"That speech was one of the great moments in American history."
It might be in African American history....he condemns his white grandmother for being racist but embraces/appreciates/honors Wright for being a Liberal racist....STRANGE
Posted by: MattOhio | Mar 18, 2008 1:27:33 PM
For most Americans who were inspired by the speech today... read below to see some of the hold outs from those divisive politics that he spoke of...
I am sure Bill Clinton today saw this speech and thought "...Hmmm, that is the President of the United States standing there and how amazing would it be if he got the...."
"Oh Sorry Hill no I was just daydreaming."
Posted by: dl | Mar 18, 2008 1:17:32 PM
This is the main point is it acceptable for Obama to flat out lie then change his story.
Obama was asked repeatably over and over by the FOX newsman if he was in church when these sermons were given he said NO!!! He was then asked if he was there and heard them would he leave, he again said he was not present.
Now today he comes out and say he was there, he heard them, just like that after lying about it.
After his camp said he was in FL and the Newsmax reporter lied, they said Obama as no where around, another member of his camp also said he was never there when these statements where being made.
Now its another story, why do people accept these outright lies, how many times is he going to change his story? That is a serious problem he is a liar and has been shown to be so, I just dont see how anyone can just ignore this.
Posted by: SJ | Mar 18, 2008 1:15:23 PM
obama puts out pretty words, when his campaign is imploding, in an effort at damage control. his true believers, who never fell out of love, proclaim their love again. his media backers proclaim the second coming of mlk or whatever. nothing has changed there.
what has changed is that those who didn't previously know about obama's "spiritual advisor" and obama's 20 year close relationship with him are finding out. and no pretty words can cover up the ugliness that is there.
Posted by: so saddened | Mar 18, 2008 1:11:46 PM
There's anger in the white and black community. So let's pick a man who likes to use race to his benefit. Brings it up to his benefit and uses it to attack others with charges of racism. Chooses a angry church and preaches of unity. Poor judgement in choice of church while wanting to be President or deliberate choice for political reasons. So sure, lets get a President who uses race as a WEDGE to unite the country; that'll work.
Posted by: Irma | Mar 18, 2008 1:10:25 PM
Not trumped up when the progressive media (several of the Air America folks, e.g.) are questioning the sincerity of Obama's denials that he was ever in the church when Rev. Wright made inflammatory comments. This includes Randi Rhodes, who of late I haven't been able to listen to because of her anti-Hillary rants.
Posted by: shellray | Mar 18, 2008 1:07:35 PM
He brought up Ferraro again, as if her statements are equivalent to those of Wright. Right, "race is benefitting in this election" to "Natalie Holloway basically deserved what she got in return for all the sins of the white man." (paraphrasing)
Posted by: Irma | Mar 18, 2008 1:06:01 PM
You've milked this issue enough, Jake. Turn the page...Get back to real NEWS.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 18, 2008 12:59:32 PM
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