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“With all due respect, your article, missed the boat all together.

Ferraro just doesn't know the facts.

She must not know he's half-white, he's just dark.”
Posted by: Tom

Dear Tom with all due respect, most all of us African Americans have white blood in us, that does not make us white. Even Holly Berry (Oscar winner) whose mother is white, is considered a black women in our community. We are proud of her but she is half white. Most of us AA are the descendants of slaves something Obama knows nothing about, since his black roots are from the African Continents and not the America’s. So believe me Ferraro knows her facts and she is right in what she says. I might add if Obama was an American born black (meaning descent of slaves) he would not be where he is now.

Ferraro's comments could likewise be applied to Clinton: If HRC were a man, did not have a history-making aspect to her candidacy by virtue of her gender and her role as a former first lady, would she be where she is? Is her public service record really THAT impressive? Or, in the alternative, would anybody really be looking at her twice if her last name were SMITH or JONES? Really, now.

In my judgment, Clinton is intelligent & ambitious, but otherwise unremarkable. She is not unlike countless other strong, bright, motivated women in other professions. Obama is also intelligent & ambitious, but is quite remarkable. He has, in an incredibly abbreviated time period, been able to create positive perceptions in voters about who he is, who we are, what we can do, and where we should go as a country. This is truly remarkable because he is so young, and was vitually unknown just a couple years ago, not because he is black. Black is just a matter of fact (hey, that rhymes!)

Ferraro's proposition that Obama's advantage(race)is greater than Clinton's advantage (gender)is not supported by fact. And how could you even measure that, anyway? This is just Ferraro's interpretation...her way to explain a phenomenon. To dismiss Obama's entire political existence in the national arena or attribute it to him being "lucky" to be black is beyond absurd.

Frankly, I think Ferraro's frustrations and those of HRC & her supporters stem from the belief that Obama does not deserve the nomination for one reason: he has not "paid his dues" yet; age-ism pure and simple.

It was obviously a calculated strategy because she said the same thing about Jesse Jackson in 1988.

"If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race," she said.
Really. The cite is an April 15, 1988 Washington Post story (byline: Howard Kurtz),

Here's the full context:
Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don't ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his "radical" views, "if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."

Asked about this at a campaign stop in Buffalo, Jackson at first seemed ready to pounce fiercely on his critics. But then he stopped, took a breath, and said quietly, "Millions of Americans have a point of view different from" Ferraro's.

Discussing the same point in Washington, Jackson said, "We campaigned across the South . . . without a single catcall or boo. It was not until we got North to New York that we began to hear this from Koch, President Reagan and then Mrs. Ferraro . . . . Some people are making hysteria while I'm making history."

“Would Ferraro dare to say that Clinton got where she got because she was the wife of the president?
Would Ferraro dare to say that Clinton (Clinton, not 1980 Geraldine) got where she was because she is a woman?”
Posted by: Yves
In fact she did! It was during the same speech she gave when she mentioned about Obama. You don’t hear the Media or the Obama camp saying anything about that. Obama’s people clearly spin everything to be about race when it is their favor.
Gerry said, clearly in that same speech when ask about Hilary that she undoubtedly had advantaged from being a former first Lady. Unlike herself who was put on the ticket with Mondale in 84 to help win the women vote.
Obama’s people have desperate since Hillary is clearly looking more and more presidential and they trying to use the race card to muddy her face. Well most of us including some of us African-Americans can see through him.

In fact she did! It was during the same speech she gave when she mentioned about Obama. You don’t hear the Media or the Obama camp saying anything about that. Obama’s people clearly spin everything to be about race when it is their favor.
Gerry said, clearly in that same speech when ask about Hilary that she undoubtedly had advantaged from being a former first Lady. Unlike herself who was put on the ticket with Mondale in 84 to help win the women vote.
Obama’s people have desperate since Hillary is clearly looking more and more presidential and they trying to use the race card to muddy her face. Well most of us including some of us African-Americans can see through him.

