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Clinton Says Obama Muslim Rumor Not True "As Far As I Know"
March 02, 2008 11:03 PM
Interesting item starting to circulate on the web tonight like on AndrewSullivan.com…
On 60 Minutes, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, was asked about rumors that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, is a Muslim.
She took a hardline stance against the rumor…then seemed to walk it back, injecting a note of ambivalence.
Watch it HERE.
Here's how the exchange went.
STEVE KROFT: You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?
HILLARY CLINTON: Of course not. I mean that's, you know, that, there is no basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says, and, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.
KROFT: You said you take Sen. Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim...
CLINTON: Right, right..
KROFT: …you don't believe that he's a Muslim.
CLINTON: No! No! Why would I? There's nothing to base that on. As far as I know.
"As far as I know"?
To be fair, Clinton went on to say that having "been the target of so many ridiculous rumors... I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time."
That said, it's the "as far as I know" that has some Obama supporters up in arms.
(Like the one who posted the clip on Youtube under the header: "Hillary Clinton Stokes False Rumors about Obama's Faith".)
I guess the question is how would this look if the shoe were on the other foot.
Let's try just one of any number of ridiculous anti-Clinton smears.
HYPOTHETICAL STEVE KROFT: You don't believe that Senator Clinton killed Vince Foster?
HYPOTHETICAL BARACK OBAMA: Of course not. I mean that's, you know, that, there is no basis for that. You know, I take her on the basis of what she says, and, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.
HYPOTHETICAL KROFT: You said you take Sen. Clinton at her word that she didn't kill Vince Foster...
HYPOTHETICAL OBAMA: Right, right..
HYPOTHETICAL KROFT: …you don't believe that she killed Vince Foster.
HYPOTHETICAL OBAMA: No! No! Why would I? There's nothing to base that on. As far as I know.
Hmm.
And lest we forget this context, from the perspective of Obama supporters: two Clinton campaign volunteer coordinators in Iowa were asked by the Clinton campaign to resign after it came out that they had circulated those insane Obama-is-a-Muslim-Manchurian-candidate emails.
What say you?
- jpt
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Coming from a strong Obama supporter and a Hillary hater at the same time, this article is extremely rediculous.
Posted by: Kip | Mar 12, 2008 1:59:26 AM
Gimme a break...only people who are REALLY reaching would see anything wrong with what she said. Pathetic.
Posted by: Wendy | Mar 7, 2008 4:23:40 AM
The last sentence of Article VI of the Constitution of the United States of America:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Posted by: daves | Mar 6, 2008 4:42:03 PM
There's been a whole lot of activity by neo-nazis spreading this stuff about Obama being a Muslim and and an unpariotic terrorist sympathizer. It's all over the internet and church and factory parking lots are being leafletted with it, tee shirts being sold with it. And some of it's bringing up Charlie Manson's vision of Helter Skelter - the impending world wide race war. I can't understand why the media isn't exposing these people and how dangerous it is to play with this fire.
Posted by: freedom | Mar 6, 2008 3:49:59 AM
It's not a question of Obama being ashamed of his heritage, it's the way his heritage is used as a weapon. After years of being told that we are at war with Islamist facism, it is an obvious attempt to stir up racism when someone uses Barack's name and claims that he is a Muslim.
Posted by: Jackie | Mar 5, 2008 10:15:25 PM
I cannot honestly see anything wrong with what she said! She was asked/baited the same ridiculous question 3 times, and she said "no" 3 times. If someone repeatedly asks me the same question, around the third time of answering it, I could definitely see saying "...as far as I know." As far as she knows, he is not a Muslim (or an astronaut or a sushi chef, where are just as (ir)relevant); she doesn't think he is and doesn't have reason to believe he is.
What she SHOULD have said in response is: "What does Barack Obama's religion have to do with my OR his qualifications to be the president of the US? Ask me about my health care plan."
Posted by: Adam | Mar 4, 2008 9:44:00 PM
Only losers like Clinton's hard core supporters think these snide comments would be beneficial to her. You would think there would be someone in this world who could confirm such an idiotic story.
He went to a Catholic elem school and a fine Christian prep school where he was in the jock clique. Students attended chapel there. Why would he radically convert while attending Ivy League schools thereafter? Some people are just jealous and resort to this crap...pathetic losers.
