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New Yorker-It is not Hillary ruining the democratic party BUT OBAMA. Hillary has maintained and won most democratic votes, while Obama is pulling in the indies and republican votes in all these stupid open primaries and caucuses. He would not be in this if they were all closed primaries at this point. And now that we see that the popular vote went to Hillary in the Texas election. And Obama is holding a lead in the caucus, we see what a sham caucuses are and how the misrepresent the actual vote. Caucuses are for the cheap states who don't want to pay for primaries.

Sen. Clinton summed up the inevitable conclusion of this race best when she said (in victory after Ohio): "...for anyone who's ever been counted out, but refused to be knocked out..." The analogy is more than fitting, because she was not knocked-out in Ohio, but when you're counted out in the boxing ring, it is a technical knock-out, and...YOU LOSE. Based on the Sen. Obama's insurmountable delegate lead, she WAS counted out. The fight is over.

Rhonda -- that's the problem with you so-called youth voters. You think all you have to do is google or wikipedia something, read a line or two and know the "facts." It's lazy for one thing; kind of like reading Cliff Notes (do you know what those are?) and thinking you can fake a book report on Shakespeare. I work with a bunch of 20-somethings and all they know how to do is tear people down and to look for the flaw or negative in any situation. If they don't like something they express absolute dismay at how anyone else could. Try to set them straight and they just roll their eyes and say "whatEVER." And yet they cry, cry, cry and claim not to understand when one of their own shows up at school with a loaded shotgun and opens fire on them. Of course it's their parents (many of them Obama's age) who bear some responsibility for spoiling them and never having the guts to say no to them (cause you all learned how to call child protective services in kindergarten, didn't you?)Tsk, tsk, tsk.

We all need to get a life and find better things to do with our lives instead of blogging over losers like Hillary and Obama. I will be back one more time after the election to Thank God that McCain will be our new president.

@Rhonda -

You are NOT quoting my post (redcat), you are quoting:

Posted by: Sick of this election | Mar 5, 2008 1:26:18 PM

"Keep going Obama keep alienating yourself and your supporters, its not like his experience (lack thereof) and very shady ties to underground criminals will not be in the headlines everyday from now on."

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I am a supporter of Mr. Obama.

redcat

Every single pundit, analyst, statistician and political strategist points out the futility of the Clinton campaign continuing -- that they simply cannot overcome the delegate deficit to best Sen. Obama's lead going into the convention. Why then is Sen. Clinton forging ahead with a campaign that is either destined to lose or lead to a brokered convention? In the face of certain defeat, supported both by numbers and advice that she cannot win, she is marching on. That Sen. Clinton disregards these facts while beseeching the people to further fund her drive, she more than anyone, echoes the Bush-Cheney mindset. This may well explain why she voted for the war in Iraq and why it is so difficult to take her seriously when she claims she can remedy this failing economy -- for nothing she does, as the theoretical candidate of action over words offers any kind of "solution" to this problem. In fact, her actions that prove she is concerned only with furthering her own political career to the detriment of her party, at the expense of her supporters and in spite of the people. This is a candidate that people believe exercises sound judgment and financial restraint? You must be joking.

The Dems allocation of Delagates is the most un-organized way of doing it, but then again the libs are always that way.

How come Obama wanted polls opened in Ohio in certain areas later that had no issues, but the area that was flodded they gave no extra time. Obama is trying to fix the race, but he says he is above this!!

apointoview - incorrect, do not blame the republicans for your issues, it was the state DNC.

AL - I got to love libs, when the economy is doing great they say nothing and pray it goes bad, when the economy gets a little shaky they blame the republicans. But a little info the economy in its weaken state right now is still better then it was under the Democrats, and by the way it only got weaker when we allowed the libs to take control of Congress!! So the Dems/libs are responsible for the weakened economy, not the Republicans.

