Political Punch

Hillary Clinton lies, cheats, and plays dirty. She has "brazened out" more scandals than anyone I am aware of in the history of this country. Is that the experience she wants to bring to the White House? She wants to claim victories in Florida and Michigan....let's call her what she is: a cheater! If Obama had done the same thing, she would be on a rant about it. By trying to overturn the agreement she signed on to, she is making the party look bad once again. She is willing to give the impression that Democrats are disenfranchising people. I'm sure that will come back to haunt the Democratic nominee whomever it may be. She has been campaigning for John McCain, and it's certainly helped him in the polls.

I think this nation should start choosing candidates based not upon the color of their skin or their gender, but on their character. Hillary wouldn't qualify as a dogcatcher if character were a criterion.

She might be able to henpeck Bill, but I sure don't want her sending me to MY room without supper. How can anyone watch her shaking her finger at anyone else and saying, "Shame on YOU..." when she's never shown any shame for her own or her husband's perfidy and shady dealings. They both pretend they are "just like us common folk," but they actually consider themselves superior...They think they're smarter than the rest of us, and that we're all too dumb to see through their act.

Hillary is pure, unadulterated (well, she was actually adulterated a few times)ambition. She thinks it's her "turn," and that she's "owed" this nomination. Several years ago I heard she was considering Alan Page (former Minnesota Viking, currently on the Minnesota Supreme Court) as her running mate. At the time, I thought she was way too full of herself. Now I realize that she's full of much, much more than herself. She's full of rage, vengeance, and hatred.....and she's going to run over anyone that gets in her way.

I'm very sad that Barack Obama,someone with the stature, dignity, and maturity that Hillary Clinton lacks, has been dragged down by the typical Clinton dirty tactics. Meanwhile, it looks like the American electorate is as dumb as the Clintons think we are. She's succeeded in fooling so many of the people so much of the time. Is it any wonder that she thinks no one can stop her from stopping a nothing?

Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Al Gore, John Edwards.....I beseech you and any other Democrats of stature who might be able to stop this runaway train, DO something. Do it soon.

I understand there is a rule in the military that says first man in is first man out.

When the VC offered McCain release from prison he refused because he would be cutting in line since he wasn't the first man captured. That's the man I'm votiing for.

Compare this to Hillary trying to do ANYTHING, absolutely anything to get her way - actually, there's no comparison between the two.

If Clinton steals the primary and is on the ticket come November I hope Nader has a good message - he just may be getting my vote. I am an Independent that the Democrats had in their palm of their hand, but Clinton in the past week has made me sour and questioning the whole DNC - they can't seem to control the Clinton Machine - the Machine will control the DNC to destruction in 08 (my prediction)

What if Obama wins the Democratic nominations and loses to McCain? I can definitely see that as a possibility.

I bet most of the Obamatons would blame the Clintons. I think the Democratic party is facing a real possibility of losing in Nov 08.

Be real, don't fall in the GOP trap...pick the right candidate. Make-up your own minds and vote for the person you feel is qualified for the position.

Don't pick someone because the media says they'll win, or lose. Remember, the same media said Hillary was going to walk through the nomination process? Be grown-ups with reasoning capabilities not sheeps with stary eyes.

Dems risk losing again to the GOP, but this time, it'll be because of their gullibility to fancy political rhetoric, and media hype!!! Don't Believe the HYPE....

This whole Obama thing makes me sick. Why would anyone in their right mind vote for him. He is a junior senator. He goes to a church that puts Africa before the USA and the black race before the human race. He and wife both hate America. What are people thinking. I will never, ever, ever vote for him. I will vote John McCain if he is the nominee. At least John McCain loves and wants to protect America.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I won't be staying home. I'll be going to the polls to happily vote McCain.

Obama is a product of mediahype and nothing more. He is the Golden Boy of Ophra and the darling of the press. This Rezko trial has tainted his Mr. Clean image and his double talk Nafta made him a sly politician. Now comes the his paln for Iraq war with this Smamntha Power loud mouth interview, he is again caught. He is now trouble on whether to fight dirty since he is campiagning for clean piolitics ( jus wondering how he runhis candidacy in Chicago with Rezko as his supporters for 17 years) or just play a lamb and give his left cheek instead. He wants to let the media take more easy on him by not posting his picture with Rezko because people might have an intelligent discenment on who he is. He wants to stay the darling of the press and the messiah of change. Please people in the nedia listen to his prayers so he can win the superdelagates and become a nominee. Please voters for Mississippi, Pensylvania, North Carolina.." please . listen to my speeches once more" he prayed every day. He wants to punch Hillary down because she is so tough he can not beat her in Ohio and Texas. He wants also to beat up the poeple who leak the memo and Power for her loud mouth that to put him to shame, having as adviser who is a loud mouth whne they are supposed to be belong to a camp of gentle and good people.. Obama wants to unite the Blacks and divide the White. He wants to unite the radicals and conservatives for his vision of peace. Please understand his predicament now because he is agitating within himself if he is capable to become a leader because Hillary with all her outspoken words always remind him of his only speech in 2002 when he has delivered more speeches and copied more words. He is exposed now and afraid that he will burn to his fire he created and beated up by a tough woman who derails his goals. He prayed that this woman should not be his VP because it is premature.. and he is counting that Hillary will lose in the next primary.

