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New Yorker-It is not Hillary ruining the democratic party BUT OBAMA. Hillary has maintained and won most democratic votes, while Obama is pulling in the indies and republican votes in all these stupid open primaries and caucuses. He would not be in this if they were all closed primaries at this point. And now that we see that the popular vote went to Hillary in the Texas election. And Obama is holding a lead in the caucus, we see what a sham caucuses are and how the misrepresent the actual vote. Caucuses are for the cheap states who don't want to pay for primaries.

Sen. Clinton summed up the inevitable conclusion of this race best when she said (in victory after Ohio): "...for anyone who's ever been counted out, but refused to be knocked out..." The analogy is more than fitting, because she was not knocked-out in Ohio, but when you're counted out in the boxing ring, it is a technical knock-out, and...YOU LOSE. Based on the Sen. Obama's insurmountable delegate lead, she WAS counted out. The fight is over.

Rhonda -- that's the problem with you so-called youth voters. You think all you have to do is google or wikipedia something, read a line or two and know the "facts." It's lazy for one thing; kind of like reading Cliff Notes (do you know what those are?) and thinking you can fake a book report on Shakespeare. I work with a bunch of 20-somethings and all they know how to do is tear people down and to look for the flaw or negative in any situation. If they don't like something they express absolute dismay at how anyone else could. Try to set them straight and they just roll their eyes and say "whatEVER." And yet they cry, cry, cry and claim not to understand when one of their own shows up at school with a loaded shotgun and opens fire on them. Of course it's their parents (many of them Obama's age) who bear some responsibility for spoiling them and never having the guts to say no to them (cause you all learned how to call child protective services in kindergarten, didn't you?)Tsk, tsk, tsk.

We all need to get a life and find better things to do with our lives instead of blogging over losers like Hillary and Obama. I will be back one more time after the election to Thank God that McCain will be our new president.

@Rhonda -

You are NOT quoting my post (redcat), you are quoting:

Posted by: Sick of this election | Mar 5, 2008 1:26:18 PM

"Keep going Obama keep alienating yourself and your supporters, its not like his experience (lack thereof) and very shady ties to underground criminals will not be in the headlines everyday from now on."

**

I am a supporter of Mr. Obama.

redcat

Every single pundit, analyst, statistician and political strategist points out the futility of the Clinton campaign continuing -- that they simply cannot overcome the delegate deficit to best Sen. Obama's lead going into the convention. Why then is Sen. Clinton forging ahead with a campaign that is either destined to lose or lead to a brokered convention? In the face of certain defeat, supported both by numbers and advice that she cannot win, she is marching on. That Sen. Clinton disregards these facts while beseeching the people to further fund her drive, she more than anyone, echoes the Bush-Cheney mindset. This may well explain why she voted for the war in Iraq and why it is so difficult to take her seriously when she claims she can remedy this failing economy -- for nothing she does, as the theoretical candidate of action over words offers any kind of "solution" to this problem. In fact, her actions that prove she is concerned only with furthering her own political career to the detriment of her party, at the expense of her supporters and in spite of the people. This is a candidate that people believe exercises sound judgment and financial restraint? You must be joking.

The Dems allocation of Delagates is the most un-organized way of doing it, but then again the libs are always that way.

How come Obama wanted polls opened in Ohio in certain areas later that had no issues, but the area that was flodded they gave no extra time. Obama is trying to fix the race, but he says he is above this!!

apointoview - incorrect, do not blame the republicans for your issues, it was the state DNC.

AL - I got to love libs, when the economy is doing great they say nothing and pray it goes bad, when the economy gets a little shaky they blame the republicans. But a little info the economy in its weaken state right now is still better then it was under the Democrats, and by the way it only got weaker when we allowed the libs to take control of Congress!! So the Dems/libs are responsible for the weakened economy, not the Republicans.

Enough of the Obama\Hillary and vice versa talk. It's not going to happen especially with Hillary thinking she would be leading the ticket. On what grounds is her argument that she should lead the ticket. She'll never match Obama's pledge delegate numbers. This was hardly a blowout victory. The Ohio/Texas wins only yielded her a 12+ delegate gain and was from a lot that represents 1/3 of the remaining delegate pool and all she could muster was barely a dent in Obama's lead. Yes she was victorious last night but she didn't put up the numbers that Obama produced during his 12 state tear that received no where near as brouhaha as this so called "comeback". As far as her experience what elected position did she have before becoming New York's Jr senator in 2001 that make's her so eminently more qualified for the presidency than Obama.
First Lady....please?
One thing she has proven is that she couldn't managed a surefire campaign that
carried astronomical leads in just about every state at the start of the campaign season. But yet, here she is smug and pompous as usual and still not getting it. If Obama was in her shoes he would had been asked to drop out of the race after Wisconsin.

