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Clinton-backer McGovern: Harder to Elect a Woman Than a Black Man
March 25, 2008 5:00 PM
Sen. George McGovern, D-SD -- whose endorsement of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, you may recall we broke here on this blog -- seemed to indicate to the AP in a story that just hopped onto the wires that he thinks Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has a better chance of getting the Democratic presidential nomination than Clinton.
Why?
Because, said the 1972 Democratic presidential nominee, "I have a feeling that in this country where we're at today in our thinking, it's going to be harder to elect a woman than to elect a black man...I wish that
weren't true ... I'd love to see Hillary as president."
McGovern says some men he's spoken with say that a woman isn't ready for the responsibility.
"Some guy will say, 'Well, I think that's too big a job for a woman, I don't think she can handle those terrorists,"' he said. "I think we've never had a woman so well qualified that's on the national scene."
- jpt
March 25, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (119)
George McGovern had two major problems which the American Voters correctly perceived: (1) He betrayed his own Vice Presidential Nominee when the going got rough (discovery of a history of treatment for mental illness with electroshock therapy), (2) He betrayed his Country and especially its soldiers when the going got rough.
McGovern is so far out of it that he thinks Hillary and Obama are fine people and candidates. Hillary is quite unwell mentally (Now AND in the past) as well as being a Communist; Obama is simply a Communist.
Posted by: bbjr | Mar 27, 2008 10:25:32 PM
Choosing a President is a very important decision. The world has shown that women can and do lead... and do it effectively. There are many examples of this. The criteria used to pick a presidential canididate should be character, judgment, decision making, experience, honesty, trustworthiness & leadership. While I see some of these qualities in all three canididates, Sen. Clinton being a woman has nothing to do with it. Nor do I think men have "complete ownership" over these qualities. Sen. Clinton's problem is she has poor character, she... to her own admission, has been untruthful, and most people according to a recent poll don't see her as being trustworthly. If Condelica Rice was running as the republician presidential canididate, I would strongly support her canididacy. Sen. Clinton quite honestly has poor character and that's the problem most have with her, not because she is a women
Posted by: Bruce | Mar 27, 2008 7:59:27 AM
There must be lots of uneducated people on this board. It refects in the sexism.
Women who are sexist are into self hatred. I have little patience for women who are self hating.
If you won't vote for Hillary then you are sexist.
All you are left with are your pre-conceived notions that have nothing to do with Senator Clinton. That's sad.
Posted by: Lou | Mar 27, 2008 2:09:58 AM
McGovern is a fat headed loser. He is jealous of the Clintons. He wishes he was as smart and as popular. He's a one term president voted in by the first time youth voters of the Viet-Nam era. Who cares what he says.
McGovern go away. I thought you were passed on already. Seems you've come back from the dead.
McGovern is really voicing this as his own secret opinion. McGovern is from the old boys network in an era that was way before womens lib. Of course he would say this about a woman for president. He is inherently sexist by proxy. I wouldn't expect him to respond in any other way. He is from the day when women were "personal property". What do you expect him to say?
Posted by: Lou | Mar 27, 2008 2:00:12 AM
A woman not being able to handle terrorists? Show me one woman who is not sly, sneaky and conniving. When they get mad everyone gets out of the way. Plus they have this uncanny sixth sense. Call it woman's intuition. I don't know how they do it but they are always reading peoples minds.
Hillary is way past the hormonal influence so she will be a wise and cunning opponent. I think we are seeing it already. As Obama says-Hillary is a formidable oponent.
It time for a woman to lead. The "take over by force" hasn't worked at all so far and a woman may be the touch that is needed for our country to get back it's standing in the world.
Besides, she will not be going it alone like Bush is. She knows what she's doing. Trust her. Why can't we just get off the broken record of gender and race and look at things the way we should? Is it possible?
Posted by: Lou | Mar 27, 2008 1:47:41 AM
druggstohr:
Don't wait for Obama!
I'll say it! McGovern's comments were
racist in nature!
Why is it that all of Clinton's surrogates including her husband bring up Obama's race instead of pointing out policy differences etc!
Everybody knows he's black, so what!
He has never implied or said that people
should vote for him because of his race!
How about debating the issues instead of pointing out the obvious, that one candidate is black and the other is a woman!
Posted by: reaganfan | Mar 27, 2008 1:00:38 AM
WestCoastMessinger:
No it took the arrogant Hillary Clinton
surrogates to show their racist nature!
Bill Clinton started the ball rolling after Obama cleaned her clock in
South Carolina when he first injected race into the campaign!
Then it was Ed Rendell in Pennsylvania,
Geraldine Ferraro and now
George McGovern!