"Your priorities are all messed-up. The first Clinton administration ..." well, to economists, their roles are extremely limited. They are the beneficiries of the end of cold war (reduced military spending) and technology advancement (internet).

Repulicans can point to their agenda for the accomplishment too. The first item on the "contract with America", is "balance budget".

However, Bill Clinton did inflict a lot of damage to democrats. Do you know why congress lost to repulicans in 1994? It was Hillary's failed health care reform.

After that, Bill Clinton essentially abondoned democrats. At the strongest opposition of most democrats, he teamed up with Repulicans and passed NAFTA. This almost assured declining of democrats.

I can go on and on ...

These are just politics. I have not added the cost that democrats have paid to protect them scandals after scandals. His administration is the most scandalous administration in the entire US history.

GWB made a lot of fatal mistakes. But his ethics and his administration is almost scandal-free, so far (although some may argue differently). At least, there is nothing related directly to Bush or Laura. I feel this is a positive thing and I would like to keep it that way. Boy, what a contrast ...

"Look, you people can believe all the lies (about Clintons) you want ... "

Right, everything negative about Clinton is a lie, according to Clintons. But, he can also lie to grand jury. Well, that takes a lot of guts and calculation. Of course, it also means huge damage to the party that protected them: DEMOCRATS.

Looking back, I think many democrats start to realize there could be some truth in the provocative (and nasty) statements made by right-wing repulicans (those that we democrats disagree on every single sentence) about Clintons.

Clintons are just plain cancerous to democratic party. They always believe they are above the law. They have no respect to the rules.

Many Obama supporters will admit that their candidate is not perfect. His color is a bit dark which may give some people a bit excuse not to vote for him. He has a funy name. He gives extremely good speech. He inspires people. He does not play negative politics. And, he is sometimes a bit naive for not attacking Clintons.

Other than these, he is just by far a lot cleaner than Clintons (although it does not look that from their skin colors).

Last, last post:

Your priorities are all messed-up. The first Clinton administration was the most successful and accomplished Democratic Administration we have ever had.

They truly delivered and brought hope, and change to our country.

I have spoken with many seniors who say it was the best they witnessed in their lifetimes.

They are incredibly intelligent, hard-working, compassionate, dedicated, people.

That is what is truly important.

Their personal marital affairs should have always been only their business.

Barack has already shown really bad judgement and made mistakes - like by having Rezko do him the favor of helping him buy his house when he knew Rezko was under investigation for fraud, extortion, money laundering, etc.

So people make mistakes, politics and life can be complicated sometimes.

Focus on what's most important to our country, and not every little mistake.

Goodnight really this time ~

Clintons never found guilty of any wrong doing?

Errrr....how about perjury for which Bill lost his license to practice law?

Plus all the things that were outright wrong, un=presidential behavior - like pardoning Marc Rich - that weren't technically a crime.

Ok SuzieQ -

One last post from me tonight and I have to go.

Let's be logical, shall we?

Which do you think is more likely to be true and accurate: information from Hillary's opponents, or from people who know her well - not people who've had so-called "dealings" with her.

Plus, there are critics who love to write controverisal books that they think will make them lots of money.

They are often the truly greedy, slanted, jealous, petty ones, part of the often-skewed "sensationalist-journalistic" tabloid press.

You sound very paranoid about her.

You sound determined to focus on every little negative thing you have ever heard about her.

I will have to look up all the quotes about the Irish peace talks - but I am sure it makes sense if you look at the quotes in context.

She probably just said she participated in them, which is true.

Goodnight ~

Sharon,

Those things you are listing and believing about the Clintons are lies.

The Clintons have never been found of ANY WRONGDOING.

It's really scary that people believe in that crap.

All that in your post about the Clintons are lies and crap.

Especially the murder lies - they are so incredibly false and insane.

People die everyday of different causes, and guess what - the Clintons aren't murdering all of them.

Lauren... I read accounts of people who have personally had dealings with Hillary and I have read lots of them and have accumulated tons of information. They aren't all lies! These come from too many different people, including people I personally know.

Hillary has been claiming that she is vetted". So you can't criticize us for doing our own research and having an opinion of her that doesn't happen to agree with yours.

BTW, did you read the article in the UK Telegraph where a Nobel prize winner involved in the Irish peace process says Hillary's claims of her involvement are "silly" and overstated? Hillary invites this scrutiny by telling the lies.

