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Wow. Darrell I don't believe for one moment that you are black. You are not fooling anyone. You are just pretending to be someone you are not in order to persuade voters to think differently about Barack. And I suggest that all of the haters of Rev. Wright take time to listen to his his remarks within their original context before before finalizing your opinions. The 15 or 30 second sound bites of Pastor Wright's remarks were deliberately chosen in order to promote negative public opinions of both Sen. Obama and Dr. Wright.

I'm an Black American Male who believes that Obama should stop his campaign and go home, America does not need a President who is associated with a known racist and bigot for over 20yrs and than having him work in his campaign, Obama is a undercover racist and bigot as well, there is no way he can convince me that he truly did not know what his Pastor's teachings stood for, Come on please don't insult my intelligence.

I believe now that the truth has finally came out will still come out about Obama's past, America is going to be even more shocked, so people put your seat belts on and fasten them tight, because a steep roller coaster of Obama life is going to be revealed before you even faster, now that the news media his finally got some guts to start sharing with America all of Obama's deep dark secrets that he thought would never come up and out, before he was mistakenly nominated for Presidency.

I recommend that the mature voters lead teach and guide the younger voters in a different direction from Obama, because they have tremendously been brained washed by Obama's occult like speeches, it's going to be hard to get them to accept that Obama is not good for America, but if the older voters stick together and really mentor our young people, they will begin to fall away from Obama's campaign and grip hold on their young minds one by one, some of these young people really don't know the election process, and many have voted for the first time in their lives, Obama's campaign rallies to them where like going to a late night rock concert, they begin to follow Obama like he was a popular rock or Rap star, so many of our young people's minds has to be purged and reconditioned away from Obama's compelling grip, it's like being on a ill-legal drug and have to go through drug detoxicifican in order to come down off it, this is how far some of our young people his been deceived and brain washed by the Obama campaign.

I suggest that all Americans begin writing letters by the millions to the media and the DNC Chairman Howard Dean to pressure Obama to step down, and if he refuses, do not vote for him anymore throughout the rest these primaries, this will send a strong message that we do not want a liar, a person that was associated with a known racist or bigot Pastor for over 20yrs, and now Obama tries to denounce the Pastor to dupe the American people into saving his political career, it's over for Obama now, no turning back for him, If this happens, the Super delegates and voters will start switching to or back to Hillary's side because it would be the most popular, politically correct, and safest thing to do now, I believe if we don't denounce and get rid of Obama now, America would have made a grave mistake in the long-term, Democratic Party and America as a whole will suffer for not stopping this man in his tracks before he divide this country up even more.

As a Black voter for Hillary, Geraldine Ferraro was right on the money, if it was not for the black vote, Obama would not have gotten this far in the first place, her statement is not racist to me, she was only stating fact by looking at the high percentage of blacks voting for Obama in the primaries, this is very obvious, this is not rocket science you know. So, the voter's and super delegates who voted for Obama reject needs to reject those votes and vote for Hillary before it's too late, Obama is definitely a liability and political death for the Democratic Party and America as well

I'm an Black American Male who believes that Obama should stop his campaign and go home, America does not need a President who is associated with a known racist and bigot for over 20yrs and than having him work in his campaign, Obama is a undercover racist and bigot as well, there is no way he can convince me that he truly did not know what his Pastor's teachings stood for, Come on please don't insult my intelligence.

I believe now that the truth has finally came out will still come out about Obama's past, America is going to be even more shocked, so people put your seat belts on and fasten them tight, because a steep roller coaster of Obama life is going to be revealed before you even faster, now that the news media his finally got some guts to start sharing with America all of Obama's deep dark secrets that he thought would never come up and out, before he was mistakenly nominated for Presidency.

I recommend that the mature voters lead teach and guide the younger voters in a different direction from Obama, because they have tremendously been brained washed by Obama's occult like speeches, it's going to be hard to get them to accept that Obama is not good for America, but if the older voters stick together and really mentor our young people, they will begin to fall away from Obama's campaign and grip hold on their young minds one by one, some of these young people really don't know the election process, and many have voted for the first time in their lives, Obama's campaign rallies to them where like going to a late night rock concert, they begin to follow Obama like he was a popular rock or Rap star, so many of our young people's minds has to be purged and reconditioned away from Obama's compelling grip, it's like being on a ill-legal drug and have to go through drug detoxicifican in order to come down off it, this is how far some of our young people his been deceived and brain washed by the Obama campaign.