Tony You are right. Unfortunately it is hard for people to get out of the cloud of super spin people have been stuck in for 20 years now with the Clintons. Bush won because of the Clintons laying waste to any kind of principle that didn't center around them getting ahead.

I am a democrat and see that it is hard for people to break out of that mindset. The democratic party hasn't had a great candidate in a long time. I have met Senator Obama ( a number of times now) he is not just words. He was the head of the Harvard Law review for chrissake (I know everyone wants to dis the educated for some reason in this race, which is a whole other issue but you don't get to be the head of the Harvard Law review and teach Constitutional Law unless you are smarter than your average senator or first lady).

It's funny when I read people saying the "Obamites are brainwashed"...People are just stuck in that brainwash that has hidden all of those scandals. The right wing conspiracy isn't good enough to come up with all the facts in ALL of those scandals involving the Clintons.

The funny thing is, and I am sorry to say this but this is a couple (because if they weren't running on Bill's background she wouldn't be in this race) who lied to the American people and got caught, disgracing the American system and unfortunately the American people. It is the main reason for the democratic loss in 2000. So my trust of all of these people involved in the scandals being conspirators in ALL of these scandals... just think if they were Republicans what you would say... the chances of all these scandals not having validity are weak.

Yet like I say the blind follow. Barack is not just words read his site notes and plans.

How come no one has mentioned anything yet about the latest national polls that show Senator Clinton ahead of Barack Obama?

Gallup Tracking 03/02 - 03/04
Clinton +4.0

Rasmussen Tracking 03/01 - 03/04
Clinton +5.0

Voters gave a slap on the face to some of the biased media after yesterday's results and still they insist on writing Hillary's obituary. Get real people! She's going all the way to the White House!

redcat, are you serious?

"shady ties to underground criminals"?

Do you know who you are voting for? Perhaps you should do a search on the name Vince Foster in wikipedia or google him. The Clintons wrote the book on dealings with "shady ties to underground criminals". And the people who knew about it, are now dead.

THIS IS THE TIME TO END THE RACE, if the Dems have their eyes on November and avoiding McBush!

Hilary Clinton (a woman scorned) is running an undignified and destructive campaign, and why? Hilary has been PUBLICLY humiliated so many times by her husband and the OTHER WOMEN that she can't care about the Democratic Party.

Hilary Clinton (a woman scorned) will destroy the Democratic Party as a means of exacting vengeance on Bill Clinton and the 'OTHER WOMEN'.

The Clintons are AGAIN (as in 2000) destroying the chances of the Democratic Party; and the spineless officials of the Democratic Party are AGAIN sitting by and watch yet another Dem 'snatching of defeat from the jaws of victory'.

I am an Obama supporter. I absolutely do not support a Hillary/Obama ticket. Despite the lies that you've been fed by the Clinton campaign, she is so far behind in pledged delegates, there is no way she can win unless the democratic party strips the voters of their vote "in the best interest of the people". We all know what the outcome of an election that includes John McCain and a superdelegate- appointed nominee will bring. If you get your head out of the clouds and do the math, she is not the nominee. Every scenario imaginable indicates that she would have to win every state 55% to 45% in order for her to even come close. There is no way she will do that. If you think she will, maybe it's not Obama's supporters who are dreamy and full of hope.

If you're afraid of Obama, you should have your head examined. The person you should be afraid of is Hillary. As Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, etc. were being invested during the Clinton administration, many of the people who had information about the Clintons "misdeeds" came up missing. You need to do some research on the Clintons before you start fearing Obama based on the racist inuendo that you've been fed by the Clinton campaign. Trust me, they have more skeletons in their closets than anybody. Google Vince Foster. Read about Tony Rezko in Wikipedia. Not only did he give money to Obama's campaign. He also gave to the Clinton campaign in the 90s. Do you remember the picture of the Clintons with Tony Rezko in the middle? Do your research.

I win 'big states'. lol
I win 'big states'.
I win 'big states', claims the dismissive, disingenuous, deceptive and divisive Hilary, who refuses to release her tax returns and show another 10,000% return on cattle futures?

From whom did Hilary Clinton wins her so-called 'big states', from Republicans? lol

The astute founding fathers sought to prevent 'big states' from dominating 'small states' in the political discourse.
And so they introduced a political 'Quota System', in which 'big states'/large population or 'small states'/small population EACH HAVE SAME NUMBER OF US SENATORS, say!