For all of you that think good things of Hillary, you need to check multiple sites that will inform you all the issues both her and Bill did. A number of murders are related to them, one a female that was taking him to court regarding sexual advances, (not Monica), about 45 people mysteriously died of gunshot wounds that were giving information about them to the courts. A number of Whitehouse employees moving to other countries, standing on the 5th. Having a Co-President is very illegal. Is That what you would want again? They would do whatever to be in the Whitehouse another 8 yrs. breaking alot of laws, lying, doing whatever it takes to get what they want.

If Hillary is really for the poor, why did they steal millions of dollars, feeling they need/want more money. She is a fake/lier/lazy/damaging to our country. She is one that got the businesses moving out of country (NAFTA), costing us millions of jobs and dollars.

I heard a female that has worked with Hillary for 35 yrs. on TV stating how lazy she is, how she told the Democrates to wreck the Whitehouse upon their leaving it, that she poured coffee down files, (what would she want to cover up), phone cords were cut, graffeti painted on a number of walls, a number of rooms had a lot of garbage in it, the letter w was removed from several (100?) computers. Damages cost triple diget,(thousands of dollars) to clean the Whitehouse.
Who/what kind of person would want that back in our Whitehouse? It isn't the media that is giving her the reputation, the Clinton's have earned that all by themselfs.

Pictures of the President and Vice President is normally hung in a number of places in the Whitehouse, not with them, the pictures were of the Clinton's not the vice-President. Clinton lovers need to really accept them for the people they are. Not the lies they have been telling us.

What has Hillary accomplished that gives her the experience to be the best canidate. Just living in the Whitehouse doesn't give her experience. The health care project Bill gave her she couldn't accomplish getting that approved.

Obama is a Born Again Christian. He will be one that will be able to turn this country around, working with the general public to get things changed. He will not be giving money to the richest people and keeping some himself. He is one that is dedicated to help the poor, including the homeless, with no home, medical, money etc. What would Hillary do? He is also going to help the veterans get the medical care, needing not driving hundreds of miles/hours away from home, waiting weeks, months, yrs. for medical care. He has lived in a number of countries, and knows how to communicate with them, he will be the best one to serve our country. I want someone that is caring, giving, intelligent, honest, hard worker, a good speaker, a good communicator, and one that knows how to do planning to accomplish getting things done. Obama is the one that has gotten thousands of people in every state to vote that never voted, gave up voting (I'm one of them) to vote again.
Obama has 20 yrs. experience.

Voters Please Think Hard, do research on the canidates before voting.

Obama lies and presents himself as something he is not. When instead of a speech he could vote, Obama Voted Against the withdrawal of troops and proposed legislation calling for a drawdown Only After he was running for president and polls showed voters favoring it.

Look, you people can believe all the lies you want - but just remember you don't really know the truth until you personally know Hillary yourself - or until you have walked in her shoes, you truly have no right to judge or think you really know.

How would you like other people to come and judge you and your life - without even knowing you - to believe a bunch of lies about you?

If you have a pre-formed strong negative opinion of someone, you will see everything they do as negative. You will see everything through the lens of your strong negative opinion.

If she smiles, she's fake, if she does something good, she's scheming. This is prejudice at work. This is the same psychological dynamic that used to make people think that certain minorities or classes were dumb, or any other number of self-fufilling perceptions. So just keep that in mind. I assure you, she is a good woman. There are many people who truly know her, who really like her. Both in politics - like James Carville who said on GMA the other day that she's one of the people he loves the most in this world, and it hurts him so much when he hears the things people say about her, because they are so false. Or the famous author John Grisham who loves her and thinks she's a wonderful woman, or Steven Spielberg supports her and is her friend. These are people who actually know her and are not her opponents.

So let's keep a grip on reality in mind, and try to be objective, and realize that there are a lot of 'haters' on-line who love to spew hate, lies, and false accusations.

From CBS's "For the Record"

"She went into the Senate not as a show horse but as a work horse," said former Hillary Clinton press secretary Lisa Caputo.

Learning the Senate power structure, landing a coveted spot on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and reaching out to former Republican foes.

She teamed with Bill Frist on modernizing medical record - and with Tom DeLay on foster care. She teamed with Lindsay Graham, who had led the impeachment effort against her husband, on benefits for veterans. She worked with Newt Gingrich on health care policy.

"We were agreeing with each other so much, I think people were thinking: 'the end is near!'" Clinton said about her collaboration with Gingrich.

"The most fascinating thing about Clinton in the Senate was to hear the conservative Republicans that had gone back home and often advanced their own political careers by using Hillary as the great whipping person," said Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, "going around saying privately and for some of them publicly, 'wow what a nice person and what a terrific colleague.'"