I suggest that all Americans begin writing letters by the millions to the media and the DNC Chairman Howard Dean to pressure Obama to step down, and if he refuses, do not vote for him anymore throughout the rest these primaries, this will send a strong message that we do not want a liar, a person that was associated with a known racist or bigot Pastor for over 20yrs, and now Obama tries to denounce the Pastor to dupe the American people into saving his political career, it's over for Obama now, no turning back for him, If this happens, the Super delegates and voters will start switching to or back to Hillary's side because it would be the most popular, politically correct, and safest thing to do now, I believe if we don't denounce and get rid of Obama now, America would have made a grave mistake in the long-term, Democratic Party and America as a whole will suffer for not stopping this man in his tracks before he divide this country up even more.

As a Black voter for Hillary, Geraldine Ferraro was right on the money, if it was not for the black vote, Obama would not have gotten this far in the first place, her statement is not racist to me, she was only stating fact by looking at the high percentage of blacks voting for Obama in the primaries, this is very obvious, this is not rocket science you know. So, the voter's and super delegates who voted for Obama reject needs to reject those votes and vote for Hillary before it's too late, Obama is definitely a liability and political death for the Democratic Party and America as well

I am amazed at how no matter what comes up about Barack Obama, everyone makes excuses, come on, if You had a uncle that said all of the hate and bigotry that Jeremiah Wright spewed, you sure wouldn't take him out and put him on stage, much less keep watching him for 20 years. This guys isn't an uncle this guy is his spiritual leader, this guy is pure hate, and his hate is leveled at white people, and the United States government. I have been to a couple of churches in my time, and when they didn't go along with my core beliefs I left, therefore I cannot give Obama the benefit of the doubt, are we supposed to believe that when Obama was in the house Jeremiah Wright didn't say these awful comments. I wouldn't believe that if I were saying it. Why do people keep giving him a pass as they belittle Clinton every step of the way, if anyone with any common sense thinks that after all of this, Obama can possibly be elected in the general election come November you must have left your values at the door. I don't want anyone representing me that could sit and listen to Wright for 20 years and act like that is normal, much less praise him in books and speech. I am thoroughly disgusted with this man and the people who keep giving him a free ride. Are you guys the same ones that ridiculed Ferraro??? She said what, that a white man in his position couldn't be elected??? How does that compare with what Obama has been listening to and living with for 20 years. Obama's wife certainly seems to go along with Wright, considering her comment about her pride in her government for the first time in her life, sounds like a comment Jeremiah Wright might make. If this were a white person, man or woman that had been attending this church for 20 years the media and pundits would have crucified them by now, what's up with you people?

Obama is now appearing on the various news outlet’s trying to defend himself on having such a long relationship with a racist and bigoted Pastor J Wright, People please don’t fall for this, Obama is good at lying and duping the American Public, he has no credibility or trust now, he should have put this in the bag a long time ago, he’s only doing it now, in order to save his Political career, well, the American public are not illiterate or stupid like he may think. Obama’s goose may be finally cooked on this one, America please remember this at the voting poles, let’s stop Obama before he becomes our President, there is no way Obama can claim he did not know what his Pastor was preaching on Sunday mornings, if he was not their in person, Obama could buy video and audio tapes of his teachings like other people do over the internet and mail order service, so he knew or should have know that his Pastor was teaching anti- American, and racist sermons over the last 20yrs. Obama should not try an insult the American’s people’s intelligence. I don’t want a Presidential candidate who is already trying took make a fool out of me. Obama is no good fro America, vote for Hillary it least you know what you are getting, as opposed to Obama, who have a lot more skeleton’s in the closet that’s yet to be brought out into the light.

More distortions from the Obama camp. AS IF the Dems will win Colorado in the general! And news flash: Obama did not win New Mexico, Hillary did. And regarding polls: right now Hillary is ahead of McCain in national polls. Hillary has won many more pivotal states: CA, Arkansas, Tennessee, Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, etc. Obama has won red states with miniscule caucus votes (eg: Wyoming's 10,000 votes). They are misleading the American people about the general election. If he is the nominee, the Dems will lose again.

