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Gergen: Hillary a 'Good Soldier' on NAFTA
March 21, 2008 5:59 PM
The Clinton campaign has relentlessly pushed a quote from former Clinton White House adviser David Gergen as evidence that as first lady, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., opposed NAFTA.
Which is interesting since, as you may know, Gergen was the MC of sorts for that pro-NAFTA rally that Clinton spoke at that appeared on her schedule for Nov. 10, 1993.
So what's the deal?
This afternoon, I gave Mr. Gergen a ring to see if he could clarify it all for us. And, true to form, he quite generously obliged.
Clinton was, Gergen recalls, "distinctly unenthusiastic about NAFTA."
Why?
"Part of her concern was clearly about timing," he says. It took the Clinton administration about six months to get its budget passed.
"She thought health care would be next, but (then-Treasury Secretary) Lloyd Bentsen and others thought NAFTA needed to be next," he says.
This was an issue of political capital, Gergen says. A president only has so much of it. Former President Bill Clinton had already used quite a bit of it for his budget bill, which included tax increases. NAFTA, which unions opposed, would cost more. Bill Clinton "had to do a lot of arm-twisting" on NAFTA.
"That was capital she wanted to reserve for health care," he says. "She was not happy about having to do NAFTA."
But there was also a question about the substance of NAFTA.
"The was considerable division within the White House about whether NAFTA was right on the merits," says Gergen, "and I always associate her with those who had questions about it on the merits."
This is where it gets interesting. "Arguments about policy are always before a decision is made. Once the president makes a decision everybody falls in line. I feel like she was among those who leaned against it on the merits. I do not remember her at a meeting arguing it out, I just felt she always had reservations."
Then the decision was made and the first lady fell in line, along with the rest of the administration, Gergen says, to help get NAFTA passed.
About the Nov. 10, 1993 meeting, Gergen says, "she was not suddenly a convert to NAFTA. It's just that when the president decides something, people around him are going to support that decision. I thought she was a good soldier on that."
That makes complete sense to me, and squares with common sense. But it does not undercut the notion that Clinton helped argue the case for NAFTA and helped make it law.
-- jpt
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College students do not remember how good life was when the Clintons were in the White House we had a balanced budget,good jobs,gas prices were low. People could afford to go to college. These are the things we all want.Right! The Republican attack machine went after their personal life. He knew how to run this country and so does she. They are for all the people.
Posted by: bk | Mar 21, 2008 11:01:16 PM
Mary say "Would the REAL Hillary Clinton please stand up?"
Could you wait until she has time to commission another poll? She'll be happy to stand up then.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 21, 2008 10:58:17 PM
So, Hillary Clinton publicly supported NAFTA, but personally opposed it.
But wait...didn't she also publicly vote for other legislation as NY Senator that she now says she was happy to see not pass because she did not personally support it?
So, which Hillary Clinton should we go with when deciding who she is: her private words or her public actions?
I'm confused...Would the REAL Hillary Clinton please stand up?
Posted by: Mary | Mar 21, 2008 10:56:06 PM
Questioner posted:
"In the beginning, Hillary was AGAINST NAFTA. In public when she found she couldn't forestall it, she "got with the program" which is exactly what she should have done
Today, she feels it should be improved or revised.... whatever! Hillary is open to CHANGE!!! And she is an effective facilitator; she will MAKE productive change happen!"
Yes, and as I previously posted the Democratic leaders were all behind NAFTA
On the Senate side, the big name Democrats who voted for NAFTA include Bill Bradley, Tom Daschle, Christopher Dodd, Ted Kennedy, Joe Lieberman, John Kerry and Joe Biden.
Posted by: marie | Mar 21, 2008 10:15:50 PM
Shellray:
While the candidate platforms are very closely aligned, the animous I hear over and over is unparalled. It is very personal. The attacks on Hillary are things like, "I hate her," "Hillary is a liar" etc. The attacks on Obama go more to his loyalty to Rev. Wright, his lack of experience. There is far more evidence to support criticism of Barrack Obama, as memorialized in the video clips of Rev. Wright and a very light political resume, indeed.
I do not see most people putting aside their feelings.
Posted by: marie | Mar 21, 2008 10:12:21 PM
In the beginning, Hillary was AGAINST NAFTA. In public when she found she couldn't forestall it, she "got with the program" which is exactly what she should have done
Today, she feels it should be improved or revised.... whatever! Hillary is open to CHANGE!!! And she is an effective facilitator; she will MAKE productive change happen!
The change Obama promises is backwards to the late 1950's.... before Martin Luther King..... and it will be even more painful because his mentor is a hate monger who literally damns the country which BO wants to lead!
How can you permit yourselves to be so easily deceived by a man who cries "change" when he can't even separate himself from his evil.... I say EVIL!!!!even if he IS black! church crutch !
As for his way with words...... we can
keep the speechwriter!
GIVE 'EM HELL HILLARY!!!!
Posted by: questioner | Mar 21, 2008 10:00:02 PM
Herta and We Are Dems, your points are valid, but we can have only one Democratic nominee, and its normal for the partisans of one to show their loyalty by attacking the other. Despite the anger you see now, I really don't believe that come November Obama's fans will desert the party if Hillary is the nominee, or vice versa. I was concerned, though, about the news that a surprising number of people are considering voting for Nader. Now, that's stupid.
Posted by: shellray | Mar 21, 2008 9:54:58 PM
It's obvious that the Democratic candidate who is having to work twice as hard is a woman!!