Number of US Senators trump state size.
Electoral College Delegates trump popular votes.

Pledge Delegates winnings trump 'big states'.

The Clintons are hell bent on the Democratic Party AGAIN (as in their scandalous 2000) skillfully snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

American people need Justification

David Plouffe sent out this memo today...

The Clinton campaign today maintained that “the vetting of Barack Obama has just begun.” The truth is, more than a year into this campaign, some very simple vetting of Hillary Clinton has yet to start.

In the face of her unwillingness to release her tax returns, Hillary Clinton has made the false case in this campaign that she is more electable because she has been fully vetted. When it comes to her personal finances, Senator Clinton’s refusal to release her taxes returns denies the media and the American people the opportunity to even begin that process. Though her campaign has tried to kick the issue down the road, Democratic voters deserve to know, right now, why it is she is hiding the information in her tax returns from last year.

The Clinton campaign has said that they have released copious amounts of financial information but there are many questions about their private dealings that could be answered in their tax returns but not in the information that is currently available. For example, here are eight pieces of information that could be learned from her tax returns, the accompanying schedules, and attachments:

Effective tax rate – including whether or not any tax shelters were used to reduce it
Amount of income for spouses by source
Amount of stock gains and losses
Gross income for the couple
Amount earned from stock dividends
Amount of household employment taxes paid
Personal exemptions taken
Charitable contributions made
Senator Clinton has also claimed that she is too “busy” to release her tax returns. Given the fact she is able to loan her campaign $5 million, you would think the Clintons would be able to hire an accountant. The reality is that she wants to keep this information hidden from voters. The people of Wyoming, Mississippi, Pennsylvania and the rest of the country should wonder why.

The Clintons’ record on releasing tax returns:

FEBRUARY 2008: Clinton Reiterated That She Would Not Release Her Tax Records Until She Is The Nominee And Not Before Mid-April. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says she won't release her tax returns until she has the Democratic presidential nomination in hand, and not before tax filing time comes in mid-April. "I will release my tax returns," Clinton said during the debate. "I have consistently said I will do that once I become the nominee, or even earlier." Pressed about the timing of releasing her tax returns, campaign aides were more reticent Wednesday, indicating that Clinton would not release the sensitive financial data during a hotly contested primary, but only at tax filing time. [AP, 2/27/08]

JUNE 2007: Clinton Does Not Plan to Release Her Tax Returns Until Next Year. According to the Washington Post, Clinton said through a spokesman that, “like past presidential candidates,” she will “release tax information in the election year.” [Washington Post, 6/19/07]

APRIL 12, 1996: Clinton Released His Tax Returns. President Clinton and his wife earned $316,074 in 1995, including the president's $200,000 salary, according to tax returns released Friday by the White House. The public release of the tax returns, three days before the April 15 filing deadline, shows that Clinton and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton are owed a refund of $5,656 on the $81,093 they paid in taxes, and will apply that refund to their 1996 income taxes. [UPI, 4/12/96]

April 15, 1992: Bill Clinton Made His Tax Returns Public. APRIL 15, 1992: Bill Clinton made his tax returns made public. [Los Angeles Times, 4/16/93]

Bill Clinton Released His Tax Returns In 1992 But Refused To Release Their Tax Returns From Before 1980. During the 1992 campaign, the Clintons claimed to be coming clean by releasing their tax returns from 1980 forward. But they steadfastly refused to release their returns for prior years, and only later did we learn that 1978 and 1979 were the tax years when Mrs. Clinton reported her 10,000% cattle-futures trading profit. [WSJ, 2/22/08]

@Ken,

Nice catch on the poll and its implications.

Here is what is wrong with the picture:

1. CNN poll - do not trust.

2. The Democratic party set 'rules' for Florida and Michigan. If they change their own rules - why would anyone vote for a representative of the Democratic party? 'Obeying the rules' - especially rules that one creates - is rather important. Break the rules - and they were not worth creating - in the first place. Not a good message to send - to Democratic voters - or Americans, in general.

3. "And, that's why Obama supporters are strangely silent this morning, or calling for a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket."

I'm not silent - just a little tired, disgusted by the media, and by Mrs. Clinton's antics.

"The possibility of a brokered convention combined with Senator Clinton's wins has shifted the momentum."