Perhaps the most widespread misconception about Barack Obama that has been forcefully expounded by both Hillary Clinton and John McCain is that because he is younger than both of them he therefore must be too inexperienced to be president.
Senator John McCain is 71 years old, Senator Hillary Clinton is age 60 and Senator Barak Obama is 46 years of age. But America has had both younger and older individuals who have served with great distinction as president such as Theodore Roosevelt who became president at age 42, John Kennedy who assumed the presidency at age 43, and Ronald Regan who was sworn in as the Commander in Chief on January 20, 1981 at age 69.
Bill Clinton became president at age 46 after having served 12 years as the governor of Arkansas, but without having had any experience whatsoever in Washington. Before Abraham Lincoln took the oath of office in 1860 to become our 16th president he had previously served 8 years as an Illinois state legislator and 4 years in the U.S. Congress, which incidentally just happens to have been precisely Barack Obama’s experience. If Barack Obama is sworn in as the 44th President of the United States on January 20, 2009 he will have served 12 years as an elected legislator which include 8 years as an Illinois State Senator and 4 years as a U.S. Senator and he will be 47 years old.
In the 1960 Democratic primary election Senator John Kennedy was also told he was too young and inexperienced to be president, then by such notable members of the "old guard" as Eleanor Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Adlai Stevenson, and Lyndon Johnson. Kennedy was told to wait his turn! But, of course JFK won the 1960 Democratic primary and went on to defeat Richard Nixon in the general election despite Nixon's protest that "Kennedy is too young and inexperienced to be President." It wasn't true then about John F. Kennedy and it isn't true now about Barack Obama.
Voters should evaluate Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama not simply on the basis of their respective ages of 60 and 46 but look closely at how each of them approaches politics and consider their individual life experience, compare their respective judgment, character, vision, intelligence, imagination and creativity, and assess each one’s ability to unify America and actually bring about significant changes in Washington.

They have there nerves. Her arrogance makes me sick. She says obama cant win the general election without realizing that she to is facing an uphill battle. as many people that refuse to vote for a black man, will also not vote for a white woman esp one with the last name Clinton.

Hillary should hire Mohammed Saeed Al-Sahhaf (remember the" Bagdad Bob" on Iraqi TV during the invasion?). He should be able to pass her test about the "experience" required in communicating to the media. If Hillary added him to her staff, Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson could stay on as her trusted and loyal advisors but both should have to clear their public comments with their new mentor.

simple. hillary is playing the if i can not win then i will make sure obama does not win in the fall. therfore win he loses (which i do not think he will) she thinks dem will worship her and her husband like they did in the 90's she wants all of us to bow down before her and kiss the ring. it is not about dems or republicans or even our country it is about power for her and bill. they it had once they want it again.

McCain was was endorsed by a pastor who and I quote "Hurricane Katrina was an act of God, punishing New Orleans for "a level of sin that was offensive to God". "of the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans." He went on to say hurricane struck and that this was proof "of the judgment of God".

Pat Roberston -Evangelical Leader said and I quote " "Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department

"Well, I totally concur." –Pat Robertson to Jerry Falwell following the Sept. 11 attacks, after Falwell said, "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say: "You helped this happen."

So should EVERY ONE THAT CONSIDERS THEMSELVES TO BE EVANGELICAL HAVE RENOUNCED THEIR FAITH? SHOULD McCain have renounced Hagee? Should HAGEE'S members have walked out? Should Catholics left the church when it was found out the sooooooo many priets were molesting children? NO, the fact is many relgious leaders say things we DO NOT AGREE WITH IN TOTALITY. WE ARE NOT GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION.

Druid, your "greatest man in politics" chose to sit and listen to hate filled bigotry toward people and our country. He chose to have this man as his spiritual leader. He chose to give this church money. The CHOICE was his and he chose to spend time worshiping with this man and listening to his hate filled sermons. He may not have given the sermons, but he was a willing participant.

to druid then i guess you agree with rev wrights statements just like obama contiues to do by attending ,contributing and the absolutely most unforgivable thing exposing two very young and very innocent girls to this kind of hate and antiamerican garbage and you want this charlaten to be president,it also puts michelles comment about this being the first time in her life that she is proud to be an american,lol they are done this is not going away and should we be stupid enough to still nominate this antiamerican snake oil salesman then its over mcain will win in a landslide.

Don't go by polls, if we would have gone by polls Hillary would have been long gone.

Polls are another way to manipulate the voters to vote for one canditate: 'shooot did you see the latest polls, this guy Bakarak or whatever his name is, is in the lead, I guess I'll vote for him too since I don't follow politics' = 75% of Americans.

In every pole I've seen, Clinton vs. McCain or Obama vs. Mcain, I havn't seen any candidate cross the 50% threshold. That means the independents are keeping thier powder dry. Neither McCain nor Obama were thier parties establishment candidate and that seems to register with the swing voters who are tired of the partisan battles on both sides of the isle, Clinton is a polalizing figure and has too high a negative to win the independent and cross the 50% threshold.

what i dont understand is how any of you obama supporters could still advocate for him after learning of rev wrights statements incl GD america and we caused 9/11 because we are the terrorists and obama continues to attend and contribute to rev wrights church.not only that he exposes his children to this hate filled and vile speech sunday after sunday,so dont tell me he can win in november this story will not die and it will be the beginning of the end for saint obama.

