Political Punch

After hearing Obama's pastor speak about white people today, I can't see how he could possibly bring this country together, especially with the "racists" attacks his campaign is already using on people who have fought their entire political careers for equality. He will lose in the general election. Obama is destroying our chance for "change" from the Republican agenda. I hope people wake up in time to realize that HIllary is the best person for the job. She can beat McCain!

Once again, the Democrats will self destruct. I can see McCain winning and you know, we deserve everything we get or don't get. Hillary has worked very hard to get where she has gotten, unfortunately she is too much of a politician and for a woman that is unforgivable. Obama is very charismatic and very well organized, otherwise he would not be where he is now, but it's hard to project whether voting for him will be a good idea or it will be another ineffectual leader such as GWB for whom people voted because he was very nice and just like one of us. I, for one, being a Florida voter disenfranchised from the primary by the Democratic will not vote for either one of these two losers who will lose us the opportunity to get the White House. It will be almost a relief to leave the cleanup to another Republic - one for whom I will not vote either.

Good God woman. What a deceitful lie. You never even apologized, let alone REJECTED her statement until basically a couple of days after it was made. Then you slide the word "reject" into some LOCAL news network interview. That doesn't do a thing. Why not come out on the major networks immediately and say you rejected her racist remark when she made it.

What a piece of work. You are back to "nice" Hillary for a day or two after your surrogate did her job. I'm guessing it is about time for Bill and Chelsea to attend another black church service too. We are definitely moving into another bi-polar psycho Hillary phase.

Pennsylvania voters, I know you have to recognize what is going on by now. We managed to fight her off pretty well on the popular vote in Texas. I hope you will finish the job in Pennsylvania.

Please don't fall for her NAFTA story. The Canadian government came out and stated Obama's representative DID NOT convey in anyway something different than he stated in public.

The Canadian governement DID SAY A CLINTON SUPPORTER CONTACTED THEM AND INDICATED THEY SHOULD TAKE ANY STATEMENTS ABOUT US PULLING OUT OF NAFTA WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

The Canadians were not very happy to have been interjected into our ridiculous squabbles. Chalk up an enemy for Hillary before day one.

S.Valenti...not that I know a lot about Obama's time back in college... but I do know that he is credited for bringing in new writers to the review...bringing in women who had not been heard from in those circles from other parts of the country.

It is even referred to in several publications as "the Obama Effect"

so I don't know about a couple of sentences he wrote about boasting of his parents in college...who knows you might be right but I do know ...his skills when he ran the review were considered extraordinary for any President/Editor. He changed the circle of communication going on in the law articles... and maybe THAT is why he got to right the book ...and his cool background.

Interesting comment Jack. One problem, BHO is not running as bi-racial, he is running as a black man. Anyone ever heard him mention the white mother that raised him?

Back in January when Senator Kennedy endorsed Seator Obama, he said "Through Barack, I believe we will move beyond the politics of fear and personal destruction and unite our country with the politics of common purpose."

That was before the Clintons introduced the politics of fear and personal destruction into the race......but whatdaya know. Did he predict the future, or is it that he just knows Barack's political opponent all too well?

ms fery dont know what she is talking about and pls dont confuse people for nothing. how ms fery will react if obama was her causin??? Obama is white and black he is not 100% black or 100% white he 50/50 it is why america is trying to come togheter thruh him to redefine the new directions for the common good. the party need the unity right now not senseless comment.
thanks

I don't see why people found Ferraro's comments so objectionable. the point is that Obama's gotten outsize attention ever since he became the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review. That led to a book contract. How many white law review editors have gotten book contracts while still in Law school for a memoir. And, in 2004 had he been a white STATE Senator, he wouldn't have been selected for the keynote address at the Democratic Convention. So, her comments ar reasonable and unlike Obama's people, she didn't resort to name calling.

Another thing, has anyone ever read the stories printed at the time of Obama's election to the Law Review (early 90's and available on the web)? He gave his father a promotion to "Finance Minister" of Kenya (he was a bureaucrat) and called his mother an anthropologist (instead of a ditzy woman who abandoned her family to pursue relationships with men. What kind of character/insecurity does it reveal for an adult - surrounded at the time by wealth and prestige to try to invent a "persona" rather than be authentic. He has a big problem with authenticity.