Posted by: bluetorch | Mar 4, 2008 5:08:18 PM
Your comment: “...two Clinton campaign volunteer coordinators in Iowa were asked by the Clinton campaign to resign after it came out that they had circulated those insane Obama-is-a-Muslim-Manchurian-candidate emails” reminded me that the Clinton campaign’s original, repeated response to those emails was that they were "an obvious right-wing hit job." I don’t suppose the campaign has since recanted this. The problem is, Hillary’s history contains so many lies that it all becomes white noise. “Obviously, I wouldn’t be in this race if I didn’t care for the people of this county...” Give me a break!
Posted by: John M. | Mar 4, 2008 5:00:20 PM
I think Steve Kroft was trying to make Hillary gossip. How else can a person respond to gossip -- she didn't want to sound offensive to Steve Kroft's intelligence. Steve Kroft should be asking personal questions of the person involved. This speaks to Steve Kroft and not Hillary. This would not be happennig if Obama had been strong enough to accept his heritage.
Posted by: Voter | Mar 4, 2008 11:49:23 AM
I am surprised that the Hillary bashers are picking up on these slim pickings. What she could have said was "Look, the rumors are not baseless and Barack has a rich heritage which includes Muslim -- people want to know and Barack is the only one who can answer these questions". Well Barack did by saying that the rumors are baseless like we are living in a different planet! I cannot understand why he is so ashamed of his heritage!
Posted by: Voter | Mar 4, 2008 11:44:07 AM
No one disputes that Obama is a Christian but we all saw the shame from Obama when he pretended that the rumors were baseless. A man who cannot recognize his heritage or his past cannot lead. The rumors have a reason and the person who needs to address that is Obama without shame.
Posted by: Voter | Mar 4, 2008 11:39:25 AM
For someone who has spent so much time being attacked unfairly all of her political life, I cannot believe that HRC would be able to smear another person so easily. It shows a tremendous lack of character.
There is also a pretty good argument that HRC would have a hell of a lot more ability to attest AGAINST Obama's being a muslim (Hello? Don't you ever see him eating pork out on the trail? Do you ever catch him praying furtively to Mecca in the green room prior to a debate?) Arguably, HRC knows Obama better now and sees him more than she sees her husband. This is shameful.
Posted by: James Peykanu | Mar 4, 2008 10:39:19 AM
Kroft needed to ask her that at least seven or eight more times just to be real clear on her answer.
Do you believe Steve Kroft is a hack? No, of course not. So Steve Kroft isn't a hack? No, no... Wait. Steve Kroft: hack or not? Well...
Posted by: Slomo | Mar 4, 2008 3:44:30 AM
Hussein prays to Mecca 4 times a day. Sounds like a muslim to me.
Posted by: sluggo | Mar 4, 2008 2:54:38 AM
According to the Chicago Tribune, Clinton phonebankers in Ohio are calling Obama "Osama bin Laden" and then claiming it is a "slip of the tongue."
Posted by: julie | Mar 4, 2008 2:50:31 AM
Hillary as far as she knows he is not muslam,short of calling on god how would she know.Maybe if she asks god to send down the celestial choir the Obamanites will feel so much better on her choice of words.She said there was no bases for believing he was.Of course this does try to blow it up to take some heat off Obama and his Nafta and Rezko melt downs now doesnt it.
Posted by: girlinvt | Mar 4, 2008 2:10:51 AM
Obama can't be a muslim, he has an Irish name! Hussein is an Irish name right?
The answer to this is real simple!! If he is a Christian let him condemn the Jihad the muslim fanatics have been using against the USA for the last 35 years. Or you could just condemn the people that have doubt!! Steve Kroft is all knowing!! I am sure !!
Posted by: Bill Bordeaux | Mar 3, 2008 7:50:28 PM
Now we see pure Rovian politics at work. Good job Hillary! Keep sliming till you are out of it. Then go back to being New Yorks's problem>
Posted by: John Nolan | Mar 3, 2008 6:05:58 PM
As far as I know, doesn't mean anything more than that here. I am for niether candidate. That is I havn't decided so I am not being bias here. It seems that she was simply stating the fact that she has not seen heard or witness anything that would make her think or belive otherwise. Some people need to be better educated on understanding terms.
Posted by: Linda | Mar 3, 2008 5:52:38 PM
Dear Spock,
Jeremiah Wright, the pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, is obviously a Christian. Neither he nor Barack Obama has ever been a Muslim. Please refrain from spreading pure lies, and check your facts before making outlandish claims.
As Barack Obama has said on numerous occasions, these lies insult not only Obama's own convictions but the convictions of millions of peaceful Muslims whose religion is being exploited to scare people.
Hillary Clinton needs to do much more to denounce and reject this shameful politics of fear and deceit.
