Hillary and the Iraqi People

Mmm ...

Iranian Prez supporting Obama?

Good work you Obamanians! You have a new friend now.

I think she states point blank that the Iraqi people have been victimized. First by Saddam, then by a lack of leadership via the Bush administration and thirdly by the unwillingness of the Iraqi government to figue out a compromise for all factions. All at the cost of American and Iraqi lives.

I do think its a misstatement to say they have been "given" a gift. What would have been more appropriate was to state that "George Bush lied to his countrymen and women in order to invade your coutry and Bush is bringing you democracy your going to like it damn it." I think that would have been more in line as to what really happened.

Senator Obama knows nothing abut Iraq, or Afghanistan, or PAkistan. he doesn't show up for the meetings.

He just uses these countries as talking points in speeches that someone else has written that he reads from a teleprompter.

YOu know reads from a teleprompter well should be really low on the list of qualifications for President.

Anyways, I have no doubt that if Mr. Obama is nominated the Senator McCain will be President and the world will be a safer place because of it.

As a left leaning Liberal, I would vote for McCain. Mr. Obama's nomination is wreckless and dangerous at this time.

If I were having neurosurgery, I'd want a qualified Republican surgeon before a left Liberal unqualified resident operating on my spine. I see this election the same way.

Mr Obama is simply unqualified for the job and it doesnt really seem like he wants to be qualified for the job, his Presidency would be dangerous for the whole world and I truely believe that, eventhough ideologically I am much closer to being aligned with Mr. Obama's political beliefs.

It's not a popularity contest. Its a very Very very difficult job he is unqualified for.

It's funny to me how the American public says Iraq needes to stand on its own when they have no idea what Iraq looks like on the ground. Their infrustructure is destroyed, their way of life has gone upside down, they don't have running water or electricity, and on top of that there is thousands of years of religious tention. It is easy for Americans to say they need to stand on their own, but you don't realize that all the tools a government needs are either destroyed or were never there.

I think JPT is on Obama's payroll. Seriously, how in this quote does she in any way imply blame? She is right - eventually the Iraqi people and their government need to learn to stand on their own. We cannot be there forever, we should have never been ther at all, but certainly at some point, they need to take responsibility for their own future. We can lead the way, but we cannot hold their hand for the next 50-100 years as the Republicans want. Journalism is supposed to cover the news, with facts. Instead, it has become simply an outlet for opinionated politically motivated banter. JPT - if you are going to try to slander someone, you should at least get a relevant quote to back up your claim. Nothing in this quote indicates blame - it simply outlines the direction we need to help the Iraqis move in the future. It's great if we can help them out but we also do have our own people, our own troops and our own country to tend to. Perhaps without this multi-billion dollar senseless war, we wouldnt be in a recession. Which country is going to come bail us out from the oppression of the Bush regime?

The world, I can assure you wants someone who is qualified for the job of President of the United States.

I do find it interesting that people compare Obama to JFK, who had 12 more years of experience in the senate and was a war hero, and grew up in the parliaments of Europe and had a politcal family with connections.

Let's however go with the comparison. JFK brought us the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crises bringing the world to the brink of nuclear anhiilation, more entrenchment in Vietnam, civil war with Texas oil interests, and was assasinated after 2 years by any number for 4 different powerful groups because he was so bad at his job.

Sorry, he spent far too much time at parties and getting his picture taken and fooling around and couldn't even get the Civil Rights Act passed, eventhough he wanted to.

You know why, because he didnt' have the experience or the conections or the ability to do the job.

Enough of the fairy tale. Enough of Camelot redux. Examine the very dangerous and ineffectual Presidency of JFK without the rose coloured glasses and I assure you the world want someone competent and experienced in the position of President of the United States.

It's not a popularity contest.

HILLARY CLINTON has fought against suffering her entire life. You know that she is referring to the leadership of Iraq. The Iraqi people voted for that leadership so it is a common way to talk about an issue. Don't you remember the purple thumbs? Don't you remember George Bush's glee about the people having spoken with their purple thumbs. The problem is that the Bush team provided the Iraqi people with their slate of Democratic candidates. How is that Democracy? The truth is, the Iraqis could easily elect an anti-American firebrand who hates America, not unluck the head of Iran.