I don't see why people found Ferraro's comments so objectionable. the point is that Obama's gotten outsize attention ever since he became the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review. That led to a book contract. How many white law review editors have gotten book contracts while still in Law school for a memoir. And, in 2004 had he been a white STATE Senator, he wouldn't have been selected for the keynote address at the Democratic Convention. So, her comments ar reasonable and unlike Obama's people, she didn't resort to name calling.

Another thing, has anyone ever read the stories printed at the time of Obama's election to the Law Review (early 90's and available on the web)? He gave his father a promotion to "Finance Minister" of Kenya (he was a bureaucrat) and called his mother an anthropologist (instead of a ditzy woman who abandoned her family to pursue relationships with men. What kind of character/insecurity does it reveal for an adult - surrounded at the time by wealth and prestige to try to invent a "persona" rather than be authentic. He has a big problem with authenticity.

Her statements are the statements of uncensored ravings of a bigot - or yet another example of the Clinton campaign playing the race card and then saying "who, me"? Comments like Ms. Ferraro's play into the fears and resentments of some lower-income white voters - the same voters who just so happen to be Sen. Clinton's strongest voting bloc.

Still, are her statements the uncensored ravings of a bigot - or yet Another example of the Clinton campaign playing the race card and then saying "who, me"? Comments like Ms. Ferraro's play into the fears and resentments of some Lower-Income less educated white voters - the same voters who just so happen to be Sen. Clinton's strongest voting bloc.
Mrs. Clinton should be LUCKY she was married to an ex-president or she would not be where she is. This statement should be laughed at, and women everywhere should be embarrased.

This whole Ferraro gambit is obviously deliberate on the part of the Clintons. It does what they've been trying to do since Iowa: Marginalize Obama as the "Jesse Jackson" candidate. Unfortunately for the Clintons, they've done it too late, and Obama will win the nomination.
Unfortunately for the Democrats, the Clintons have damaged Obama through the hateful "Obama's just where he is because he's black" and the ridiculous "McCain passes the commander-in-chief threshold and Obama doesn't" arguments.
It should be clear to all by now that the Clintons' only remaining objective is to destroy Obama so they can run in 2012. They will not catch him in the popular vote - even if Michigan and Florida were to be counted - and they won't catch him in the number of pledged delegates either. The only way they can win is to somehow manage to convince enough superdelegates to overturn the will of the party, which is a dubious proposition at best.
The only chance of salvaging the general election is for party elders - Gore, Pelosi, Edwards - to come forward and note what everyone is slowly beginning to realize, that the Clintons lost and every day they stay in the contest further reduces Obama's chances in November. The Clintons will not quit on their own volition.

I will not vote for Hillary in the fall. If she is the candidate, I will not vote in the Presidential election. I am a life long democrat, but I am appalled at her response to Geraldine Ferraro's comments.

Ms. Ferraro has to go. Aside from the fact that she is just plainly wrong, her response to the consequences of her own words is dumbfounding to me. To blame the split in our great party on the other side is nothing short of ridiculous. It's her fault, she made the comment, she needs to go.

Hillary has always been a role model for me. As a midwestern kid, I actually applauded her efforts in the 90s at Health Care reform. However, her drive to be president has clouded her judgement to the point that she no longer is following her own ethical compass.

Perhaps Ms. Ferraro can explain to Hillary how being Bill's wife is the only reason she is a strong, capable candidate. If you read this sentence and reject it, you have to reject the idea that 'if Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.' If you don't, your a hypocrite.

Why does the electorate think it is racist to mention the elephant in the room? BHO is black(half) and 90% of the black voters are voting for him...never happened prior for any group or politician. So, one would think it bears discussion. It is not happening with the white, asian or hispanic voters, or the male and female groups. Have to wonder why.

Hillary takes the "high road"? Hillary can say what ever she will..but the DAMAGE has been done..Ferraro's purpose, just as she works as a Union BUSTER lobbyist..she is the AXE woman for Clinton..that's why she's called "super delegate" I guess...Hillary thinks its SUPER to run a TRIANGULATED (Clinton style)racist campaign for the rednecks who buy into that crap. Ferraro did her job..set the tone and hopefully will experience a backlash from the America that yearns for CHANGE!.GO OBAMA..yes we can...!

DC Voter your comparisons between resumes (not sure which article you that comment was on)...is funny...