Would Ferraro dare to say that Clinton got where she got because she was the wife of the president?

Would Ferraro dare to say that Clinton (Clinton, not 1980 Geraldine) got where she was because she is a woman?

After all, it was easy for her to say, and repeat that Obama got there because he was black.

But of course not, she will not say anything like that about Hillary. But she dared to say that Obama is there because he was black.

Which prove the point that she discreminated between Obama and Hillary.

She is a racist, case in point.

And Hillary with her typical double standards doesn't do anything serious about it while decrying the monster comment (and he accepted the resignation of his advisor), while confronting Obama to denounce Farrakhan(which he did) ... which makes her accomplice to a racist.

With all due respect, your article, missed the boat all together.

Ferraro just doesn't know the facts.

She must not know he's half-white, he's just dark.

Obama is also a white guy !

Nobody gets it.

Is it some big secret !

Anyway I liked your article.

Thanks,

LOM and D, you do raise an excellent point. Here's the answer.

exit pols make clear that far more obama supporters will support clinton in the general than vice-versa. In fact, Clnton has tried to make that very sad fact a SELLING POINT. And this is consistent with campaign tactics. Clinton is making damn clear she'll take down the party to win the election. Obama -- not so much.

Does that speak to you at all? The answer to your question is that Hillary supporters do not support the party to the extent Obama supporters do. Will you take that information -- which you admit is significant -- into account when forming your opinions about this race? If not, why not?

Gerry was on the talk shows this morning. She is not part of the Clinton camp, and only serves the DNC as financial officer. The money she raises goes to the party. Not Hillary or Obama. I also understand she is Super delegate for the DNC. She said what she said was taken out of contents, during a speech she was giving concerning the DNC nomination race. She has not committed to either side.
So as she said: "resign! Resign from what I am not part of the Clinton camp"
She claims she was asked by the crowd: “why do you think a relatively unknown senator with little experience was doing so well" so she answered.
It is the Obama camp who has played the race card every time anyone says anything to criticize his campaign, or mentions his color.
He is using his race to make white people feel guilty if they don't vote for him, because he is black. I can say these things because; I am an African-American and am ashamed of the way he is playing the race card. We did the same BS when OJ was acquitted and we all knew deep down he was guilty. The madness must stop and Obama is using his color to cry foul, for being criticized.
I was proud of him until they called foul in S.C. when Bill made a comment about Jesse Jackson, which was not racist, I did not take it that way. It was a fact! So you white people who think Obama is the great Black hope! Look closer he is playing the race card every time. No one can speak their mind or their racist in the Obama camp’s eyes.

Are you Libs blinded, Obama would not be where he is if he was not Black! That is true. Why is it Racist to say that truth but yet not racist for Blacks to vote for him only because he is Black!

Libs love the Race Card!

By the way Barrack Hussein Obama must be a racist like the talk show host because he was recorded using his middle name!!

Still, are her statements the uncensored ravings of a bigot - or yet Another example of the Clinton campaign playing the race card and then saying "who, me"? Comments like Ms. Ferraro's play into the fears and resentments of some Lower-Income less educated white voters - the same voters who just so happen to be Sen. Clinton's strongest voting bloc.
Mrs. Clinton should be LUCKY she was married to an ex-president or she would not be where she is. This statement should be laughed at, and women everywhere should be embarrased.

You want to know why Obama is pulling in most of the Afican-American vote and the black folks are not voting for the wife of "the first Black President":

From the Washington Post:

The Clinton camp ended up spending nearly $7 million in South Carolina, but Obama won in a landslide. On Jan. 26, the day of the election, Penn sent an e-mail to the senior campaign staff comparing Obama's victory there to Jesse L. Jackson's two wins in the 1980s. Bill Clinton made the same comparison to reporters that day, generating even more anger among African Americans who perceived it as a way of marginalizing Obama by portraying him as a black candidate who appeals only to black voters.

