Clinton Campaign: Obama "Can't Win a General Election"

Hey Obama supporters. I am the blackest
of black democrats but cant be fooled
like you just voting for Obama because
he is black. Lets be realistic because
the superdelegates will be very
realistic in making Hillary the nominee,
like it or not. Facts:Obama is in the
lead because blacks have voted for him
9-1. Blacks make up only 12.5% of the
population. Then all the whites should
vote for Hillary and the nomination is
over. When Obama wins, these states are
so marginal Hillary gets peanuts to
finish second vs when Hillary wins
these states are so meaningful, Obama
gets many delegates to finish second,
eg, California,Texas, New York, New
Jersey, Massachussetts, just to name a
few. Hillary's Highest count in
delegates to finish second is 49 in
Illinois. If the superdelegates read
this from me they can easily solve
this nomination quagmire. Simple math.
Winner takes all in the states they won.
Totals. Clinton 1414, Obama 1231 and
this is not counting Florida and
Michigan. By the way, the DNC should
conduct the rest of the races as
primaries, not caucuses, the people vote
big come election day

Doug...do you realize that your candidate failed the bar exam twice (in DC) and finally passed it in Arkansas because the bar exam there has a much higher pass rate (80%). Obama managed to graduate from Columbia University and Harvard University Law School magna cum laude (with honors for those non-Latin speaking people). He also passed the bar exam on the first try (in Illinois, with a much lower pass rate). So let's not argue about which candidate is smarter.

I can not agree more that Obama can not win a general election. First and foremost because he is not qualified for the job (doesn't matter if he's black, asian, mexican, or anglo-sachsen), he is actually quite dumb but I certainly wouldn't say as dumb as WB. The reason why he's gotten so far: Rep's know he can't win coming November. Since they have a vast control of the American media they have been giving him positive media coverage, with positive results as you can see. I'll bet with anyone that if he wins the nomination that we will have another Republican President for at least another 4 years, just enough to build a case towards attacking Iran, the last major Oil country NOT under US control.

So, to make this clear so the equally dumb supporters of the Obama campaign get it, a vote for Obama to become nominee is like voting for McCain for President, understand dumbo?

Clinton can certainly beat McCain, and Bill has been one of the better Presidents in America's recent history. If you disagree, then who was better fool?

Im sick of Clinton's campaign treating bigger states as if they are more important, majority rules and thus far the majority has spoken.

Well Mat, there are still 351 super delegates uncommitted, and none of them are budging an inch either way. What are they waiting for? If as you say, it is over for Clinton, than all 351 should have jumped to Obama by now. Why are they waiting?

Sorry, I meant 20 year democrat.

dl

You seem to assume than the trend of red states turning blue since 2000 (if it exists) will continue and you base that on 2004. In 2004, Bush running for re-election kept those states even though most people had learned by that time that he was an idiot. Republicans stay true to their party even at the cost of their own integritiy. Now they have McCain running and republicans will fall in line behind him more than they did Bush. Independents don't have a problem with McCain either. I say again and I say it as a 20 democrat, Obama hasn't got a prayer.

Hey "Math" guy,
About a week ago ABC news issued a report that the race had become a dead heat, nationally. This was reported on "This Week". The reverence with which this was reported was striking, and brings into light the fact that the the press cares much more greatly about the national "mood" than it does for silly nominating math. As the press goes, so goes the politicians. And so, when we roll into a convention at which time Hillary has moved 5 to 10 points into the lead on the fact that Obama is not electable as President, combined with the Pennsylvania landslide, and the Florida re-vote landslide, and a substantial popular vote lead which has left Obama in the dust, you will then see the end game coming into play. Mr. Obama will figure out what hit him in about eight years, as did McCain with his adversary Bush.

Mark Penn needs to remember the REPUBLICANS WON'T BE VOTING FOR HILLARY in November although I doubt she will make it that far.

I can understand all the race baiting. I don't agree with it, but I can see right through it. It is simply to enrage white voters so they will get out and vote for her.

But to play right into the Republican's hands...I just don't get it. She really is burning Rhome isn't she.

girlinvt: As we speak the Pastor Wright story is everywhere.
Politico. com, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, The Caucus, It is growing wildly out of control. Obama need to do some damage control real quick, or forget about firing Pastor Wright. Obama himself may have to step down due to public outrage.