Hitchens agrees with the neocons regarding the war on terror. He sees an extreme danger there as do most people willing to face the issue. I actually think most of the congress agrees about the danger which is why the funding bills keep getting passed. I think the congress is using their vocal opposition to the war as a way to get votes. After all, they couldn't agree with Bush and still stay in business, could they? This is why Hillary voted for the war..she knew enough to know we had to confront the devil or it would just keep getting worse. What I can't handle is her backtracking on it now instead of standing up for what she believed in. I actually think that if Hillary had been President she would have taken on Bin Laden instead of waffling the way Bill did. I think of the two, she has more backbone.
Unfortunately there are two sides to that knife.

Where I agree with Obama is he wants to put an end to the hyper-partisanship which is where Hillary lives. I'm so sick of the divisiveness! Pitting one group against another prevents us getting anything done - creates fear and distrust and Hillary does this intentionally - read her hero Saul Alinsky on this. She follows him to a T. She has told people that if they don't go along with her she will destroy them...and has done this. It's called Blood Sport and she thinks it's the "fun part". She likes to capitalize on this for her own benefit - the pain she causes those she targets is of no concern to her.

My other problem with Hillary is her lack of ethics and character. She'll stop at nothing to get her way. And, she is no saint and I don't expect any of our candidates to be but she is especially malicious to those she figures are in her way. Once again I have to say that the way she treated the women her husband molested - well it's just sickening for her to attack the victims to protect her career.

Here is the man, a Democrat, who noted Hillary's character defects a long time ago:

"During my 14-year tenure with the House Judiciary Committee, I had supervisory authority over several hundred staff members. With the exception of Ms. Rodham, Doar and Nussbaum, I recommend all of them for future positions of public and private trust."

Jerry Zeifman is the author of "Without Honor: The Impeachment of President Nixon and the Crimes of Camelot," which describes the above matters in more detail. (See www.iethical.org/book.htm)

I think we're quite fortunate to have an alternative to Hillary. Obama has shown great courage and management skills in taking on Hillary and her machine - which, BTW, turns out to be not so well run. The NYT says today that Hillary was stunned to find out that the campaign was broke, despite getting weekly emails regarding the campaign's financial status. You might want to check out that article and see if the NYT thinks she's qualified to run a nation.

Thanks for looking up Hitchens. Interesting how the war has made strange bedfellows.

Add "spoiler" to the Clintons' record of private, public and financial misdeeds.

A party of change cannot be a party to corruption.

The good thing about taking a bridge to the 21st century is that you do get to the other side--no replays of the awfulness the Clintons and a bunch of brain dead GOPers visited on this country ...

"Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom," sayeth Barack.

Let's get this country moving again.

For all of you that think good things of Hillary, you need to check multiple sites that will inform you all the issues both her and Bill did. A number of murders are related to them, one a female that was taking him to court regarding sexual advances, not Monica, about 45 people mysteriously died of gunshot wounds that were giving information about them to the courts. A number of Whitehouse employees moving to other countries, standing on the 5th. Having a Co-President is very illegal. That is what we would want again, and they would do whatever to be in the Whitehouse another 8 yrs. breaking alot of laws, lying, doing whatever it takes to get what they want.

If Hillary is really for the poor, why did they steal millions of dollars, feeling they need/want more money. She is a fake/lier/lazy/damaging to our country. She is one that got the businesses moving out of country, costing us millions of jobs.

I heard a female that has worked with Hillary for 35 yrs. on TV stating how lazy she is, how she told the Democrates to wreck the Whitehouse upon leaving it, that she poured coffee down files, (what would she want to cover up), phone cords were cut, graffeti painted on a number of walls, a number of rooms had a lot of garbage in it, the letter w was removed from several (100?) computers. Damages cost triple diget,(thousands of dollars) to clean the Whitehouse.
Who/what kind of person would want that back in our Whitehouse? It isn't the media that is giving her the reputation, the Clinton's have earned that all by themselfs.

Pictures of the President and Vice President is normally hung in a number of places in the Whitehouse, not with them, the pictures were of the Clinton's not the vice-President. Clinton lovers need to really accept them for the person they are. Not the lies they have been telling us.

What has Hillary accomplished that gives her the experience to be the best canidate. Just living in the Whitehouse doesn't give her experience. The health care project Bill gave her she couldn't accomplish getting that approved.

Obama is a Born Again Christian. He will be one that will be able to turn this country around, working with the general public to get things changed. He will not be giving money to the richest people and keeping some himself. He is one that is dedicated to help the poor, including the homeless, with no home, medical, money etc. What would Hillary do? He is also going to help the veterans get the medical care, needing not driving hundreds of miles/hours away from home, waiting weeks, months, yrs. for medical care. He has lived in a number of countries, and knows how to communicate with them, he will be the best one to serve our country. I want someone that is caring, giving, intelligent, honest, hard worker, a good speaker, a good communicator, and one that knows how to do planning to accomplish getting things done. Obama is the one that has gotten thousands of people in every state to vote that never voted, gave up voting (I'm one of them) to vote again.

Voters Please Think Hard, do research on the canidates before voting.