Enough of the Obama\Hillary and vice versa talk. It's not going to happen especially with Hillary thinking she would be leading the ticket. On what grounds is her argument that she should lead the ticket. She'll never match Obama's pledge delegate numbers. This was hardly a blowout victory. The Ohio/Texas wins only yielded her a 12+ delegate gain and was from a lot that represents 1/3 of the remaining delegate pool and all she could muster was barely a dent in Obama's lead. Yes she was victorious last night but she didn't put up the numbers that Obama produced during his 12 state tear that received no where near as brouhaha as this so called "comeback". As far as her experience what elected position did she have before becoming New York's Jr senator in 2001 that make's her so eminently more qualified for the presidency than Obama.
First Lady....please?
One thing she has proven is that she couldn't managed a surefire campaign that
carried astronomical leads in just about every state at the start of the campaign season. But yet, here she is smug and pompous as usual and still not getting it. If Obama was in her shoes he would had been asked to drop out of the race after Wisconsin.

Tony You are right. Unfortunately it is hard for people to get out of the cloud of super spin people have been stuck in for 20 years now with the Clintons. Bush won because of the Clintons laying waste to any kind of principle that didn't center around them getting ahead.

I am a democrat and see that it is hard for people to break out of that mindset. The democratic party hasn't had a great candidate in a long time. I have met Senator Obama ( a number of times now) he is not just words. He was the head of the Harvard Law review for chrissake (I know everyone wants to dis the educated for some reason in this race, which is a whole other issue but you don't get to be the head of the Harvard Law review and teach Constitutional Law unless you are smarter than your average senator or first lady).

It's funny when I read people saying the "Obamites are brainwashed"...People are just stuck in that brainwash that has hidden all of those scandals. The right wing conspiracy isn't good enough to come up with all the facts in ALL of those scandals involving the Clintons.

The funny thing is, and I am sorry to say this but this is a couple (because if they weren't running on Bill's background she wouldn't be in this race) who lied to the American people and got caught, disgracing the American system and unfortunately the American people. It is the main reason for the democratic loss in 2000. So my trust of all of these people involved in the scandals being conspirators in ALL of these scandals... just think if they were Republicans what you would say... the chances of all these scandals not having validity are weak.

Yet like I say the blind follow. Barack is not just words read his site notes and plans.

How come no one has mentioned anything yet about the latest national polls that show Senator Clinton ahead of Barack Obama?

Gallup Tracking 03/02 - 03/04
Clinton +4.0

Rasmussen Tracking 03/01 - 03/04
Clinton +5.0

Voters gave a slap on the face to some of the biased media after yesterday's results and still they insist on writing Hillary's obituary. Get real people! She's going all the way to the White House!

redcat, are you serious?

"shady ties to underground criminals"?

Do you know who you are voting for? Perhaps you should do a search on the name Vince Foster in wikipedia or google him. The Clintons wrote the book on dealings with "shady ties to underground criminals". And the people who knew about it, are now dead.

THIS IS THE TIME TO END THE RACE, if the Dems have their eyes on November and avoiding McBush!

Hilary Clinton (a woman scorned) is running an undignified and destructive campaign, and why? Hilary has been PUBLICLY humiliated so many times by her husband and the OTHER WOMEN that she can't care about the Democratic Party.

Hilary Clinton (a woman scorned) will destroy the Democratic Party as a means of exacting vengeance on Bill Clinton and the 'OTHER WOMEN'.

The Clintons are AGAIN (as in 2000) destroying the chances of the Democratic Party; and the spineless officials of the Democratic Party are AGAIN sitting by and watch yet another Dem 'snatching of defeat from the jaws of victory'.

I am an Obama supporter. I absolutely do not support a Hillary/Obama ticket. Despite the lies that you've been fed by the Clinton campaign, she is so far behind in pledged delegates, there is no way she can win unless the democratic party strips the voters of their vote "in the best interest of the people". We all know what the outcome of an election that includes John McCain and a superdelegate- appointed nominee will bring. If you get your head out of the clouds and do the math, she is not the nominee. Every scenario imaginable indicates that she would have to win every state 55% to 45% in order for her to even come close. There is no way she will do that. If you think she will, maybe it's not Obama's supporters who are dreamy and full of hope.