Posted by: reaganfan | Mar 27, 2008 12:47:47 AM
It is not that a woman couldn't win the presidency.It is that woman can not win the presidency. She has just too many problems. People know that she is a liar, win at any costs, she doesn't play nicely with others, She doesn't mind blowing her constituents by race baiting. How will she be accepted by world leaders? They all see what a lying person she is. Its over for her.
Posted by: Lauenpow | Mar 26, 2008 10:15:25 PM
Clinton-backer McGovern: Harder to Elect a Woman Than a Black Man
It is only harder on Clinton Because people know her and don't want her and her scandalous husband in the white house she is a pathological liar. Thats why she can not win and will not win
Posted by: Lauenpow | Mar 26, 2008 10:07:31 PM
Phsychology has it that women generally think less of themselves in soceity. That is why the most people critical of a woman candidacy are women.
They do not have a high opinion about themselves.
The most hatred expressed in this bloggersphere are women. It' almost like self hatred. Sad.
Posted by: SO1 | Mar 26, 2008 8:57:29 PM
I am not voting for a liar/hypocrite like Hillary Rodham Clinton. I want a woman president. But she in particular is not good for America. Watch the Hilllary Clinton:the movie and the Clinton Chronicles.
Posted by: Susan | Mar 26, 2008 8:17:10 PM
I am not voting for a hypocrite/liar like BHO.
Posted by: Indus | Mar 26, 2008 1:09:16 PM
All of McGovern's children and all of McGovern's grandchildren are supporting Obama. 'Nuff said.
Posted by: Tom J | Mar 26, 2008 12:53:03 PM
Hypocrisy is the best word to describe the 20 years of Obama, known as "the best candidate to unite our country", listening the words of hate from Mr Wright and contributing for his church. Our children don't need these teachings; they need to learn words of tolerance and love - this is just my opinion. We are in different times, and we are exposed in our daily lives to live in a more populous and diversified country with different races and cultures(this is fact). Reverend word is such a big word and is not for everyone. "The most memorable and perhaps most inspiring speech given by one of our century's greatest civil rights leaders and orators."Reverend" is for Martin Luther King Jr., a man who really made a difference, and that is the kind words and preaching we need to spread "tolerance" and “respect” (my opinion). I am proud to be an American, where I walk in the streets, and I see all kind different people passing by “free” to express their believes and their religions. Mr. Wright has his right to express his believes; and I have mine to walk way and not to listen to him. I would like to see Mr Obama had done the same, once he decided he is going to be a "public representative" to all the people from this nation.
Posted by: Lucia | Mar 26, 2008 11:49:05 AM
Good Lord, all you female worshipers are making me sick. I'm a w/woman over during the really tough times for women. But, this line of support that WE MUST VOTE FOR HILLARY BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN is pathetic. I guess that is all you have left since Hilary's fairy tale experience has been exposed for what it was...a lie.
I don't care what body parts or skin color our next President has as long as that President is honest, has character, is a leader as well as a negotiator, and breathes life into the dying Democratic old-school party we currently have. I want a President not tied to the purse strings of huge money special interest groups and lobbists. I want a President who will act AND listen.
That pretty much eliminates your desperate, bitter, venom spewing, polarizing, burn Rome, lying female God now doesn't it. We are talking about the President of the United States for God's sake. Who wants that kind of a person as President? The answer is obvious to me.
I'm no theologian, but I accept the many many comments that Wright was an honored one...so much so Billy Boy invited him to the White House when he cried to all those ministers "I HAVE SINNED". I can accept that Obama should not be crucified because of some soundbites of his old preacher who has retired from the church. I cannot accept that Richardson is Judas. I believe that religion should play no part in politics.
You want us to think Hillary just misspoke about Bosnia. She lied. Hillary DID SAY THOSE LIES, several times and as recently as March 17 with her little shamrock scarf draped around her neck. We have people who served, died and were injured in Bosnia...not for her and Chelsea's photo op but for that 8 year old little girl who lived under sniper fire for real.
Now let's elect a real Commander-In-Chief and start solving the very real and complex problems this nation has. It will require a president that will not act or lash out in anger, one with many skill sets, intellect, temperment, and one who will be a very strong negotiator.
Posted by: Female Voter | Mar 26, 2008 11:30:09 AM
I have talked to a lot of men mostly in their forties or fifties who said that they feel Clinton would be a better president but they voted for Obama because they ust can't vote for a woman as president, so in some ways I think he's right atleast for the older men.
Posted by: Kardasia_Prime | Mar 26, 2008 11:26:32 AM
"Last week, Dean Snyder, the senior minister at the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C. -- which the Clintons famously attended while in the White House -- released a little noticed statement offering a sympathetic defense of the totality of Wright's work."
