Hillary Clinton's "Ben Tre" Strategy?

Hillary Clinton lies, cheats, and plays dirty. She has "brazened out" more scandals than anyone I am aware of in the history of this country. Is that the experience she wants to bring to the White House? She wants to claim victories in Florida and Michigan....let's call her what she is: a cheater! If Obama had done the same thing, she would be on a rant about it. By trying to overturn the agreement she signed on to, she is making the party look bad once again. She is willing to give the impression that Democrats are disenfranchising people. I'm sure that will come back to haunt the Democratic nominee whomever it may be. She has been campaigning for John McCain, and it's certainly helped him in the polls.

I think this nation should start choosing candidates based not upon the color of their skin or their gender, but on their character. Hillary wouldn't qualify as a dogcatcher if character were a criterion.

She might be able to henpeck Bill, but I sure don't want her sending me to MY room without supper. How can anyone watch her shaking her finger at anyone else and saying, "Shame on YOU..." when she's never shown any shame for her own or her husband's perfidy and shady dealings. They both pretend they are "just like us common folk," but they actually consider themselves superior...They think they're smarter than the rest of us, and that we're all too dumb to see through their act.

Hillary is pure, unadulterated (well, she was actually adulterated a few times)ambition. She thinks it's her "turn," and that she's "owed" this nomination. Several years ago I heard she was considering Alan Page (former Minnesota Viking, currently on the Minnesota Supreme Court) as her running mate. At the time, I thought she was way too full of herself. Now I realize that she's full of much, much more than herself. She's full of rage, vengeance, and hatred.....and she's going to run over anyone that gets in her way.

I'm very sad that Barack Obama,someone with the stature, dignity, and maturity that Hillary Clinton lacks, has been dragged down by the typical Clinton dirty tactics. Meanwhile, it looks like the American electorate is as dumb as the Clintons think we are. She's succeeded in fooling so many of the people so much of the time. Is it any wonder that she thinks no one can stop her from stopping a nothing?

Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Al Gore, John Edwards.....I beseech you and any other Democrats of stature who might be able to stop this runaway train, DO something. Do it soon.

I understand there is a rule in the military that says first man in is first man out.

When the VC offered McCain release from prison he refused because he would be cutting in line since he wasn't the first man captured. That's the man I'm votiing for.

Compare this to Hillary trying to do ANYTHING, absolutely anything to get her way - actually, there's no comparison between the two.

If Clinton steals the primary and is on the ticket come November I hope Nader has a good message - he just may be getting my vote. I am an Independent that the Democrats had in their palm of their hand, but Clinton in the past week has made me sour and questioning the whole DNC - they can't seem to control the Clinton Machine - the Machine will control the DNC to destruction in 08 (my prediction)

What if Obama wins the Democratic nominations and loses to McCain? I can definitely see that as a possibility.

I bet most of the Obamatons would blame the Clintons. I think the Democratic party is facing a real possibility of losing in Nov 08.

Be real, don't fall in the GOP trap...pick the right candidate. Make-up your own minds and vote for the person you feel is qualified for the position.

Don't pick someone because the media says they'll win, or lose. Remember, the same media said Hillary was going to walk through the nomination process? Be grown-ups with reasoning capabilities not sheeps with stary eyes.

Dems risk losing again to the GOP, but this time, it'll be because of their gullibility to fancy political rhetoric, and media hype!!! Don't Believe the HYPE....

This whole Obama thing makes me sick. Why would anyone in their right mind vote for him. He is a junior senator. He goes to a church that puts Africa before the USA and the black race before the human race. He and wife both hate America. What are people thinking. I will never, ever, ever vote for him. I will vote John McCain if he is the nominee. At least John McCain loves and wants to protect America.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I won't be staying home. I'll be going to the polls to happily vote McCain.