As Clinton strategists woke up the next morning, they realized that the African American constituency was permanently lost to her. Only then were some of his closest former aides, such as Sosnik, former White House lawyer Cheryl D. Mills and fundraiser Terence R. McAuliffe, tapped to talk with him about reining in his rhetoric, and a daily conference call was established to try to enforce it.

BBB1961, I don't think Obama has drawn black voters in as much as the Clintons have driven them away. That is part of her strategy. Divide and conquer by marginalizing Obama as a black phenomenom...

Listen, Geraldine needs to go to sensitivity training to learn about racism. She should go, no matter how much flase indignation she portrays. She also needs to be reminded that Hillary wouldn't be where she is if Bill hadn't enjoyed her "feminine favors" at least at some point in time...

Ferraro is a prime example of the uneducated voters that Hillary brags about. I see some can even collect a thought and type them down on this feedback!

Amazing!!!!

For starters, Hillary Clinton only rejected the comments (mildly) because she knew they were wrong and would hurt her campaign. But she also knew that plenty of white people who have been desensitized to racism would not see why such a comment would anger blacks. So she took the middle road, effectively playing to the sensitivities of both sides. Too bad this won't be enough for black people who, like it or not, she will need to win in November.

Barack Obama is clearly extremely intelligent. He did not become the first black president of the Harvard Law Review because of affirmative action. He underwent a very rigorous process like everyone else and he earned the respect and trust of his peers.

He showed the same tenacity in Illinois when he was able to get legislation passed UNANIMOUSLY that had previously faced tough opposition from conservatives. (I am talking about a bill in Illinois that now requires that police officers videotape confessions and interrogations.) When he talks about reaching across the aisle and unifying people, there is a precedent. He has done it before and is the most likely to be able to do it again for the sake of this country. I would like to note that in doing this he had to reach out to people of all races and creeds--not just to blacks or whites.

Ferraro's comments deserve much more scrutiny but do not expect the Saturday Night Live affected media to actually engage in investigative journalism delve into the underlying issues of why this was and is a fundamentally racist statement.

Finally, it cannot be said enough, Obama has ELEVEN years of experience as an elected official. Hillary Clinton has SEVEN.

Wikisource has Obama's speech at an anti-war rally in Chicago in 2002, when he was in the Illinois senate. He was 100% against the war, and was very public about it.

"My point is its easy to second guess choices made by people who got more information at senate level meetings."

You do not mean People who do not read NIE and relay on what they were told ?

The differance between legslators and lay persons is, LEGISLATORS SHOULD depend on what is on the record.

I'm out for the night! We will talk more tomorrow.
Closing thought: many of us Dem's supported the Iraq war in the beginning, we were told the intelligence said that Saddam had WMD and was forming an alliance with Al Qaeda.
WE WERE LIED TOO AND AS SO WAS HILLARY!
As for Obama claims he was against it from the start, we really don't know since he was not a member of the US senate when the vote took place. So he says "I would have voted no" it is like a solider saying if I become a POW saying I would never talk! We really don't know because he was not there! TALK IS CHEAP! ACTION NOT WORDS!
GOOD NIGHT!

The Commander Guy, there is more to that to the red phone moment. As first lady, I'm sure she was there when husband took those calls at 3:00am she has seen it handled first hand.
She knows the world leaders not just from Photo op's with celeb’s but from state dinners and white house meetings. I'm not saying she had top security clearance to know everything but she was for practical purposes present at 1600 Penn Ave, when many of the world crisis’s happened.
Obama has not a clue about world affairs. He wants to meet unconditionally with our enemies and bomb our allies (Pakistan) on war on terror. If he wins the nod and a terrorist crisis happens (like a 911) before the election McCain wins! He is too much of dove to stand up to hawk like McCain if there is crisis. Hilary on the other hand is tough as nails. Americans have no doubts she can handle our security. These are just my observations. The WH is ours to lose if we nominate the wrong person.

