Political Punch

The GOP wants obama to be the dem nomination - so no matter who wins the presidency Mccain or Obama - either way there is a republican in the white house. Both want the war to continue..don't believe it? Read the facts about obama that the mainstream media doesn't tell you about.

If Hillary Clinton wins by either using stealing delegates, including Michigan and Florida tallies as is (without re-votes), or using superdelegates, I can almost guarantee riots.

And I can guarantee that the vast majority of black people will never vote for her. Al Sharpton is planning on bringing a law suit if they try anything that disenfranchises voters (such as the many people who even NPR has reported did not vote because they knew the rules) in Florida.

Keep the hope people. We will not let the Hillary Clinton campaign get away with this kind of hypocrisy and theft of democracy.

I think the way of selecting a candidate by caucus should be banned in all of the states, including Iowa. Caucuses only give the people who have time to participate a role in selecting the candidate. They are only for a few hours and if you’re a little late to bad, you’re out. Here in Washington State the parties decided to have caucuses this year, I had to work during the caucus and was unable to attend. I feel cheated out of my vote and hope someone files a lawsuit to stop this practice of selecting a candidate by caucuses. I think it leaves out a large number of voters who would like to participate.

geevill, Greg Craig has worked on national security/foreign affairs - under Bill Clinton's adminsitration. according to the Washington Post (11/19/98), "Craig was the State Department's director of policy planning,... He also served as the U.S. special coordinator on Tibet, managing a critical piece of the Sino-American relationship."

He has also had some interesting clients. As an attorney, he defended William Jefferson Clinton - during his impeachment trial - for lying to the American people.

How common it is of ABC to cover up and lie for Democrats. Governor of new York and you cannot even say that he was a democrat. If that would have been a republican, it would have been your lead story and republican would have been mentioned in every sentence.
If I were standing in front of you I would spit right in your bias face.

Caucuses allow for paid political activist to participate as well as individuals from other parties to influence the vote. You figure out who has spent the most money.

Well said and AMEN SadStateOfAffairs

Oh Come ON!! Barack doesn't need to sift for delegates when he can get them the old fashion (chicago/Capone)way. Just continue threatening them into submission. Sheeesh......don't make it so complicated.

Note to antoineb: Senator Clinton did not campaign in FL and MI. On the other hand, Obama had major advertising in FL prior to the FL primary.

It is the one inviolable rule of party politics; don't promote the other party's candidate at the expense of your own.
In the past couple of weeks, Senator Hillary Clinton has violated that cardinal rule again and again.
She violated one other by campaigning in FL and MI
CLINTON-BUSH DINASTY (Following chelsea-jeb in 2012?)

why does ABC News include the Michigan and Florida popular vote and delgates in their count pushed on their Politics home page?

No other major media outlet is doing this

It is misleading and confusing and should reflect the actual state of the race and through today Florida and Michigan are not seated

Look at this Obama policy adviser Greg Craig. You want this guy working on National Security?

Mr. Craig has had many controversial and high profile clients during his career. In one of his first high-profile cases,
Mr. Craig represented John Hinckley, Jr., the would-be assassin of President Ronald Reagan in 1981-1982. Craig was the architect of Hinkley's successful insanity defense.[8]

He represented his former boss, Senator Edward Kennedy, during the 1991 rape trial of William Kennedy Smith.[9]

Let us look at the current situation from the different perspective and assume the hypothetical situation that Clinton was out in super Tuesday. The media would have lost lots of advertising revenue because the viewership would have lost to some junk serial or Reality show as there is less to discuss about Obama's past and nothing to discuss about McCain. I saw two reference to McCain in the abcnews Political Headlines. (Both the headlines were for VP.) Now, assume that both select woman VP(Condi Rice for McCain and also assume that Obama would have selected woman other than Hillary). So, there would be very few spark between democrats and republicans. The election coverage would gain momentum in last couple of months and the voters would have been scratching their head and saying that both guys have woman VP and one of the guy says he opposed the war and the other guys says he supported war and will stay in Iraq for sometime. Does any one of them is really useful? Hopefully not. Economy has further tanked. Should I flip my coin and vote or should I buy some beer instead of wasting $4/gallon on gas?

You are not a hard-working democrat if you will help put a Republican in the White House over anyone who believes in core Democratic values. Hard-working, maybe, but not a democrat.

The democratic process is sooooo ridiculous. If McCain is elected president it has nothing to do with Hillary or Obama but everything to do with people just preferring things to be SIMPLE. My goodness, there is a caucus, a primary, wait the caucus isn't official, and then in Texas a caucus and a primary. All these processes and no one is still at the goal of 2024 or is 2025. Somehow i feel like that number changed before my very eyes and I am left wondering how did that change to a 4. The democratic party needs to review their nominating process for the next 4 years. MAKE IT SIMPLE!!!

I will vote for McCain if Hillary is nominated. Her throw the kitchen, racially cloaked politics doesn't deserve my vote. The media knows it, as we all do. She's determined to destroy a good person. He may not be perfect, but I see and hear in him the good he trying to do for the country.