Obama is a product of mediahype and nothing more. He is the Golden Boy of Ophra and the darling of the press. This Rezko trial has tainted his Mr. Clean image and his double talk Nafta made him a sly politician. Now comes the his paln for Iraq war with this Smamntha Power loud mouth interview, he is again caught. He is now trouble on whether to fight dirty since he is campiagning for clean piolitics ( jus wondering how he runhis candidacy in Chicago with Rezko as his supporters for 17 years) or just play a lamb and give his left cheek instead. He wants to let the media take more easy on him by not posting his picture with Rezko because people might have an intelligent discenment on who he is. He wants to stay the darling of the press and the messiah of change. Please people in the nedia listen to his prayers so he can win the superdelagates and become a nominee. Please voters for Mississippi, Pensylvania, North Carolina.." please . listen to my speeches once more" he prayed every day. He wants to punch Hillary down because she is so tough he can not beat her in Ohio and Texas. He wants also to beat up the poeple who leak the memo and Power for her loud mouth that to put him to shame, having as adviser who is a loud mouth whne they are supposed to be belong to a camp of gentle and good people.. Obama wants to unite the Blacks and divide the White. He wants to unite the radicals and conservatives for his vision of peace. Please understand his predicament now because he is agitating within himself if he is capable to become a leader because Hillary with all her outspoken words always remind him of his only speech in 2002 when he has delivered more speeches and copied more words. He is exposed now and afraid that he will burn to his fire he created and beated up by a tough woman who derails his goals. He prayed that this woman should not be his VP because it is premature.. and he is counting that Hillary will lose in the next primary.

"Your priorities are all messed-up. The first Clinton administration ..." well, to economists, their roles are extremely limited. They are the beneficiries of the end of cold war (reduced military spending) and technology advancement (internet).

Repulicans can point to their agenda for the accomplishment too. The first item on the "contract with America", is "balance budget".

However, Bill Clinton did inflict a lot of damage to democrats. Do you know why congress lost to repulicans in 1994? It was Hillary's failed health care reform.

After that, Bill Clinton essentially abondoned democrats. At the strongest opposition of most democrats, he teamed up with Repulicans and passed NAFTA. This almost assured declining of democrats.

I can go on and on ...

These are just politics. I have not added the cost that democrats have paid to protect them scandals after scandals. His administration is the most scandalous administration in the entire US history.

GWB made a lot of fatal mistakes. But his ethics and his administration is almost scandal-free, so far (although some may argue differently). At least, there is nothing related directly to Bush or Laura. I feel this is a positive thing and I would like to keep it that way. Boy, what a contrast ...

"Look, you people can believe all the lies (about Clintons) you want ... "

Right, everything negative about Clinton is a lie, according to Clintons. But, he can also lie to grand jury. Well, that takes a lot of guts and calculation. Of course, it also means huge damage to the party that protected them: DEMOCRATS.

Looking back, I think many democrats start to realize there could be some truth in the provocative (and nasty) statements made by right-wing repulicans (those that we democrats disagree on every single sentence) about Clintons.

Clintons are just plain cancerous to democratic party. They always believe they are above the law. They have no respect to the rules.

Many Obama supporters will admit that their candidate is not perfect. His color is a bit dark which may give some people a bit excuse not to vote for him. He has a funy name. He gives extremely good speech. He inspires people. He does not play negative politics. And, he is sometimes a bit naive for not attacking Clintons.

Other than these, he is just by far a lot cleaner than Clintons (although it does not look that from their skin colors).

Last, last post:

Your priorities are all messed-up. The first Clinton administration was the most successful and accomplished Democratic Administration we have ever had.

They truly delivered and brought hope, and change to our country.

I have spoken with many seniors who say it was the best they witnessed in their lifetimes.

They are incredibly intelligent, hard-working, compassionate, dedicated, people.

That is what is truly important.

Their personal marital affairs should have always been only their business.

Barack has already shown really bad judgement and made mistakes - like by having Rezko do him the favor of helping him buy his house when he knew Rezko was under investigation for fraud, extortion, money laundering, etc.