Well I gotta problem with fools. Guess I'm showing it tonight.

Still gotta wonder why you ask the Hillary Fans to talk about the Irak war vote they go silent.

It is uncanny.

Well I'm out for tonite.

BBB1961

Mr. O has never claimed going on a photo op in an another country with and media stars make him CinC material. HRC has.

Big difference.

So we all know what BHO needs to do. Since Sinbad has said the closest thing to a red phone moment Hillary had on the trip was where the three of them would stop to eat.

It is Clear that if Obama wants to get the exerience he needs to be ready on DAY ONE. He must Find Sinbad and Sheryl Crow and visit the troops in Bosnia. For good measure he should take along "The Rock" and maybe even "Kid Rock" too.

This way he gain the requiste experience to put him on par with Hillary.

The Commander Guy Love It! LOL
Maybe BHO wil answer the phone and call up Stevie Wonder or better yet, Live Oprah show from Pyongyang! LOL

Hillary clinton is NOT focused on campaign issues. Time and time again she and her surrogates evoke race to scare white voters and Ferraro's just another racist. What a joke! Racism and Sexism are equally bad and for her to act as though Obama is somehow getting an advantage and that blacks are stupid and just follow the herd is ridiculous. Did anyone notice the large number of republicans crossing the line to vote for her in Mississippi? Just like in Texas, white Republicans are trying to give her the nomination because they know that McCain can beat her. And if she steals the nomination then I'm voting for McCain.

LA in Indiana I am a news junkie! I had not heard the Canadian letter was from the Hillary camp! Must have feel asleep that day.
look we are going to have to agree to disagree.
I know this, if we don't have a clear winner soon, we are going to tear our party apart and give the white house to the Rep's.
Right now it is ours to lose!

A joint ticket would be the answer, but with Obama rejecting that it makes it hard. look Hilary could be on the bottom the ticket, but if you we want the party intact she has to be on the ticket. If not the party will be divided. For that matter she could run as independent and rip the party to pieces!

before I sign off...I just wanted to remind you folks, hillary won NH by pushing a lie.
The lie she pushed quietly, was that Obama was against a woman's right to choose. Even though he rec'd 100% rating from Planned Parenthood, she put the lie out on flyers to NH residents.
They bought into the lie, he lost NH.

Well have a good night all, and come back tomorrow to do this all over again.

Ferraro's comment was taken as she intended it, a slur to get a new talking point out there for nervous white voters. Be afraid to vote for a black man because you can't criticize him without being labelled racist.

Let me put myself out there to say that Hillary's candidacy has done well by appealing to WOMEN, she has in particular captured unusually high vote percentages among older white women - this is what we call female sexism - tell the guys to move over because gosh, a woman can just do it better.

And not to mention, riding on her husband's name... we don't hear the OBAMA camp whining about unfair favoritism and Hillary's position arising due to her husband's presidency.

This whole story is nothing but gutter snipe politic'g by the Clinton camp and turns this voter away in revulsion.

BBB1961, if you don't think hillary has been nasty, with her kitchen sink strategy, then we aren't watching the same campaign race.

Nancy Pelosi, and I assume some of the Leadership, they do think hillary crossed the line, whether you want to believe it or not.

And Obama DID NOT, and I repeat DID NOT, do the wink/nod to the canadians. If you weren't paying attention, and I guess you wouldn't because they kept it quiet in the news after the fact, the canadians said it was not the Obama campaign, but the clinton campaign. Now I know you might want to quote conflicting stories, but that is what happened, and that is why the MSM stopped talking about it. But that was one of those lies that was pushed to the people of Ohio, and it worked.

And I'm sure there will be another lie or distortion of some sort pushed to the people in PA.

Obama has a hefty enough resume to be President of the United States, even though you may not agree.
Understand, Obama never said "change" would be easy. On the stump he states how difficult it will be, but he reiterates how important it is for people to be involved in their government. Transparency is extremely important to get anything done, and that is what he is pushing for. I'm sorry if you don't agree with it.