Posted by: Joe | Mar 3, 2008 4:54:49 PM
After this comment, I would probably vote for McCain. She's just so divisive which he really isn't. He actually has been a uniter. I hope Obama creams her tomorrow. and BTW I really am not a Hillary hater. I'm just so disappointed.
Posted by: Nestor | Mar 3, 2008 4:47:25 PM
I heard that comment and thought the same thing?? Very devisive is Hillary -- I also heard Bob Shrum say that when Hillary comes back -- and Bush wonder who is predicting gas at $4.00 a gallon -- just where are they coming from?? Do they think that people cannot read, listen and decide on their own -- that is what the change is that the Clinton campaign cannot understand -- it's people actually taking an interest and people who cannot be fooled into believing campaign drivel anymore -- enough is enough! March 4th should decide that. The Clinton backers keep moving the goal posts, but the American people are smart enough to see it for what it is.
Posted by: Paulet | Mar 3, 2008 4:41:20 PM
Actually Hillary Clinton has united white males, white females, Hispanics, Jews (see today's NY Post),Catholics, Asians, and others in a coalition against the fraud Obama.
Posted by: geevill | Mar 3, 2008 4:34:48 PM
All Hillary does is divide American people, hence divide the country unti everyone is ready to kill their next door neighbour because they are not of the right colour, right race ,right religion, or even right gender for that matter. She tried her tricks: blacks against whites, blacks against Latinos, Muslims agains jews , man against women and the list goes on and on. When is this woman going to stop this divisive nonsense??? Maybe until she gets her nomination than she will stop??? Shame on Her and Her Campaign.
Posted by: Patty | Mar 3, 2008 4:25:56 PM
Give me a break, he goes to a church with a Muslim preacher, duh doesn't that makes him Muslim. What is he afraid of admitting!
Posted by: spock | Mar 3, 2008 4:20:42 PM
I guess Obama doesn't know he is a muslim or not until Hillary answers the question first. Why should that be any different from his other respones?
Posted by: geevill | Mar 3, 2008 4:19:01 PM
So fa as "I" know!!
Shame on You Hillary!
Your Deceptions Were Described By DOJ Prosecutors as Felonies!
You were projecting on Barak Obama your own misconduct when you said "You have been spreading false, misleading, discredited information”.
You began deceiving the public and the government in 2000 about your top Senate campaign donor and "friend" Peter Paul when you TWICE lied in the Washington Post about taking any money from Paul AFTER you and Bill took more than $1.2 million from him (according to the FBI and DOJ Prosecutor).
Days later after vowing not to take money from Paul you faxed him on your Senate Campaign letterhead demanding he contribute an additional $100,000 in untraceable securities by illegally wiring it to a state committee supporting your candidacy.
You were right when you stated "The American people got shafted and (you're) going to have to make up for it."
You subverted three federal investigations to avoid your accountability and used your finance director as a foil to avoid your prosecution for the offenses he was improperly charged with.
DOJ Prosecutor Dan Schwager told the criminal jury in the election law fraud trial of your finance director David Rosen, in May 2005, that the basis of the government's prosecution was the crime of “denying the public's right to know that Peter Paul personally gave...more than $1.2 million..to your national campaign.”
You and your agents have denied the public the right to know that fact ever since August 2000!
You used deception about that fact to win your election and re-election in 2006. You have denied the public's right to know who your largest donor was, how much he gave you and why.
The facts on the public record show that you have subverted: the Office of The President, through Bill Clinton, by using the Oval Office to commit felony violations of the campaign laws, the Department of Justice Office of Public Integrity through its Chief, Noel Hillman who set up a sham indictment and a show trial intended to cover up your illegalities, the federal judiciary through Howard Matz, the judge you appointed with Bill Clinton as co-president, who threw the Rosen trial with outrageous statements to the jury denying your involvement and the FEC itself through a fraudulent settlement that was based on a fourth false FEC report that gave you immunity from investigation!.
Its time to tell the truth at long last- File a True FEC Report That Finally Admits What the DOJ and FBI Have Sworn- You Took More than $1.2 Million in Contributions From Peter Paul and Have Hidden it From The Public ever Since!
Posted by: Martha Davidson | Mar 3, 2008 4:09:34 PM
Clinton could have said, "No, Obama is a Christian, we all know he is a Christian, and I denounce and reject anyone who insinuates otherwise."
Instead . . . she refused to categorically denounce the slander, and in true blue Clinton fashion turned the matter into how many times she has been smeared.....
The Clintons will do anything and say anything, and have no shame at all.
Clear as day.