Rep's are not only cheating on converting to Dem's to vote for the weak and dumb candidate, the media people are playing the biggest role (by the way those are the same media people covering WB's dumb ass because he should be declared the worst President EVER)!

Imagine, if we put Obama in the oval office, it'd be like an intern was just hired to run the biggest company in the world! lol It'd be like in 2000 when WB took office, and look how he ran America since then? Thank you.

I disagree with Obama being the VP, for what? He does not bring any value to the table. If Rep's would give me the same media coverage, I could get on the polls and retardately yell 'Change Change' and get some votes.

The VP has to be smart taking care all the issues in the background and advise the President on ALL issues with deep knowledge, what the hell is Obama gonna advise Hillary? 'Umm.. I think we got some people overseas mad at us, I dunno why but they just called you a biatch. Lemme go send some B2's for you and scare them off.'

Look, the choice is quite simple, and btw. I'm neither a Rep nor a Dem, if I could I would vote for Nader all the way which is sadly not realistic the way this retarded and outdated two party system works. But I follow politics and I do see a challenging time ahead of us because ultimately every Obama vote brings McBush2 closer to the White house and unintentionally closer to another war, more poverty hence increased crime rates while the count of billionaires continues to rise, decline in education, less people medically insured, maybe another 9/11 to have a reason to invade another oil rich country, etc..etc. = chaos! (same as we've been watching from the sideline since 2000)

But what do I know, I'm just an independent observer.

So are the Americans that are voting for Hillary will not vote for Barack in the general election if he is the democratic candidate? I know as a Barack supporter, I would definitely vote and try to convince others to vote for Hillary if she is the candidate. Would they vote for John McCain or not vote at all? There has been a lot of talk that Blacks were voting for Barack because is he is Black and now I realize that Whites are Not voting for Barack because he is Black. It definitely does not have anything to do with the candidate qualification or national security experience or who would work the hardest to try moving this country forward.

It still seems that she is still the inevitable president... either Clinton in 2008 or she will make it imposible for a dem to win, going so far as to praising the republican candidate over the democratic front runner leaving it open for her in 2012.

Also,

Why is the media allowing the candidates, mainly the Clintons, get away with all of this political posturing over the Florida mail-in ballot. It is against the state constitution to have any mail-in vote in which a candidate appears on the ballot (questions and propositions are okay). So, not a problem, hold a private non-state supported primary paid for by rich Clinton supporters (New Jersey's Governor) but the constitution also prohibits the state from sharing the voter roles and information, so why let someone score points for backing a plan that they know isn't doable?

DON'T BE DUPED!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-self, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-self.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history. But the time to act is soon.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Hey Obama supporters. I am the blackest
of black democrats but cant be fooled
like you just voting for Obama because
he is black. Lets be realistic because
the superdelegates will be very
realistic in making Hillary the nominee,
like it or not. Facts:Obama is in the
lead because blacks have voted for him
9-1. Blacks make up only 12.5% of the
population. Then all the whites should
vote for Hillary and the nomination is
over. When Obama wins, these states are
so marginal Hillary gets peanuts to
finish second vs when Hillary wins
these states are so meaningful, Obama
gets many delegates to finish second,
eg, California,Texas, New York, New
Jersey, Massachussetts, just to name a
few. Hillary's Highest count in
delegates to finish second is 49 in
Illinois. If the superdelegates read
this from me they can easily solve
this nomination quagmire. Simple math.
Winner takes all in the states they won.
Totals. Clinton 1414, Obama 1231 and
this is not counting Florida and
Michigan. By the way, the DNC should
conduct the rest of the races as
primaries, not caucuses, the people vote
big come election day

Doug...do you realize that your candidate failed the bar exam twice (in DC) and finally passed it in Arkansas because the bar exam there has a much higher pass rate (80%). Obama managed to graduate from Columbia University and Harvard University Law School magna cum laude (with honors for those non-Latin speaking people). He also passed the bar exam on the first try (in Illinois, with a much lower pass rate). So let's not argue about which candidate is smarter.

I can not agree more that Obama can not win a general election. First and foremost because he is not qualified for the job (doesn't matter if he's black, asian, mexican, or anglo-sachsen), he is actually quite dumb but I certainly wouldn't say as dumb as WB. The reason why he's gotten so far: Rep's know he can't win coming November. Since they have a vast control of the American media they have been giving him positive media coverage, with positive results as you can see. I'll bet with anyone that if he wins the nomination that we will have another Republican President for at least another 4 years, just enough to build a case towards attacking Iran, the last major Oil country NOT under US control.