I beleive Hillary is speaking of the Iraque government who by the way has drug their heels through this entire war
She has said many times that they need to be responsible for their own country
They have let america take care of the whole thing for them and at times have had to be forced to do their part
She isnt speaking of the citizens she is speaking of the government and their army

s.b.

Well from this I think Sen Clinton may need to use more of the words Obama is using.

and the words I heard in just this blurb seem to be closer to Obama's words for the past few years than her own...

We need to come home but the fact that she addresses it this way shows the difference between them...

McCain - realizes what we did (although won't admit this way) and wants to stay and drive our economy into the ground...but save us from the potential of terrorists that will come out of this if we leave them hanging and they see us that way.

Sen. Obama says we need to give them the chance to stand on their own and a little tough love that they need to do it on their own... but we made a mistake going in for ourselves and for those people.

Sen Clinton says I didn't make a mistake we need to get out because that is what the polls now show...and what did barack and the rest of the dem candidates say? oh ... we need to go ...we gave you a gift now do something with it.

President Bush says...
we should've gone in we gave them a gift.

VP Cheney says shut up all of you... where's my check from Halliburton?

Once again...we can't be playing politics... this isn't about Sen. Clinton being president...it is about the best president for the job.

Obama most fill like a pin cushion with all of the attacks from the left and the right. All of this is called the Democrat’s way of electing someone? Obama has been Tarred and Feathers in the press with all of the vetting.

The American people went through 8 years of the Clintons and it was a roller coaster.

NO this fine journalist is injecting his own bias into the speech of a woman who has dedicated 7 years to the armed services Committee, the men and women of the US military forces and resolving the situation in Iraq.

You know if he had ever injected an unbiased editorial comment into one of MR Obama's speeches, it might seem like journalism.

As I have said, how can one editorialize sound bites from other people's words?? Obama gives non speeches that are more like cut and pasted sermons.

One of the most substantive addresses of the campaign deserves better coverage than Mr. Tapper's absurd assertion that Hillary Clinton is blaming anyone, let alone the people of Iraq.

And she's right! It's time for the Iraqi people to take charge of their own affairs and bring security to their people.

But I suppose Mr Tapper is more impressed by recycled sound bites, "I have a dream" "the time is now" "bamboozled", etc etc.

Clinton says:

"they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being – the gift of freedom"

To me this only proves how wrong she is on a LOT of things again.

Clinton should know, certainly as a politician who claims to fight for women rights, to what extent the situation of women in Iraq has deteriorated since the USA waged the illegal war she voted for. Today they are bereft of the most of the rights they enjoyed while (the terrible) Saddam Hussein was in power. They are in a most deplorable situation, having lost so many men in their families, while being denied the opportunities to earn a living for themselves or their families.
CNN only recently aired an impressive documentary series on the situation of women in Iraq today. Clinton apparently missed it, as she has missed all the reliable studies there were out there on Irag when she voted for an illegal war.

What does she mean with "the gift of freedom"? Is mass murder freedom? Is the total chaos, destruction and anarchy in a country something a American politician could and should call "freedom"? Is the everyday threat of being shot or blown up by roadside bombs what a candidate for the American Presidency should call "freedom"?

Since we Americans destroyed the Iraqi infrastructure, power supplies, army and police forces etc., should we act as if the Iraqis were to blame for the difficulty they have in restoring some order and normality in their society?

Does this woman think she is fit to be our next President? I for one am confident she is not, in no way even, and this is just one of her many (and continually shifting) stands to prove it.

s.b....then why wasn't she smart enough to read the National Intelligence Estimate before she voted to send our sons and daughters into this war?

as far as foreign policy experience ...which at least Obama doesn't say he dis stuff that he didn't...

Which candidate does it seem a predominance of the world is rooting for?

An excuse to attack JAke Tapper??

NO its a critique of a supposed journalist injecting an absurd editorial suposition into a speech by HIllary Clinton.

I mean one can't even make editorial supporsitions about any Obama speeches because all they do is quote other people. Sound bites for the mentaslly challenged who watch too much tv and too much American Idol. They aren't even his words.

So Clinton actually delivers a speech of substance on an issue critical to the entire planet and this so called journalist needs to inject an aburd conclusion based on his own bias.