The news is that Ferraro said exactly the same thing about Jesse Jackson back in 1988.

So it looks like Ferraro is simply a lifelong racist.

obama----YIKES !!! well put! At least we know all of Hillary's dirty laundry it has all been played out. What do we know about Obama! What a shame if he wins the nod and then Rep"s pull out a file no one told us about!

Jack that explains why you have sounded somewhat like Ferrero in most your biases Clinton vs. Obama posts. I am saddened to here that you did not have the chance to grow up in en environment not so racially prejudiced. Now that I understand the source of you racial bias..I can't blame you much.

wow, it must be getting late....

she didn't THINK a joint ticket would be possible

girlinvt....it wasn't the ad, it was the Commander in Chief.
Nancy Pelosi commented on that today, stating she didn't a joint ticket would be possible now BECAUSE of the CIC comment hillary made.
THAT comment threw Obama under the bus, and I believe the party holds an unwritten rule about attempting to destroy your opponent to give the other side a hand up.

LA in Indiana What Nastiness? She has done nothing over the top. Obama supporter as well as the press makes something out of nothing. Was it not Obama who was putting out false flyers in Ohio? If you are referring to 3:00am phone add that is not nasty that is legitimate question.
What experience does Obama bring to the table? Does he think he is going to march into DC and all the congress and lobbyist are just going to roll over and say “oh the Obama is here we all need to roll over and do as he says”?
Obama supporters are living in fantasy world if they think he is going to bring real change, To push this point look at last week, he’s campaign is caught writing the Canadians telling them “ not to worry about NAFTA changing we are just telling people that” then Obama aide Samantha Power telling British paper Hilary is “monster” . Now that is nasty! If you think Hilary is nasty, just wait and see if Obama wins the nod. The Rep’s will make Anything Hilary has done (nothing that I’ve seen) like mother Teresa. All I can say if he can’t take the heat get out of the Kitchen. Hillary is tested she has fought the right wing many times and knows how to handle them with poise and panache.

so true Commander Guy.
But I guess that is why some say she is getting desperate, as she doesn't appear too concerned whether the information is true or false. As long as she gets vote because of it, who cares. We usually don't find out until after the fact whether information like that was true or not, and then its too late to take back your vote.
I guess that is why hillary said she would release her taxes AFTER she is the nominee. You can't take your vote back at that point.

DCV

I know you got the INSIDE dope on the Clinton campaign meme. So it is fun the play with ya.

How bout answer the Irak Q about Hillary I posted below.

Chickaboom I understand its a right to vote and to research and find out as much as possable about a candidate. I have checked into the Rezko thing and I do not like it,I lived thru the Clinton years and 70 million to prove a man cheated on his wife seems a little much.but its all they could prove.I feel our currant president sold out America to line his pockets.I feel Obama is another such as Bush

Obama----YIKES !!!: I know what you're saying, but I think you and I can tell when somebody's a "pro," as opposed to you and me and those like us just noodling around on here, waiting for the Hollywood writers to get some new scripts on the air!

Yes, there are lots of amateur copy-and-pasters on here -- too many some days! -- but there's also that certain, select few, just a little *too* polished and precise, about whom you can often just *tell*....

Asking the who do you feel more confident in answering a phone at 3 am is throwing someone under a bus is a laugh.....maybe you should google past democratic races.

ya CG - i am hooked on the most qualified candidate based on resume and accomplshments. Let's debate the facts oh wait - you would rather prod the masses here into fighting since you are pro-Mac Republican LOL

girlinvt: And many, many blacks and whites are voting for Obama for *precisely* the same reasons you state caused you to vote for Hillary.