So, to make this clear so the equally dumb supporters of the Obama campaign get it, a vote for Obama to become nominee is like voting for McCain for President, understand dumbo?

Clinton can certainly beat McCain, and Bill has been one of the better Presidents in America's recent history. If you disagree, then who was better fool?

Im sick of Clinton's campaign treating bigger states as if they are more important, majority rules and thus far the majority has spoken.

Well Mat, there are still 351 super delegates uncommitted, and none of them are budging an inch either way. What are they waiting for? If as you say, it is over for Clinton, than all 351 should have jumped to Obama by now. Why are they waiting?

Sorry, I meant 20 year democrat.

dl

You seem to assume than the trend of red states turning blue since 2000 (if it exists) will continue and you base that on 2004. In 2004, Bush running for re-election kept those states even though most people had learned by that time that he was an idiot. Republicans stay true to their party even at the cost of their own integritiy. Now they have McCain running and republicans will fall in line behind him more than they did Bush. Independents don't have a problem with McCain either. I say again and I say it as a 20 democrat, Obama hasn't got a prayer.

Hey "Math" guy,
About a week ago ABC news issued a report that the race had become a dead heat, nationally. This was reported on "This Week". The reverence with which this was reported was striking, and brings into light the fact that the the press cares much more greatly about the national "mood" than it does for silly nominating math. As the press goes, so goes the politicians. And so, when we roll into a convention at which time Hillary has moved 5 to 10 points into the lead on the fact that Obama is not electable as President, combined with the Pennsylvania landslide, and the Florida re-vote landslide, and a substantial popular vote lead which has left Obama in the dust, you will then see the end game coming into play. Mr. Obama will figure out what hit him in about eight years, as did McCain with his adversary Bush.

Mark Penn needs to remember the REPUBLICANS WON'T BE VOTING FOR HILLARY in November although I doubt she will make it that far.

I can understand all the race baiting. I don't agree with it, but I can see right through it. It is simply to enrage white voters so they will get out and vote for her.

But to play right into the Republican's hands...I just don't get it. She really is burning Rhome isn't she.

girlinvt: As we speak the Pastor Wright story is everywhere.
Politico. com, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, The Caucus, It is growing wildly out of control. Obama need to do some damage control real quick, or forget about firing Pastor Wright. Obama himself may have to step down due to public outrage.

Mat Math. I think it is safe to say at this stage of the game you can throw out your abacus, calculator, slide rule and spread sheets. Math will not be a factor in whom the super delegates will choose. They have too look at electability and strategy, and August is light years away.

If Mr. Obama continues his downward trend in the polls and in public perception as the weaker candidate, the supers will throw their support behind Hillary. That is the reason they are there. Since Obama came on the scene people voted with their feelings and their hearts , not their heads. They are political experts who must steer the country and the electorate in the proper direction.

Unfortunately, any general election matchup poll prior to October or so is essentially useless because there is no way of knowing whether the dem voters will unite or not behind the nominee. The point being made by Penn and other analysts is simple: if the dems do not unite behind Obama, he will not beat McCain based on electoral majority. There is an interesting analysis that shows the black voting bloc (12% of the country) overwhelmingy has supported democratic candidates in every election in recent history (Kerry, Gore, Clinton, and so on) but the white male electorate (1/3) have tilted the electoral votes in southern states that have large black voting blocs in favor of Reps with the exception of Bill Clinton's runs. Kerry ignored the white male vote in the southern states and Gore couldnt carry them - both liberals. The fact is, based on the analyst's statement: no Rep or Dem has ever been placed in the WH by the black voting bloc. It takes a combination of votes combined with the white majority to win... period. The fact that the dems have only won 3 presidential elections against the reps in the last 40 years is not surprising is it? What it will take is a united dem party and that does not exist. Clinton, having the dem core voters, has the best chance even without Obama supporters because the dem party is so much larger than the rep party right now in terms of support. However, the indies being 44% of the electorate this year make their bloc significant. On the dem side, it looks like the libs support Obama and the moderates support Clinton. This bloc can easily swing the election between the dems and reps because they are not party loyal. Clinton and McCain are both moderates... Obama is liberal. All things considered... Penn is right.

Penn was apparently quoted out of context. His analysis is similar to many other experts on electability. Without the hype, I will try to break it down:

Clinton has the dem core voters who are party loyal. The only loyal dem voters who support Obama are the liberal latte. The state contests show a distinct result:

Obama cannot win the electoral majority in Nov without Clinton supporters.

