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Hillary Wants to Flip Pledged Delegates?

March 25, 2008 10:25 AM

In Monday's ed board meeting with the Philadelphia Daily News, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., was asked about the basic math obstructing her path to the nomination.

Specifically, she was asked her plans if, come June, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., remains in the lead with pledged delegates, how she would try to convince superdelegates to give her the nomination if Obama does end up the choice of primary voters and caucus goers?

"I just don't think this is over yet," she said, "and I don't think that it is smart for us to take a position that might disadvantage us in November. And also remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged. You know, there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody. They're just like superdelegates."

Say what?

This notion that the Clinton campaign will try to flip pledged delegates has been floated and knocked down before, but I'm failing to arrive at any other interpretation for what she means here other than: we will convince pledged delegates to vote for us, as is perfectly within Democratic party rules, despite the voters who elected them to support Obama.

The Clinton campaign was just asked about this in a conference call.

Clinton senior adviser Harold Ickes said, "No delegate is required by party rule to vote for the candidate for which they're pledged. Obviously circumstances can change and people's minds can change about the viability of a candidate."

Clinton campaign deputy communications director Phil Singer then added: "We are not seeking or asking pledged delegates for Sen. Obama to flip over . . . We are not engaged in any efforts (to flip Obama delegates)."

Is the Clinton campaign's continual reminder to voters (and delegates) that they're allowed to flip not an effort?

It all seems to feed into some negative memes for Sen. Clinton out there -- fairly or unfairly -- of ruthlessness, at the very least.

- jpt

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I heard that a delegate in Texas, pledged to Obama, received a robocall from the Hillary Clinton campaign informing them that they were under no obligation to vote for Obama, and encouraging them to vote for Clinton instead. If this isn't campaigning for pledged delegates to switch, what is? Please investigate this so we can know the truth.

Posted by: SL | Mar 26, 2008 12:16:11 PM

As for Richardson giving his approval to Obama, has anyone considered that he was up to the highest bidder? He had already been in the Clinton cabinet once and is obviously seeking the VEEP spot and when the Clintons wouldnt offer it to him, where else did he have to go. Don't be surprised folks if he is your next VEEP...for Obama would then have most of the minorities to help him win against McCain, which might be the only way he can get elected.

Posted by: lee | Mar 26, 2008 9:18:32 AM

DELEGATES SHOULD BE FLIPPED!!!
If the GOP is not to take the White House again then the DNP must select a different candidate!

Obama & Clinton have become HIGH RISK candidates for the nomination for pres. of the DNP!

Aren't there worthy Democrats (or party crossover)that the delegates--that do NOT have to vote for--select a viable candidate for president? Of course there are many!

The DNP is clearly unable to control this nomination process--as they expected to--SO IT IS TIME FOR ALL GOOD DEMOCRATS TO STAND UP FOR PARTY VALUES AND GET AMERICA BACK ON THE PEOPLE'S PATH!!!

CONTACT YOUR sTATE'S ELECTORATE & TELL THEM TO LOOK ANEW FOR A DEM. OFR PRESIDENT!

Respectfully,
Billy Bob, Florida, where votes don't count unlike Chi-town where even the dead votes are counted.

Posted by: Billy Bob | Mar 26, 2008 9:13:06 AM

There is a lot of Buyer's Remorse by Obama voters. Thanks goodness they can change their mind at the convention. Hooray for those who can stop the DNC from leading us over the cliff. The DNC has a history of choosing UNELECTABLE candidates. Obama can NEVER win in the GE and I sure hope the pledged delegates are waking up to this fact.