Do you not understand that?

obama-yikes, that has been the case over the years, so I'm glad you said that. At least it sounds like you have some understanding. Black people have a reason for mistrust, the past still hangs in the balance. It has only been what, 40 years since we have been 'integrated' into society. Old habits die hard, on both sides of the aisle.

I'm not saying it makes it right, I'm just saying I understand.

I don't know why Hillary Fans can't just admit and Hillary MAY have made a mistake on the Irak War Vote.

To error is human and all......she is human isn't she?

I mean you got 10 of thousand of dead and disabled Americans; even more Irakis, a 3 Trillion Dollar price tag.

You got the lost opportunity costs, i.e., toil and treasure that coulda been spent protecting the nation's infrastructure, chemical plants, nuclear plants, ports, datasystems, etc. You got the negative goodwill throughout the world created by the war.

And UBL is still alive in Pakistan and the Taliban is reconstituting in Afghanistan.

This is not rocket science folks. Even Senator Colburn-OK has admitted that invading Irak may not have been a good idea.

Any takers? Could HRC have made a mistake?

obama----YIKES !!!: Get real, my friend; she posts pre-edited copy with bullet points and all. Never a typo! Clear indications of a copy-and-paste ringer if ever there was one.

And if she or any of them IS a paid staffer, they should disclose that fact to the rest of us. I doubt ABC meant for these boards to become the province of professional political spinmeisters! It just smells bad. Let 'em PAY for their advertising like everybody else! THAT'S WHAT!

Chickaboom

Ya DCV has it going on with the Clinton vibe. She hooked on HRC.

If you wanna make her run start posting about the Iraq War Vote.

BBB1961, so then you understand how Obama supporters feel. The nastiness from hillary has been over the top. Is this the norm, for democrats to throw their opponent under the bus for the other side? Or are you hillary supporters just suffering from selective amnesia?

As someone stated yesterday, her offering him to be VP at this point in time, as he is ahead in all numbers with the exception of super delegates, is like trying to sell a house that she doesn't own.

girlinvt, since that is the case, then why did hillary and wolfson go after Lazio as they did when she ran for the senate?
They disrupted his events for his returns. So the hypocrisy is just a tad overwhelming at this point, as she holds out on releasing her returns when Obama has already done so.

It makes people wonder, is there something to hide?

The arrogance of a 46 year old punk stating he would never run at the bottom of the ticket as VP with her. Makes me dislike him and agree with Gerry he is lucky to be where he is at now. I am lifelong Dem and before Obama’s comments I thought I will get behind whoever wins, But now if Hillary is not on the ticket, I and a number of Dem friends have agreed we will vote Rep just to vote against arrogance. We don’t need another 4-8year of that!

obama----YES !!!: Actually, I'm kinda starting to like you as you go on! You're funny. A little overly excitable, perhaps, but funny!

The people of PA will do the right thing. ooops, did I Xerox Spike Lee? I mean, they will do what's best for the country. unlike MISS, SC, and MD.

yeah seah, I guess I missed all that.

I'm really surprised at the racial tone this campaign has taken. If Obama is the nominee the hillary supporters won't vote for him. And it would be the same if she manages to somehow come out on top with superdelegates and win the nomination.

Now folks are depending on white people in PA to vote for hillary, just because she's white, not because she is the most qualified candidate.
I know, I know...people will say she is more qualified because she was bill's wife, but being a First Lady doesn't provide automatic Commander in Chief status.

you're way off on the "coincidence" tapper. maybe you should do a little more research next time.

From NBC's David Gelles
I just spoke to reporter Jim Farber, who wrote the Ferraro story for the "Daily Breeze" of Torrance, Calif. He told me the Ferraro interview took place on Feb. 28th, five days before the Ohio and Texas primaries.