Not for me. If Mrs. Clinton is on the/any ticket - I won't vote for that ticket. I am too old and familiar with her and Bill's tricks to let anyone convince me that she is a good candidate - even Mr. Obama. As I said in an earlier post here - I would not vote for Hillary Clinton - if she were the last Democrat or woman - on earth.

Democratic party leaders should have dealt with this situation long before now. If the party is fractured between Hillary/Bill and Mr. Obama - it is the Democratic party leader's responsibility - and may be to the Republican party's - distinct - advantage - in the fall.

--Hillary using the Military

Hillary involved 20+ MILITARY representatives in her campaign - and no one said a word about that being - WRONG. Are we now supposed to lean on the US military to help decide our candidates? So much for the neutrality of the US military regarding US politics and elections.

Playing by the rules is important - as is - using common sense - especially when it comes down to a discussion between Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama - about Iraq, among other things.

Hillary and Mr. McCain - were and are on the same side about Iraq - and so I would never support either one of those two candidates - as an American citizen.

--Electing a 'woman' is more important than dying US soldiers and Iraqi citizens?

US forces - are dying and stuck in Iraq - and some Americans - just told those soldiers, by their vote for Hillary, that electing a 'woman' - was more important than them dying in Iraq.

Mr. McCain's and Hillary's hands are stained by the blood - of thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens - and thousands of US soldiers. I'm not voting - for any more - of that.

Lives - of innocent Iraqi people and US soldiers - mean something. Every deceased soldier in Iraq - and every deceased Iraqi citizen - will be remembered by this voter. If other Americans want to - forget them - that is on - them.

No Obama-Clinton ticket - for me.

girlinvt, unfortunately just like John Kerry 4 years ago, we know that those states alone are not enough to win the electoral college. Sure Hillary can win the old democratic base, but she can't win a general election.

"We plan on gaining pledged delegates and closing the Obama camp’s lead by the end of the nominating process," the Clinton memo says. "When it comes to pledged delegates, we’ll be competitive."

Close the lead all you want but you will not get as many delegates as Obama has and Clinton will not get the nomination based on delegates. If the “Super Delegates” decide this the black vote will stay home in the general or vote Republican. The “Party Insiders” will not be allowed to steal this from Obama without paying a serious price. The Party has to decide which is more valuable to them. They need to decide if the “blue-collar” white votes or African American, affluent and young white votes are going to lead them to a win in November. It is sad they the only choice they have is to lose African American, young and affluent Loyalties forever not to mention the next generation of voters or go with of what is left of what lost the last two times around.

What did Hillary win last night.Shes won every state you need to win the november race.Also 25% of voters for her have stated in closing polls that they would not vote for him in november but for McCain.If thats not a large light shinning on what shes won than you are blind.

48 states I agree with you.Howard Dean is a weak fool.The republicans followed the same rules as the dems in Florida except for the major fact they took half the delegates from them and let the voters vote count to keep the party whole.Floridas vote should count and Michigan revote(ANYONE THINK ITS REALLY FOOLISH FOR A CANDIDATE TO REMOVE THIER NAME OR WHAT,THERE WERE CLINTON,BIDEN DODD RICHARDSON ON THE BALLOT).Its the only fair compromise.

One the Canadian goverment did not clear Obama it said it meaning the Canadian gov. did not have anything to do with contacting any candidates.Canada also stated that basiclly they wanted to be left out of it.Sounds like your spinning it to your wants to me.

The media should be very proud of itself. It began blacking out Mr. Obama's speeches and ran story after story - and article after article - on Mrs. Clinton for the 3-4 day period before Tuesday's elections.

The media didn't give much press to the statements made by the Canadian government on Mr. Obama's behalf regarding the NAFTA issue.

Media members also helped to spread the 'Muslim' rumor.

It is the American media - at it's best - proving once again that it is still corrupt, beholden to old business and political ties and pressures - and is still very much interested in selling the American people - not only a war - but an election, as well. Zoogby says that 70% of US citizens don't trust the media. I wonder why?

Mrs. Clinton scared the non-college educated and older voters of Ohio - and that was OK with the media. No or minimal media analysis of where that type of commercial had been used in the past - or why it works against certain types or classes of people.

The Canadian government came out - in a rare move - and defended Mr. Obama aginast Mrs. Clinton's charges about the NAFTA issue. No media blitz to correct the record there - either.

No media blitz about Al-Qa'ida supporters rejecting the idea that Mr. Obama is a Muslim.

No or minimal media attention to anything - that would have supported Mr. Obama and yet Mrs. Clinton - was everywhere. How did that happen?