Posted by: KathleenVT | Mar 26, 2008 5:36:41 AM

I'm seeing more and more people are getting the same feeling about Clinton: ick! What the Clinton supporters need to ask themselves is why a lot of people who don't care one way or the other have been so turned off by her campaign? Most of us never really knew she had this type of disgusting
"gutter" fighting instinct. Now that we've seen it we are appalled. I am very pleased to see people in the media and cooler heads in the party establishment try to warn her off her attack dog tactics. What amazes me is she actually thinks she stands a chance in November. Beleive me, she has so alienated and yes, literally frightened me, with her unbalanced behavior that I not only will not vote for her, I'll volunteer for McCain to keep her out of the White House. I've never done that before. I'm no crazy Obama person. At this stage I'll settle for someone with the least sleaze, and it sure isn't Hillary. I am very, very offended at her behavior as it impacts the entire nation. And goodness, one would never guess from the tone of the Hillary supporters that there's anything the least bit wrong with the way she does politics. People want her to leave, not because they want the race over, but because she is conducting a campaign that is severely damaging the Democratic Party. We want her to drop out if she cannot conduct a constructive campaign. She has miserably failed at that. I think voting is great. Let's just tell Obama and Clinton to go home and rest for the next 2 months, if they can't behave themselves. I'd love to vote, because I'm in Oregon, but I don't want her to carry her dirty campaign to Oregon, wrecking the party's chances in November.
She got herself in a bind by going to sleep at the wheel in February while Obama built his momentum. That she thinks she is entitled now to claw her way back into the race has taught me a lot about her. She is simply unwilling to accept the consequences of her own mistakes. If this is how she runs a campaign, in perpetual crisis mode, what will she do to our country? Her campaign is an instance of the most grievous failures in judgment. If Obama's not good enough, then sad to say, she isn't either. There are a lot of things worse than McCain. If she gets the nomination she will set back the cause of women by 50 yeears. I'm embarrassed by her, and I'm a woman only 5 years younger than her. It's sad to think that what she has experienced in life did this to her. I'm beginning to think that living as a wife in one's husband's administration is a crazymaking situation when one has talents of one's own. But, it seems to me, her experience, far from helping her, has led her into this netherworld of "extreme" politics. Hillary, you are blowing it, right now, and if you don't see this, then that's proof you should not be in the Oval Office, anywhere near the red phone. I just don't think this can possibly end in her being the nominee. Why should anyone decide she should get the nomination instead of Obama? If she succeeds in wooing superdelegates with the idea that she is the most electable of the two, and that the voices of the voters do not count, well Great! That means we can give the nomination to Gore, or Edwards, or Jimmy Carter, or anyone but her. If she thinks working through the primary season should win her any brownie points, why would it work that way for her but not for Obama? If you are going to go for technicalities as she has you should be willing to admit it doesn't just apply to the other guy. She has bloodied herself so much she is unelectable . This isn't a case of choosing the lesser of two failures, between Obama and herself. The Democratic Party is going to have to be nimble like Bernanke to contain the damage Clinton has inflicted. They are going to have to do the unimaginable and turn to someone else. Of course, Obama has to be no. 2, and Hillary can get Secretary of State. Gore/Obama: I think it's fabulous that the superdelegates and pledged delegates have so much leeway, because it means that a person who doesn't feel like slashing and burning their way to the nomination can still be the nominee, and a winning one at that. The process is brutal, which means that a person has to be almost crazed with blind ambition the way presidential campaigns are run these days. Much better to have a dignified and calm nominee, a statesman.

Posted by: Tina | Mar 26, 2008 4:30:10 AM

If the delegates for Florida and Michigan are counted there should be another vote. I beleive Obama was not on the ballot in one of the states. That wouldnt be fair.

Posted by: Ann429 | Mar 26, 2008 1:00:40 AM

I can’ t understand how Hillary Clinton can accuse Sen. Obama of not wanting the voters of Michigan and Florida to be able to vote for the candidate of their choice and she states how they are being “disenfranchised” then say to all those voters who have voted in their Primaries/Caucuses that their vote can be overturned by the simple act of the Clinton Campaign saying “ your vote doesn’t count because you didn’t vote for Hillary, so we are going to ignore your votes and cause the delegates to switch to Hillary because she knows best!
This level of conceit and disregard for the rules is the reason we need to get George W. Bush out of the White House, why on earth would we want to replace him with the same thing, only this time in a pantsuit ?

Posted by: KR | Mar 25, 2008 10:59:35 PM

I can’ t understand how Hillary Clinton can accuse Sen. Obama of not wanting the voters of Michigan and Florida to be able to vote for the candidate of their choice and she states how they are being “disenfranchised” then say to all those voters who have voted in their Primaries/Caucuses that their vote can be overturned by the simple act of the Clinton Campaign saying “ your vote doesn’t count because you didn’t vote for Hillary, so we are going to ignore your votes and cause the delegates to switch to Hillary because she knows best!
This level of conceit and disregard for the rules is the reason we need to get George W. Bush out of the White House, why on earth would we want to replace him with the same thing, only this time in a pantsuit ?

Posted by: KR | Mar 25, 2008 10:57:21 PM

Poll: Obama way ahead in N.C.
21-point lead the largest so far
(Raleigh) News & Observer

Hillary Clinton in N.C. on Thursday
Barack Obama is way up in the latest Democratic tracking poll.

A survey by Public Policy Polling showed the presidential candidate with 55 percent to rival Hillary Clinton's 34 percent in North Carolina.

The results came after two high-profile speeches by Obama: One on Iraq in Fayetteville, and another in response to video of his minister, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, condemning America.

"This 21 point lead is the largest he has shown in any NC polling to date, and an indication that the Wright controversy isn't causing him any long term harm at least in this state," wrote pollster Tom Jensen on his blog.

The automated poll of 673 likely Democratic primary voters was conducted on March 24. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.8 percent. The Democratic polling firm is based in Raleigh.

In the March 17 poll, Obama led 44 to 43.