And so a perfect example of why Senator Clinton stated that "Wright would not be my pastor." She attends churches where the pastor is forgiving as pastors should be, welcoming, inclusive, reasonable, and sane; not a "crazy old uncle."
A church anyone would be proud to attend.
Posted by: AHoban | Mar 26, 2008 11:26:13 AM
McGovern's view overlooks the massive turnout by women eager to elect the first female President.
And as to terrorists, etc., - last I looked, they are mostly male - time to send a woman against them! I don't see our male "leaders" taking down al-Qaeda and bin Laden.
Posted by: Martin | Mar 26, 2008 11:01:25 AM
No George McGovern it is harder, almost impossible, to elect a far left liberal like Obama over a moderate like Clinton. George knows that better than anyone.
Posted by: geevill | Mar 26, 2008 10:43:10 AM
FOR ALL THOSE FOLKS WHO KEEP ASKING WHY HAS OBAMA SAT IN THE RACIST CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS; HAVE YOU LISTENDED TO PASTOR WRIGHTS|"S LAST 20 YEAR'S OF SERMONS BEFORE HE RETIRED??!!! I KNOW THE CLINTN'S DIDN'T!! I MEAN, HERE IS THIS "RABID RACE-BAITER" BEING INVITED TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO PRAY FOR POOR BILLY DURING HIS TIME OF NEED?? IF HE WAS SUCH A "LIGHTENING ROD" HOW DID HE GET INTO THE WHITE HOUSE TO PRAY FOR BILLY; I MEAN SOMEBODY MUST OF THOUGHT HE WAS RESPECTABLE ENOUGH TO MERIT THE WHITE HOUSE PHOTO OPPORTUNITY FOR BILLY-BOY!! FOR THOSE THAT OUR GENIUINELY CONCERNED; IT'S OKAY TO HAVE THE QUESTION, BUT PLEASE RESEARCH THE LAST 20 YEARS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT PASTOR WRIGHT HAS A LONG AND RESPECTED HISTORY; NOT THE HISTORY OF THE LUNATIC FRINGE YOU NOW WANT TO ASSIGN TO HIM FOR MAKING SEVERAL INCENDIARY REMARKS. BY THE WAY; HAVE YOU HEARD THE ENTIRE 9-11 SPEECH?? FOR THOSE AGAIN WHO ARE GENUINELY INTERESTED PLEASE LISTEN; ALTHOUGH I DISAGREE WITH HIM; IT IS INDEED PROVOCATIVE. ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THE AIDS - REMARK IS VALID; I DO ALSO KNOW THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAD PREVIOUSLY EXPERIMENTED ON BLACK MEN W/ SYPHLISS INJECTIONS!! SOUNDS HARD TO BELIEVE; BUT THAT DID INDEED HAPPEN...
Posted by: AGBI | Mar 26, 2008 10:35:57 AM
JR; Independent,
Here's the proof how laughable you and so many other are: Hillary's former pastor Dean Snyder vehemently defends Jeremiah Wright and calls him an 'outstanding church leader'.
Last week, Dean Snyder, the senior minister at the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C. -- which the Clintons famously attended while in the White House -- released a little noticed statement offering a sympathetic defense of the totality of Wright's work.
"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," Snyder wrote. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."
Posted by: justice | Mar 26, 2008 8:51:02 AM
Many of those who call Obama and his pastor racist are them selves racist and evil.They fear of their own evil and judgement.When the truth is spoken there is always a reaction.How many white pastors condemned the 9/11 and even thought it is due americans sins?several.cleans e your heart from evil and deceit
Posted by: krist | Mar 26, 2008 8:03:45 AM
The Hate monngers at work, cant help but flap their lips, or in this case their fingers on a keyboard. Hehe... Hillery thought she was entitled to the Presidency but when she sit back and let a black man beat her, all beats are off. I guess you could say, Are you sure Hillary that you are still a Democrat. You are a too far behind, a day late and a dollor short of any chance of winning this election, ao now you want to steal the election at the Convention. That will only cause a riot, if you think people will sit back ant let you do that, you better get ready for John McCain to be the next President
Posted by: Nate Franklin | Mar 26, 2008 7:34:43 AM
That is true
Plus the media has helped Obama every step of the way.
Not exploiting his ever so many lies. His misleading and manipulation of the media, people and others.
Whether it is because he is a man, because he is a Great speaker, or Because he Whines and cries for sympathy so often. Or because he is black.
It is not on His merit, honor or knowledge, His honestly, dedication to America or American people.
Mr Obama has put down every government official From the president down. pointing fingers, blaming people for everything wrong under the heavens.
Funny that him being a Senator himself, thinks he is free from any of the blame he is passing around.
Oh wait, his claim to fame, he voted present on most issues or bills. Not doing anything for the people but also so he could say I didn't do anything, it is all their fault.