Posted by: Joe Shmoe | Mar 3, 2008 3:48:49 PM
I find it funny how the same Clinton supporters that said Obama wasn't strong enough on "rejecting" Farrakon, are now saying that this is a non-issue. They say the MSM is attacking Hillary and not being fair and balanced. This reporter seems to just want to hold Hillary up to the same standards that she set in the debate. If your going to make a big deal about denounce and reject, the door should be open for people to inspect the phrases you use.
Posted by: Ben | Mar 3, 2008 3:43:58 PM
What a non-story. First, she said "of course not" and then if you watch the video you can almost imagine what she's thinking of the question...
"Why did he ask me that again after I answered once?"
"Is this some joke? Is there something else to this?"
"How the *&%@ should *I* know? Why don't they ask him?"
"How am I supposed to know if he is or isn't"
"Is this dumb reporter trying to get me to swear on a bible that Obama isn't Muslim? Seems a bit illogical..."
"Does he really think I might answer with a yes?"
"What a ridiculous question to ask... twice!"
Yup, pretty much a non-story... the story should be, why did they ask her this question... TWICE even?
Posted by: Roger | Mar 3, 2008 3:27:19 PM
HEEEELLLLOO. He asked her THREE TIMES!!! How the heck was she suppose to respond to that?????
Posted by: IG | Mar 3, 2008 3:25:58 PM
sugested obama career choices
politician
stage psychic
astrologer
show pony
Posted by: concerned | Mar 3, 2008 3:17:14 PM
One of the most interesting things about Obama in this race is how smooth he is on just about every question that gets thrown his way, but the second anything gets suggested about him and Islam he gets super, super antsy, goes on the defensive, and falls over tripping to disassociate himself with anything Muslim. That's really telling. Not telling because he is a follower of Islam and doesn't admit it, but telling because it is such a 360 turn from his rhetoric of uniting the country and beleiving in the power of diversity. If he really took the high ground like he said he does, he wouldn't have to act so scared and devisive on this issue. But instead he plays his card in a manner befitting of the lowest common denominator. His campaign is based off of pure popularity, and I guess he thinks it's just not cool to be Muslim. Just shows how little the richness of diversity means to him. Diversity is great when it means votes for the popular guy, but not so great when it means really, really having to take a stand. Change you can believe in? Don't buy it. Change as a slogan to get votes? Well, if it walks like a duck...
As for Hillary, she's got a lot on her mind these days and testifying to Obama's religious convictions really isn't high on the list. It was an inappropriate question to ask her, she gave the type of answer that anyone would give in her situation. It is not Hillary Clinton's job to go around advocating for and defending Obama. No candidate should be expected to do that for another candidate. She is running for President, not as Obama's best friend. I've never heard anyone ask Obama to take up for her. This is a very DUMB article.
Posted by: K | Mar 3, 2008 2:45:27 PM
Ms. Clinton's reply, as evasive as she usually is,completely cements the case that she is totally and utterly unfit for the office of President of the United States of Amerca.Was this man not the one whom she was honoured to sit next two a few eeks ago and now sowing doubt regarding his religion, as if that s were any business of her's, your's or mine? Please Hillary, please just shut up and go away. Give America a break. We've had enough of the Clintons to last a lifetime!
Posted by: Brount | Mar 3, 2008 2:43:58 PM
Do you really mean to suggest that one should deny the suggestion he is a Muslim with the same ferocity that one should deny the suggestion he is a murderer?
How do you suppose Muslim Americans feel about that kind of back-handed slam?
Posted by: TomChicago | Mar 3, 2008 1:06:13 PM
Hillary is the master of wordsmithing to avoid making a commitment. It's almost like listenting to Bill when she speaks... Anyone else notice this?
Earlier this week, she failed to 'denounce and reject' the support of the supporter that made racist comments, instead she "rejected and denounced her *comments*". Hillary, and all the baggage the Clinton Fraud and Scandal Machine brings with her, will drag this country down further than it is now.
Posted by: Allen | Mar 3, 2008 11:39:45 AM
Was doesn't Steve Kroft just ask Obama instead of browbeating Hillary Clinton- repeating the question 3 times like Vincent D'Onofrio.
Posted by: geevill | Mar 3, 2008 11:35:27 AM
The democrats are falling into the Republicans hand because as long as the race goes on it gives them ideas on how John McCain can beat either Hillary or Obama in NOVEMBER. Why do you think the Florida governor is now suggesting he will redo the race. This is all to help John McCain win..wake up Democrats and Hillary get out of the race.
Posted by: betty | Mar 3, 2008 11:16:37 AM
Is Clinton simply incapable of answering a straightforward question with a straightforward answer? Why is that so difficult for her to do?