If you're afraid of Obama, you should have your head examined. The person you should be afraid of is Hillary. As Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, etc. were being invested during the Clinton administration, many of the people who had information about the Clintons "misdeeds" came up missing. You need to do some research on the Clintons before you start fearing Obama based on the racist inuendo that you've been fed by the Clinton campaign. Trust me, they have more skeletons in their closets than anybody. Google Vince Foster. Read about Tony Rezko in Wikipedia. Not only did he give money to Obama's campaign. He also gave to the Clinton campaign in the 90s. Do you remember the picture of the Clintons with Tony Rezko in the middle? Do your research.

I win 'big states'. lol
I win 'big states'.
I win 'big states', claims the dismissive, disingenuous, deceptive and divisive Hilary, who refuses to release her tax returns and show another 10,000% return on cattle futures?

From whom did Hilary Clinton wins her so-called 'big states', from Republicans? lol

The astute founding fathers sought to prevent 'big states' from dominating 'small states' in the political discourse.
And so they introduced a political 'Quota System', in which 'big states'/large population or 'small states'/small population EACH HAVE SAME NUMBER OF US SENATORS, say!

Number of US Senators trump state size.
Electoral College Delegates trump popular votes.

Pledge Delegates winnings trump 'big states'.

The Clintons are hell bent on the Democratic Party AGAIN (as in their scandalous 2000) skillfully snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

American people need Justification

David Plouffe sent out this memo today...

The Clinton campaign today maintained that “the vetting of Barack Obama has just begun.” The truth is, more than a year into this campaign, some very simple vetting of Hillary Clinton has yet to start.

In the face of her unwillingness to release her tax returns, Hillary Clinton has made the false case in this campaign that she is more electable because she has been fully vetted. When it comes to her personal finances, Senator Clinton’s refusal to release her taxes returns denies the media and the American people the opportunity to even begin that process. Though her campaign has tried to kick the issue down the road, Democratic voters deserve to know, right now, why it is she is hiding the information in her tax returns from last year.

The Clinton campaign has said that they have released copious amounts of financial information but there are many questions about their private dealings that could be answered in their tax returns but not in the information that is currently available. For example, here are eight pieces of information that could be learned from her tax returns, the accompanying schedules, and attachments:

Effective tax rate – including whether or not any tax shelters were used to reduce it
Amount of income for spouses by source
Amount of stock gains and losses
Gross income for the couple
Amount earned from stock dividends
Amount of household employment taxes paid
Personal exemptions taken
Charitable contributions made
Senator Clinton has also claimed that she is too “busy” to release her tax returns. Given the fact she is able to loan her campaign $5 million, you would think the Clintons would be able to hire an accountant. The reality is that she wants to keep this information hidden from voters. The people of Wyoming, Mississippi, Pennsylvania and the rest of the country should wonder why.

The Clintons’ record on releasing tax returns:

FEBRUARY 2008: Clinton Reiterated That She Would Not Release Her Tax Records Until She Is The Nominee And Not Before Mid-April. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says she won't release her tax returns until she has the Democratic presidential nomination in hand, and not before tax filing time comes in mid-April. "I will release my tax returns," Clinton said during the debate. "I have consistently said I will do that once I become the nominee, or even earlier." Pressed about the timing of releasing her tax returns, campaign aides were more reticent Wednesday, indicating that Clinton would not release the sensitive financial data during a hotly contested primary, but only at tax filing time. [AP, 2/27/08]

JUNE 2007: Clinton Does Not Plan to Release Her Tax Returns Until Next Year. According to the Washington Post, Clinton said through a spokesman that, “like past presidential candidates,” she will “release tax information in the election year.” [Washington Post, 6/19/07]

APRIL 12, 1996: Clinton Released His Tax Returns. President Clinton and his wife earned $316,074 in 1995, including the president's $200,000 salary, according to tax returns released Friday by the White House. The public release of the tax returns, three days before the April 15 filing deadline, shows that Clinton and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton are owed a refund of $5,656 on the $81,093 they paid in taxes, and will apply that refund to their 1996 income taxes. [UPI, 4/12/96]