Mr. Obama was kind in his statements about the media 'buying' Mrs. Clinton's 'lack of media support' line. But, his statements also indicate that he knows that the bias against him in the media exists precisely because the media was astonished at Mr. Obama's ability to capture audience's attention. I'm sure - he'll come up with something - to counter the media's stance and tactics.

But, in the meantime, readers and television viewers should keep count of the number of pro-Obama stories and pro-Clinton stories that appear every day and on the networks and websites that present them. Watch the 'trend' and see if our mainstream media outlets - level the field - or are sitting squarely - in one corner. The media sold us a war in Iraq - and are now trying to sell us - an election, too.

Mr. Obama now has a challenge - and that is very good because we'll get to see how he responds. As Mrs. Clinton continues to play her usual dirty politics - Mr. Obama will hopefully establish his own new game against her.

Hang in, Mr. Obama, and don't take advantage of the old and non-college educated people in the US. 51-48% in Texas is impressive and losing some contests, learning from it, and coming back - is all part of the game.

And thanks to Mr. Gates - for helping to establish the internet. Legions of Americans are using it to end their dependency on mainstream media outlets - and to find out what is really going on in America and the world - and in - this campaign.

The American mainstream media - needs to be voted out of office - along with Mr. Bush.

when are all of you obama people going to wake up.you talk nonsense about republicans voting for hillary look at the exit polls for ohio and texas.registered dems went for her big time in both states so grow up ,if was a general election as of today she would have 263 electoral college votes to his 191 so big states do count,grow up especially if you think by calling us names and hillary that we would back him in november it aint going to happen,though a hillary/obama ticket i would support and that if he learns as he should would give us the white house for 16 years.he needs more experiance and to open up about rezko ,you know 11 apt complexes in his district some without heat in one case for 34 days in jan/feb plese explain to me how he did not know about the tennants mistreatement.if its lack of oversite then he definately needs to sit second fiddle for 8 years.go hillary

Keep dreaming Holmes,

you have a 72 year old man who is out of touch with the young and the middle class

keep dreaming republicans your nominee is a general with no clue about economics or what the middle class wants...

I do detect a sense of panic when I see all the democratic lemmings suggesting that an Obama Clinton pair should come from the convention. During the next few weeks, there will be so much animosity that that possibility seems highly unlikely. Besides, the lemmings don't seem to care much about which candidate leads the ticket. Issues, personalities and shady backgrounds don't seem to matter as the desperation to win at any cost gains momentum.

In the end however, it will be the vast middle who decides the next president. Marrying Obama and Clinton will simply multiply the weaknesses of both and double their negatives.

Happy days for the Republicans as the democrats self-destruct.

It was the republicans who decided on the dates for Florida and Michigan this was not something the democrats created.

I just think the incompetent chicken Howard Dean should have stepped in early and fixed this, but no instead this has turned into a circus show, which is going to lead to Republicans claiming victory in Michigan and Florida. To count out 2 states because of Republicans wrong doing is unbelievable.

The DNC has a weak leader and he should now step in and fix it. To count out 2 states in the convention will cost us the election.

To sit here and talk about virtues and swift boating and being angry about talking heads in the media etc. is going to lead us nowhere, save it for a philosophy class.

There are people right now who can't put food on the table, the rising gas prices, job outsourcing and not to mention the cost of the war.

Instead of sitting and pondering the what could/would/should be FEAR etc join the DNC and declare a joint ticket, so we can help USA get back to being the # 1 country in the world.

If Franklin Delano Roosevelt, John Kennedy, and Adlai Stevenson were nominees chosen by so-called superdelegates of the Democrat Party, what does that say about superdelegates stepping in when no nominee has the required number of delegates? Based upon the presidencies of Roosevelt and Kennedy, they appear to be wise.

Popular vote does not always rule the day. Skewed caucuses are not necessarily a good way to reveal the real will of the citizens. The Electoral College does not really decide the will of the majority f the voters. What do we do with the system? Start with the Democrat Party. Eliminate the caucuses for the National Party, they are a joke. Find some other way to punish states on moving their primary dates. Taking away the citizens' votes does not appear the right way to build a party.

Try some other way of voting, such as giving everyone a form to send in as you would your income tax form. Oh my gosh, that is heresy! The conservatives would say, "That's more big government!"

'THE TICKET'

1) Hillary won core democratic states
2) Obama won red/blue states

3) Obama connects with the young college
crowds and independents

4) Hillary has the older voters women
and male.

5) Both have the core Latino/African
American voters.