SuzieQ -

I just read Hitchen's Wiki entry, and like I said he is first and foremost a critic - he just kind of blows around with whatever choice winds of change, criticizing everything at his convenience. During the interview I remember most, he was in his "neo-conservative" period. I will include some quotes, but you can read it for yourself.

"Hitchens is noted for his acerbic wit as a polemicist and intellectual. While he was once identified with the Anglo-American radical political left, he has latterly embraced some right-wing causes, notably the war in Iraq."

Hitchens described himself as "on the same side as the neo-conservatives."

I would also mention for the record, that while some polls may seem to show a
higher percentage of college grads going for Obama, there are still very high percentages of college grads going for Hillary. And myself and most of my friends with Master's degrees and higher, support Hillary.

So that's just another campaign oversimplification and exaggeration.

Most of the posts I see from Hillary supporters are well thought out, and backed-up, while most of the posts I see from Obama supporters are just full of the most hideous insults and lies.

I am not impressed by most Obama supporters in the least; indeed many seem to just recite his talking points and not be able to think for themselves, or have very accurate memories of history or reality.

They are just full of negativity, and falsehoods.

The Democrats are finding out what
Republicans have known for years!
The Clintons are Pond Scum!

Lauren, It's hard to prove wrongdoing by anyone when all the witnesses are ***silenced.***
"Just a quick refresher course, lest we forget what has happened to some 'friends' and 'employees' of the Clintons.
1 - James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just before she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the Whitehouse.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House counselor and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. (With a gun that wouldn't fire by his side)
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992
6 - Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
7 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
8 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a 'Black Book' of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
9 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot; wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
10 - THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
1 - Major William S. Barkley Jr.
2 - Captain Scott J. Reynolds
3 - Sgt. Brian Hanley
4 - Sgt. Tim Sabel
5 - Major General William Robertson
6 - Col. William Densberger
7 - Col. Robert Kelly
8 - Spec. Gary Rhodes
9 - Steve Willis
10 - Robert Williams
11 - Conway LeBleu
12 - Todd McKeehan
And that is just a partial list.

Democrats should be wise and vote for Obama. Clinton will bring a lot of drama and fights with the republicans and everyone else that she will accomplish nothing for us. Remember her 1993 health care was used by republicans to take both houses of congress the very next year, 1994. Democrats are yet to recover from that loss. Please think, democrats, think.

Hope is a powerful thing... but will it trump realism? The DNC Convention will thrash that out. I don't envy you guys! But I do appreciate your sincere efforts in providing us with entertainment... and for giving us hope for an easier election.

Knowing now that she won't be the nominee for the democratic party, Hillary wants to hurt Obama and the democratic paty this year so that Obama would lose in November against McCain. This would set her up to run again in 2012 against McCain. With Obama as president, she can't run against her own party's sitting president and she would be too old to run in 2016.

Deb, You resent that the majority of more educated people are voting for Barack Obama, or the Exit Polls which prove that, that is the case???

As to the theory that Hillary is going to help the lower classes, I think you should take a good look at what each Candidate did immediately after College.

Hillary went to work at the Rose Law Firm, making very good money. Which, incidentally, took her into infamy over Whitewater. (She didn't think that she was making enough money)

Barack Obama was offered a very well paying position, but he turned it down to be a very low paid Community Organizer on the Streets of Chicago, working for the poorest of poor. His next position was as a Public Defender.

Sometimes it pays to check into the background of someone before you take what they say at face value.

"If one candidate is trying to scare you, and the other one is trying to make you think, if one candidate's appealing to your fears, and the other one's appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope." Bill Clinton said this in 2004 to support Kerry since GWB kept bringing in the War on Terror and Osama. It does not apply in this case because, Hillary is asking a very important question. We all need to ask that important question -- "who do you want as commander-in-chief?" If you believe it is Obama, that is your choice but it still is an important question and has no relevance to Bill Clinton's 2004 comment. I believe that Obama is just trying to sell hope and is not addressing the important policy questions. Hope with plain change in mind is trouble. Hope with vision in mind is the real hope we can have. Hillary offers that. Taking comments out of context and making an argument out of that displays a certain amount of shallow thinking.

Lauren, Bill did have high approval ratings at the end of his term (in the 60s', up from his all-time low of 34%). But his personal ratings were not so good:

"Yet this is also a president [Clinton] with truly dismal personal ratings: Sixty-seven percent of Americans say he's not honest and trustworthy. Seventy-seven percent say he lacks high moral and ethical standards. And just 44 percent view him favorably "as a person." (ABC News).

The Clintons insist on projecting themselves as a team. Bill has referred to "we" in reference to a potential presidency several times in MS. So right or wrong, that mistrust is also projected onto Hillary.

I don't want a another co-presidency, and the more I learn about the decision-making process in the Clinton years (the decision for airstrikes in Bosnia, for example), the more disturbing I find this possibility. We have a constitution - and co-presidency is not mentioned. We're supposed to elect the leaders who answer that phone call at 3 am.

