Gergen: Hillary a 'Good Soldier' on NAFTA

Hillary Clinton lies so much that now she doesn't even know the meaning of the truth. I don't think she would know it if it smacked her in the face. Now, a big fat lie means "I mispoke." This is in reference to the lie she told about ducking bullets in Bosnia. Thank God for Sinbad and video tape, which told the truth. Bill Clinton has taught Hillary well; remember "I did not have sex with that woman." I'm sure they have their daughter taking notes for her turn at the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dynasty. And for those of you who just don't seem to get the fact that Hillary does not have any experience being president just because she was married to Bill while he was president, think about this quote from Mike Huckabee in an interview. "Hillary saying that she has experience being president just because she lived in the white house with Bill while he was president is like me saying that I have experience in childbirth just because I was in the room with my wife when she gave birth to our children."

The thing that I find confusing is how so many people can judge a person by the people that they know. I have heard some much about Rev Wrights comments which I found very distrubing. What I haven't heard is anything from Obama sounding like Rev Wright. I haven't heard anything representing that he is anyway against America or any of its people. This guilt by association is unAmerican. I am very sure that most people of any substance has had friends say things that they don't agree with. when they did say such things did they drop them as friends, probably not. I also know for a fact that lots of people have grown up in homes where their parents were racist, but their children grew up to reject this lifestyle and deal with all kinds of people. what I believe with this Rev Wright controversey is that a lot people over years had begin to question their point of view about racism in America and then a person like Obama come along and offers unity of purpose and is black make them question their position even more and this frighten some and enlighten others. Rev Wright gave the frighten one the opportunity to resort back to their previous comfortable view points.

Mr.Obama was not a very good student if you believe Rev.Wright was teaching him racial hate toward whites and America for 20 years.

I'm an Obama supporter and I really don't care that much about Hillary's support of NAFTA 15 years ago. Big deal. Everyone here needs to tone it down a little. YOu're not helping your candidate, only making him/her look bad by your ravings.

I am an Obama supporter and I disagree with the characterization of David Gergen as being a liar. I have watched him on TV many times and have found him to be fair minded to both candidates in spite of his ties to the Clinton administration.

What I do believe is that Senator Clinton was not against NAFTA fundamentally but would have preferred to invest the political capital on health care. The decision to persue NAFTA ahead of health care was necessary in light of;

1) The time it took the budget negotiations / tax increase.

2) How poorly the health care issue was being handled, including the public perception that it was not appropriate for an unelected official to be chairing such an important piece of legislation.

3) The approach First Lady Clinton employed particularly relying on closed doors meetings without transparency and the exclusion of House and Senate leaders.

Once the decision was made to shelve health care she came in line and supported NAFTA. This is very well documented.

So how does Gergen really feel after lying for her? Senator Clinton's released schedules have exposed that she was at the November 10, 1993 pro-NAFTA meeting for businesswomen. Surely, she couldn't just be having tea with those ladies.

So, basically David Gergen lied and mislead the public on Hillary Clinton and NAFTA...

That's just great !
David is following the Clinton game plan
Lie and mislead
Then, smear your opposition

We've had 15 years of lies and dishonesty from the White House
15 years of scandals and cover ups
15 years of corporate interests
15 years of insider corruption

Time to turn the page on two failed Presidencies, the Clintons and the Bushes

TURN THE PAGE ON THESE CROOKED LIARS

The problem with NAFTA is the same as anything that has American business support. Thinking short term not long term. Long term, this country will not manufacture a single thing because you can always find cheaper labor in a third world country. What people haven't considered (including business and politicians) is this - How vulnerable does this make America if something catastrophic happens? What if there is a civil war in China - or another world war - and we have no facilities or people to manufacture here in the US after we've farmed out everything? Puts the US in a vulnerable and bad situation. Why do you think EVERY country in the world (besides the US) has trade restrictions and other barriers to trade? Think about that for a minute ... why should America open itself up to free trade? One word answer - CEO paychecks! Business is the only benefit long term.

Hillary is a good liar. Period.

When are voters going to understand that EVERY politician, even Obama, is seldom, if ever, 100% for everything 100% of the time in 100% of the places they campaign! They all flip flop, they all accuse the other of flip flopping, and they all tell lies! Obama accuses Clinton of this on Nafta and the war, but he is equally guilty on his public and private stances on Nafta, the war, and his minister. The bottom line still has to be who we believe has the actual experience, judgment, and ability to get things done if they actually get elected. Everyone is entitled to their opinion based on those criteria. The only thing that has changed in my mind is my original opinion of Sen. Obama, I used to at least like him, but now I can't stand his arrogance, underhandness, and attempts to downplay genuine concerns and evade answering hard questions. We are supposed to just accept what he says as truth, and I know better than to do that with any politician. I'm tired of his campaign getting by with everything, yet his opponents are held to impossible standards. Even when they try to complement him, those comments are twisted. I give up. I think things are pretty set as far as supportfor either candidate goes now, except for those who are not aware of the divisive campaign Sen. Obama has run. Because I don't like the Republican platform, I would love to vote Democratic. But if Obama is the nominee, I can not in good conscience vote for him because he does not practice what he preaches so to speak. Obama CHANGE seems to be just a slogan created to capture the voters who are so fed up with Bush they will vote for a person with a razor thin national record and questionable background issues. These issues have never been properly brought to light until this past week because most of the media could or would not do their jobs properly. I'm sure this has just scratched the surface of other concerns. Much easier to use the Clinton's for the bullseye right now, and save Obama's record for later. Sen. Obama is also not unifying, he is dividing. Even today I read his aide is attacking President Clinton on another supposed remark. Enough of this, if you are not pro Obama, you can't say anything and people are really getting sick of it!