First of all I agree she has more years than he does... because ...well she has more years.

But it is more important what they did with those years.(remember this is the guy that left being the President of the Harvard Law Review - if you don't know - that means he could have written his ticket anywhere - but went back to help factoy workers in Chicago and focus on being a Civil Rights lawyer...oh and teach constitutional law.)

If you measure them proportionally Sen. Obama kicks butt... there is no way of denying that (but I am sure people will...it's all about spin).

Yes she was a lawyer for 16 years much longer than he... and I encourage everyone to look at those 16 years as a lawyer.

...Hillary has a longer resume because she has a longer life. and John McCain has an even longer life...

The differences in experience and how you weight their differing types, between Sen Clinton's and Sen Obama's experience, when you put it up against John McCain is not big enough to use that as the reason to pick the candidate. This is a bad trap to fall into.

Whomever you think has the most quality and choice experience ... it is miniscule when you put it next to John McCain's very long resume.

This is not some political spin I am trying here...

Look...
By setting up this argument to have in the primary (and Hillary has to do that she loses on the other arguments) you are setting up the argument for the general election...

I believe she loses even this one but more importantly...

The argument in the fall has to be on judgement and fixing the main problem in Washington which IS (in my opinion and I think most everyone would agree) the use of fear and log jamming in congress to put us in the situation we are in...

If it is on who will protect us, who has the most experience, and not on judgement ...and the race was between John McCain and Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama...who do you think the American people are going to pick?

Get on the judgement issue and stop feeding into the argument they want to have. ...and get away from the fear card...Republicans win that too.

All Sen. Clinton has said since that comment sounds like bla bla bla. Sen. Obama fired Ms. Powers and Clinton was happy with that. I guess the same standard is not expected to apply to the loud mouths in her camp. Just imaging if the comment was made by someone in the Obama camp. I guess you know what will happen.

I should also say that the guys at the Daily Show again took in lots of the statistics and came up with similar numbers and a map to mine.

The numbers I came up with based off 5 different sites including the NYTimes, the DNC's numbers, and some of the general numbers from the last three presidential elections...

Show very strongly how Obama is the candidate that has by far the best chance of not only winning but expanding the party.

I am not alone with those numbers MSNBC has similar numbers to mine.

..and actually my numbers got picked up and checked by Newsweek. They emailed me asking for my credentials ...and I told them I was just a film guy in NH.

...but they are going to credit me.

she rejects her statement. but does she reject her support? like she forced obama to reject the support of his surrogates! if she does? will she return her funds that she contributed to the campaign?

Keep it Obama the sound you are hearing is women stampeding to the polls for Hillary in Pa. This Ferraro thing cuts both ways and what he doesn't want is to make more middle aged white women mad. I think they will drop this when they take a look at the latest polling showing Hillary up 19 in Pa.(Survey USA). This race baiting works in Mississippi but not in PA.

I think America is Afraid for Race.

Scared

That in itself says a lot.

There fore American Needs to Wake up.

Mr Obama becomes presidency, Any while American out there, will be called racist, and can be arrested and jailed
for making any kind of comment That can be twisted, misconstrued and directed as racist.

Are you Prepared for that, Because It is going to Be extremely High in this presidency.

Just Disagreeing with him, even if you have the facts, will be taken as you are doing so because he is black.

I put obama in the same category as mr bush, are far as ability to be a president.

Mr Obama has used himself as being black to get votes. Mr Obama has campaign at many churches, using his religion to get votes. More than his abilities, and his record.

He has proven he and black people will, make racist a major part of government, life, and making policies, and that it will be used against anyone when needed to discredit anyone, or get their way.

So in trying to be honest and fair and prove you believe in civil rights you have voted for him. Be Prepared for what is to come.

You are entrusting your country and your future in these hands. Fully aware of all the lies he has been catch in.

This is extremely important, nothing to be taken lightly, and nor for a cause.

It is odd to me that whenever there is a need to really turn out black voters Obama plays the racial indignation card. In conjunction with South Carolina, it was Bill Clinton's "fairy tale" remark and others. In Mississippi it was resurrecting the photo of him in African garb and Ferraro's speculation. It seems pretty clear that Obama feels he needs to pull this card in situations where there are large numbers of African-American voters who need to be pulled to the polls. Obama knows nothing pulls African-Americans to the polls like racial indignation, even if it is misplaced rage against longtime believers like Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro.

