Clinton Assails Obama & McCain on Iraq

I am reading these posts...and came to a realization. Hillary Clinton has attacked Obama about his advisors statement that he would consult with his advisors when becoming president and not totally rely on his plan to withdrawl troops from iraq. She is condemning him for this. I for one think that it is a very logical very smart thing...Obama does not assume that his views are the only views that are correct, he has stated that he will listen to all of his advisors and make the best judgement at that time. He will get the troops out of iraq. Ok...now Hillary is stating that her plan to get the troops out is right (is she stating that she will not listen to her advisors and make adjustments to her plan) she has been known to do this before with her health plan. she has this attitude that her plans her ideas are right and if someone questions them they are wrong and she "fights". I am not looking for a president that will "fight" everyone, I need a president that is willing to listen to everyone and make well informed decisions, agreeing that he may not always have the best answers and is willing to listen to all of the facts before reacting before "fighting". I think that was the problem witht the Bush admistration, the reacted they wanted to "fight" without looking at all of the facts without listening to all of the information...Do we want another "fighter" just like Bush?

Obama 08

Except Hopespring52, the pastor was right and those who Hillary listened to were wrong. And she is still wrong in blaming Iraq's puppet government for not performing for the master who attacked, destroyed and occupied their country. Again, she is simply passing off blame. Iraq is-was one of the oldest civilizations in the world--how long has the US been on the block by comparison? A couple of weeks? The Iraqis can take care of themselves--surely better than our alternative, the question is would we allow it?

Rose : Hmm, I don't know Rezko that much? I only did 5 hours of paper work? What an honest 50 years old politician!

Regardless of which candidate I favor,
this is a pathetic article.

If either Obama or Clinton is elected, I fear their flawed foreign policy will result in a total failure for the Iraqi people. Do they not remember the lessons from Vietnam? After the Paris Peace Accord and ceasefire in 1973, the US failure on our promise to support the govt of South Vietnam, led to its defeat and dissolution in 1975. This is what happens when you just leave. Regardless of all the wrong reasons for why the war in Iraq was started, we must stablize Iraq before pulling out. We owe it to the Iraqi people, and to our US soliders so their deaths are not in vain. Looks like McCain is the only one that understands this.

Well..this is quite a balanced and non-biased analysis of the speech. (sarcasm intended)

Seriously, if Obama wants to make Iraq/judgement his core argument, he is going to have to come up with a better reasoning than one speech. And is going to have to explain how with all his superior judgement claims he still considers Rezko a friend and knew nothing of the radical views of his pastor of 20 yrs. if he can't judge the people with whom he has had long standing relationships with, how should he be trusted to make accurate judgements of people he meets with on the international stage.

Hey Commander Guy,
I'm totally comfortable with her position of cutting off that flow of money as soon as its feasible. I'm more worried about the $10 trillion dollar overall debt that the Republican Party leadership has saddled us with. Do you remember a President named Clinton, what was the budget deficit. Oh, yes, it's coming back to me. ZERO.

I can't believe that she's managed to convince folks that she was duped into supporting the war on Iraq, that President Bush managed to convince them that going to war was the right thing.

SHE DIDN'T READ the INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE.
The single biggest decision over the last 5 years and she didn't READ the &^%**# ESTIMATE. How brain dead can one get?

Clinton demonstrates what we don't want or don't need in a president for these times:
One that has no moral or ethical qualms about operating out of the Bush-Rove playbook.

We don't need another lying dirty administration as our face in the world.

Hillary made her judgment about authorizing force against Iraq if inspections failed based on the reports of the president, the vice president, the CIA, the intelligence community, Colin Powell and the State Department etc. My fear is that Obama made his decision to oppose authorization based on the sermons of Pastor Wright. Over the long run, I'll take a president who listens to the advice of American officials rather than Pastor Wright.

Experience does matter, Just compare what the first and second Bush did.

Goodgrace,
Oh, you are going to play the my-credentials-are-better-than-your-credentials game. BTW, I'm definitely no fan of Limbaugh, but you would paint me that way because I don't buy the Zunes koolaid without ever having the guy vetted for even a moment. Of course, YOU say so so it MUST be TRUE. How are you to judge my accuracy in comparison with the professor, whom you've pre-designated as some type of arch angel. Hey, used to play baseball with Thomas Philpott, now there's some real credentials.

Jay: Stop distorting her words, when did she say she does not need advice while her actual words are "too dependent on advisers". Why should we elect a president who has no clue about what is going on, and just say whatever his advisers asked him to say, and do whatever his advisers ask him to do?

Westie

You say you're comfortable with Hillary's position on supporting the Irak war.

Are you comfortable with the 3 Trillion Dollars that former Clinton Administration Officials say its gonna cost?

I don't have to guess if Hillary is ready to lead. She will lead us just like Bush has. We will get only the information from a Hillary Presidency that supports her views. We will not get the whole truth.

Be carefull America. We are making history every day. The question is, what kind of history do you want to make?

CBA,
I was for the war before I was against it. So was approximately 50 per cent of all Americans. We base our decisions on available information. We're not SPECIAL like you with some kind of superior informaton source. Gimme a break.

"War!" Clinton and McCain cried.
And the dollar died.

"War!" Both Clinton and McCain said.
Now the dollar's dead.

"War!" to the congress they yelled.
Now the economy's gone to hell.

You can't spend billions of dollars a week on a war and expect your economy to thrive. Why didn't they have the judgment to just say "no"?

Why does Hillary have Sandy Berger as a Foreign Policy Adviser?
He's a caught crook. He stole papers for the Clintons.

How many Hillary earmarks benefit the military-industrial complex.

If it will hurt Hillary politically to get us out of Iraq, she will not do it.

Hillary says she does not need advicers to make decisions. That is the damdest thing to say. Why does the president have advisers because he does not think he knows everything. Is that why she voted for the war without reading the INE report.

Clinton, like a majority of the Congress and the nation, was duped by Bush and entertained the notion of using force "if inspections failed". She was duped by Bush. I was duped by Bush. Even Saddam's generals believed Bush and not Saddam about the WMDs. I believe that based on the bogus evidence that was presented to the Congress by Bush, she voted the right way. It was unimaginable and disgraceful that a president of the U.S. would misrepresent the facts and basis for going to war so blatantly. Even Colin Powell was utilized to pull off the sham. The question is what do you do from here. She has a clear, strong plan. Obama says one thing to voters, and his top foreign policy advisor says he'll really do another.