Clinton is already carrying the electoral majority without Obama supporters.

What he said was related to the above facts. If Obama is the nominee, he must somehow suddenly get the support of 75% or more of the dem core to beat McCain. These are simple statistical facts based on all the variables.

This is more a talking point for the SDs than the voters but it will influence the core dem voters who have not voted yet which may result in strong Clinton wins. Ultimately, it is the SDs that will tip the election either way in combination with the will of the voters, not in spite of them.

It is a close race, anything can happen, let the nomination process playout and let the remaining voters participate including MI and FL.

This is the reality that the America must face this time: Obama will win the nomination, McCain will win the General Election. America, especially the poor African-America, will lose the next four year, even eight years! As mentioned in this article, African-America is the base of democrat party. Unfortunately, they are not the base of America. This is the real fate! Unfortunately!

Komrade Darrell says

"A House Divided Against Itself shall Not Stand,"

Buddy. Hillary feels she is ENTITLED to sole possession of the house.

She gonna burn it down before she lets Obama in.

The dilemma the Clinton camp has, is that is has to DESTROY Obama. But if they go too far, they get screwed too.

Here is the way one Insider has called it:

"If the Clinton people knee-cap Obama, it would be like killing Santa Claus Xmas morning in front of the children. The children won't forget or forgive."

So all the 'children' i.e., the young voters, independents and disillusioned Republicans will have a grudge to hold HARD against HRC.

But this OK too with team Hillary. Because they can still challenge McCain in 2012.

Jay,
Dont yu feel silly now ?

"Obama canceled his campaign stop this morning at a PA college claiming he had to be in Washington. Maybe the audience was so small"-jay

Looks like Obama McCain and Clinton all had to be in washington !

You look very very silly!

I'm with you Wilhem. How can Obama claim to be a Christian with this kinda preacher & guidance? That is not the word of God spewing out of the mouth of his preacher. God does not put up with this type of propaganda in his house (if it's truly a house of God & not a cult). I'm leaning towards a cult especially after reading up on his church. I would never subject my children to this type of hatred. Talking about being racist- this is like a school teaching racism on Sunday morning.

I don't think Hillary is running so people "like" her. She is running to do a job.

You know what Mitch they are doing this for Billy Boy and you know this as will as I do she knows jack ---- about the way a war is run----- except to vote to go to war

If he cannot win, she cannot win. More people hate and I mean detest the Clinton's, both of them, than him.

What, does she think people will just fall in love with her? Does she think people will just suck it up and vote for her? Seriously people hate the Clinton's. Not just Repubs or Indep. I talking about Dems. She is getting a TON of SYMPATHY now, but you wait, it won't last...

Do her supporters not understand, his supporters feel the same way about her as you all do about him.

McCain 08!

Hilary Clinton and her husband's HIGH NEGATIVE makes her a shoe-in for the Presidency. lol

What is going on here is the so-called super delegates sit on their worthless hiney and watch the Clintons use their racist scorched earth destructiveness to enable McBush III.

It is the same kind of Clinton self-centeredness the Clintons used to Monica Lewinskied the Democratic Party in 2000, denied Al Gore, and enabled Bush I

how can hillary and her campaign speak for every dem voter in the dem states she won in the primary, that these voters won't support obama in the fall ? this just shows how conceited she really is. all the dems in these states she claims will vote rebuplican or some other way because she is not the nominee. well not for all the experience in the world or to see a woman as president or color of ones skin, does this country deserve another Bush in the white house.

Obama is no longer electable. He has stayed mum about the nasty, racist things his pastor of 20 years has said. I doubt even Clinton wants him as VP anymore. I sure wouldn't. The things Ferraro said are mild in comparison. Obama should have said something today, instead he went to the Senate to vote "no" on his own legislation.

Several have mentioned the trust issue here...I can't trust a candidate who, for 20 years, has attended a church whose pastor inflames his own congregation with such hatred (as I heard on the video on ABC news today.) I can't believe the majority of people in this country would even consider trusting someone who hasn't distanced himself from this kind of rhetoric; if not for his own personal integrity or even his political future, then for his children's sake!

Exit polls showed that Barack Obama candidacy is not embraced by Hispanics, (NOT getting 35% of their votes) in states like TX, NY, NM, AR, FL, NJ and CA with 177 ELECTORAL VOTES in a general Election.

Exit polls also showed that Barack Obama candidacy is not embraced by white Voters, (not getting 35% of their votes) in states such as AR, OK, TN, LA, AL, MS, GA, and SC with 68 ELECTORAL VOTES in a general election.