So people make mistakes, politics and life can be complicated sometimes.

Focus on what's most important to our country, and not every little mistake.

Goodnight really this time ~

Clintons never found guilty of any wrong doing?

Errrr....how about perjury for which Bill lost his license to practice law?

Plus all the things that were outright wrong, un=presidential behavior - like pardoning Marc Rich - that weren't technically a crime.

Ok SuzieQ -

One last post from me tonight and I have to go.

Let's be logical, shall we?

Which do you think is more likely to be true and accurate: information from Hillary's opponents, or from people who know her well - not people who've had so-called "dealings" with her.

Plus, there are critics who love to write controverisal books that they think will make them lots of money.

They are often the truly greedy, slanted, jealous, petty ones, part of the often-skewed "sensationalist-journalistic" tabloid press.

You sound very paranoid about her.

You sound determined to focus on every little negative thing you have ever heard about her.

I will have to look up all the quotes about the Irish peace talks - but I am sure it makes sense if you look at the quotes in context.

She probably just said she participated in them, which is true.

Goodnight ~

Sharon,

Those things you are listing and believing about the Clintons are lies.

The Clintons have never been found of ANY WRONGDOING.

It's really scary that people believe in that crap.

All that in your post about the Clintons are lies and crap.

Especially the murder lies - they are so incredibly false and insane.

People die everyday of different causes, and guess what - the Clintons aren't murdering all of them.

Lauren... I read accounts of people who have personally had dealings with Hillary and I have read lots of them and have accumulated tons of information. They aren't all lies! These come from too many different people, including people I personally know.

Hillary has been claiming that she is vetted". So you can't criticize us for doing our own research and having an opinion of her that doesn't happen to agree with yours.

BTW, did you read the article in the UK Telegraph where a Nobel prize winner involved in the Irish peace process says Hillary's claims of her involvement are "silly" and overstated? Hillary invites this scrutiny by telling the lies.

For all of you that think good things of Hillary, you need to check multiple sites that will inform you all the issues both her and Bill did. A number of murders are related to them, one a female that was taking him to court regarding sexual advances, (not Monica), about 45 people mysteriously died of gunshot wounds that were giving information about them to the courts. A number of Whitehouse employees moving to other countries, standing on the 5th. Having a Co-President is very illegal. Is That what you would want again? They would do whatever to be in the Whitehouse another 8 yrs. breaking alot of laws, lying, doing whatever it takes to get what they want.

If Hillary is really for the poor, why did they steal millions of dollars, feeling they need/want more money. She is a fake/lier/lazy/damaging to our country. She is one that got the businesses moving out of country (NAFTA), costing us millions of jobs and dollars.

I heard a female that has worked with Hillary for 35 yrs. on TV stating how lazy she is, how she told the Democrates to wreck the Whitehouse upon their leaving it, that she poured coffee down files, (what would she want to cover up), phone cords were cut, graffeti painted on a number of walls, a number of rooms had a lot of garbage in it, the letter w was removed from several (100?) computers. Damages cost triple diget,(thousands of dollars) to clean the Whitehouse.
Who/what kind of person would want that back in our Whitehouse? It isn't the media that is giving her the reputation, the Clinton's have earned that all by themselfs.

Pictures of the President and Vice President is normally hung in a number of places in the Whitehouse, not with them, the pictures were of the Clinton's not the vice-President. Clinton lovers need to really accept them for the people they are. Not the lies they have been telling us.

What has Hillary accomplished that gives her the experience to be the best canidate. Just living in the Whitehouse doesn't give her experience. The health care project Bill gave her she couldn't accomplish getting that approved.