Remember: United we stand, divided we fall.

As an honest, hard working democrat, I will vote republican before I stand for a woman who is obviously trying to deceitfully steal the election from Senator Obama.

so for all her bluster about the will of the people, it still boils down to backdoor powerbroking. You can't win the vote, then work the politics. If Obama was so overtly trying to overturn these processes, you would be callign foul!

What Rhetoric!

Did Hillary fight through to get where she is now by herself or is it because her husband's presidency that gave her easy ride? What Experience is she mentioning or claiming to have, that would make her commander in chief?? Has she ever been on a decision making position at all that has affected AMERICANS?? Is she surrounded by super delegates because of her husband or herself? Who is running the presidency, Bill or Hillary? Is Bill Clinton fighting for His third term in the white house?

Hillary and her husband Bill Clinton are big players, I don’t think they are after the success of the Democratic Party rather they are feeding their own egos. Her selfish speech explains that she is endorsing Senator McCain as a fellow contestant and putting Senator Obama down as an opponent republican. I don’t think she has any stand at all to run the presidency against Senator McCain, because she has already endorsed him to be the best president who brings a life time experience. Who do you think is going to win the battle over a life time experience? Of course it is Senator John McCain who has 50+ years experience who is now 71 years old. That is why I am saying she is running a campaign against Senator Obama, the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and herself. And watch! Senator McCain will use this against her or Obama and the Democratic Party on the general election. I have a message for Senator Clinton that Senator Obama is not your opponent rather he is your party met or contestant.

Both the Clinton’s are looking for to have a great time in the white house, spending their late life in comfort. That is why they are fighting hard. She is not tested in her life time to take up 3 am phone call or to be a president. All what she claims to have doesn’t put her right above Senator Obama. As far as the truth goes this is the biggest failure of the Democratic Party failing to intervene in this circumstance and take a stand to stop the Senator’s nasty rhetoric. If they are not doing anything about it and if the so called super delegates shift towards Clinton ignoring the voice of the delegates and independent and democratic voters…. Then my vote goes to Senator John McCain at the general election.

Smarts helps win an election, and smarts helps run a country.

Hillary has solutions for the tough issues we face!

God bless Hillary and the USA.

I think that MI and FL should be seated at 50/50 and the superdelegates can cast their vote as they choose. I don't see anything else as being viewed as fair by either camp.

Go Hillary!

Hilary should just announce NOW that Edwards will be her running mate. Game over.

The GOP does not want Clinton they know that she will win they have had thier fun now we will get down to the nitty gritty of how this works so all the spin about Obama since Iowa being the front runner is just that there is plenty of time to see a win for Hillary and no one is going to not let MI. and FL.not count.

"Looks like Obama is still on the change bandwagon. Last night he told a rally in Mississipi that he blamed Hillary for the putting out the photo of him in african garb in order to scare people."

Let me guess. a lot of black folks in the crowd?

I'm supporting the 50/50 delegate split in Florida and Michigan.

If you are truly concern with seating the delegates, than this solution works and is no cost.

Now, if you are trying to fix the election and get Hillary more delegates...that is another story.

How can you be so concern with the people of Florida and Michigan having a voice..and the next breath you are saying the Superdelegates should go with their mind and not follow the people choice?????????

There is nothing holding any delegate to a certain candidate as we have seen with some jumping from Clinton to the Obama side, this is politics and unfortunately some just do not understand how it is done, so the Clinton camp has every right to see how many delegates they can get out of all this for their candidate.

I like what Jay Leno said last night: "The Democrats should forget about general election, they cann't even win their own election."

I'm assuming that the people posting here are enjoying their freedom of speech.

I know the media does.

I've been writing online since before the Internet. (BBS) And, yes, it was during the time of the Clintons in the Whitehouse.

I've studied Bill and Hillary quite closely.

My main concern regarding Hillary is her concept that she is all knowing. She will not listen, she will not
discuss. She will dictate. (ALL for our
good.)

If Hillary makes it to the Whitehouse the media had better remember that one of the first things the Clintons did was shut the door to the press.

Us, dumb folks out here better be careful what we say.

Enjoy your freedom...while you have it.

If this thing goes to the convention and is hotly contested the question will be IF the democrats put forth a candidate, not when. It will be amazing if there is no legal action.

The election is about politics, something about which Hillary knows infinitely more than Mr. Obama, or much of his campaign.

It is totally normal to try to convince delegates to switch sides, and they will.

John Edwards delegates have to pick another candidate, and the others could switch if one candidate becomes the clear front runner or if one seems more electable than the other for some reason.

That's the way conventions always work. Always have, always will.

That's politics. obama know that and plays it under the radar. How about paying super delegates, which he does much more than she odes by 3:1. How about promising various female govenors consideration of a VP spot, (why do you think they are supporting him)

He plays politics, some would say even dirtier Chicago style politics even more than Hillary. What do you call winning an election with caucuses????

Politics.

Its normal. That's how you win.