Of course he fails to realize, Negligence is worse than anything. Showing up for the job to just be paid is worse. Above all his lies and misleading the people is adding to his shame.
He is a poor excuse as a senator and have been, since he was elected for the job. So he is not ready or merits or deserves a more serious job for the government.
Posted by: seah | Mar 26, 2008 6:38:53 AM
Yes, I agree partially with Sen. George McGovern's, D-SD statement. Mrs. Cliton would make a great president during times of peace. However in this turbulent moment of our history where we are fighting two wars , I dont think she can keep the country safe. Security trumps the economy in my opinion and it is a major factor we require from a President. Therefore, the country and for that matter the world is not ready for the leader of the free world to be a female. I am a woman and wont vote for Hillary because of the global political climate we are facing at this moment. Both Obama and McCain will provide the safety and protection as well as leadership we seek in a President druing these troubled times.
Posted by: Habon | Mar 26, 2008 6:26:22 AM
Yes, this campaign proved women have yet to achieve even a pretence of equality. That a man as inexperienced and under qualified, as Senator Obama could be doing as well as he appears to be doing in delegates, against the talent and skill Ms Clinton has proves it. But, of course, he is being brought to us all by the same media that brought GWB and the war.
Posted by: Athena | Mar 26, 2008 3:27:21 AM
The press seems to pick on Hillary and yet give Obama a free pass. The nit-picking about the Bosnia trip is an example. It WAS A WAR ZONE. SHE FEARED FOR HER LIFE. Maybe she exagerated the danger in her imagination. In any case she WAS THERE. Obama lies CONSTANTLY and makes excuses for his racist preacher, and all the press ever says is,"WASN'T HIS SPEACH JUST WONDERFUL?" Can the Women of this country have a little EQUALITY for a change? The press should be ashamed of itself for the daily battering it gives the first woman candidate for president! What message are we sending our daughters? Women in the press should be trying to bring balanced reporting into the mix instead of just jumping on the "TRASH HILLARY" BANDWAGON!
Sue in L.A.
Posted by: Sue | Mar 26, 2008 3:20:25 AM
Senator Obama, make sure you show lot of respect to President Hillary or President John McCain during State Of the Union address.
Be a good boy and go home to Rev. Wright's pagan house.
Posted by: Roger Miller | Mar 26, 2008 2:50:03 AM
Obama did not win one big state. He won states that will vote red in November.
Take away his caucus wins and red states and all he has is Illinois.
I think he should step down and let Hillary choose a smart candidate as her VP.
Posted by: Roger Miller | Mar 26, 2008 2:44:08 AM
the posts i read here and otherwise sadden me so. nothing but hatred. this is what the great "uniter" has wrought. and he has purposely done so, because he knew that to gain his own objectives he would have to do this. and he cares about nothing and noone other than himself. and yes, i mean obama.
Posted by: so saddened | Mar 26, 2008 2:30:09 AM
MARIE
Certainly your list is impressive. It seems to me you forgot the recently elected president of Argentina......
But only mentioning the most positively
impressive on the intenational scene:.....
GOLDA MEIR, INDIRA GANDHI, MARGARET THATCHER....
All of them not making any use of their Gender to be elected, relying on their own merits (not on the of their husbands), honest, straight forward and
not indulging in demogorery, none of them a feminist Men were willing to vote for them, even more then women.
Unfortunately, Hillary does comply with very few if any of these Parameters.
And by the way: men are entitled to and shell refuse to vote for a FEMINIST WOMAN, as well as women to repeal a "MACHIST" MAN !!
TOM
Posted by: TOM WITTMANN | Mar 26, 2008 2:27:13 AM
Superdelegates,
How can it be that the Clintons were secret rascists and Joe McCarthy types for over the last quarter century and it took the extremely brilliant Obama campaign types like Axelrod to expose this. We have never heard these kinds of claims before the Obama election. Axelrod must be absolutely brilliant, even smarter than Karl Rove to be able to sniff this out. Or is he? Hmmmm, seems like an interesting coincidence o
me.
Please keep this in mind when planning your vote. Do we want the likes of Axelrod running this country?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 26, 2008 1:31:59 AM
Where have all the Obama signs gone?
Long time passing....
Posted by: The 60s | Mar 26, 2008 12:51:26 AM
Yes she can!
But she won't.
He will.
Thank God.
Posted by: Jeanine | Mar 25, 2008 11:53:48 PM
Interferon, you are so right!!! I just logged on and have a hard time believing this. It is pathological. What the heck is this phenomenon? Does a man who preaches conciliation, and change somehow breed this? If so, how?
Posted by: marie | Mar 25, 2008 11:48:50 PM
Mike in Texas,
So where's the sniper fire, the ducking, the running etc. in that story then?