Obama is a Born Again Christian. He will be one that will be able to turn this country around, working with the general public to get things changed. He will not be giving money to the richest people and keeping some himself. He is one that is dedicated to help the poor, including the homeless, with no home, medical, money etc. What would Hillary do? He is also going to help the veterans get the medical care, needing not driving hundreds of miles/hours away from home, waiting weeks, months, yrs. for medical care. He has lived in a number of countries, and knows how to communicate with them, he will be the best one to serve our country. I want someone that is caring, giving, intelligent, honest, hard worker, a good speaker, a good communicator, and one that knows how to do planning to accomplish getting things done. Obama is the one that has gotten thousands of people in every state to vote that never voted, gave up voting (I'm one of them) to vote again.
Obama has 20 yrs. experience.

Voters Please Think Hard, do research on the canidates before voting.

Obama lies and presents himself as something he is not. When instead of a speech he could vote, Obama Voted Against the withdrawal of troops and proposed legislation calling for a drawdown Only After he was running for president and polls showed voters favoring it.

Look, you people can believe all the lies you want - but just remember you don't really know the truth until you personally know Hillary yourself - or until you have walked in her shoes, you truly have no right to judge or think you really know.

How would you like other people to come and judge you and your life - without even knowing you - to believe a bunch of lies about you?

If you have a pre-formed strong negative opinion of someone, you will see everything they do as negative. You will see everything through the lens of your strong negative opinion.

If she smiles, she's fake, if she does something good, she's scheming. This is prejudice at work. This is the same psychological dynamic that used to make people think that certain minorities or classes were dumb, or any other number of self-fufilling perceptions. So just keep that in mind. I assure you, she is a good woman. There are many people who truly know her, who really like her. Both in politics - like James Carville who said on GMA the other day that she's one of the people he loves the most in this world, and it hurts him so much when he hears the things people say about her, because they are so false. Or the famous author John Grisham who loves her and thinks she's a wonderful woman, or Steven Spielberg supports her and is her friend. These are people who actually know her and are not her opponents.

So let's keep a grip on reality in mind, and try to be objective, and realize that there are a lot of 'haters' on-line who love to spew hate, lies, and false accusations.

From CBS's "For the Record"

"She went into the Senate not as a show horse but as a work horse," said former Hillary Clinton press secretary Lisa Caputo.

Learning the Senate power structure, landing a coveted spot on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and reaching out to former Republican foes.

She teamed with Bill Frist on modernizing medical record - and with Tom DeLay on foster care. She teamed with Lindsay Graham, who had led the impeachment effort against her husband, on benefits for veterans. She worked with Newt Gingrich on health care policy.

"We were agreeing with each other so much, I think people were thinking: 'the end is near!'" Clinton said about her collaboration with Gingrich.

"The most fascinating thing about Clinton in the Senate was to hear the conservative Republicans that had gone back home and often advanced their own political careers by using Hillary as the great whipping person," said Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, "going around saying privately and for some of them publicly, 'wow what a nice person and what a terrific colleague.'"

Hitchens agrees with the neocons regarding the war on terror. He sees an extreme danger there as do most people willing to face the issue. I actually think most of the congress agrees about the danger which is why the funding bills keep getting passed. I think the congress is using their vocal opposition to the war as a way to get votes. After all, they couldn't agree with Bush and still stay in business, could they? This is why Hillary voted for the war..she knew enough to know we had to confront the devil or it would just keep getting worse. What I can't handle is her backtracking on it now instead of standing up for what she believed in. I actually think that if Hillary had been President she would have taken on Bin Laden instead of waffling the way Bill did. I think of the two, she has more backbone.
Unfortunately there are two sides to that knife.

Where I agree with Obama is he wants to put an end to the hyper-partisanship which is where Hillary lives. I'm so sick of the divisiveness! Pitting one group against another prevents us getting anything done - creates fear and distrust and Hillary does this intentionally - read her hero Saul Alinsky on this. She follows him to a T. She has told people that if they don't go along with her she will destroy them...and has done this. It's called Blood Sport and she thinks it's the "fun part". She likes to capitalize on this for her own benefit - the pain she causes those she targets is of no concern to her.