Bottom line is Obama was successful in distracting voters from NAFTA gate and his campaign teams disasters and 3 AM ads.

Now, we know the Obama's strategy by looking at following pattern:
Remember the controversy created during SC by Sharpton and the folks about "Fairy Tale". In Mississippi, he tried very hard to introduce the photo controversy, digging up last year's Clintons remark but got an opportunity when Ferraro made the comment( which I think was fair comment).

Now, we understand that he is no different from his peer politician even if Obama, his campaign and biased analysts says he is different.

CORRECTION: My original comments needed to be directed to "HONEST", and not "Deep Release". My apologies.

Larry, I agree with you.

To "Deep Release": I am a supporter of Hillary Clinton. That being said, above all else, I am a democrat. And being a democrat, I will support WHICHEVER candidate wins the nomination, be it Clinton OR Obama. If you were a real democrat, you would realize that the only way to truly defeat the Republicans in the election is to rally around the nominated candidate -- uniting the party. You don't sound like a true democrat, but more of a "woman hater", who states that no one who votes for Obama would EVER vote for Clinton in a general election, but would rather vote for McCain. Shame on you "Deep Release" for your unintelligent ravings, gender hatred and ignorance.

For all you Clinton supporters who think she will beat McCain....57% of voter 1992 and 51% in 1996 simply could not vote for Bill. The only reason he was elected in the first place was because Perot siphoned votes from Bush. Do you really think folks are now more willing to vote Hillary? Do not equate anti-Bush with pro-Hillary or even pro-Democrat. Hillary will drive liberal Republicans and Independents like myself away..

I find it amazing that Geraldine Ferraro would state that Obama is in the position he is simply because he is black. After all, she was an obscure congress-woman before Walter Mondale decided to make her his running mate. Was she chosen simply because she was a woman and Mondale wanted to make some history? Stupid comments by a woman who should know better.

Of course she was, even she admits that, but this is comparing apples to oranges and to debate said point concedes that they both got to where they are for reasons other than their strengths as leaders. She however, was chosen by one man as part of a political strategy. Senator Obama has been chosen by a majority of voters in the democratic primaries. To say that he is where he is because he is black, goes back to the Clinton campaign saying that all Obama supporters are somehow delusional. It's not only insulting to Obama but to the majority of voters and caucus goers in the nation.

So everyone now thinks Geraldine Ferraro was just MERELY stating the obvious....and how innocent this all must seem.

She made the very SAME comment regarding Obama, that she made back in 1984 about Jesse Jackson....someone please tell me, what is her INTENT by making this statement?

We're here in 2008, 24 years later, and she is making the EXACT same statement with a different candidate who just also happens to be black??? Why? And then we're not supposed to glean any hint of racism from the outdated statement? We're supposed to be stupid and not understand code words or phrases or sentences?!

C'mon Geraldine, you can do better than that!

Maritza, It has turned off this white middle-aged male Independent voter as well. Most folks outside of core Democrats see the Clintons for what they are.

Well no that we have a 6 Week Break....

Show US the Money - Hillary Tax forms - April 15th...

I find it amazing that Geraldine Ferraro would state that Obama is in the position he is simply because he is black. After all, she was an obscure congress-woman before Walter Mondale decided to make her his running mate. Was she chosen simply because she was a woman and Mondale wanted to make some history? Stupid comments by a woman who should know better.

Please read Obama's secrets in tis week's Enquirer. The Republican chairman is quoted. The picture of Obama's dress came out in the Enquirer.
Obama blamed Hillary. According to Rezkowatch this is only the beginning. The London Times have been doing article after article on Obama's connection to Rezko, Mahdi-Auchi, & Alsamarre. The Rezko trial is starting with local corruption and it is going international.

Ferraro is right.. Barack wouldn't be in this position if he was a white man!... As a candidate that has sparked the American People in this fashion, he would be the nominee already and this would be done.

Hillaby 'wants this campaign to be about the issues'?

Racism isn't an issue?

She does agree that is why she took so long,her stupid husband started this ages ago and she get stupid people like her to carry this on so they can not be blamed .Gads wake up this woman will do ANYTHING to get into the White House but what she doesn't know that all us who voted for Obama will NOT be voting for her so you have another 4 years of a REP and between the two Mc Caim don't look so bad compared to her.