6) Together they make a CONVINCING PAIR that could OUT DEBATE/OUTSHINE & OUT SPEND the Republicans and not to mention bring the masses to vote for them.

7) WE CAN BRING CHANGE TO THE WHITE HOUSE WITH THIS TICKET TOGETHER! EITHER ONE ALONE WILL DISAPPEAR IN THE FALL!

This is how we can solidify the democrats by getting the you-tube generation (Obama) with the baby bomers(Hillary) coming together and finish the race with a win in the fall.

I do not buy Hillary's notion when she say: No any candidate has ever won the Presidency without Ohio. She has just won partially Ohio because the other part has voted for Obama. It is not certain the other part are keen to vote for her in Ohio incase she is the nominee.

If Obama gets the nod, then he will not win FL or Michigan because not being counted in the convention will lead to people giving Mccain the votes. Are we going to the convention with 48 states...that does not make sense

So UNITE and kick butt in the fall!!!

The biggest fear from the RNC right now is the monster ticket Hillary and Obama!

There is no way with this ticket we can lose. The old crumbled RNC will fall flat in November and the Democrats will once again occupy the White House.

Go Democrats unite now, and begin preparing the 527 machine against their attack machine

Oh, yes,

The Michigan and Florida delegates.

Consider the following:

CNN POLL QUESTION

Should Florida and Michigan Democrats

*Have their votes counted?...58%

*Not be counted?...25%

*Have new primaries or caucuses?...17%

And, that's why Obama supporters are strangely silent this morning, or calling for a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket.

The possibility of a brokered convention combined with Senator Clinton's wins has shifted the momentum.

Tony, you wrote: "When will we unite? Anybody see that day coming?"

I don't know if you are referring to the Democratic Party or the American people. If the former, I have no doubt that should Sen. Clinton somehow win the nomination that Sen. Obama will be her running mate. That will unite the Democratic Party. If Sen. Obama wins the nomination, he will probably ask Sen. Clinton to be his running mate but she probably will not settle for second seat (she's had that all her life). If she does accept being his running mate, once again that will unite the Democratic Party. BUT if Sen. Clinton does not accept being his running mate, then Sen. Obama would likely select Gov. Bill Richardson. That, in my opinion, would probably be the strongest of the three tickets.

If you are referring to the American people, that is a totally different matter. It will be very difficult for the American people to unite. 30%-40% of the electorate strongly want socialized womb-to-tomb universal health care; wealth redistribution (robbing the wealthy to pay for giveaways to the poor and lower middle class); and raising the white flag on the War on Terror. 30%-40% of the electorate strongly want to continue with privatized medical health care; allowing the people to keep more of their own money; and defeating the terrorists wherever they are (including Iraq). The other 20%-40% are not ideologues and can be swayed based on other factors (i.e., personalities, fear, pocket book and yes even race and gender -- to name a few).

One ideology will win in the general election with the help of the non-ideologues. The question is will the non-ideologues split their vote and make for another cliffhanger? Or will THEY unite behind one candidate?

Al said: "CHANGE we ALL need and that's not with Obama alone nor with Hillary alone.YES together will lead to HOPE we can win in the FALL"

Its time to set aside bias and hatred aside and unite the DNC, Howard Dean can't so its up to the people to help force this ticket no matter what. Obama brings, CHANGE, HOPE, YES we CAN, and Hillary brings the ACTION and SOLUTIONS. So w/o mocking this or degrading the DNC, this is a fact of life together we can ROCK the white house and tear down the republicans 2008!

If the republicans think with the economy in the tank, war in Iraq, gas prices off the charts, housing crisis putting people on the streets, that they have a fighting chance to win in the fall, keep dreaming.

People are fed up with the republicans and the top issues right now is the economy, so far I have not seen the republicans improve in that front.

CHANGE we ALL need and that's not with Obama alone nor with Hillary alone.
YES together will lead to HOPE we can win in the FALL

well with out hillary he can't make it either. so what's your point. He as much as her need each other. If you are a republican trying to make a point that it will never happen...keep watching because it will happen and the republicans will lose.

Hillary/Obama 2008
Obama/Hillary 2008

Either way it's great!
United we can win back the White House in 2008.

People are tired of the Right WING smear machine, people are tired of the same old crap that comes out of the republicans.

YES we can change and we will and its not going to be the republicans who will be doing it in the fall!

IT will be Hillary/Obama, face it RNC you have created a monster ticket that not even you radicals can beat.

Those who are talking about the joint ticket must forget it. I cant see how Obama supporters will vote for Hillary while she is continuing attacking him unnecessary and causing damage to their side. No one is happy of what she is doing. Hillary must understand, without them there is no way she can make it to the White House.