Posted by: Tom J | Mar 3, 2008 10:50:26 AM
Why does everyone have to be so poltically correct when talking about the Obamanation.It seems this entire week was spent trying not offend Obama and using words that Obama would feel comfortable with. There is no need to attack Hillary-she did not call Obama a Muslim. It was Steve Kroft who raised it and why doesn`t someone ask why he raised it since nobody in the media has ever said that Obama was a Muslim.And anyone who attacks Hillary for those innocuous remarks just doesn`t like Hillary.
Also it is obvious that you get your marching orders from Matt Drudge who highlighted it on his web site.
Posted by: Reba Shimansky | Mar 3, 2008 10:41:19 AM
Along the lines of saying that Putin has no soul. Now, she is a great spiritual leader?
Like Putin said: " You'd have to have a head to be head of state."
Posted by: JB | Mar 3, 2008 10:25:32 AM
oh, and i do think this is a silly article. the dude should not have repeated his questions, he was simply looking to have her say something dumb, and she did. he was definitely going after her, rather than being objective. but, that's what sells i guess.
Posted by: jim | Mar 3, 2008 10:12:47 AM
"Supporting Hillary Clinton at this point is to blindly hold on to the desire to have the first female President."
Well, that's not a bad hope... It would be great to see a woman president. But I feel bad for those with such a hope, since Hillary has been run such a bad campaign. I mean, she IS smart and she DOES have ideas... I personally just don't trust her because of her history and her seeming to feel entitled to the job. Too many scandals, and too much of the same garbage politics, taking away from the good stuff she brings to the table.
Posted by: jim | Mar 3, 2008 10:10:23 AM
You know I’m so disappointed in the Democratic race because it seems no matter how hard Obama tries between the media and Hillary Clinton and her desperate attempt to make Obama look black at the same that she’s plays on woman voter’s mostly white women voters by using the scare tactics. It is clear to me when listening to shows like Morning Joe and Saturday Night Live, Hardball that Clinton is getting her way by wining about the media is mistreating me. I’m so sick of her, sick of her and Bill’s dirty tactics.
I believe the Republican Party now that they are a dirty political machine. I should never supported Bill Clinton during his justify impeachment.
Black American we should learn our lesson now that a Black can not be President of the United State because the United States is still not a place where true freedom can raise because if OBAMA does not become President when will we get a Black President? WHEN? OR is Bill Clinton and Now Hillary Clinton our only chance at the President seat.. This makes me sick..
Well Black American and all the other American who feel this unjustified please raise up because now is the time.
I think we should have civil rights movement against the President seat discriminating against Obama because he is Black.
AND ANOTHER THING WHY DO HISPANIC VOTER THINK THAT A WHITE PERSON WOULD BE BETTER THAN A BLACK PERSON WHEN THE HISPANIC HAS AFRICAN AMERICAN IN THERE RACE.. GIVE ME A BREAK. IF THE HISPANIC RACE THINKS THAT SOMEHOW A WHITE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO DO BETTER FOR THEM THAN A BLACK PRESIDENT THAN ASK THEM WHY THEY HAVEN’T GOTTEN ANYWHERE.
A HISPANIC DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT CANDIATE WILL NEED AFRICAN AMERICAN TO WIN ONE DAY AND IF THEY TURN THERE BACKS NOW ON A FINALLY A MINORITY GETTING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE THERE CHANCES FADES TOO!
Posted by: betty | Mar 3, 2008 9:58:45 AM
Supporting Hillary Clinton at this point is to blindly hold on to the desire to have the first female President. She has lost it time and time again, her personality changing like the wind. If it weren't for her feminist band of supporters, who would seem to support her for President even if she murdered someone, she would not even be in the running in Ohio and Texas...it's time to look past Hillary and find a new female candidate to be President in 8 years from now...
Posted by: Mark | Mar 3, 2008 9:53:30 AM
And lest we forget these emails were all over the Internets BEFORE the Clinton campaign workers ever circulated the emails.
Anyone that spends any time at all online, had seen these emails long before the campaign ever started. It's OLD NEWS and Steve Kroft was a real jerk to even ask Hillary about this issue.
Typical MSM CRAP trying to make Hillary look bad. Will it ever end?
Posted by: Vickie | Mar 3, 2008 9:21:48 AM
I watched 60 minutes and what she said was absolutely appauling! Her camp gave that picture to the Drudge report and she knows it! It sickens me to see another democrat treat her fellow democrat this way. She doesn't deserve to be President of the US. She sounds more like a REPUBLICAN!