Would you seriously like to deny that Clinton is a liar (NAFTA, Bosnia) in this campaign?
Are you old and wise enough to vote?
Posted by: Greg | Mar 25, 2008 11:47:46 PM
For nearly 20 years, Hillary Clinton has been encased in the apparatus of political celebrity. Look at her schedule as first lady and ever since. Think of the thousands of staged events, the tens of thousands of times she has pretended to be delighted to see someone she doesn’t know, the hundreds of thousands times she has recited empty clichés and exhortatory banalities, the millions of photos she has posed for in which she is supposed to appear empathetic or tough, the billions of politically opportune half-truths that have bounced around her head.
No wonder the Clinton campaign feels impersonal. It’s like a machine for the production of politics. It plows ahead from event to event following its own iron logic. The only question is whether Clinton herself can step outside the apparatus long enough to turn it off and withdraw voluntarily or whether she will force the rest of her party to intervene and jam the gears.
Posted by: Truth | Mar 25, 2008 11:41:56 PM
Well, yeah, right now it is easier to elect a black man than a woman when the woman is a soulless, pandering liar.
At least McGovern got one thing right...
Posted by: mg2 | Mar 25, 2008 11:24:44 PM
I agree with Sen. McGovern...it is easier for a black man to be elected president than a woman. This is especially true when the black man has won more states, more delegates, and more of the popular vote in the primary election.
Posted by: Camron Gorguinpour | Mar 25, 2008 10:40:49 PM
Hillary has NEVER and NOWHERE been under sniper fire.
Think of that when you reflect on her 'mistake'.
So there's no confusion here; these are the plain lies or sick fantasies of a woman who has in a top elite bubble for most of her adult life and who therefore has lost her plain of truth and reality.
That's the last type of woman I ever would like see addressed as 'Madame President'.
It's simply dangerous to have such a pathological liar with an hysterical fantasy as Commmander in Chief.
I'd prefer Cheney over her.
Posted by: Grego | Mar 25, 2008 10:21:01 PM
Hillary to serve the country should be in the Senate right now promoting her ideas to solve the subprime crisis. Barack Obama should be in contest with McCain, NOT defending the democractic party '08 nomination against Hillary who was Not READY ON DAY ONE at IOWA. She lost at IOWA--Hillary and her supporters really need to "get real" now.
Posted by: Victoria | Mar 25, 2008 10:15:21 PM
Is it possible that Americans have so lost all sense of right and wrong, ethics and morality, honesty and decency, that they cannot even tell the difference between a bold face lie for self benefit and an honest mistake. It’s possible that one could forget that the day one went to a war zone a particular individual was or was not there. It’s possible to forget during what year a trip might have been. One might forget that a cute little girl brought flowers to the airport and kissed us, etc, etc, etc. However, a person does not remember being shot at unless it happened, as that is a traumatic experience. Hence, a person will not—is not—able to remember being shot at when it did not happen, unless the person is in need of serious psychiatric care. The only option left is that the person has lied, lied, lied. So the fact that various news media speakers seem to be supporting this lie brings into question all their credibility and integrity. If they are willing to claim that the senator’s lies were innocent mistaken recalls, why should we not conclude that they are also unethical and immoral liars.
Posted by: joe radskin | Mar 25, 2008 10:08:17 PM
1984 CONVENTION:
Ultimately, though, the party caved and allowed the delegations to be seated.
Posted by: done_with_DNC | Mar 25, 2008 10:07:46 PM
The people who don't like Hillary isn't because she is a woman...it might be that she is not the best candidate...
or maybe because she has the same ethics as her husband...and this time ...we aren't buying.
Posted by: dl | Mar 25, 2008 9:43:21 PM
Dear,dear Sexism is as what?... 1960's not 1970's. Research Barack's change of heart on the middle east.
Posted by: RL in Illinois | Mar 25, 2008 9:22:38 PM
"Harder to Elect a Woman Than a Black Man"
So a vote for her is a vote wasted then. Apart from all the other reasons not to support her.
Posted by: Pragmatist | Mar 25, 2008 9:12:59 PM
Yes, she can.
Posted by: Mandelay3 | Mar 25, 2008 9:12:23 PM
gender card, clearly, it is ridiculous. I'm not voting for her because she has already lied and mislead us in her campaign, chosen to hide information to let us know more about her and how she handles her affairs. and that her plans are not what this country needs. I could care less whether she was a woman or not.
Posted by: Louis | Mar 25, 2008 9:06:39 PM
Yes, "barbara" we believe you. But most of the party don't agree with you.