NO I expect journalist to report the news. The newsher eis that HIllary Clinton knows a whole lot more about internatioal affairs tha Mr. Obama and actually does her job on the senate armed services committee.

Mr obama can't give a speech on Afghanistan because he's never been there, never met its leaders, never conveened the committee that deals with NATO and probably couldn't find the UN with a map.

It is becoming more and more blurred on what freedom of speech is and the media's right to write freely. Fanaticism is ruining everything.

A fine journalist expressing his viewpoint and objectively dissecting a piece that we all have heard and watched Senator Clinton made; and now the blame is on the journalist as if he was the one who wrote Ms. Clinton's foreign relation speech.

Shame on you people! stop taking bites out of freedom for the sake of blindly supporting a candidate who does not give damn about you in the first place.

Incidentally, we keep hearing folks trying to tear down any experience Clinton might have, until it matches the ZERO experience that Obama has.

Well, in his very own words on N. Ireland, you know, that place that Obama has never been too except maybe at Epcot - - -

"In August 1999 the British Secretary for Northern Ireland, Mo Mowlam, told Ireland’s Talk Magazine:

Hillary is one of the essential reasons we’ve had 18 months of relative peace. Without her we would have no economic boom."

and there's this follow up:

Senator George Mitchell, the chief negotiator at the North Ireland peace talks has said of Hillary,

“She was very much involved in encouraging the emergence of women in the political process in Northern Ireland, which was a significant factor in ultimately getting an agreement.”

In 1997 at the University of Ulster, County Antrim, Hillary delivered the first memorial lecture in memory of the recently deceased Belfast community worker, Mrs. Joyce McCartan, who had lost 18 relatives during the Troubles."

So you can keep claiming she has no experience all you like.

Whatever little she has, Obama has even less.

The man has been to 4 countries in 40+ years. Never represented his State or His Nation. Ever. Not Once.

Never negotiated anything but the measurements on his suits.

Never placed a TOE in our country's strongest Allies. Never been to a NATO country is his life.

Never been to Europe. Never Been to S. America. Never Been to C. America. Never Been to Japan, or China, or Hong Kong, or Russia, or Australia. Hell, there is no proof he has even been to Canada.

So can we dispense with the idea he is some kind of World Diplomat.

Again, the only World Travel this guy has done was at Epcot, in Orlando.

It is sad to see how Hillary and other people want to wash their hands of the war they brought to Iraqi people. Sadam is gone, there is WMD, No Alqaeda and now we want to leave the country in a chaos. Mccain is right, we have to finish the mess we created. we cannot run like cowards. the whole world knew this war was wrong but with arrogance, we got engaged and now we have problems and caused more problems to poor civilians in Iraq.

wow sorry my comment totally sounds like I am accusing you jake...I am not...I think the report you gave is not biased...she left out a huge piece of this and a plan to remove troops ...and I am one of those who is almost on the fence ..."you break it, you bought it" you don't wear the dress to the prom and return it the next day when the world is watching and you have to buy in the future on credit...

having said that we can't afford the dress... so the plan... Whatever it is needs to try and do as little damage as possible...

It's like releasing the prisoners into the desert and saying ...you need to farm ...here is a rake, and some seed...
They keep asking for more help because they aren't farmers...and we think it is basic to be able to farm...
Finally we say ...we can't anymore... but "you're welcome...now look, we gave you this gift of freedom you need to survive..."

and we walk away one of two things is going to happen...they succeed out of necessity...or they fail out of complexity.

...and if they fail who are they going after?

and if they succeed ... and we don't acknowledge that we may have gotten them out of a prison but WE left them in the desert where they may now starve and kill each other...or better yet be taken over by a worse dictator... How do you think they are going to look at us? Like they should help us?

We need to leave and they need to stand on their own...but don't give that condescending tone that sounds like my mother...and my mother pisses most people off when she lives in a very nice house in Florida and has never had to fight the battles that most have to fight.

Hillary Clinton has been on the Senate Armed Services Committee for 7 years. She shows up. She does the work. She knows an awful lot about IRAQ.

As opposed to Obama who has barely set foot in the senate except for photo ops, and has NEVER, yes NEVER comnveened the committee he chairs on Afghanistan. He's too busy running for a job he's completely and dangerously unqualified to do.

Hillary knows an awful lot about what's happening in Iraq.