OHIO and PA with 41 ELECTORAL VOTES.

270 ELECTORAL VOTES are needed to win the US Presidency.

and scott...the margins can matter when you are trying to win a state or a state looks to be close and the candidates popularity comes in to question...

How many will turn out...

in somecases in the primary alone states saw numbers where a candidate on one side is showing support 2 and 3 times as the candidate on the other side.

Who do you want going in to battle for the popular vote...

JR

That shows how much you understand the numbers... there are a number or red states who have been slowly changing in demographic and political stance that have been trending toward the blue column anyway...like Colorado, or North Carolina, Georgia, Missouri (albeit this is a state without a large margin)...

These states
and many more that were only like 5-7 percent in many cases on the Repub side in 2004 and had dropped somehwere between 8 and 10 percent from 2000 to 2004. With the movement of Republican to Democrats that they have been following this year, especially combined with large margins on the part of Barack over Hillary in many cases, Dems over Repubs in the primaries (in 2 to 1 in numbers) ... and Mccains small percentages of the repub vote ...

Yes there is a good chance...we could change a number of states...

Baracks numbers in some of those states were larger than the entire republican turn out in some cases he had like 3 to 1 numbers than McCain. Hillary doesn't have that....oh besides Arkansas.

JR

That shows how much you understand the numbers... there are a number or red states who have been slowly changing in demographic and political stance that have been trending toward the blue column anyway...like Colorado, or North Carolina, Georgia, Missouri (albeit this is a state without a large margin)...

These states
and many more that were only like 5-7 percent in many cases on the Repub side in 2004 and had dropped somehwere between 8 and 10 percent from 2000 to 2004. With the movement of Republican to Democrats that they have been following this year, especially combined with large margins on the part of Barack over Hillary in many cases, Dems over Repubs in the primaries (in 2 to 1 in numbers) ... and Mccains small percentages of the repub vote ...

Yes there is a good chance...we could change a number of states...

Baracks numbers in some of those states were larger than the entire republican turn out in some cases he had like 3 to 1 numbers than McCain. Hillary doesn't have that....oh besides Arkansas.

dl:

Margins don't matter either.

Look at it this way: say in a state, 40% are Repo, 40% are Demo, and 20* are Ind. In the Primary, Clinton wins 60% of the Dem vote, Obama wins 40%, but also wins the Ind vote.

Clinton wins the primary in that state.

Now let's look at the general, with Obama as the nominee: he wins 100% of the Dem and 60% of the Ind vote, McCain wins 100% Repo and 40% Ind.

Obama wins the general in that state.

With Clinton as the nominee: 100% Dem, 20% Ind, so McCain wins the state.

Obviously these are all made-up numbers, but my point is that how a Dem vs. a Dem primary battle goes tells us absolutely NOTHING about how the general will go, because in the primary it's mostly Dem voters. She may win amongst the Dems in the primary, but most of the Dems that voted for her in the primary would vote for Obama in the general.

Jay

I'll just answer two of the questions...

"Why should she? (pack it in)"

Because with her chances to beat Sen. Obama (who is a GREAT candidate whether you think Sen. Clinton is better or not)...at this stage of the game (at the Ohio stage of the game for goodness sake) for her to win she knows how she has to play it and what it will do to ANYONE's chances of winning... look at what it has done to the poll numbers already...

...but she is willing to take that chance because she in her mind brings more ...that much more to the Presidency that it is worth this.

...and as far as Sen. Obama going up against Sen. McCain. I only have worries if this gets dragged on and and they have video of Sen. Clinton saying over and over that McCain has passed the threshold and Barack has not...and Mark Penn saying that Sen. obama can't win the election.

and more of each side of this argument gets more embedded and more angry when their candidate loses... and they have so much more negative crap coming out of the campaigns.

If you Obama folks think that solid RED states that have voted the last 3 or 4 or more elections republican are going to suddenly change and go for Obama, y0ou are out of your minds.

HILLARY CLINTON is a tough campaigner and needs to bring these types of discussions out for consideration and processing by our national electorate. For those that cry foul at even introducing such a discussion I remind you of the ways of the Stazi in pre-Berlin wall times. This is a great discussion to have. I concur, Mr. Obama is not ready for prime-time. Here's what I'd like to see -- a CLINTON/OBAMA ticket for the first four years, an OBAMA/CLINTON ticket for the second four years, and they compete head on again for the third term based on results. What do you think?

It's everything. BHO's pastor, his wife and HC's husband. My experience in the 90s. My broken heart when Al Gore lost. How this election is shaping up. I don't have a formula to plug in values to come out with a trust score. It's visceral. All in all I distrust him more today than yesterday and yesterday was more than a week ago.

