Here Come the Democratic Lawyers!

I sent the DNC an email too.....I asked them not to disenfranchise these 2 states...I got an email back asking me to contribure.

I remember sending an email to the DNC just incredulous at how poorly it had managed coordinating and negotiating with various states on their respective primary dates.

I got a blast email a few days later from Howard to several of his closest friends saying not to worry, that he was certain there would be a nominee before the convention.

Way to stick your head in the sand there Howard.

Actually, there was a record turn out in Florida because "the people" wanted the mainstream media to take notice of who they supported, regardless of the delegate debacle.

If the democrats don't count these votes, they can kiss the election goodbye. I hope they are happy losing for a technicality.

"I wish I was one of the people with the damning evidence LOL Anyone taking bets as to the RNC or the media finding someone who has it and paying a pretty penny?"

I wont lie, Im looking for it too. Will I be able to look myself in the mirror knowing what I have done? HE&% Yeah!

Great speaking to you, Gotta go earn a living.

LOL Will nope - I work online but I dont get paid to blog unfortunately... wish I did! So one never knows when I have time to check the news and blogs. That is not the same as spending time researching or searching for a quote. Lots of things come up over and over so we know where to find the info.

I posted the info for other readers to see that the posting about the newsweek article was an uninformed smear tactic devoid of validity.

Will I forgot to mention, the videos that FOX took clips from for their report were not just one from 2003. In fact, there are reports of hundreds of hours being reviewed showing this was not an isolated case. Some of those clips were from sermons last year. Since the church had the videos up for sale and the transcripts on their website prior to trying to do all ths damage control, these things can be checked. I wish I was one of the people with the damning evidence LOL Anyone taking bets as to the RNC or the media finding someone who has it and paying a pretty penny?

Everyone needs to remember why the dates for the Florida primaries were moved out of compliance with the DNC; THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR MAD IT SO!!!

Democrats in Florida should not be disenfranchised. If they are not allowed to participate as Democrats, they will support Republicans or stay at home.

Whether you support Clinton or Obama, remember the role that Florida played in getting Dubya to the White House.

The newsweek article fails to mention the US Tour Farrakahn was making that year and the attacks he made on Clinton and Dole and the America as a country.

"Few were spared Farrakhan's venom during the U.S. tour. He accused Colin Powell of obeying "massah," suggested that Bill Clinton and Bob Dole were puppets on "someone else's string," defended the Islamic terrorist group Hezbollah as "freedom fighters" and suggested that the Washington Monument was in fact a monument celebrating slavery in America He also alleged that the presidents of major Jewish organizations were trying to influence U.N. reaction to the fighting in Lebanon and argued that ". . . the Zionists have control in England, in Europe, in the United States, and around the world." In once again suggesting a meeting between the N.O.I. and Jewish groups, Farrakhan said, "It won't make any difference whether they wish to sit down or not. In some point in time, they will be forced to sit down.... It's better to come willingly...."
quoted from the Jewish Virtual Library (American-Isreali Coop Initiative)

What's the difference? Clinton did not invite Farrakahn, he was heavily criticized by Farrakahn, he is not "groomed" by Farrakahn and friends as implied in Farrakahn's interviews.

So what - as long as the guy is or was a racist. It is so funny when your "God" Obama trips up - people go for the throat of Clnton- grow up and own up that Obama is such and empty suit and he lies are catching up with him.

Will - I guess you have not seen or read the (non-campaign related) interview with Farrakahn back in Jan of this year. I found the interview on a news website that apparently promotes Farrakahn's ideas. The interview was his advice for the year 2008. When Obama was brought up in the interview, Farrakhan was quoted as saying Obama has been groomed so as to not appear as Rev's Jackson or Sharpton. I didnt think much of that until I saw the NOI guys behind the pulpit like guards while Wright was preaching hate speech and inappropriate gestures and sexual language. Think that sounds outrageous? We have learned the hard way that we should not dismiss the flags when they pop up.

Is it possible he doesnt know? Sure - if he has been brainwashed for 20 years. Is it likely? I dont think so. If Clinton had even any remote association with a separatist group or individual ... well ... we all know the impact that would have based on how the media has been covering her so negatively per their own polls.

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In 1996, while running for re-election, Bill Clinton sent out a mass mailing to friends and prospective donors—including one to the Nation of Islam. In it, he invited Claudette Muhammad, who at the time was chief of protocol, to be on his steering committee. "It is my way of saying thank you for your past friendship and it is my way of asking you to join me in this new campaign," he wrote. Muhammad reprinted the letter in a memoir; a spokesman for Clinton declined to comment.