So what we are in this debacle due to liberal incompetence and Howard Dean the even more incompetent DNC chair.

Keep crying Republicans the more you smear the bloggs and make fun of our candidates the more you FEAR us! You know the majority of USA population will cream your candidate and no matter what

the DREAM TICKET will HAPPEN!!

Keep crying because in the fall Mccain and his VP will never beat our TEAM!

After benefiting from the votes of all those Republicans who crossed party lines to support her on orders from Rush Limbaugh and Hugh Hewitt, Hillary Clinton is in no position to argue that "only Dem" votes matter. The rules are the rules, Hillary. You don't get to change them just because you are losing.

As I said earlier,
Bless You Howard Dean and all the well educated liberal elite. Thank you for this wonderful drama. Sometimes real smart is too smart.

Good God people do you read this stuff that gushes from your brain before you post?

I think Obama and Hillary should save all their money and join forces now, to help clobber the republicans in the fall.

Its a mutual parasitic relationship they both need each other and just get over your hatred for the other candidate and learn to set aside your anger to help win the national election

Hillary has won ALL the states the DEMOCRATS MUST WIN TO WIN THE GE. She has THE BEST argument going into the Convention. The party either wants to win, or they don't. If they don't, the Super Delegates will vote for Mr. Hope. If they DO wish to win the GE, the Super Delegates will vote for the ONLY candidate that can win the GE and that is Hillary.

FL and MI will now have to be dealt with, whether Dr. Dean wants to or not.

If Obama gets the nomination, I can't see myself voting for him in the fall. If Hillary gets the nod and she does not put him as a VP, she will never win. He can't wint w/o her no matter how much you toss and turn and hate this, its a reality.
They both need each other to defeat MCCAIN! IF neither one picks each other the DEMOCRATS are DONE!

Hillary Clinton is nothing more than continuation of the Bush/Clinton dynasty--a globalist puppet. She and her husband ran "Poppy" Bush's CIA drug smuggling operation through Mena in the 80s. Between Mena and the OKC cover-up, the blood of many silenced witnesses is on her hands. The Bushes and Clintons vacation together. She is totally blackmailed and controlled and that is why she is being shoved down your throats--to ensure the agenda continues. She will not end the Iraq oil occupation or the fraudulent "war on terror."

As for John McCain: Napalming Vietnamese civilians does not a "war hero" make. Nor does covering up the USS Liberty false-flag attack on his fellow sailors. Nor does supporting the neocon perpetual "war on terror".

Respect yourselves and your Constitution and stop enabling criminals to govern you.

JFK did not want LBJ but they still maintained a civil relationship and became partners.

Don't be so pessimistic

True democrats do not want Obama on the ticket anywhere. We do not want him and Michelle.

Hillary just said in her interview with CBS news look at Drudge that there will or hinted that this race is going to probably be a joint ticket.. SHE JUST SAID IT!

If Hillary and Obama become one ticket, there is nooooooooo way Mccain will EVER win no matter who the VP Mccain choses.

Yes we as democrats can cream the republicans in the fall if we just get together and create one DREAM TICKET!!!

I cant see a joint ticket although I pretty much agree its the only way the dems have a chance to beat McShame. I just dont think either of them can share. Hillary wouldnt want to share the spotlight with someone who is smarter than she is, and Obama wouldnt want to be in bed with Bill. Gawd...who would?

I can't help but notice that the majority of complaints about Hillary are from men. Are you that afraid of having a woman lead our nation? Why is it that when a man has a strong woman behind him he is praised but when a woman has a strong man behind her she is a tyrant and he is really calling the shots? C'mon .... are you that intimidated by us :) :) :) be a sport. Look at qualifications and not gender. Look at character and not race. They are both excellent candidates...Hillary is just stronger in economics and that is what our country needs right now. They will make a kick butt team when they both run on the same ticket...Hillary on top of course :) :) :)

I think its time to unite the ticket and blast off the republicans. Together Hillary and Obama have swept the nation with different demographics and will sweep the presidency. I think obama should be VP and get experience and he would clearly become the next president after Hillary! He will be able to boast his role as VP and nobody would be able to take that away from him. So in the end lets beat the republicans and join one ticket one team and role out the A-team before we ruin the democratic party.

Eat your heart out Karl Rove. Introducing the new comeback kid of slime politics ... Slick Hilly! Republican operatives need not bother to destroy the democratic party when one of our own is doing such a banged up job of bringing it to fruition.