Posted by: Renee | Mar 3, 2008 9:08:29 AM
Stop the Clinton dynasty once
and for all. Their primary goal
has always been personal gain from
gaining public office. They have
done very well amassing a fortune
of over $50,000,000 from sources
that they won't disclose. Surely
the fact that they won't release
their tax return until "she secures
the nomination," speaks volumes.
Bill will use the White House to
continue his own agenda. When he
pardoned 140 felons the day
before leaving office he lost my
trust once and for all. She "knew
nothing about that," of course.
No more Clintons please.
Posted by: Luke Gilmore | Mar 3, 2008 9:02:36 AM
It appears to me to be more sympathy for Obama. He is being picked on unfairly, according to his camp, when I think they played the race card in South Carolina to ignite their black vote. The picture of him in Muslim-looking dress came from his own documentary, and his ME name Hussein is an honorable name in world affairs. Each possible point for prejudice has been played by his own camp to dredge up anger and sympathy.
Your hypotheticals with Hillary are more fuel to their fire to whip up a sympathy for their candidate. Who has suffered the brunt of this kind of outrageous name-calling? Ask the Obama camp. They can have it both ways. Hillary has been called every kind of insult imaginable in the media, television, print, and the internet. Just look at some of your blogs.
AS FAR AS I KNOW! What does that mean? Why, it's an honest answer but, look at it now. It's another little point to drum up sympathy.
Do you think that will divert attention from double-talk to the people in Ohio and the Canadians, or divert attention from a 17-year relationship with Rezko?
Posted by: georgia | Mar 3, 2008 8:56:46 AM
Hillary the Hypocrite. Barack Obama is forced ad nauseum to "denounce and reject" for days on end, but when Hillary's supporter Adelfa Callejo made a statement that Hispanics won't vote for Barack Obama because he's black, Hillary becomes slick and evasive and makes superficial comments about free speech. Her campaign disgusts me. If somehow she wheedles and whines and lies her way to the Democratic nomination I will sit this election out.
Posted by: Brenna | Mar 3, 2008 8:55:41 AM
As far as I know, the Rezko trial begins today.
We shall see, what we shall see.
Posted by: Ken | Mar 3, 2008 8:43:13 AM
I think, after all that has happened over the course of the election, with Clinton's own staffers spreading a rumor that Obama is Muslim, the leaked photo, and the backlash from equivocal comments in SC, Clinton should have known enough to answer this one clearly. It required a simple, direct answer -- "no, I don't believe he's a Muslim" -- and it would have been over. The reporter pressed her because she was ambiguous in her answer. She left it open to court votes, but this also encourages racism, xenophobia, and fear-mongering against Muslims. A presidential candidate, as Clinton herself noted in the last debate, needs to be firm to put such things to rest. She can't even live up to her own ethics. I'm terribly disappointed in her response and in the way her campaign has encouraged these rumors.
Posted by: marla | Mar 3, 2008 8:40:59 AM
Are you actually implying that being Muslim and being a murderer are moral equivalents? That you would dignify the Vince Foster garbage by even using it as grist for a hypothetical exchange is detestable and sickening.
Posted by: Leslie | Mar 3, 2008 8:27:54 AM
Obama's not a Muslim. But there's nothing wrong with being Muslim anyway. It's a helluva lot better than being a Fundamantalist Christian. Now THOSE people are scary.
Posted by: wilder5121 | Mar 3, 2008 8:21:29 AM
How much Hillary's multiple personality disorder is a reflection of the candidate herself or of the people running her campaign is difficult to say. But the Democratic party itself must bear much of the blame. Its adulation of the Clintons went to her head. It bred complacency and a sense of entitlement. The campaign expected an easy win and had no real plan of action beyond Super Tuesday. Since the first Obama surge, Mrs Clinton and her advisers have seemed in shock, vacillating between insisting that everything is still on track and desperately reaching for another personality for the candidate to try on.
Mrs Clinton was never as strong a contender as her courtiers had led her to think. Her claim of vast experience – the crux of her campaign – was contestable at the very least. Once the campaign began, her husband was likely to be as much a liability as an asset, and so it proved. She proudly exemplified a kind of politics (“I’m a fighter”) that many Americans had had enough of. In Mr Obama she turned out to be facing an exceptional opponent, with all the novelty and authenticity she lacked. And then, if all that were not enough, her campaign, once rattled, was woefully managed.
Bearing all this is mind, the real surprise may not be that she is on the point of defeat, but that she still retains – for one more day, at least – some small chance of succeeding.
