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Are Obama and Clinton Telling the Truth About Iraq Withdrawal?

March 07, 2008 2:06 PM

Before her ouster, Obama foreign policy aide Samantha Power told BBC that the senator's plan for Iraq withdrawal was only a "best case scenario."

Watch it HERE.

STEPHEN SACKUR: So what the American public thinks is a commitment to get combat forces out within sixteen months, isn’t a commitment isn’t it?

POWER: You can’t make a commitment in whatever month we’re in now, in March of 2008 about what circumstances are gonna be like in Jan. 2009. We can’t even tell what Bush is up to in terms of troop pauses and so forth. He will of course not rely upon some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or as a US senator. He will rely upon a plan, an operational plan that he pulls together, in consultation with people who are on the ground, to whom he doesn’t have daily access now as a result of not being the president. So to think, I mean it would be the height of ideology, you know, to sort of say, well I said it therefore I’m going to impose it on whatever reality entreats me –

SACKUR: Ok, so the 16 months is negotiable?

POWER: It’s the best case scenario

SACKUR: It’s the best case scenario

POWER: It is –

SACKUR: And of course in Iraq we’ve never seen best case scenario

POWER: We have never seen best case scenario

SACKUR: So we needn’t necessarily take it seriously at all.

POWER: What we can take seriously is that he will try to get US forces out as quickly and as responsibly as possible. And that’s the best case, estimate of what it would take.

Clinton seized on this today, saying, per ABC News' Eloise Parker, "while Senator Obama campaigns on his plan to end the war, his top advisors tell people abroad that he will not rely on his own plan should he become president. This is the latest example of promising the American people one thing on the campaign trail and telling people in other countries another."

Clinton continued, tying this to the NAFTA controversy (a glass house for her, really).

"We saw this with NAFTA as well," she said. "He has attacked me continuously for having no hard exit date and now we learn that he doesn't have one – in fact he doesn't have a plan at all according to his top foreign policy advisor. He keeps telling people on thing while his campaign tells people abroad something else im not sure what the American people should believe but I would refer you to the BBC interview."

But hold the phone -- the New York Sun's Eli Lake reported this month that an adviser to Clinton -- Gen. Jack Keane (Ret.), also an architect of the "surge" strategy as well as an ABC News consultant -- said "he is convinced Mrs. Clinton would hold off on authorizing a wide-scale immediate withdrawal of American soldiers from Iraq."

Reported Lake: "In an interview over the weekend, a retired four-star general, Jack Keane, said that when he briefed Mrs. Clinton in late 2006 and January 2007 on the counter-offensive strategy known as the surge, she 'generally supported the surge strategy in the sense she wanted it to succeed but she was skeptical about its chances.'"

Lake pointed out that while Keane is not an official adviser to Clinton's campaign -- she asked him to be one, but he declined -- he's worked with her since 2001 when he was chief of staff for the Army.

"'Senator Clinton is very knowledgeable about national security and is probably going to be strong on defense,' he said. 'I have no doubts whatsoever that if she were president in January '09 she would not act irresponsibly and issue orders to conduct an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, regardless of the consequences, and squander the gains that have been made.' Mr. Keane added that he could not imagine any president in the White House making that kind of decision."

Asked about Keane's comments about her versus Power's about Obama, Clinton today said, "He doesn't work for  my campaign, he is not an advisor, he is one of the many military veterans whom I respect whom I am very pleased to have offer advice from time to time. But he is not within the campaign."

The bottom line, in my view?

Power and Keane are two smart people giving their own opinions about what Obama and Clinton might do.

And they're both probably shooting a lot straighter than either of the candidates, who are trying to appease voters who want US troops out of Iraq yesterday.

- jpt

UPDATE: Clinton campaign spox Phil Singer calls to dispute the notion of a Clinton "glass house" on the NAFTA issue, ever-so-helpfully pointing me to this brand new story from Bloomberg News' Theophilos Argitis of a Canadian Press story that an unidentified aide to the Canadian Prime Minister told the Canadian Press that "Senator Hillary Clinton's campaign never briefed the Canadian government on trade issues..."

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obama on the iraq war pullout word for word of the insurgents.Time table so they the insurgent know they are safe from the us forces.Islam politics us president, surely wakeup young people

Posted by: joe | Mar 8, 2008 1:55:17 AM

The only candidate that has promised to end the war is Ron Paul.

Posted by: Tonya | Mar 8, 2008 12:19:49 AM

This is all nonsense.

We know that we cannot pull-out over night under any circumstances and under any administration- no matter if it is the Democracts or Republicans.

It is the intentions, the judgement and the direction of a candidacy that is paramount in the campaign season.

Voting for war (Clinton & McCain) vs. no intentions of pulling out (McCain) vs. pulling out (Obama) are the 3 points of views and most importantly judgements of want is right to do-- we are dealing with.