“Mississippi follows Wyoming as the next state to weigh in on the Democratic presidential race Tuesday. There's two good pieces of news for Sen. Obama: Republicans and independents can vote in the primary and there's a large African American population.” From ABC Sunday Political Outlook.
Is it the Democratic way? Is that what John Kerry means Democratic? Early, he said that he doesn’t think a vote by mail is Democratic. No wonder he lost to Bush in 2004.

Hitchens a conservative?????!!!!!! You think Hillary would have allowed him in the front door for personal dinners if he were a conservative? Hillary doesn't think that conservatives are decent people and doesn't want them in her house. Hitchens is a well known LEFTIST and wrote a book called No One Left to Lie To about the Clintons. Same thing David Geffin said about them, actually - that they're liars.

The Democrats I know turned against Hillary because of specific things she did - one of which was against Gore who is a personal friend of theirs.

You think Hillary is in politics because she is unselfish? Is that why she and Bill are now multi-millionaires who won't release their tax returns because they might show how unselfish they are?
Did she care about the White House travel office employees when she fired them so she could give the "slots" to her friends from Hollywood and then put the employees through legal hell from which they were eventually vindicated? The list of things like this is absolutely endless. Hillary once chewed Bill out for hanging out with people who aren't rich and successful. One thing you can say for her - she knows which way is up.

I could more understand if you said...OK, she's capable of being a snake but I'm voting for her anyway because at least I know what I"m getting. To me that would make more sense than a portrayal of Saint Hillary.

It's not just time on the job, she is experienced and extremely knowledgable.

The difference between her and McCain's qualifications will be really evident in the debates.

She knows much more about the wide variety of issues than he does.

She knows much, much more about the economy.

Republicans wasted millions of tax dollars and time, trying to impeach Bill over what should have always been only a personal marital affair.

No other country in the world has ever put their leader on trial because of a personal marital affair, because they know it's a ridiculous unimportant waste of time.

They all thought we were out of our minds.

JFK had more affairs while he was in office, but fortunately for him and his family, it was before the time of scandalizing personal marital affairs.

I want to see the tax forms. Should be interesting. This week's issue states that Obama's charges got a boost last week when the Archives confirmed (in response to a USA TodayFreedom of Information request) that it withheld 1,114 pages of White House documents on President Bill Clinton's controversial pardons of Marc Rich and others—including two felons who hired Hillary's brother Tony Rodham to get their pardon requests approved.

Those who live in glass houses...

Suzie Q:

You are just biased.

Although it is not what is truly important, there are a lot of people who are jealous of their political success. People in the party have said so.

Everyone makes mistakes. I am sure you have. How would you like to be defined *only* by your mistakes?

Mistakes are how people learn.

Barack got favors from Rezko when he knew Rezko was under investigation for fraud, extortion, money laundering, and more.

Is that all we should focus on? The Republicans will make it one thing.

Christopher Hitchens makes his living by being a critic. He is critical of everyone and everything. He is critical of himself.

And he's an extreme conservative.

Hillary gets her greatest satisfaction out of helping people.

That is why she works so hard.

She would never have stayed involved in politics if she were selfish - she would never have gone through all this additional hassle. She could have gotten a cushy job at anytime. Helping people is her passion.

Well, if time in the job is what counts for qualifications than John McCain wins hands down.

I personally think character counts - a lot. Also someone with a reasoned, calm attitude, not someone who thinks they know better than anyone else and is known for throwing lamps and ashtrays when things aren't going her way.

Obama overcame difficulty at an early age - I don't care what anyone says, being mixed race, dealing with the cross cultural issues to find out who he is, succeeding at Harvard.....this is no small matter. Plus, he has taken on one of the most deadly political machines ever assembled - one so arrogant that it had no plans past Super Tuesday. That alone should be enough to show how qualified he is at being in charge.

I keep asking, and none of the Barack supporters have answered, what exactly do you think she is doing or has done?

She is married to Bill Clinton and her husband was impeached.

Good observations Peter,

My question is this:

I keep asking, and none of the Barack supporters have answered, what exactly do you think she is doing or has done?

Even the 3am ad was just to get people to think about who is more qualified.

Barack called it fear mongering, and then immediately put out his own exact version.

If people saw both candidates versions, and chose Hillary, that just means that the more people really think about who is most qualified, the more they realize it is Hillary.

This is very important when we are selecting our President.

People didn't do enough thinking when Bush was elected twice.

Barack is much more intelligent than Bush, and has a promising future, but 3 years in the Senate is not enough national experience for what we optimally need in electing a president at this time.

Not found any wrong doing? Do you remember a little episode called impeachment? Beleive me. I voted and stood up for the man for 8 years. No way I do it for another 4.

Lauren,
These "influential Democrats" are not jealous of Hillary...believe me. They have fantastic lives of their own and don't have to mooch off the public to get where they're going or to feed their egos.