Posted recently on Newsweek!
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Quoting this from another blogger, sorry I didnt get the name, just for you MattOhio

"If we dont find the video....it is hard to take Obama at his word, because he is flip-flopping so much..."

Just like it's hard to take Clinton on their words. After all, the reason why they were vetted were due to lies proven and unproven.

"I bet he lied to TUCC too and went to a Nation of Islam gala event."

It would be a deal-breaker to see him with one of those hats on his head with the picture of a crescent moon.

Will - no i paraphrased but you can look for the quote if you want... i have to work so no time to search today

i heard about the radio ad and also heard it was run by individuals in FL who had planned to be a part of her campaign but could not be because of the DNC decision to disallow the delegates... hence the ad was paid for by private citizens... perfectly legal... the courts will sort all that stuff out

If we dont find the video....it is hard to take Obama at his word, because he is flip-flopping so much...I bet he lied to TUCC too and went to a Nation of Islam gala event.

"So did we find the video evidence on Obama yet? Where are the Secret Service details on his whereabouts on those sermon dates???? ....If those were to come out, we would also know how often Obama met his Crazy Real-Estate Uncle(Rezko)..."

From what I hear, on of the sermons that is being more widely circulated occured sometime after 9/11. He didnt have secret service detail at the time.

BTW, that McCain presidency must seem OK to you.

So did we find the video evidence on Obama yet? Where are the Secret Service details on his whereabouts on those sermon dates???? ....If those were to come out, we would also know how often Obama met his Crazy Real-Estate Uncle(Rezko)...

"With regards to your argument on whether Clinton would ask they be seated only after finding out how they voted... LOL."

Glad you find it funny. Its a hypothetical that I cannot prove.

"you are misinformed there because when the states delegates were disallowed she stated she agreed not to campaign in them but expected that whomever the nominee is would ask their delegates to seat the FL and MI delegates at the convention because the voters voices should be heard and those states are needed in November."

"whomever the nominee"
"whomever the nominee"
"whomever the nominee"

Is this an actual quote? Because it is crazy to suggest the nominee have anything to lose by having anyone not seated. Then nominee is picked at the convention, not before. In fairness I actually do remember her saying something like this, but it doesnt negate the fact that given her situation she stands most to benefit by seating the Florida and Mich delegates and that she is no longer keeping a silent tongue about the rules being stupid.

OK, so you don't buy this idea like I don't buy the idea that Obama had a nefarious plan to circumvent the agreement of not campaigning. I agree to disagree. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, Hillary was on national radio that aired in Florida...but now we're just splitting hairs.

marie - then we can only hope the judge or judges who hear the case are not activist partisan judges (funny about there probably not being a non-Repubican federal LOL)

If the dems win in Nov, we can only hope someone will replace Dean and actively shakeup the party and fix the rules so that next election will be run properly and in a democratic manner... unfortunately, a win is not likely to trigger change inside the party.

If they lose in Nov and the voting results show the division we are seeig now, I predict a major shakeup. We might even see a break along the same lines. The dems need to fix the party, put competent people in its administration, and heal the wounds. Sometimes I wonder if a Moderate party would evolve and grow to become the major party in the country.

"But the bottom line in it all is the simple fact that the date could not be changed without the legislature. They willingly sacrificed half their delegates in the Rep race so that they could cause havoc. How do I know this? I was told by Rep friends in FL who have been laughing since the date was changed. Do I believe them? Looking at the facts and the result - yes."

My repub friends laugh constantly about this. And whats more, the people have no clue how foolish this looks. They still think it's the DNC's fault. One of my friends has this laugh that echoes and I cringe whenevr I hear it.

"From the accounts of Gov. Crist, this time the voting went flawlessly!!"

Actually it didn't because the date that it was moved to didnt abide by the Major two political parties as stated in the law. In fact, I was wondering if I could sue the state for punitive damages in that they knowingly denied me representation in my parties primary election. You see, here's why I focus so much on what and how people are saying it. The state doesnt want to pay for another election even though it is their fault. Well, they deny me the ability to follow the rules of my party. Hence the cost of paying me and my fellow voters is more then the cost of getting everything right. Therefore it is in the State of Floridas best interest to get the primary done in a legitimate fashion; that is by following the rules.

DCV

I guess the appropriate Remedy rests with the People of Florida, as you suggest. And the People, i.e., the voters are not without power to effecuate this Remedy.

There have been far too many screwed up elections in FL. Mayhaps it is time the Voters down there hold their elected officials accountable at the Ballot Box.

They should Throw the Bums Out.