Posted by: truth | Mar 7, 2008 10:56:37 PM

I think we as American should keep in our minds that all people are equal before God. I moved here seven years ago from africa with my friends . many of them joint the army three years later. now they are in Iraq. we all defend this country regardless of being a black or women. This message is for those who think America is not ready for black or women president. what is wrong with Barack Obama, or Hillary Clinton if any of them qualify he or she can be a president. it is like we all go war whenwar come. why not particular people who said these words fought the wars. that why we think God bless America because a nation without racism is bless by God.
Thank you all fokes, may God keep America bless for every nert generations

Posted by: aluong | Mar 7, 2008 10:45:02 PM

I think we as American should keep in our minds that all people are equal before God. I moved here seven years ago from africa with my friends . many of them joint the army three years later. now they are in Iraq. we all defend this country regardless of being a black or women. This message is for those who think America is not ready for black or women president. what is wrong with Barack Obama, or Hillary Clinton if any of them qualify he or she can be a president. it is like we all go war whenwar come. why not particular people who said these words fought the wars. that why we think God bless America because a nation without racism is bless by God.
Thank you all fokes, may God keep America bless for every nert generations

Posted by: aluong | Mar 7, 2008 10:44:52 PM

Here we go again. You have a candidate in Obama talking tough on an issue of Iraq while his senior adviser is saying to a foreign press, BBC, what will really happen when Obama becomes the president. This is the same thing that happen in Ohio about NAFTA. There is a pattern here that is very troubling.

I believe the Obama camp is relying on Obama being able to give one of those "plagiarized", inspiring speeches to confuse his followers which will make them forget what he had promised in the campaign.

George Bush is a Havard man, so is Obama. These policy advisers are all Havard educated people.

Get the drift?

Posted by: Sam | Mar 7, 2008 10:41:39 PM

Obama's change I just don't get. He has sorounded himself with X-Clinton advisors. He makes a big deal for a little speach he gave on not agreeing with the war, but did not even have the privledge or the responsability to vote. He has also been endorced by everyone that voted for the war like the likes of Ted Kennedy that we all know why he was never albe to even run for Prez, and the looser like Keary who tried to get elected and we all know why he lost..did it have something to do with his war hero status that was not true? How about Lewis who switched and fliped floped from Clinton to Obama becasue Obama is black, for the blacks have enve been threatening others to do the same. (With Friends like this who needs enemies) We really need to admire Stephanie Tubb Jones, wow, what a great lady, her words of loyalty and friendship. Like she said, a Politician only has his/her word and if we can not have loyalty and keep to ones commitment then we have lost. So what change is Obama talking about???

Posted by: nmirand | Mar 7, 2008 10:38:39 PM

A third party of some sort,,would probably be a great relief...The Dems and Repubs could then have someone else to blame for they're failures...someday this country might just have an indepent party,,god knows we need one...

Posted by: SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN THERE | Mar 7, 2008 10:25:08 PM

I'm just looking for curly and larry, so we can gather with the other stooges who think hillary or obama could actually run this country. If either of these two get in office look for America to fall. Go Mccain!!

Posted by: moe | Mar 7, 2008 10:21:33 PM

Regarding the fact there was no nafta meeting between a Clinton aide and Canada--to have run a story saying there had been where there was none is horrible. The press is so quick to get the latest story out there, they don't do any fact checking on their own.

There was one between an Obama aide and Canadian official though--even though Obama intially denied this. At least the press got the facts right for that story, but then to claim Clinton did the same which wasn't true, that's just bad reporting.

Posted by: EmmaC | Mar 7, 2008 10:20:45 PM

when are the american people going to wake up to reality that the usa which i love dearly has lost so many values that my parents and grandparents pocessed and i blame politicians both democratic and republicians im neither political or religious nor liberal or conservative i believe we need a third party in this country and call it the common sense party i tired of hearing these candidates promise this or that do we need some changes of course we do national health insurance ,get out of the war, fair equital tax system that doesnt penalize success,trade system and tort reform that encourages jobs to stay in america ,move toward more indepedence from foreign oil but this requires enviromental consequences,better education in usa is overall dismal its all about whos got the best football team its digusting where our common sense values have gone so who do i think should be president i have yet to see someone with the guts to tell the truth that these are the things we need to do and to be helpful we have to do them all in a reasonable time frame and we all have to be on the same ship or noyhing will ever change