Why does the media let themselves get played in this way? Don't they know that, while it may not always work (South Carolina) nothing coming out of the Clinton campaign isn't scripted. You would think that a seasoned reporter would have had the forsight to treat this statment for what it was, a ruse by the Clintons to infuse race into the race while having plausible deniability. I'm not saying that it's not a story, but if you make a note of it but don't report it. How many other reporters would she have made the same racist comments to. If the Clintons want to run a racist campaign don't allow these marginalized players to do so. If ignored would gerry had stepped up the racist campaign? ..and if she did, couldn't they then just report it for what it is, a Clinton campaign strategy.

Reverse Racism at its finest surfaces in the Obama campaign's accusations regarding Geraldine Ferraro's remarks.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position."

Simply confronting the facts presented in exit voter polls showing huge (9 to 1 in Mississippi) voter preference of Obama by black voters validates the statement. White support for Obama was signficantly lower as it has been in other state primaries.

"He happens to be very lucky to be who he is."

Actually, fortunate would be a better choice than lucky, but being half black and half white allows Obama better odds when playing on the fears of both races.

"And the country is caught up in the concept."

Obviously, non-white and women voters are not as racially motivated in voter choice for as their exit poll numbers indicate.

The Obama campaign and the candidate himself have been quick to play the race card at will when it serves their purpose.

Senator Obama should move quickly to reject and denounce the race baiting and sexism that has been promoted by his campaign.

To do anything less suggests political motivation based on false implications derived from tactics rooted in fear mongering.

People are talking about Florida. Have we forgotten Elian Gonzales who's mum died in the sea in trying to give him the opportunity to live the american dream. Do we remeber who has brought Elian back to Cuba under guns and security guards at 2:00 am. Obama has the moral responsibility to help people to remember that Elian's misfortune is part of the 35 years of Hillary's experience. Florida for Obama 08

It seems that Geraldine has been practicing her reality based racism for a long time. Please see below for her 1988 really racist comments:

"If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race," she said.

Really. The cite is an April 15, 1988 Washington Post story (byline: Howard Kurtz), available only on Nexis.

Here's the full context:

Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don't ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his "radical" views, "if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."

Asked about this at a campaign stop in Buffalo, Jackson at first seemed ready to pounce fiercely on his critics. But then he stopped, took a breath, and said quietly, "Millions of Americans have a point of view different from" Ferraro's.

Discussing the same point in Washington, Jackson said, "We campaigned across the South . . . without a single catcall or boo. It was not until we got North to New York that we began to hear this from Koch, President Reagan and then Mrs. Ferraro . . . . Some people are making hysteria while I'm making history."

Obama rejects Farrakhna but still attends the church that supports him.

Powers quit

Wake up!

Please investigate:
Rezko
Farrakhan
Muslim father
Canadian ties
Where did his name come from. Kansas mother?
It is really scary.

The polls taken say that hillary gets the less educated voters. these posts are proof of that

I am convinced more than ever that Hillary Clinton is going to DESTROY the Democratic party.

She is set to destroy Obama to get the nomination which in the end she will be destroying herself.

This continued race card playing has totally turned off the African-American vote for Hillary as well as many others.

Shame on you Hillary!

"...If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."

-Geraldine Ferraro

After seeing the video of Sally Kern's seriously anti-gay hate speech, I wonder of McCain will reject her words and if the RNC will tell her to be quiet until after the election at least. LOL She was so out there on the tip of the right wing it was sickening.

i actually know some Republicans who are working to elect Obama...sincerely, not as a ploy However, I know very few Hillary people. Guess it's not my demographic.

Actually, half the voters participating in the democratic primaries want Obama to get the nom and the other half wants Clinton to get the nom. I dont think many of them care about what Rush Limbaugh wants. LOL

But you bring out an interesting point. "Voters participating in the democratic primaries" includes Indies and Reps. However, 9% of Reps have been voting for Obama and no one really knows about the indies. What we do know is the core majority of the dem party loyal voters support Clinton and that only the fringe liberal dem loyalists support Obama. Some of us, like myself, are simply anti-Republican this year and want to see the most electable candidate get the nom to have the greatest chance to beat McCain. IMHO, detailed analyses show Clinton is the most electable and the polls are now starting to support that as voters are shifting in public opinion. Rush Limbaugh is over-inflating his importance if he thinks he is personally affecting the election on a national level.