For goodness sakes, we have a financial advisor to the Obama campaign telling the Canadians that Obama's comments on NAFTA were "political positioning," but for some reason that's all forgotten and it's clear that Hillary expressed her concerns on NAFTA when the floor was open, and supported the President once the decision was made.
It's Obama's stance on NAFTA that continues to be unclear and uncertain.
Posted by: OhioNative | Mar 21, 2008 9:43:25 PM
Herta, you're totally right. Let it become a slogan in all the incendiary blogs:
DEMOCRATS, WAKE UP!!
STOP THE WAR OF WORDS!!
HILLARY CLINTON AND BARACK OBAMA ARE BOTH DEMOCRATS!!
WITH A SIMILAR AGENDA FOR AMERICA'S FUTURE!!
FOLKS, WE HAVE A COMMON CAUSE!!
LET'S BEAT THE REPUBLICANS THIS YEAR!!
Posted by: WE ARE DEMOCRATS! | Mar 21, 2008 9:39:44 PM
More lies from Clinton and her cronies..let's see that's what? 2 lies today alone? even disregarding the lies during the WH house years, is this not enough to make people staop and THINK?
NAFTA and her lies about ducking snioper fire when the VIDEO shows her accepting flowers from a 6 year old girl! The woman is a liar. Period. Should be the end of the story and if anyone else had been caught with their pants down? It would be..oh that's right Bill was and it wasn't the end for him either...guess the rules really don't apply to the Clintons.
Posted by: Sam | Mar 21, 2008 9:35:16 PM
Not sure what all the fuss is about here. Both Obama and Clinton have proven themselves somewhat disingenuous on NAFTA. McCain got the edge on both of them when he said that he has always supported NAFTA, in Ohio, Texas, and every other state. Fact is, NAFTA has had bad consequences regionally but good consequences overall, as free trade policy usually does. Just ask Al Gore, who made the case for NAFTA in that memorable debate with Ross Perot -- remember the "giant sucking sound"?
Posted by: shellray | Mar 21, 2008 9:22:59 PM
SO-Twenty-three million jobs. Wow! Way more job than Obama supporters have fingers. How can they possibly count that high now?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 21, 2008 8:55:27 PM
Jackt51-Perhaps you aught to check Obama's damage control of his damage control of his damage control. Poor grandma. Bad bus.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 21, 2008 8:48:57 PM
I think the Obamanites and the young college crowd were not old enough to understand what happened in the 90's.
Bill Clinton created 23 million jobs over 8 years. What's wrong with that fact?
Americans are about to make the same mistake with Obama as they did with George Bush. This is not a time for experiment, America.
Wake up! Wake up y'all!
Posted by: SO | Mar 21, 2008 8:39:22 PM
Ask Obama why he publicly supported and said he would vote for the NAFTA based trade model the Peru Free Trade Act in 2007? He'll say it had environmental and labor protections. Why then did major labor, environmental, consumer rights and human rights groups oppose it? He'll say they weren't happy with the compliance aspect of it, they didn't feel it was strong enough. Ask him who had some responsibility for the Compliance piece? Try the Bush administration. Both Obama and Clinton publicly supported this and publicly said they would vote for it. They both conveniently didn't show up to cast a vote. All you Obama supporters contend Clinton is pro-NAFTA but how do you explain Obama's support for it? Maybe like you'd explain how after his big anti-war speech his voting right down the line with Clinton on issues pertaining to Iraq, with one exception and his was the pro-Republican vote. How about his vote on the 2005 energy bill, Cheney's pet project? How about his being OK with credit card interest rates surpassing 30%?
Posted by: alpaig | Mar 21, 2008 8:39:20 PM
SO-Plus with Canada and minus with Mexico. Furthermore, NAFTA gives America direct access to Canadian oil. Currently American companies operate in the oil sands sector piping oil directly to the states. Canada is America's number one oil source. However, Prime Minister Harper of Canada stated if the Americans what to play with NAFTA he is putting oil on the table. Canada would rather sell to China, India, and Japan. Better prices.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 21, 2008 8:38:43 PM
BKMC-Where is NAFTA failure? If so then what country is NAFTA the problem? Do you even know what you're talking about?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 21, 2008 8:34:05 PM
My question to you Jake is this;
Is NAFTA a net plus or net minus for the U.S. economy?
Somebody, please answer that question.
Thanks anyone.
Posted by: SO | Mar 21, 2008 8:32:59 PM
yea i really want a lier and closet racist as my president ,so being a good democrat i am supposed to fall in line and possibly put someone in the white house who is possibly antiamerican at heart,NOT LIKELY IN MY LIFETIME,do you obama supporters get it now its more about antiamerican wright/ayers than race.no obama in 08.
Posted by: don tufts | Mar 21, 2008 8:20:13 PM
So, Sen. Clinton was opposed to NAFTA, but supported it publicly after her husband, the President, decided to go forward with it. That's exactly how you act if you're part of an administration: either join the President once a decision is made, or resign. Obviously, the First Lady can't resign.
This should be easy to understand for the Obama folks, since Sen. Obama's explanation for why he said in 2004 that he didn't know how he would have voted on the Iraq war authorization if he had been in the Senate at the time was that he had to support the position of the Democratic, Sen. Kerry. If Obama gets a pass on that, surely Sen. Clinton gets a pass here.
So, Obama campaign, where is the apology for calling Sen. Clinton a liar yesterday? Oh, nevermind. I know. Saints don't have to apologize.
Posted by: Dazed and Confused | Mar 21, 2008 8:12:42 PM
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