Posted by: jmweaver | Mar 7, 2008 10:13:26 PM

to Ladyvoter;;;and the rest of you,,

Al Qaeda is clearly in Iraq already, and have been in Iraq for some time,(years)..If Sen.Obama would take the time to visit the troops on the ground as both Sen.Clinton has and Sen.McCain have, and actually see whats going on in that country,,then and only then he might realize at what is at stake there..Just look back in time, with our country during the revolutionary war,,France came to our aid to help secure our freedom from british rule..Now its our turn to help those less fortunate in Iraq,,they too need our help in securing they're freedoms..To many Americans have taken "Freedom" for granted..Their is a price to be paid for Freedom,,unfortunately, American,French,German,Canadian,British and the rest of the Nato Alliances are paying that price through the lost of their finest...I have had the Honor of fighting in both Afghanistan and Iraq, with some of the finest fighting men and women of our united forces and that of Nato,,so before you say that I don't know what I'm talking about,,I DO..Freedom isn't Free...
There is alot at stake in Iraq,,and no, it isn't about the oil as some would think..Just think, if either one of the candidates force an immediate pullout,,think about all those people who have helped American & Nato forces,,they would be seen as collaborators,be executed and the country would surely be in turmoil...To think you could just pull troops out is ludicrous at best..and the to re-insert them?? Those that did help us before, wouldn't trust us to help us again..the casualty rate would be two fold in trying to regain lost ground..and we;d be worst off on the second attempt and it would cost the taxpayer that much more....finish the job and lets move on..I think alot of our politicians and Military advisors have learned a valuable lesson here,,,don't bite off more than you can chew and Never underestimate your opponent...take care and may the best candidate win...god bless America....a soldier

Posted by: SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN THERE | Mar 7, 2008 10:07:08 PM

just as we have heard from previous candidates on every issue that has been used in every presdential election for the last 100 years, change, change to what, and how, always be leary of change, this country is in for a rude awakening, maybe a change as such as our founding fathers done to rid itself of the controls of our English brethen, this might be the cleansing we really need.

Posted by: dream on | Mar 7, 2008 10:00:57 PM

Any campaign promise is just an intention based on conditions of the moment. If the Iraqi's were to manage thier country effectively, then we could withdraw our troops. Probably won't happen, even if it does, if Iran were to start acting in an agressive manner, it would be foolish to withdraw troops who could be viewed as a possible reaction force or deterrent. What the dems. really have to worry about with Clinton going negative and dirty (as usual), is alienating the youth vote who may see it as just "politics as usual", and keep in mind that a lot of the independants who voted for Obama only voted for the dems. because they had somebody other than Clinton. Then there is the way Bill tried to inject race, and Hillary's dismissal of the black vote in the southern states. If youths, blacks, and independants leave the dems. in Nov., (especially if they go rep.), then it will really hurt thier chances of winning!

Posted by: Roger | Mar 7, 2008 9:56:01 PM

I AGREE WITH DADDY BEE. AS HILLARY SAID, WE ARE JUST GETTING WARMED UP, THOUGH THE WORDSMITH IS ALREADY SWEATING UNDER THIS LOW HEAT.

Posted by: OZOEMENAM NSUDE | Mar 7, 2008 9:52:41 PM

HEY GUYS, OBAMA CAN RUN BUT SOON HE AINT GONNA HAVE SOMEWHERE TO HIDE. SINCE WORDS MATTER SO DEARLY FOR HIM, WE PRAY WORDS DONT FAIL HIM. FROM ONE BLUNDER TO ANOTHER, IT STILL APPEARS LIKE IT'S MORNING STILL ON THIS DEM CAMPAIGN.AND HRC IS SURE WITH THE MOMENTUM FOR THE FINAL PUUUSH. WHAT'YA THINK GUYS?

Posted by: Daddy Bee | Mar 7, 2008 9:45:53 PM

Somebody called the Democrats liars? Republicans have told more lies than any previous administration, count them! How many, just on Iraq alone? And they were big ones, like Iraq will pay for the war, weapons of mass destruction, terrorists will invade America...how? An ocean divides us! They have no Navy! No airplanes! Think about it. As for Bill Clinton, he did a great job! So what if he lied about sex. What man hasn't? Bush has lied about so many things, important things, it's incredible.

Posted by: Steve Wimer | Mar 7, 2008 9:21:58 PM

General Keane is incorrect about Hillary Clinton's ability to act responsibly when it comes to the military and international affairs. Her actions in regards to Iraq was a real world test of her ability to act responsibly and she failed - miserably.

Posted by: Louis Lorenzi-Prince | Mar 7, 2008 8:59:46 PM

Mr. Obama tells us how much words matter. Now he is saying that words do not matter. He says that he is against Nafta tells the Canadians he is not. Says that he will get us out of Iraq in 16 mo. Now says that he is not sure if he can do it. Says that he wants a positive campaign but waites almost 24 hours before he does anything about it. When asked about it today instead of repeating his pledge to fire anyone engaged in such activity he says I am not going to get caught up in a knife fight. It appears that words do matter and most of all it matters if you keep your word and over the past few days sadly we have come to see that his word can't be trusted!

Posted by: russell | Mar 7, 2008 8:52:31 PM

America doesn't need a black president neither a woman president. America needs a President to stay in Iraq untill it is possible to leave, to punch Iran when neccesary, to leave economy to its own path, to resist changes too fast occurance. It is a hard job. The old McCain could stand it though people wouldn't like it at all. Obama (don't call him Osama - note, the Am crowds are as easy agitatable as muslim crowds) and Hillary aren't good to withstand crowds humm.

Posted by: joseph a kliger | Mar 7, 2008 8:46:59 PM

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