Posted by: Superdelegates | Mar 25, 2008 9:05:34 PM
George, admit it. The men you are talking about are the past losing presidential candidates in your own party. And that's really not the reason because they've done everything in their "POWER" to finish her off and they still haven't done it. They won't be able to control her like they could someone else and They just can't stand it. Isn't it ironic that they "say" they don't think she could handle terrorists and yet at the first sign of trouble Barack throws his grandmother under the bus?
Posted by: RL in Illinois | Mar 25, 2008 9:02:44 PM
Anyway, one thing is certain:
Hillary has been the only First Lady in our history who has been indicted for commiting criminal acts.
So I guess that, yes, she has experience.
Posted by: Marty | Mar 25, 2008 8:59:50 PM
jackt51 you are a genius, you comments are perfectly true, i expect more hillary supporters who love the party and see hillary's fight as a chase after the north winds, to join obama, the clinton seem to believe they are entitled to rule america. they expect their former cabinet members to be puppets and support them or else...., some cowardly ones think the clintons can still perform some miracles and so they are holding on out of fear for their political careers.
my friends, times have changed........
Posted by: noo york | Mar 25, 2008 8:53:28 PM
Good grief! Did George McGovern really say that? He must have fallen asleep during the lead up to the Iraq War and not noticed that Hillary Clinton was cheering it on for the first few years - changing her mind in 2006 when the Democrats started thumping the Republicans over it. That is the reason she is losing. She had ALL the advantages in this race, but decided she wanted to be the macho "commander in chief" in waiting and authorize a stupid war. If anyone should understand why that shows poor judgment it should be George McGovern. You make me sorry I worked on your campaign in 1972 if you are really that shallow. Maybe you need to have a chat with some of your former colleagues at the Institute for Policy Studies and they can explain it to you.
Posted by: Chuck | Mar 25, 2008 8:52:08 PM
PRINCETON, NJ -- Hillary Clinton is rated as "honest and trustworthy" by 44% of Americans, far fewer than say this about John McCain (67%) and Barack Obama (63%).
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 25, 2008 8:47:39 PM
The Democrats have given us a choice of two completely unqualified persons as their nominee. This is one of the most important elections ever, and the Dems give us no alternative to John McCain. Good grief.
Posted by: Doc Savage | Mar 25, 2008 8:43:32 PM
The bottom line here is that Hillary Clinton can't win this thing legitimately. Facing that scenario, John Edwards dropped out of the race. Hillary, on the other hand, continues to run in spite of long, long odds against her.
From her perspective, destroying Obama is the only option left that MIGHT get her the high percentage wins she would need in all, or almost all, of the remaining contests. Given Obama's lead in North Carolina, and likely win of several other contests, her only hope is to keep hurling poop and hope enough of it stinks that people notice the odor and blame it on Obama, not on Clinton. Kinda like the older sister thing, where she torments you, and you respond, and you're the one who gets caught. Same thing often happens in basketball and football.
Anyway, to carry out this strategy, she has to care so little about the American public and the democratic party that she is willing to sacrifice the election to John McCain.
Which brings us to part two. If Obama wins the nomination, but she provides ammunition for the Repugnants, resulting in a McCain win, she can run for President in 2012, rather than 2016 when she's around the age John McCain is now.
Tonya Harding is as good an analogy as any for her strategy. We can only hope that it won't work!!!
Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 | Mar 25, 2008 8:42:10 PM
Q Pulpit:
Admit it. You are Obama's top Kool-aid distributor aren't you?
Posted by: Brian | Mar 25, 2008 8:27:41 PM
Hilliary Clinton will elect John McCain, and all of the closet "Dr. Stranglove" warhawks in the Democratic, and Republican parties will squeal with glee after they start World War III with Iran. Just tell me how you expect that whole starting nuclear war with the entire muslim world thing is going to do with the safety of you, your family or your property. I guess the whole world suffering from your misjudgement is kinda endemic in the Democrat and Republican parties. First you gave us Bush and now you insist on Hiliary, yup you folks are damn fools. Oh well, see you at the rapture your so fond of. Hope you've been good, aw who we kidding. I guess you guys are gonna be "left behind." Ha!
Posted by: cba | Mar 25, 2008 8:24:39 PM
I'm a great admirer of Germany's Angela Merkel and I'd LOVE to have a Madame President here at home. But nothing would be so damaging for the ideal of having women run high offices as a Hillary Clinton Presidency.
CBS proved and demonstrated today on video that over a larger period of time during this campaign she lied at least 4 times about her Bosnia "experience". And she lied about her last account of it by saying that she 'misspoke' out of a lack of sleep... That is lie after lie on a serious issue (visiting a country at war) and as such it is a total disqualification of any presidential candidate. Remember, she brought this story herself to convince voters of the depth of her international experience.