And you think Christopher Hitchens is jealous or afraid of Hillary because she's a strong woman? If he was afraid he'd have kept his mouth shut. He said Hillary's only motivating factor is the worship of money and power. He used to be a personal guest of theirs at the White House until he figured out who they really are.

Hillary was such an excellent planner and negotiator that she completely failed at overhauling health care when given this plum by her husband.

Hillary has such great credentials that after her assignment as one of the Watergate attorneys she was one of 3, out of literally hundreds, specified as not for rehire by her supervisor because of lying and other ethics problems. This is all searchable on the net since her supervisor, a Democrat, wrote a book that discussed this.

Hillary has such expertise gained by being First Lady that as Senator - in probably her most important vote - voted for the Iraq war and now says that's the one thing she'd like to take back.

You say we need Hillary..maybe you do. What I want from her is to stay outta my life.

Well John, most of that has been put up there by their opponents - they have never been found of any wrongdoing.

It just means that you are buying all the negative spin and hype. Bill had huge approval ratings at the end of his administration.

The Republicans will not change, they will drag Barack throught the mud as much as they can too, and then you will feel sick of him, and all those issues.

The Clintons don't at all deserve to be treated that way.

And it is a shallow reason to not choose our most qualified leader, do what is in the best interest of our country.

She is truly the one who would help our country the most at this time.

From CBS's "For the Record"

The most fascinating thing about Clinton in the Senate was to hear the conservative Republicans that had gone back home and often advanced their own political careers by using Hillary as the great whipping person," said Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, "going around saying privately and for some of them publicly, 'wow what a nice person and what a terrific colleague.'"

Most of the "influential democrats who are for Obama" are just jealous of the Clintons and all their success in the party.

I heard Tom Daschle essentially admitted that he thinks this is true about some in the party, on Charlie Rose.

Well the Clintons accomplished so much because they are so intelligent, knowledgeable, and dedicated, and we need their expertise.

Many of these people are using the inexperienced Barack as their puppet, having him say all the perfect things, when he hasn't proven any of them.

The Clintons are strong and competent.

We need them.

Sexism plays a big role, and some try to belittle Hillary. Imagine if she were a man with all her experience. They would never treat her the same way.

Many men, who wrote those books, are scared by a strong, intelligent, competent woman, and try to demonize her.

What do you think the Salem witch trials were about?

Everyone in politics makes mistakes at times, everyone has to change positions at times.

Barack has already made a lot of mistakes, and changed positions.

But we can't afford to have another inexperienced President right now.

I do want to have to wait, as he goes through the experience of his learning curve.

He wouldn't be able beat McCain anyway, after the Republicans are through with him.

The country is now even more concerned about the economy than the War in Iraq.

And Hillary has the best plans and politcies, the most knowledge, and expertise. She has worked across the aisle, the people who really know her and don't have some personal issues, like her a lot. She would be an excellent negotiator.

Look at her with open eyes in the debates.

She is excellent.

I get up every morning wondering what the heck is she going to do next? One day she praises, the next she says shame on you, the next is a joint ticket, the next she says Joh McCain deserves to be president. Don't think I want that person answering the phone.
Her tactics remind of George W.

Here's the Hillary Clinton argument: we are vicious, ruthless fighters who are the only ones who can win against the vicious, ruthless Republicans. And, by the way, Obama is lying for saying we're vicious and ruthless.

If you support Hillary Clinton, why not tell the truth? You support a politician who has no limit on how much she'll bend the truth to win, no low to which she will not stoop. If you like that, vote for her (if you haven't already). If you don't, vote for Obama.

From the beginning of his campaign, Barack has been dismissive of Hillary and all her experience, and dismissive of Bill's administration which was provenly the most successful and accomplished Democratic administration we have ever had.

This is an outrage and disgrace to the party. These are two of our most intelligent, competent, qualified leaders who are centrist, and have worked across the aisle, who truly delivered hope and change, to our country in our party.

They have truly done all the things Barack is talking about. Bill had huge approval ratings.

The reason why our country is in the shape it's in now, is all because of BUSH.

But Barack has been dismissive of the Clintons, smearing them, and it is all just a strategy to win.

He knew how popular Hillary and Bill were with the party, so he has engaged in a very subtle, crafted, "politics of personal destruction," and that is what has been so unfair.

It is completely duplicitous and hypocritical.

Lauren,
The problem with Hillary is not that she isn't steeped in politics...since college she's been nothing but politics.
The problem is her character -her willingness to say or do anything to get her way. There is no one she won't mow down, no lie she won't tell, no law she won't bend or figure out how to break to get where she thinks she should be. You should read Hitchens or Morris on this, both of whom know her extremely well and think the prospect of her as the most powerful person in the world is horrifying. I personally know some very influential Democrats who are for Obama because of things Hillary has done and these are people who were given great favor by Bill.
It's about more than being a policy wonk, you have to have the character to do the right thing for everyone, not just yourself. For me, Hillary setting out to destroy the women her husband accosted was enough for me. That is just sick.