Hillary...Karl Rove, the republican party, Rush Limbaugh and the spirit of Lee Atwater salutes you for your tireless and selfish pursuit of the nomination by a campaign of any wretched mean necessary. They're smacking their lips and crossing their fingers hoping you somehow miraculously pull through and become the nominee(Limbaugh's legions of ditto-heads will assist you). If so, we would had fallen in the trap and November will be theirs because you will had become the catalyst for the greatest mobilization of GOP voters since Reagan. Unfortunately with all the bridges you have burned so far with so many of your party mates during your slime campaign don't expect many of the millions of young new voters to come running to your aid. It's just the way it is. Lets just hope and pray no new high court appointees are necessary in the first term of a McCain administration.

it seems like the more time goes by, the more I hear "If Hillary is the candidate, I'm voting McCain". Are you SERIOUS people???? And I hear it the other way around too "Im voting for McCain if that Obama guy gets the nomination" I mean, I dont like her myself and I wish she would just quit NOW, but...do you REALLY want an antichoice, pro war, anti-healthcare, tax cuts for the wealthy, cut all those social programs President... AGAIN? America is becoming the laughingstock of the world. I really think Obama is the only chance to reverse that image. We're bullies to the world...bullies who reassure ourselves by scaring our own people to death. It IS time for another approach. WAKE UP! Someone told me Lincoln was another young untested junior senator from Illinois and HE managed to end slavery against the wishes of half this country! WAKE UP people or you are going to put McShame into the white house!

Hillary can't win w/o super delegates and neither can OBAMA! so there.

Its going to end up both of them in one ticket. Neither one will win w/o the others support end of story. If Hillary is out they will jump ship to Mccain, if Obama is out they won't vote for Hillary

Quote me come this fall: Its going to be both of them in one TICKET! or nobody will win.

Hey Hillary supporters. guess what Looks like Obama may just win more delagates in Texas after all. He has what a 160-200 del lead. Clinton herself today on all the talk shows admitted she will never catch up to obama in delegates so her plan is to force Michigan and Florida to count and bribe the superdelagtes to her corner. If she tries to steal the election like this there will be such an uproar that she and her sexual predator husband will be forced to retire for good. "No more Bush-Clinton_Bush_Clinton-Jeb Bush_Chelsea. this is never going to end. When are people going to wake up.

When will we unite? Anybody see that day coming?

I checked all the news organizations and they have obama at 120-189 delegate lead. What exactly did Hillary win? Someone on CNN said last night that her plan is not to catch Obama in the delagates or votes but to have the superdelagates decide on her in a back room. You just wait and see folks. This is what the media wants, Hillarys new friend Rush Limbugh and the RNC. I sat with my wife and 2 daughters. They all despise clinton for her negativity and dirty politics. Now lets see her relase those tax returns folks. Theres something damaging there. Republicans are scared of obama because he can put some southern states into play like virginia, north carolina and even south carolina. Wolson needs to be run over by a truck. These people are all crooks and they were scandalous in 1992-2000 and will do that again. Why does the press not rehash some of the now infamous clinton scandals? Mark Rich pardon felon pardons etc.. Wolfson has intimidated the press away from clinton.

Right, but where will all those independants and Dems for a day go in the general election if she wins the democratic nomination. Obama is a phenom. Can Hillary do it with out his supporters. I am considering McCain if Obama doesnt win the dem nom.He was a talked about vice for Kerry in the '04 election.He is a moderate, maverick republican that has disagreed with some Bush policies.If Obama doesnt win all of us , his supporters should consider McCain.America is more than a democratic and republican agenda. It is both and more.

Its hard not to think we democrats screwed ourselves yesterday. Unless Hil and Obama run together, and I dont they are capable of burying the hatchet, I think we just guaranteed a McCain win. No unity among us. Infighting. Really truly sad. I hate the thought of another republican hawk in the White House. McCain scares me on behalf of my 3 kids.

We hear again and again less educated people are mainly voting for Hillary. Why dont you ask and stop messing up. You have now given again the White House to Republicans. Dems need to work wisely in a common goal of winning. At this stage, its not the matter of whom you like. I think Ann Coulter was right who said if Democrats have any brain.........

You are so right the democratic party will lose in November if someone doesn't clean up this mess that Hillary is headlining.I tried to put aside my personal feelings and support her if she did win , but she is vicious.

WAAH ! WAAH! Hey look, Clinton is leading in the popular vote and that includes all the Republicans and Independent Democrats-for-a-day Obama has. See that Superdelegates!