Funny, so many people here agree with Rush Limbaugh about the importance of HRC getting the nomination. Who'd have thunk it?

ok LOM no worries... but I do think people who are educated about the political processes (like these primaries and caucuses) do play a role in discussing and sharing how the numbers work. It is not enough to grow the electorate without educating them on how to: actively participate, find sources of information, and understand what the sources are telling them.

I spoke to many new voters in TX (not young ones) that I personally have lobbied to participate in the process for the first time in their lives. I didnt just try to sell them on my choice. I encouraged them to participate online and learn. They felt comfort in learning, participating, and asking questions anonymously. Now my phone rings like crazy because they are so excited they want to discuss politics. You never know who you might be helping online... the end result just might be a more united country.

Well, thanks for the interesting dialogue everyone. Tomorrow is another day and I look forward to seeing the sun rise from the West...

WestCoastMessenger: thank you for addressing my concerns rather than making a personal attack. You're a textbook representative of the Clinton campaign.

Hillary Clinton doesn't care about the American people -- she cares only about Hillary Clinton. The Republicans have this thing locked up thanks to her new strategy of negative campaigning. The moral of the story for our kids: if you can't win on the substantive issues (as we saw before the negative campaign began), you should resort to name-calling, fear-mongering, and making up completely absurd claims to win at any cost. The only "win" here is for the Republicans. Thanks Hillary for another 4 years of Bush in the White House!

WestCoastMessenger: "... They re-position their interests ..." they do. That's you last hope, I guess. As I said earlier, keep dreaming and have a wonderful dream. You know, like, you become her running mate. Who knows, politicians re-position themselves all the time.

Hey, maybe sun will rise from the west tomorrow?

I'm not delusional. Clearly, neither candidate has 2,025 yet else this race would be over. Again, the process is such that pledged delegates and unpledged delegates are calculated in the total. She may currently be behind in the pledged delegate count, but it is possible for her to still win once the pledged delegates are tallied. So, to reiterate this again, it's less about math and more about following the process in place for nominating a candidate.

And thanks for the personal insult--it makes your arguments that much more compelling and you definitely come across as having far superior intelligence.

Interesting Newsweek poll done March 5-6, registered voters were asked to rank GE's between each dem candidate and McCain:

Clinton 48% McCain 46% Other/Unsure 6%

Obama 46% McCain 45% Other/Unsure 9%

The other part of the poll is the statistical dead heat between the dems:

Obama 45% Clinton 44% Other/Unsure 11%

I swear is it that some of these Obama supporters just don't know how this thing works, over and over they are told that supers do not have to stay with any candidate and that is the reason they are given that post.

They can all sit and look at different out come in this race and decide what or who they feel will give them a win, this is not a game people the DNC wants the WH they are not going to put anyone that they feel cant deliver this to them, and to put it simpler they are not going to run the risk of having Clinton supporters turn on them.

Do you guys honestly feel they don't know this party needs some major damage control, you feel they are not aware of what is going on, geez grow up this thing is bigger then some silly math count or who is winning a few silly states that does not matter in the long run.

"Carlaj",
Sounds like you've been getting your dose of the "Daily Kos" mafia. There are sprinters, in this case OBAMA, and there are marathoners, that would be CLINTON and MCCAIN. You figure it out.

Hey "Catiger",
Got your claws out. Let me ask, did you ever hear of a thing called a politician? They re-position their interests ALL THE TIME. It's all about making the sweetest deal possible at the end of the day. Why do you think the masses of them are still silent?

What happened to the "50-state strategy"? Seems like Clinton is only gunning for 15. To her, this isn't the United States of America, it's the United "5-Most-Populous" States of America, as she has continuously (and fallaciously) alleged. Living in one of the other 45 states, I find her strategy patently offensive, undemocratic, and against everything this country stands for. She can cherry-pick her way to the election all she wants, but in representing only 5 states, she will NEVER represent the people.