Barack Obama does not own hope, change, or unity - that is what the Democratic Party has always been about

But Barack has gone negative from the start. He has been the one saying negative things. He has 'just been saying whatever it takes to win.' And making a lot of Democrats who know the truth extremely upset.

He is the one being the ultimate hypocrite, dividing the party.

Hillary Clinton is a very good woman. she started organizing the help the children of migrant families when she was a teenager. She has only brought up legitimate important issues to consider about qualifications when electing a president, the rest is negative media spin.

More than half of the popular vote has been for Hillary.

We in the Democratic party deserve to have our most qualified candidate, and we will continue to demand what is truly right.

We need our most qualified leaders at this time.

We need the Clinton's expertise.

They live and breathe policy. There is no one more knowledgeable, no one with more experience of what works and what doesn't work.

Hillary is our most qualified candidate - it was obvious at all the debates.

Obama has a bright future, and he will be a part of the party and perhaps the Presidency.

But there are many of us in the Democratic party who demand the right to
have our most qualified candidate win.

She has the best plans and policies. She is centrist. She works across the aisle. She has actually done all the things Obama talks about.

Bill's administration was the most socio-economically accomplished and successful Democratic administration we have ever had.

They have not at all been as negative as the media has spun them. The media is sensationalizing everything.

Barack could never beat McCain. The Republicans will portray him as an "inexperienced anti-war liberal." He will be the unknown candidate, with virtually no proof of what he says, and wing voters will vote for the security of McCain and not the scary unknown candidate. Not McCain, but the Republican 527s will bring Barack and his numbers way down.

If Barack is the nominee, we will lose, you will see this all play out.

You have to understand the reality of swing voters who do not think like you,
and will not want to have such an unknown candidate in the White House.

Everyone knows the Clintons know how to bring prosperity to this country. Bill Clinton had huge approval ratings, we were loved around the world. There will be no more "scandals," in the other "scandals" they were never found of wrongdoing, and they've been especially careful because they know people will try to pull things like this when she's running.

Most people care about what is most important, and the person who is truly prepared and knowledgeable, with the best plans and policy, who would help our country most efficiently and effectively, and that is Hillary Clinton.

"If one candidate is trying to scare you, and the other one is trying to make you think, if one candidate's appealing to your fears, and the other one's appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope." ( Bill Clinton.)

If you have noticed, blacks who support Obama supporters are threatening and blackmailing (by saying they won't get re-elected) if black superdelegates to change their vote to Obama (John Lewis a perfect example). Where's the moral outrage? We wouldn't accept whites doing the same. Where is Obama with his moral superiority decrying these actions? Just goes to show you, he's a politician just like the rest- except he only has words because it takses action to decry objectable actions by your supporters.

To paraphrase Harry Truman:

When given the choice between a fake Fear-mongering, millitaristic, Repuboican corporate tool and a real Fear-mongering, millitaristic, Repuboican corporate tool, voters will pick the real thing. We need to run as real Democrats, not pseudo Republicans.

Hillary, you blew it.

Demo Rules,

We're already in WWIII...you just haven't figured it out yet. Our enemy has declared this over and over and have followed up with incinerating over 3,000 of our citizens, hacking of heads, suing people who dare speak out against them. They've written about their strategy...they have a timetable for the takeover of Europe and the US. They want us all praying 5 times a day to Allah. Maybe they'll succeed, maybe they won't...but pretending it isn't happening won't make it go away.

Glad to hear it James. I know of people who feel the same if Obama wins.

Let's just hope that people rise up in the Democratic Party and tell the world WE DO NOT want OBAMA as our President or Vice President! He has no chance of winning in November and will only bring down the Democratic Party. The only positive that could come out of him being nominated is that his political career will be destroyed forever when he loses!! Just like his followers--Gary Hart, John Kerry, Jessie Jackson, etc.

clinton is boring. !!!

Quote that Hillary is running around saying: "I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House," she told reporters. "Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he'd bring to the White House. And Sen. [Barack] Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

It seems to me like she is perhaps running to become John McCain's running mate...? How could you talk up the other party's candidate in order to make yourself sound slightly better. I think she is trying to destroy Barack's chances in November so that she can run in 2012. In my humble opinion, she is a monster. I don't think they should have let the adviser go who said it, its true. It is clear she is willing to lie, cheat, and try to destroy a good honest man to get to the White House.

Don't let America fall for her. She won't end the war in Iraq. Her position on the war is the same as John McCain's. She just doesn't want to admit it.... wait the quote at the top kinda does...

And thank you for finally bringing up the scandals of the Clinton years. Hillary can not tout her "experience" as part of the administration of an impeached, disbarred president without addressing what that experience entailed - Whitewater, cattle futures, presidential pardons of fugitives and donors, etc. Certainly, these parts