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Posted by: chyke1 | Mar 25, 2008 8:33:04 PM

I don't think Hillary will be the one to damage Obama. She may have to point things out given the media bias, etc. Obama was never on the national scene before and now that he is finally getting vetted, things will keep coming out. I don't think he can win the WH this year with what has already come out. I think most people who aren't blinded by the Obama light know that as well.

Posted by: sarnorton | Mar 25, 2008 8:31:31 PM

Gov. Richardson, Sen. Kennedy, Congressman Lewis, and Sen. Kerry all gave their Super Delegate to the Senator from Illinois although in the past they said that the Super Delegates should vote for the winner of their states. Although Sen. Hillary Clinton won their states, they gave their votes to her competitor. This reflects how they did not mean what they said.

Super Delegates can vote for anyone they want and not the winners of the state contests.

Posted by: Dr. Rene, USAF Retired, Recently | Mar 25, 2008 7:22:07 PM

Desperate times call for desperate measures.
The fat lady is warming up

Posted by: Thinking | Mar 25, 2008 6:34:50 PM

Samantha Power's "she's a monster" still is most accurate characterization with have of this woman, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Posted by: Harko | Mar 25, 2008 4:44:41 PM


If we had Florida and Michigan re voting or having their delegates seated- we would have a clear winner- needing only a few superdelegates to put them over- by July. But the Obama campaign is blocking this.

Shame on the Media for not giving full and repeat coverage of what is going on behind the scenes with the Florida and Michigan re vote.
It is the voters who are being disenfranchised by the state legislatures (in Florida dominated by Republicans) and Howard Dean and the DNC. This is their fight over schedule and it is the voters who are paying the price.
If there is no re vote for Florida and Michigan- then John McCain will probably win the election because there will be a very negative cloud over the Democratic Nominee...

Posted by: Evelyn | Mar 25, 2008 4:21:23 PM

"Hillary is a serial liar who has zero chance of winning the nomination."

I disagree, she is a serial liar who DOES have a chance of winning, that is the big problem. The only way we can be sure she doesn't steal this nomination is to make the delegates and superdelegates aware of how short their political careers will be should they not vote according to the will of the people.

If she wins the nomination as a result of blowing out Obama in the final rounds of primaries, that would be a different story, but even SHE doesn't believe that will happen.

Posted by: Nick in Virginia | Mar 25, 2008 4:12:07 PM

HRC will not win a general election against McCain. It's as simple as that. When die-hard middle-aged, white, male, Democrats, like me, recoil in disgust from her and her selfish campaign she can kiss it goodbye. I have voted for Democrats in every election since 1976; if she is the nominee, I will sit home or write in Obama.

Let's get real here; Hillary cares only about herself and her ambitions. She cares not one bit for the Party from who she seeks the nomination. If she did, she would quit this media fanned charade of hers. But no, she will tear the Democratic Party apart to fulfill her ambition without regard to the damage she is doing. If you want the GOP to consolidate and win the election, nominate Hillary. She's the only thing that makes a McCain victory possible.

"It's all about me". Hillary Clinton

Posted by: kc | Mar 25, 2008 3:46:49 PM

Latinos are voting in historic Masses and they seem to with La Clinton,I think she has more appeal these days..

Posted by: Marta | Mar 25, 2008 3:42:23 PM

Wowzer, It's sad how clueless and ignorant most Americans are. Clearly, they need to go back to high school and take a Civics 101 class and learn about how our presidents are elected. It's not a matter of popular vote, it's a matter of the "electoral college," who determines who our president will be. Despite long standing calls to do away with the electoral college, it will not happen. Both parties are too invested in the process to allow it to end, it's the reason why they model the primary election with a similar process which uses "super delegates." The current system we use works. People may not like it when their candidate is not elected, but our system works better than any other.


Steve, are you prepared to say that our system indeed works better than any other? The system works, yes, but could it be improved?

One specific feature of the electoral college system is how it keeps small, fringe groups from gaining a significant voice in American politics. This is a double-edged blade, however, as most policies are. While it keeps small, radical factions from building up their power, such as Neo-Nazi groups, it also seeks to preserve the status-quo, by not allowing groups to introduce change until a majority supports the cause.

As for whether or not the system is the best, that I would love to debate with you. However, I do not believe that to be possible at this moment.

May we meet again.

Posted by: Fred | Mar 25, 2008 3:41:52 PM

OBAMA has waaaay 2 many shady issues to win the presidency..if elected MCCain will CRUSH HIM....

Posted by: Angel | Mar 25, 2008 3:40:56 PM

Bonnie,
You seem angry that people are insinuating that Obama is a racist.
You then tell us to "shut the hell up and admit that we are racists" if we wonder about Obama or his pastor........
Most of us learned long ago that, whether rightly or wrongly, we are often judged by the company we keep. That goes double for politicians and preachers!
It's true that Jesus walked with sinners, but most of us are mere mortals and we have a lot to learn. We need discussion, not accusation.

Posted by: akph | Mar 25, 2008 3:39:11 PM

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