Looks like Obama is still on the change bandwagon. Last night he told a rally in Mississipi that he blamed Hillary for the putting out the photo of him in african garb in order to scare people. In the debate in Ohio he said that he took senator at her word that her campaingn did not have anything to do with the photo. Now he says she did. So he tells the voters of Ohio one thing and the voters of Mississippi another. Sound familiar? Naftagate? Well it seems Obama is for change that is if changing your mind counts as change. Now that is change we can beleive in!

The election is about politics, something about which Hillary knows infinitely more than Mr. Obama, or much of his campaign.

It is totally normal to try to convince delegates to switch sides, and they will.

John Edwards delegates have to pick another candidate, and the pthers could switch if one candidate becomes the clear front runner or if one seems more electable than the other for some reason.

That's the way conventions always work. Always have, always will.

That's politics.

Hillary is gonna burn her own house down before she lets Obama get the keys.

Looking more and more certain each day. This election is all about HER, not any of you.

Alright, Denmark then. :)

Its true that there seem to be a lack of understanding of the political process and the "rules" by people who support Obama. It is perfectly normal to convince delegates to switch sides, especially at caucuses which are in fact designed that way.

It is also normal and with in the rules to appeal to the credetial committee for Fl and MI delegates tobe seated, which was the assumption all along. They just didnt know it would be tied.

Its also within the rules to have a redo primary.

Obama's camp seems to like to cry foul when the rules or the process dont favour him.

Unfortunately for them, that's not the way the process works no matter how loudly they scream.

Delegates get to do what they want at convention.

Some delegates dont show, that's why you have alternates. Some delegates sleep in and miss votes. Some delegates register and them dont bother to vote. Some delegates switch sides. It happens all the time.

The electoral college is quite a bit more rock solid but technically even those delegates could change their minds.

Caucus delegates are definately fair game, especially Edwards delegates.

Thus buyers remorse is stupid. The reason people have "shifted" is because of the unethical means by which Hillary wants to win. In the end, I can GUARANTEE you Obama supporters will NOT vote for her - just read his blogs...

I thought Obama voters were our intellutual superiors. Why are they so uneducated about the political nominmation process?

"There are elected delegates, caucus delegates and superdelegates, all for different reasons"-- Hillary stated."But the best kind are stolen delegates"-- Hillary thought.

Money to Superdelegates: These current and former elected officials received campaign contributions from either Obama or Clinton in the 2006 and/or 2008 election cycles

Sen. Hillary Clinton (NY) Clinton $4,200 Clinton $0 Obama $4,200

Clinton $236,080
Obama $710,926

Contributions are based on data available electronically from the Federal Election Commission as of Jan. 11, 2008. The commitment of the superdelegates reflects their stance as of Feb. 25, 2008, and came from The Politico's running tally of superdelegates. Bold items were added after Feb. 14.

Obama donated $4,200 to Senator Hillary Clinton. So he endorses her for President I suppose?

Oh Blake, you're funny. In Canada, about 1% of the population choses Party delegates and nominees, you have to pay and be a member usually for 30 days or sometimes more before the vote. Republicans, Independents and those that want to register the same day would never be allowed to choose a Party nominee and Clinton would have been the clear winnner a long time ago.

Canadians have no idea why Democrats would allow people who aren't members of their PArty to make this decision for them.

This always happens. If a raceis decided by the final caucuses often they shift dramtically inton the winning camp. Delegates are always courted going into political conventions, even after they have committed to one candidate, especially if the candidate is int hird place as in Edwards delegates.

This is totally normal. In fact routine.

I'll have to say that this election has brought to light the high level of sexism and hatred towards men that alot of women have. This race has just as much to do about sex as it does race and in my opinion, neither has been a determining factor so get off your pedestal.

LOL @ Buyer's remorse. I guess everybody is forgetting that hundreds of thousands of people voted in the caucus and these "delegates" are only supposed to be representing them. SMH. Bye bye to our democracy. People talk like this is a game. Whatever happen to a wo/man's vote? It means nothing anymore, it's turned into who can milk the rules the most for their own purposes...good job Hill

We see how well stealing the nomination worked for former President Mondale

all i have to say is that i agree with the old quote. if you need something done get a woman to do it. if you need something said get a man to do it.

Have you ever had that initial buyers remorse... it's pretty common and human...usually insecurities in our own decision ability... What is also common is, realizing it almost always passes...and when the smoke clears we realize it was the smoke and that we are smarter than people give us credit for.

I'm moving to Canada if she wins it like this.

"ALL of this is within the rules."

Just like Obama was playing by the "rules" when he stole an election by having ALL his opponents thrown off the ballot. is suing to have people's divorce records unsealed playing by the rules?

The GOP hopes that Clinton is nominated, makes it all the easier for McCain.

Interesting, but it won't make any difference.

There's no way for Clinton anymore to get a lead in delegates.

This race is over; Clinton is still in it for the money, as will be revealed later this year.

If Clinton wins through a series of back room deals we will vote for Nader.

Buyer's remorse. except they haven't paid for it yet. They still have time to put Obama back on the shelf and pick Clinton.