IF HILLARY HAS DONE WHAT OBAMA HAD WITH REZKO, I BET WE WOULD HEAR NO END OF IT. WHEN HILLAY POINTS OUT A FACT OR TWO ABOUT OBAMA'S RECORD, SHE IS ACCUSED OF BEING NEGATIVE. WHEN OBAMA CAMPS CALLS HER A MONSTER, AND ALL UNWARRANTED ACCUSATIONS FROM BEING ASSOCIATED WITH BILL, THERE IS BARELY ANY STIR. WHY SHOULD ANY SANE PERSON ACCUSE HILLARY FOR BILL'S LIBRARY FUNDRAISING? IF HILLARY HAS ACCUSED OBAMA IN SUCH TWISTED, UNFACTUAL WAY, SHE WILL BE LABELLED AS A WITCH DESERVE BEING BURN AT THE STAKE.

A"ny time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up," Ferraro said. "Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

Beautiful. Time to speak the truth.

How terribly maudlin and corny, geevil.

Absurd too.

Unless of course you're imploring PA to vote Obama. : )

LA in Indiana people seem to have forgotten that Hillary Clinton wrote two books as well.Both books did very well...

And I agree girlinvt, he should release his former year taxes as well. But this dispute over taxes was for the 2006 return. Obama DID release his, but hillary refused to release hers.

I know people keep talking about his money, but they seem to forget Obama wrote, not one, but two books. Michelle Obama said the sales from those books paid off their school loans. At this point, there doesn't seem to be much to look at. But again, if the requirement is there for the candidates to release taxes for certain years, then they should both do it.

PA it's up to you to save the Country again. Just like at Gettysburg.

The Commander Guy: They've probably got several such ringers on here. I'm beginning to wonder a bit about our old pal DCVoter too. Very articulate, well spoken, yes, but my oh my, doesn't she always seem to have a plethora, a veritable cornucopia, of conveniently supportive "facts" and data for her prodigious pro-Clinton posts, yet never admits to anything even the slightest bit negative regarding Hillary, regardless of the supporting facts....

Frankly, I don't know of any "civilians" who could so readily and frequently spout so much one-sided information off the tops of their heads....

Peter Paul!

"the Clinton campaign is starting a race war in the country and the democratic party their scorched earth win at any price philosophy knows no bounds"

The Clinton camp has not played the race the card, the Obama camp has by calling foul! Look what Gerry Ferraro said is true! Not raciest, if Obama was a 46 year old white Jr. senator with the limited experience he has, he would not even be in the game. The fact that he is Black is why he is where he is. he has fired up enough Black voters to leave the Clinton camp because for the first time in Black history they actually have a shot at the presidency. That is not racist that is fact!!

I DON'T AGREE WITH FERRERO'S STATEMENT EVEN THERE IS SOME TRUTH IN WHAT SHE SAID THAT OBAMA'S RACE HAS HELPED. HER MIS-STATEMENT IS STILL FAR MORE MATURE THAN THOSE FROM OBAMA CAMP. THE CHILDISHNESS OBAMA ADVISER DISPLAYED WHEN SHE CALLED HILLARY A MONSTER IS THE HALLWARK OF OBAMA CAMPAIGN AND MESSAGE. SLOGANS SHORT AND SWEET NO MATTER HOW EMPTY THEY SOUND ALWAYS WORK BETTER WITH THE YOUNG, INEXPERIENCED AND IGNORANT. HOW IGNORANT AND CHILDISH CAN ANY ONE GET BY CALLING SOMEONE A MONSTER? IMAGINE IT WAS A HILLARY ADVISER WHO HAD CALLED OBAMA A MONSTER, HELL WILL KNOW NO FURY OF HIS SUPPORTERS. OBAMA CAMP ENGAGES IN CHILDREN'S ROUGH PLAY IN SERIOUS POLITCS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

I guess you missed the rev Wright speech.

I guess you missed the Obama speech in selma.

I guess the blind are leading the blind in the Obama camp.

chickaboom

Don't know. You may have the good over me here.

DC - you calling out Westie to do some tag team action?

But I Got Donna Brazille - now there is a strong woman - saying the SupaDelegates gonna flock to the one who wins the most Pledged Delegates at the end of the day.