The bottom line is that Hillary Clinton cannot be trusted for what she says. She defends lies by constructing new lies, like we only expect children or criminals to do. 44% of Americans recently thought her to be trustworthy, in comparison to McCain's 67% and Obama's 65%. Her very low figures will now drop even further.
I personally think Hillary Clinton is a disgrace to talented and ambitious women, a disgrace to this campaign and a disgrace to our country.
Posted by: Federique | Mar 25, 2008 8:22:13 PM
Scooter libby lied
George bush lied
Bill clinton lied
Rumsfield lied
The CIA lied
etc....
Hilary Clinton Misspoke
isn't that amazing?
Posted by: sami victorio | Mar 25, 2008 8:06:57 PM
Dear Superdelegates,
I am a white, middle-aged, lifetime Democrat with an MBA. Prior to the controversy with Rev Wright, I would have supported ANY Democrat you placed on the ballot in November. But now I will stay home if Obama is your choice. Please let me explain why. Throughout my college and working life, I have seen many blacks given opportunities that I myself would have appreciated. But I wasn’t and had to work hard to get everything I got in life. Now that I am retired, I need a candidate with their priorities straight and Obama is too focused on the African-American community and their all-about-me whining. With gas and heating prices escalating, the market tanking, grocery costs taking its bite out of a fixed pension and the Iraq war draining our resources, it’s the economy again, stupid.
Posted by: Barbara | Mar 25, 2008 8:00:27 PM
By the way, Clinton needs to sort out her memory problems. She can't remember the day well enough to get it right. But she cane remember the day well enough to make excuses for why she got it wrong
Posted by: Frank McCandless | Mar 25, 2008 7:50:49 PM
It Seems that Clinton has mispoke more then once on this Bosnia issue:
CBS/AP) Hillary Rodham Clinton said Tuesday she made a mistake in claiming that she came under hostile fire in Bosnia 12 years ago, as rival Barack Obama's campaign continued to challenge her credibility.
In a recent speech and interviews, the New York senator described a harrowing scene in Tuzla, Bosnia, in which she and her daughter, Chelsea, had to run for cover as soon as they landed for a visit in 1996. But video footage of the day showed a peaceful reception in which a young girl greeted the first lady on the tarmac.
Clinton told reporters in Pennsylvania on Tuesday that she erred in describing the scene, which she now realizes after talking with aides and others.
"So I made a mistake," she said. "That happens. It proves I'm human, which you know, for some people, is a revelation."
She claimed she misspoke and was sleep deprived, but CBS News has found several times in the past few months Senator Clinton used the Bosnia trip to try to show her international experience, reports Sharyl Attkisson. Clinton did so in Iowa in December, Texas in February and also last week.
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Watch Attkisson's report, complete with new video from the Tusla tarmac.
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After CBS News video showed what really happened when she landed and greeted officials, Senator Clinton maintained there were risks but explained to the Philadelphia Daily News why she was seen on the Bosnia tarmac greeting a young child if it was really so dangerous.
"I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this eight-year-old girl and I said, 'Well, I, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her,'' Clinton said. "So I greeted her, I took her stuff and I left. Now that's my memory of it."
Once again her memory doesn't match CBS News videotape, Attkisson reports. She and her daughter Chelsea lingered on the tarmac to greet U.S. military officials, took photos, and then walked to the armored vehicle where she did, eventually, duck and enter.
The more important issue, Clinton said, is whether she would be a better commander-in-chief than Obama or Republican presidential candidate John McCain. Clinton and Obama are competing for votes in Pennsylvania's April 22 primary.
Clinton's aides had tried to control the Bosnia flap Monday, saying the New York senator "
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 25, 2008 7:48:31 PM
Candi: Obama can give up but Hillary will never give up on America,she is a fighter and she is fighting for all of us. God Bless Hillary and God Bless America!
Posted by: russell | Mar 25, 2008 7:39:25 PM
Mattohio: Obama does not have amnesia, that is for uneducated,working class people he has the more educated form of the disease it is called Cerebral Eclipse!
Posted by: russell | Mar 25, 2008 7:27:04 PM
Q Pulpit: Our canidate loves america yours doesn't!
Posted by: russell | Mar 25, 2008 7:22:22 PM
LOL DCVoter.....maybe Obama is related to McCain too, I remember Obama having amnesia while attending Wright's sermons on Friday and then Monday he remembered it all conveniently in his "Protecing Crazy Uncle Wright Speech" !!!!
Posted by: MattOhio | Mar 25, 2008 7:18:09 PM
Why not Hillary? According to Obama she meets the most important criteria, she is a Typical White Woman!
Posted by: russell | Mar 25, 2008 7:14:56 PM
The problem is not that people don't want a woman president. It's that they don't want Hillary Clinton to be president. She is doing a huge disservice to all women by staying in this race. She needs to give it up.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 25, 2008 7:06:21 PM
I certainly hope it's harder to elect that particular woman than a "black" man (a.k.a. African-American). I wouldn't mind a woman president, but not That Woman.