Mat Math. I think it is safe to say at this stage of the game you can throw out your abacus, calculator, slide rule and spread sheets. Math will not be a factor in whom the super delegates will choose. They have too look at electability and strategy, and August is light years away.

If Mr. Obama continues his downward trend in the polls and in public perception as the weaker candidate, the supers will throw their support behind Hillary. That is the reason they are there. Since Obama came on the scene people voted with their feelings and their hearts , not their heads. They are political experts who must steer the country and the electorate in the proper direction.

Unfortunately, any general election matchup poll prior to October or so is essentially useless because there is no way of knowing whether the dem voters will unite or not behind the nominee. The point being made by Penn and other analysts is simple: if the dems do not unite behind Obama, he will not beat McCain based on electoral majority. There is an interesting analysis that shows the black voting bloc (12% of the country) overwhelmingy has supported democratic candidates in every election in recent history (Kerry, Gore, Clinton, and so on) but the white male electorate (1/3) have tilted the electoral votes in southern states that have large black voting blocs in favor of Reps with the exception of Bill Clinton's runs. Kerry ignored the white male vote in the southern states and Gore couldnt carry them - both liberals. The fact is, based on the analyst's statement: no Rep or Dem has ever been placed in the WH by the black voting bloc. It takes a combination of votes combined with the white majority to win... period. The fact that the dems have only won 3 presidential elections against the reps in the last 40 years is not surprising is it? What it will take is a united dem party and that does not exist. Clinton, having the dem core voters, has the best chance even without Obama supporters because the dem party is so much larger than the rep party right now in terms of support. However, the indies being 44% of the electorate this year make their bloc significant. On the dem side, it looks like the libs support Obama and the moderates support Clinton. This bloc can easily swing the election between the dems and reps because they are not party loyal. Clinton and McCain are both moderates... Obama is liberal. All things considered... Penn is right.

Penn was apparently quoted out of context. His analysis is similar to many other experts on electability. Without the hype, I will try to break it down:

Clinton has the dem core voters who are party loyal. The only loyal dem voters who support Obama are the liberal latte. The state contests show a distinct result:

Obama cannot win the electoral majority in Nov without Clinton supporters.

Clinton is already carrying the electoral majority without Obama supporters.

What he said was related to the above facts. If Obama is the nominee, he must somehow suddenly get the support of 75% or more of the dem core to beat McCain. These are simple statistical facts based on all the variables.

This is more a talking point for the SDs than the voters but it will influence the core dem voters who have not voted yet which may result in strong Clinton wins. Ultimately, it is the SDs that will tip the election either way in combination with the will of the voters, not in spite of them.

It is a close race, anything can happen, let the nomination process playout and let the remaining voters participate including MI and FL.

This is the reality that the America must face this time: Obama will win the nomination, McCain will win the General Election. America, especially the poor African-America, will lose the next four year, even eight years! As mentioned in this article, African-America is the base of democrat party. Unfortunately, they are not the base of America. This is the real fate! Unfortunately!

Komrade Darrell says

"A House Divided Against Itself shall Not Stand,"

Buddy. Hillary feels she is ENTITLED to sole possession of the house.

She gonna burn it down before she lets Obama in.

The dilemma the Clinton camp has, is that is has to DESTROY Obama. But if they go too far, they get screwed too.

Here is the way one Insider has called it:

"If the Clinton people knee-cap Obama, it would be like killing Santa Claus Xmas morning in front of the children. The children won't forget or forgive."

So all the 'children' i.e., the young voters, independents and disillusioned Republicans will have a grudge to hold HARD against HRC.

But this OK too with team Hillary. Because they can still challenge McCain in 2012.

Jay,
Dont yu feel silly now ?

"Obama canceled his campaign stop this morning at a PA college claiming he had to be in Washington. Maybe the audience was so small"-jay

Looks like Obama McCain and Clinton all had to be in washington !

You look very very silly!

I'm with you Wilhem. How can Obama claim to be a Christian with this kinda preacher & guidance? That is not the word of God spewing out of the mouth of his preacher. God does not put up with this type of propaganda in his house (if it's truly a house of God & not a cult). I'm leaning towards a cult especially after reading up on his church. I would never subject my children to this type of hatred. Talking about being racist- this is like a school teaching racism on Sunday morning.

I don't think Hillary is running so people "like" her. She is running to do a job.

You know what Mitch they are doing this for Billy Boy and you know this as will as I do she knows jack ---- about the way a war is run----- except to vote to go to war