Posted by: Dr. Spock | Mar 3, 2008 8:21:11 AM
People - Obama was born to a muslim father. He attended islamic schools as a child with his stepfather. He has surrounded himself with advisors who are either muslim or support extremist groups such as Hamas. Look into the background of Soros, Zogby, Brzezinski, Malley. Look at his close friend and pastor Jeremiah Wright and their support for Louis Farrahkan. People WAKE UP!
Posted by: cmarie83 | Mar 3, 2008 8:10:45 AM
Al-Qa'ida said that Mr. Obama is NOT a Muslim - on their forums - right around the time that the 'picture' of Mr. Obama was released to the press.
They also said that they don't like him - because he is an American politician.
Leave it to Al-Qaida - to straighten out the issue and thank you, MSNBC, for reporting the story.
Posted by: redcat | Mar 3, 2008 8:07:52 AM
"As far as I know..."
How can anyone support this woman?
Posted by: wgh | Mar 3, 2008 8:04:00 AM
Why is it that just before every primary there is some silly story put out there that seems to want to flame the fires against Hillary?
It looks as if these things are planted just before each primary to damage Hillary, it really is strange that if anyone sits and think about it there has not been a primary that there is not the same talk of " look what Hillary said or did" just before people go out to cast their votes.
Posted by: SJ | Mar 3, 2008 7:55:06 AM
If she'd just said "Of course not" and left it at that, that would've been fine. But when she follows it up with things like "I take him on the basis of what he says" and "There's nothing to base that on. As far as I know" she implies that she has no knowledge of any evidence either way and is just taking him at his word, and you know, maybe he's lying. Now there's no way she's not aware he's a practicing Christian with 20 years membership of the same church - so why the ambivalence?
Maybe we're reading too much into it, but even if we are, I'd expect a potential President to be able to answer questions unambiguously if they wanted to. Either way, whether she's deliberately being ambivalent or accidentally, it's not good.
Posted by: Aengil | Mar 3, 2008 7:05:44 AM
Not only would Obama make a far better president, but he will also fix your computer -
Posted by: Sue Martin | Mar 3, 2008 6:53:12 AM
Hillary had a golden opportunity to set the record straight-- not just on Obama but on how much being a Muslim should not matter, that Muslim is not the equivilency of terrorist or even enemy of the American people and to think in those terms is prejudiced and undemocratic. Frankly, her failure in this makes her look like a certain brand of Republican, reinforencing that she quietly enjoys the benefit religious smearing has afforded her. Grostesque.
Posted by: SE Croft | Mar 3, 2008 6:52:19 AM
"The last thing we need is another inexperienced president right now."
I still wonder what experience other presidents have had going into office. Clinton supporters claim that Bill was one of our greatest presidents, yet he was only a governor, like Bush... McCain supporters hail Regan, but he was also only a governor, and an actor before that. This experience argument gets weaker and weaker when you look at those two alone.
Posted by: jim | Mar 3, 2008 6:41:47 AM
Re. the attempt to smear Senator Obama with his association with "Muslim" and the snarky remarks about the middle name that was foisted on him by his father at birth:
In old tyme England, a noble who went against the King would have his lands confiscated. In addition, to put the "fear of God" into people, the king would forbid that noble's sons and grandsons from being able to ever own land. This is what was behind the concept of "corruption of blood."
The Founding Fathers of this country did not believe in the concept of "corruption of blood." That's why they wrote in the constitution that there "will be no corruption of blood." The Founding Fathers did not believe that the "sins of the fathers" should be visited on the sons.
I beg all who read this posting to please judge Senator Obama on his own greatness.
Peace.
Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 3, 2008 6:15:19 AM
There are few places where fair and balanced journalism exists anymore.
We now have unfair, imbalanced journalism.
Hillary is the most qualified candidate, and more than deserves to be in this race.
She is the candidate who would govern our country most effectively and efficiently at this time.
She has the best economic and health care plans.
The best course of action for our country would be for her to be our next president so she can fix our problems, and then Barack can be president when he has more experience and is more qualified.
The Clintons are loved around the world. I have heard as much from international blogs.
She would bring hope and change much faster than Barack. He has too much to learn yet.
The last thing we need is another inexperienced president right now.
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 3, 2008 5:54:26 AM
hillary has overstayed her welcome in this race
Posted by: John Rawlings | Mar 3, 2008 5:36:11 AM
Such hate and garbage, all vile and disgusting and all of you are just as guilty as Hillary or Obama for participating in it. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU! YOU ARE ALL HILLARY AND YOU ARE ALL OBAMA, WE ARE ONE PEOPLE and apparently from these posts we are in a screwed up vicious backstabbing hypocritical, loveless, almost lifeless world. IT'S A VERY SAD DAY IN AMERICA!