My other problem with Hillary is her lack of ethics and character. She'll stop at nothing to get her way. And, she is no saint and I don't expect any of our candidates to be but she is especially malicious to those she figures are in her way. Once again I have to say that the way she treated the women her husband molested - well it's just sickening for her to attack the victims to protect her career.

Here is the man, a Democrat, who noted Hillary's character defects a long time ago:

"During my 14-year tenure with the House Judiciary Committee, I had supervisory authority over several hundred staff members. With the exception of Ms. Rodham, Doar and Nussbaum, I recommend all of them for future positions of public and private trust."

Jerry Zeifman is the author of "Without Honor: The Impeachment of President Nixon and the Crimes of Camelot," which describes the above matters in more detail. (See www.iethical.org/book.htm)

I think we're quite fortunate to have an alternative to Hillary. Obama has shown great courage and management skills in taking on Hillary and her machine - which, BTW, turns out to be not so well run. The NYT says today that Hillary was stunned to find out that the campaign was broke, despite getting weekly emails regarding the campaign's financial status. You might want to check out that article and see if the NYT thinks she's qualified to run a nation.

Thanks for looking up Hitchens. Interesting how the war has made strange bedfellows.

Add "spoiler" to the Clintons' record of private, public and financial misdeeds.

A party of change cannot be a party to corruption.

The good thing about taking a bridge to the 21st century is that you do get to the other side--no replays of the awfulness the Clintons and a bunch of brain dead GOPers visited on this country ...

"Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom," sayeth Barack.

Let's get this country moving again.

For all of you that think good things of Hillary, you need to check multiple sites that will inform you all the issues both her and Bill did. A number of murders are related to them, one a female that was taking him to court regarding sexual advances, not Monica, about 45 people mysteriously died of gunshot wounds that were giving information about them to the courts. A number of Whitehouse employees moving to other countries, standing on the 5th. Having a Co-President is very illegal. That is what we would want again, and they would do whatever to be in the Whitehouse another 8 yrs. breaking alot of laws, lying, doing whatever it takes to get what they want.

If Hillary is really for the poor, why did they steal millions of dollars, feeling they need/want more money. She is a fake/lier/lazy/damaging to our country. She is one that got the businesses moving out of country, costing us millions of jobs.

I heard a female that has worked with Hillary for 35 yrs. on TV stating how lazy she is, how she told the Democrates to wreck the Whitehouse upon leaving it, that she poured coffee down files, (what would she want to cover up), phone cords were cut, graffeti painted on a number of walls, a number of rooms had a lot of garbage in it, the letter w was removed from several (100?) computers. Damages cost triple diget,(thousands of dollars) to clean the Whitehouse.
Who/what kind of person would want that back in our Whitehouse? It isn't the media that is giving her the reputation, the Clinton's have earned that all by themselfs.

Pictures of the President and Vice President is normally hung in a number of places in the Whitehouse, not with them, the pictures were of the Clinton's not the vice-President. Clinton lovers need to really accept them for the person they are. Not the lies they have been telling us.

What has Hillary accomplished that gives her the experience to be the best canidate. Just living in the Whitehouse doesn't give her experience. The health care project Bill gave her she couldn't accomplish getting that approved.

Obama is a Born Again Christian. He will be one that will be able to turn this country around, working with the general public to get things changed. He will not be giving money to the richest people and keeping some himself. He is one that is dedicated to help the poor, including the homeless, with no home, medical, money etc. What would Hillary do? He is also going to help the veterans get the medical care, needing not driving hundreds of miles/hours away from home, waiting weeks, months, yrs. for medical care. He has lived in a number of countries, and knows how to communicate with them, he will be the best one to serve our country. I want someone that is caring, giving, intelligent, honest, hard worker, a good speaker, a good communicator, and one that knows how to do planning to accomplish getting things done. Obama is the one that has gotten thousands of people in every state to vote that never voted, gave up voting (I'm one of them) to vote again.

Voters Please Think Hard, do research on the canidates before voting.