What it does, is under cut the claim that Clinton opposed NAFTA. She asked questions for heaven sakes . That's not much of an opposition. In short she didn't oppose it, when it was passed she went along with it, until this campaign she hasn't said anything about it. All these years in the senate, where is her opposition to NAFTA? Not even anymore questions about it. Hillary was more concerned with her health care bill. You know the one that Bill Clinton kicked to the curb, only to give us NAFTA! The one that Ted Kennedy worked so hard on while giving her credit for it. If she can't sell a health care bill to her own husband, how is she going to accomplish that now? What EVER happened to investigative reporting? You should write what you know. It would take what?, maybe 10 min on the computer to find out what the historical circumstances were at the time. Some of your readership actually lived through those years AND payed attention! What an absolutely lazy thing to do. Call David Gergan, then sell his opinion as fact. Do you apply the same effort in the rest of your life? Is it only when you can sell schlock, because you take for granted no one is paying attention?

Patrick "I will vote for Nader" --

Thanks to that kind of thinking, we had eight years of Bush. Lets try something out. I support Hillary. You, and this is a guess I admit, support Obama. Lets say, in unison, the following: "I will support the Democratic nominee, whomever it is, because I know the country will be better off with any Democrat in the White House than a Republican."

There. I feel better. You?

Naw - but it undercuts the claim that as first lady all she did was knit blankets.

NAFTA helped Texas and hurt Ohio..So being a politician she attacked NAFTA strongly in Ohio and Avoided it in Texas...But she has run a dirty campaign since South Carolina. I think that the race card which has been used continually by her surrogates is dispicable and disqualifies her from being President. Regardless of NAFTA, if she is the nominee I will vote for RALPH NADER.

BK...There was a balanced budget for a time because of increased revenue due to lower taxes from pre-Clinton administrations, greater corporate efficiency, low interest from the Fed..none of which were due to Clinton...But there was a stock market crash during his term, from which many have still not recovered..

The Republicans did not go after his private life, assuming what he does the the White House bathroom is private. The went after him for perjury, lying in public under oath in court proceeding. As for gas, it was $.25 per gallon when I was in high school. If you want to be nostalgic for Clinton, at least do it for informed and logical reasons.

Well I'm glad Gergen cleared this up. Hell it wouldn't have mattered to me if she was for it back then. She's not now. Obama is telling Canada that he is just talking it down on the campaign trail and not going to do anything about it. Then he tries to turn it around and say that it was Hillary doing that. Kinda like the Jeremiah Wright thing. If you get caught at a racist church, pass a photo af Bill Clinton shaking his hand so that you don't look so bad. Like that compares with 20 years of sitting in the pews with your family listening to his bullshit. Hell Oprah left cause she saw the writing on the wall. I think I'd rather have Oprah than Obama. She's the one who showed actual "judgment"

You mean at the dinner table she really opposed NAFTA? "NAFTA is good for America" translated in Clinton code means "Shhhhh I'm just supporting my hubby. Wink Wink."? You people are sad.

jackt51, before you go all flip flop on us, you might remember that obama oh so famously claims he was always against the war, but said he didn't know how he would've voted because he didn't have all the info, etc., so that he could get to give the keynote speech at kerry's convention (and but for that speech we wouldn't be burdened with him). he later said he was just saying that to be supportive, etc.

bottom line - he said he was against the war in front of an anti-war group in illinois to get the senate election, then changed his mind to get the keynote speech, then changed it back when running against hillary because now the war's unpopular nationally. flip, flop, pander, pander, just lies, just lies.

Another televised debate and another chance to discuss NAFTA again. And maybe Rev. Wright, Rezko, and the Iraq War. The debate is scheduled for April 16th in Philadelphia, before the PA primary on April 22nd. Currently Hillary Clinton is up by 16 points in PA as of yesterday.
(51-35),Franklin & Marshall Poll.
Go Hillary!

Both candidates have expressed both support for and reservations about NAFTA,,(there are more than a few "free trade' comments and support for NAFTA around),,Actually it worked well for years and was supported by most of the Senate at the time. The problem is that it needs work to minimize the problems of the current trade imbalance and tainted goods problems.

Renegotiation is in order. As a Senator Hillary has been attempting with people like the GOV of Ohio to get Nafta amended.

On the other hand Hillary DID NOT go to Canada to reassure them that NAFTA would stay as is....that was Obama. Or maybe the Canadians are lying. Not.

NAFTA has been good for some states and bad for others. Hillary understands it needs to be tweaked.

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