Mitch, let us remember that it is the military might which has brought the US in this position where it is. The French Minister of Foreign Affairs Bernard Kouchner has said all about the US stand in the world. The "magic is gone" and it will be difficult for the US to recover from 8 years of Bush-Cheney militarism in the world. If US would like to continue that militarist adventures in the world then vote for the ticket McCain/Hilary

Does it really matter what Mark Penn or Hillary Clinton think or say?
They have shown themselves to be incompetetent.
They thought they had the nomination in the bag from the beginning.
Now, even though they have lost, they go on pretending...
So desperate and pathetic.
A woman scorned...
If she can't win, she'd rather see McCain win the presidency.
That's their goal... and the goal of the people with the special interests etc.

The Hillary camp is in no position to criticize Mr. Obama: as not even the Dem nomination they can win whats more the general election.

Hillary will be remembered as an "also ran" candidate.

and Scott it doesn't translate unless she wins by a large margin.

The only way primary victories matter is about margins...margins margins margins.

How many times can I say it to those people who keep referring to candidates delivering states from a 1-5% win...

Primary wins only have significance if they are a large margin. and there is no magic number as to how large necessarily but again if you look at the numbers...Obama has many more states that if we don't destroy ourselves we could win and expand in Novemebr because of all the other numbers in play...

...but this is about Hillary becoming President (because she is part of our Presidential couple) This isn't not riding into the general with the strongest momentum and candidate...and a candidate that most people could've been proud of before the fight to the death.

Celebrity death match ...the Presidential primary version.

And yet every poll for months now says that Obama has a better chance beating McCain than Hillary...interesting...

My issue with "Trust" and politicians is perfectly contrary to so many who post about Obama's "trust" factor. I remember eight years ago when President W. platformed on, "do you trust me?" and the country yelled enthusiastically, "Yes!" Trust is such a funny thing in politics... I base my decision on two things: judgment and integrity, of which Hillary has absolutely none, and McCain lost as soon as he realized his bid for president was going to take being a different McCain than the one I respected before. Flip flop...again, a bludgeon used not that long ago, now conveniently forgotten. I believe that speeches do make a difference, as MLK shows pretty poignantly, words can change history. I'm tired of the "politicking" that runs D.C. They're so accustomed to painting pictures instead of looking at pictures. More than anything I want change, not more lies, high-brow arrogance, and baby kissing. Obama is not the sort who seems to work alone (evidenced in the work that Hillary is so fervently dismissing as illusory) and by surrounding himself by hard working American minds (of which Clinton could be one, if American prosperity were really her goal), he will hardly be ineffectual as commander in chief. Let me say it again...I've had enough of the "politics". They're like vitamin supplements - only as necessary as we make them. The rest is simply truth, judgment, hard work, and integrity.

Esvida..."You can't trust him."

but you can trust Sen Clinton? I'm sorry why can you trust her and not him...Something that is a real thing that she did?

I think you need to ask yourself, seriously, I'm not being a jerk but when I hear a statement like that I have to ask... ...Is it that you trust her or are you basing your impression of her as President on the trust that Bill Clinton gave you.

I don't need an answer that is question everyone has to answer but she hasn't done anything for you to trust her rather than Obama with the duties of a President.

I really think this protectionism of the Clinton's is a hangover from our feelings from the past 8 years...and they have become the bar.

I really, really don't get this meme.

What does winning against another Democrat in a primary have to do with the general against a Republican? In the general, the Democrats will probably vote for him anyways.

If anything, it's the other way around: Obama is winning in states where a Democrat wouldn't, which implies that he'd get more support from Republicans and Independents than she would, which gives him a better chance in the general.

More desperate flailing, I think.

I am the reason Hillary can't win the General election.
I have voted Democrat every time since my first vote for Kennedy… not out of any Party loyalty, but because I have honestly felt they have had the best platforms and candidates.

That said I, and many more like me, will not vote for Hillary. Some will sit it out and others will vote for McCaine who, until going over to the Dark Side for the last 8 years, showed some honesty and integrity.

I assume a candidate will hanle the Presidency the same way they have handled their campaign. She has lied, distorted and spread mis-information in her ""kitchen sink"" attacks on Obama. I have had enough of Presidents who will do and say anything, regardless of who it damages, to achieve their personal objectives. Eight years of that with the Bush-Cheney-Rove administration was enough from that playbook. I see no reason that Hillary will clean up her act if elected. The country deserves better than that... at this point in time, it needs better than that.