Guess that means, absent a macaca moment, Hillary can't catch up. Period.

Now maybe all this race dust-up is about just that. With the Clintons, you never know. Just saying.

The Commander Guy: Didn't Westie use to post on here under the name "Jordan Clinton," an admitted paid operative for Hillary's campaign? I believe it was the same person.

seah, I don't what election YOU are watching, but I believe you have your facts wrong.
I don't believe Obama has lied about anything, but if you believe that, that is your choice.
Speaking of Rezko....when he purchased his home, Obama DID say he didn't think twice about it because there was no proof there was any wrong doing on Rezko's part, at the time. Yes he was under investigation, and that is why Obama said that is something he should not have done. But again, at that point, nothing had been proven. I understand that and take him at his word on that.

If you want to make a comparison on lying....hillary is still talking about the canadians when it has been stated that Obama's camp was NOT the one who talked with them with the wink and nod, but it was the clinton camp. The one gentleman even stated the clinton name in conversation, not Obama.

So what lies has Obama told that YOU caught onto?
If you think about it, hillary has stopped talking about Rezko, so there must be a reason for that. If there was something there, she would be jamming Rezko down our throats, as she did previously.

Thanks, Laura from NY!!! Sometimes I get the feeling everyone has set reason aside with this primary.
Obama has been anointed by the press, et al. Anything said about him that is the list bit less than flattering is held to be racist, you know, "the poor black man we done wronged." He is milking it for all it is worth.
Sadly, come November, we will all pay for this lack of reasoned decision making.

Laura from NY I AGREE 100% with you!!!

chickaboom - you trying flatter the WestcoastMessenger?

If I know Westie, and I think I do, you just made His night.

And BTW Westie Hillary backing Gerry to the hilt ain't doing her party any good....but I guess this ain't about her party.

Amem, Disgusted -- I'm with you. We've now seen Mrs. Clinton's "true colors," and I don't think I could ever vote for such diabolical ruthlessness, amorality and deceptiveness.

With "Democrats" like her, who needs Republicans?

I won't ever vote for McCain, but I *CAN'T* now vote for Hillary, knowing what I know, seeing what I've seen.

Look we have 8 years of president who claimed we were Un-American every time we spoke out against his Ideas! If Obama wins the nod and then the general election are we going to go through 4 -8 years of every time we speak out against his ideas we are going to be called raciest?

early mississippi results show Hillary ahead with 5% reporting

If the Democrats want to elect racists, and want to go around bashing men or blacks or muslims. Fine. Go ahead.

I'm leaving.
White, liberal, professional, female.
I'm gone. I've had enough. I hope a viable third party comes out of this nightmare. I'll be the first one to sign up.

Screw the Democratic Party. They won't get another dime out of me.

She stoops to conquer indeed.

Quit reposting, Laura from NY. Nobody even cared the first time.

McCain takes MISS in Nov. another useless win for Obama

Obama was in with Rezko

Extremely good Friends with Rezko

Obama knowing Rezko was crooked and under investigation, still went to him and use dirty money so he could buy a house.

Michelle Obama was on the land committee
which rushed everything through, so she is crooked too.

Obama helps Rezko with the swindling of the hospitals and the pension fund, and crookedness in Illinois government, after he was a US Senator.

He said he didn't know Rezko when he was first asked, said they were acquaintances, and that he only seen him at functions. that turned into friends of 18 years, both stories from obamas mouth.

He said he only got 20k from Rezko over his career, turn into 60k now it is up to 168k. How much higher will it go.

What charity did he dump the money into?
wonder if it was a non profit church? or hospital?

why not give it to the courts to return it to the ones who were swindled?

Saint Obama my *#(#*&%

Laura, what makes her 'far more qualified'???

They are both attorneys, both worked for law firms. She was first lady and Obama was a professor teaching constitutional law, and a state legislator. So he was in government a few years longer than she.