Posted by: JJ | Mar 3, 2008 4:29:21 AM
Why don't you pay attention to her first direct answer:
STEVE KROFT: You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?
HILLARY CLINTON: Of course not. I mean that's, you know, that, there is no basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says, and, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.
It's all said right there.
I don't even see why he asked her more.
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 3, 2008 4:23:16 AM
Now she's not supposed to smile?
If she wasn't smiling you would say she looked mean.
Barack was smiling big during his questions too.
Just how does that implicate him?
Just ask the paranoid.
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 3, 2008 4:02:43 AM
She knows from internal polling that many of her supporters, especially in rural Texas and rural Ohio, believe these Internet lies. She can't afford to lose the ignorant-white-racist vote, or she might lose Texas and Ohio. So she intentionally lets the doubt linger. She knew darn good and well what the effect of her carefully chosen words would be. She smiled the whole time, pleased to have the opportunity to reinforce the Internet lies one more time on national TV right before the election. Vile. Just vile.
Posted by: julie | Mar 3, 2008 3:42:47 AM
This doesn't even dignify a response. But I will anyway, because apparently, not much does, and at least this way there is an effort made for the greater good.
Why do you focus on the natural remark "As far as I know."
Instead of the exclamatory direct answers "Of course not,"
or "No! No!"
What do you want, some other absolute insistence that she knows?
That's how people in politics talk, Barack talks the same way.
How often do they all say, "As far as I know?"
Very often. Does it sound familiar to anyone who listens to politics?
At this point it seems that everyone involved in the campaigns and the media is sleep deprived.
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 3, 2008 3:34:20 AM
Clinton gave the sort of answer one would expect to see on SNL, complete with wink-wink, nudge-nudge and a knife in the back.
But you know...after she brought up SNL in the debate, and then appeared on the show, I'm wondering if she knows the difference between SNL and real life? Maybe she's actually delusional.
We'll see what she does on The Daily Show - Jon Stewart is certain to ask her about this 'episode'.
Posted by: Tom J | Mar 3, 2008 3:08:32 AM
Jeff, I heard there's a political news contributor position opening up at Fox. You'd be perfect for it.
Posted by: KarlR | Mar 3, 2008 2:52:53 AM
It is amazing how we Americans are talking negatively about the notion of "Obama being a Muslim"
So what if he was a Muslim, or Jew, or Mormon, or Hindu, or Buddhist? Does this change anything? Does this mean he will be able to govern outside the boundaries of the Constitution of the United States of America?
Are we saying that it slipped the mind of our founding fathers that if a non Christian was elected to the office of the presidency of the United States then the constitution will be in danger?
What kind of constitution is this?
This is a constitution that has stood the test of time including a civil war, liberation of slaves, the election of a Catholic to the presidency and his assassination, Watergate and its resignation, and Monica Lewinsky with its impeachment!
It is a shame to consider that if an American Muslim, American Hindu, American Sikh, American Mormon, American Jew, American Buddhist or any other American denomination was elected to the highest office in the land then the constitution will be in grave danger.
The constitution will be just fine. (And no this is not plagiarism. I did not borrow this from Clinton's last line in the Texas debate)
The constitution will always reflect the collective wisdom of the people of this beautiful country where any loyal American will be allowed to serve within its boundaries.
Please, let us stop this kind of talk because at the end of the day we are only dwarfing our potential.
Posted by: The Constitutionalist | Mar 3, 2008 2:43:07 AM
I think the more appropriate comparison would be instead of Vince Foster, talk about the lesbian rumor w/ her beautiful young right hand woman of Muslim decent, Huma. Both politically damaging even though it should be a "so what?" issue, but not a crime as in the murder allegation.
Posted by: Jeff | Mar 3, 2008 2:37:45 AM
Hillary's "as far as I know" leaves the question wide open to speculation.
I, myself, have used those same words when I am not sure about something. I think you could say, "as far as I know" equates to "I really don't know". SHAME ON YOU HILLARY CLINTON!!!
Hillary, you need to drop out of this Presidential race and let the country move forward. You are truly a disgrace to our democracy and to our country. Just go away and stay away. We are very tired of you and your "beat around the bush" answers to questions
presented to you. You never seem to have an honest answer.
I have concluded Hillary is mentally unstable. No sane person behaves in the manner she does.
Posted by: NinaK | Mar 3, 2008 2:27:55 AM