For being a self-proclaimed "fighter", she sures does concede easily when she is behind in the polls: see SC, WY, MS, WI, etc. Obama, on the other hand, consistently comes back from 20-30 point deficits to either win or knock the lead within 5. Who's the REAL fighter in this campaign? For those who can't count at home (see: exit polls that show uneducated people flocking to Hillary), that's 30 wins for Obama, 14 for Hillary "Only My Home State and CA Count" Clinton.

DCV, I was referring to Sam's post. Sorry. Trust me, I have about three monster, ahem, large spreadsheets I've been tracking. I love doing math and analysis, but I wouldn't want to lead anyone on that I'm educated and a Clinton supporter.

My opposition to the math assignment posed by the Obama supporters is that are blatantly disregarding a long-established process and the person who has the most pledged delegates doesn't automatically win (unless it exceeds the 2,024 threshold). This election is going to rely on the traditional role of superdelegates and so there are some folks here who need to lay off the math lessons.

"FactChecker",
HILLARY CLINTON has made it clear that she's not interested in pursuing racial divides in this race. It is not a viable strategy to consider. We can discuss it and analyze it, but at the end of the day its about issues.

alma makes my case very clear....there is no way the HRC supporters will feel a need to back BHO after those sorts of tirades.

"Alma",
What's up with the emotional attack? Can you provide some specifics if you are trying to convince me to vote for John McCain.

"LOM",
Yeah, you're still right on that point. It's easy to get sucked into arguments about the math. Given the increase in crumble rate coming out of the inside of the OBAMA campaign this week, with increasing friendly fire casualties, this thing may be a wrap sooner than we all think. HILLARY's handling her cases with finesse.

LOM apparently you havent been keeping up or missed some posts. WestCoastMessenger, myself, and others have made it clear that the SDs will decide the outcome. However, we like to bounce the numbers and analyze as we debate. You never know if you are speaking to a voter who has yet to cast a vote.

Hillary is an angry cheater and lier. She will makes us loose the election against McCain. She rather have her way than the country's. It is disgusting and sad.

Oh and on more than one site, I saw the numbers use the TX voter tally twice (once for Clinton win in primary and once for Obama win in caucus). Stupid mistake misleading the voters. LOL... I am sure they have a disclaimer somewhere and hope that was within the margin of error.

Again with the math thing? The only math you need to worry about is how many superdelegates will be pledging their support for Senator Clinton which will tally up to at least 2,025. If you don't like the rules, then you shouldn't play.

ABC News numbers have been the most consistent and reliable that I've tracked on. OBAMA is currently up by 100K. Pennsylvania will leave that number in the dust, and after Florida it will be a distant memory, an asterik in the annals of elections.

I checked RCP numbers against the actual numbers from the individual SOS's... they are not in agreement. From what I understand, all the voter tallies are not complete yet is the only explanation. I have seen some of the MSM sites use percentages to "extrapolate" voter turnouts to caucus contests and make errors. My guess is that accounts for the disparity in some of the MSM sites and also that some of them use the MI and FL numbers differently. The national popular vote appears too close to call for either candidate but the state popular votes are clearly defined.

"Sam",
Welcome back. You keep bringing up the popular vote. Sounds like you are starting to worry about that situation?

DCVoter,
As usual you nailed it. I noticed a huge shift in the MSM this past week when Newsweek informed the world that the race between Obama and Clinton was now a statistical dead heat. This seems to have more import on the press than any voting outcomes. Public sentiment, come the convention, will win the day. If HRC is ahead in the national polls even 5 points, and holds the popular vote, those Supers will move with her. I'm fairly certain that the Pennsylvania-Florida combo will deliver the knockout punch.

All the talk about popular vote so I went to Real Clear Politics and checked the popular vote. INCLUDING MI & FL but without adding in the extra one hundred and fifty thousand from Mississippi tonight it stands at:
Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* - 13,852,273 47.5% 13,774,963 47.3% Obama +77,310 +0.2%
Obama still has the popular vote when you add those 2 states in.......again it is all in the math.

Thanks, SJ, exactly where I was going...The truely divisive/mean-spirited comments this primary are from the BHO supporters trashing HRC. After such a venomous barrage of hate how can those supporters think we will run to their camp eager to join hands now, for the common good?

A democratic process is one that allows a secret ballot with the possibility of 100% participation. Caucuses are not secret ballot and disenfranchise many voters. While the DNC is stupid enough to allow them, they are smart enough to have SD's to offset the disparity