Posted by: andonandon | Mar 25, 2008 7:05:43 PM
He is right 100%! As a man, if there has been one thing I have learned in this election season. The press is very sexist! A lot of men in this country still have issues with women being in charge out of the bedroom. A lot of men are sexist. Everyone, is afraid of being labeled a racist. However, sexism seem to be in fashion!
Proof... when was the last time you saw a story on sexism in the news? Yet, the race card is played everyday in MSM.
Sexism is the new black!
Posted by: Perry | Mar 25, 2008 7:01:19 PM
DCVoter - Say it isn't so!! Where is this info?
"Obama has a prolific presidential lineage that features Democrats and Republicans. His distant cousins include President George W. Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry S. Truman and James Madison. Other Obama cousins include Vice President Cheney, British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill and Civil War General Robert E. Lee."
Posted by: antenian | Mar 25, 2008 7:00:44 PM
Hey IAM,
You can always drop out and just leave the country. Good luck with what you hope for.
Posted by: bob | Mar 25, 2008 6:45:58 PM
Marie because there is not a woman running that is capeable of running this country,if there was I would vote for her.Not a lying witch that would do anything to get back in the White House...
Posted by: h | Mar 25, 2008 6:42:56 PM
He is right...the discrimiation against women is still there but much more subtle today. If Hillary were a man and you compared her experience/qualifications, etc.. against Obama, which one would be better qualified to be president? Have the best chance of success to turn the country around? I have been very curious why the media has been so very easy on Obama and given him a pass. Yet the media has been harsh on McCain and Clinton. Could it be that the media is attempting to influence the outcome of the election? If you do a comparison of the positive media coverage of Obama, it is significantly higher than if all the coverage of McCain and Clinton combined. What does that tell you? The media is having a love affair with Obama. Since when does the media know anything about selecting a president? Let me ask you this...if Obama was a woman, would you vote for her? Would you believe she had the right skills/experience to be president? Could she handle the job? Would she be the most qualified? Flip it around and then you begin to see the gender bias we have.
Posted by: terry | Mar 25, 2008 6:38:41 PM
HOW CLINTON AND OBAMA ARE ALIKE
* Their positions are often barely distinguishable from that of the Republicans
* They have built their campaigns around genetic identity rather than on political principles and issues.
* "I would be stunned to find an anti-business [Supreme Court] appointee from either of them," Cass Sunstein, who is a constitutional adviser to Obama, told me. "There's not a strong interest on the part of Obama or Clinton in demonizing business, and you wouldn't expect to see that in their Supreme Court nominees." - Jeffrey Rosen, NY Times
* They take multiple positions on individual issues such as NAFTA
* They have produced no interesting new ideas nor promised to fight for any important new programs
* They have offered no good idea about how to handle the current economic crisis
* They have gone about their campaigns as though they were leading a cult rather than a political movement
* Clinton hangs out with a covert group of right wing GOP Christians; Obama would name some of them to his cabinet.
* They have similar voting records with Progressive Punch ranking Obama 24th and Clinton 19h in Senate
* The both dissed Nader for daring to run for president again
* Obama wrote that conservatives and Bill Clinton were right to destroy social welfare, Clinton supported her husband's program
* Hillary Clinton comes in at 38th and Obama at 48th in the ranking of the League of Conservation Voters
* Both have hawkish foreign policy advisors involved in past US misdeeds and failures
* Both support Israeli aggression and apartheid. Obama has deserted previous support for two-state solution to Mid East situation
* Both have voted numerous times to continue funding the war
* Both support or won't oppose nuclear power
* Both support war on drugs
* Both support Real ID
* Both support No Child Left Behind
* Both supported crack-cocaine sentence disparity
* Both oppose single payer healthcare
* Both support PATRIOT Act
* Both support the death penalty
* Both have no clear plan to leave Iraq and Afghanistan
* Both support charter schools
* Both support federally funded ethanol
HOW CLINTON AND OBAMA ARE DIFFERENT
* Clinton would continue the 28 year old Reagan - Bush - Clinton - Bush era; Obama would probably end it.
* While both have misled voters, Clinton has by far the worst record, witness the cattle futures, Whitewater, travel office and similar scandals as well as the fact that five of her fundraisers have been convicted of, or pleaded no contest to, crimes and one fled the country after being indicted on charges related to raising money.
* While they both have had seamy friends, so far only one has surfaced for Obama - Rezko - as opposed to a lengthy list for Clinton that begins with three close business partners who ended up in prison.
* Obama, unlike Clinton, has never been almost indicted.