April 15, 1992: Bill Clinton Made His Tax Returns Public. APRIL 15, 1992: Bill Clinton made his tax returns made public. [Los Angeles Times, 4/16/93]

Bill Clinton Released His Tax Returns In 1992 But Refused To Release Their Tax Returns From Before 1980. During the 1992 campaign, the Clintons claimed to be coming clean by releasing their tax returns from 1980 forward. But they steadfastly refused to release their returns for prior years, and only later did we learn that 1978 and 1979 were the tax years when Mrs. Clinton reported her 10,000% cattle-futures trading profit. [WSJ, 2/22/08]

@Ken,

Nice catch on the poll and its implications.

Here is what is wrong with the picture:

1. CNN poll - do not trust.

2. The Democratic party set 'rules' for Florida and Michigan. If they change their own rules - why would anyone vote for a representative of the Democratic party? 'Obeying the rules' - especially rules that one creates - is rather important. Break the rules - and they were not worth creating - in the first place. Not a good message to send - to Democratic voters - or Americans, in general.

3. "And, that's why Obama supporters are strangely silent this morning, or calling for a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket."

I'm not silent - just a little tired, disgusted by the media, and by Mrs. Clinton's antics.

"The possibility of a brokered convention combined with Senator Clinton's wins has shifted the momentum."

Not for me. If Mrs. Clinton is on the/any ticket - I won't vote for that ticket. I am too old and familiar with her and Bill's tricks to let anyone convince me that she is a good candidate - even Mr. Obama. As I said in an earlier post here - I would not vote for Hillary Clinton - if she were the last Democrat or woman - on earth.

Democratic party leaders should have dealt with this situation long before now. If the party is fractured between Hillary/Bill and Mr. Obama - it is the Democratic party leader's responsibility - and may be to the Republican party's - distinct - advantage - in the fall.

--Hillary using the Military

Hillary involved 20+ MILITARY representatives in her campaign - and no one said a word about that being - WRONG. Are we now supposed to lean on the US military to help decide our candidates? So much for the neutrality of the US military regarding US politics and elections.

Playing by the rules is important - as is - using common sense - especially when it comes down to a discussion between Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama - about Iraq, among other things.

Hillary and Mr. McCain - were and are on the same side about Iraq - and so I would never support either one of those two candidates - as an American citizen.

--Electing a 'woman' is more important than dying US soldiers and Iraqi citizens?

US forces - are dying and stuck in Iraq - and some Americans - just told those soldiers, by their vote for Hillary, that electing a 'woman' - was more important than them dying in Iraq.

Mr. McCain's and Hillary's hands are stained by the blood - of thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens - and thousands of US soldiers. I'm not voting - for any more - of that.

Lives - of innocent Iraqi people and US soldiers - mean something. Every deceased soldier in Iraq - and every deceased Iraqi citizen - will be remembered by this voter. If other Americans want to - forget them - that is on - them.

No Obama-Clinton ticket - for me.

girlinvt, unfortunately just like John Kerry 4 years ago, we know that those states alone are not enough to win the electoral college. Sure Hillary can win the old democratic base, but she can't win a general election.

"We plan on gaining pledged delegates and closing the Obama camp’s lead by the end of the nominating process," the Clinton memo says. "When it comes to pledged delegates, we’ll be competitive."

Close the lead all you want but you will not get as many delegates as Obama has and Clinton will not get the nomination based on delegates. If the “Super Delegates” decide this the black vote will stay home in the general or vote Republican. The “Party Insiders” will not be allowed to steal this from Obama without paying a serious price. The Party has to decide which is more valuable to them. They need to decide if the “blue-collar” white votes or African American, affluent and young white votes are going to lead them to a win in November. It is sad they the only choice they have is to lose African American, young and affluent Loyalties forever not to mention the next generation of voters or go with of what is left of what lost the last two times around.

What did Hillary win last night.Shes won every state you need to win the november race.Also 25% of voters for her have stated in closing polls that they would not vote for him in november but for McCain.If thats not a large light shinning on what shes won than you are blind.