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Hillary's Superdelegate Explanation
March 14, 2008 4:21 PM
The Democratic party's rules clearly allow for a candidate to win more pledged, or elected, delegates and then lose the nomination because the roughly 800 or so party activists and elected officials cast their votes the other way.
That, in fact, is where this race is headed. It is mathematically improbable that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, will surpass Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, in pledged delegates -- even if she were to win the next 10 contests, plus add on new Michigan and Florida contests.
The proportional allocation of pledged delegates makes it very tough.
The problem for Clinton is that it will be tough to explain to voters -- especially Obama voters -- why her support among superdelegates (hypothetically) should thwart what the majority of pledged delegates desires.
I asked her about that today in the Little Italy section of Pittsburgh. See if you think her explanation is a good sell to voters:
Tapper: Senator Clinton you had a dinner Wednesday night in which there were several uncommitted superdelegates, members of Congress. I was wondering if A, you could tell us a little bit about that dinner and B, How do you explain to Democratic voters -- not to the likes of us -- but how do you explain to Democratic voters the idea of Senator Obama winning potentially more pledged delegates and you trying to win the presidency with more Superdelegates?
Clinton: Well, you know, there are there are three different kinds of delegates. You know delegates who come out of caucuses, delegates who come out of primaries and delegates who are appointed either because of the position they hold with the Democratic party or because of their elected position. That is the process that the Democratic Party has followed for 30 plus years and I think its important to work hard to make your case to all the different constituencies within the Democratic party and each of them have a role to play in the nominating process and that's what part of what we are doing to win the nomination.
Tapper: But do you think you can explain that to voters?
Clinton: I think that, you know, we are we are following what it was determined to be an appropriate process for picking a nominee. You know, caucuses are small not particularly representative. Primaries have many more people involved. Superdelegates, so called, are in the process because many of them are long time elected officials long time party activists who can exercise independent judgment about who is best able to both present the Democratic party case and win the White House and that is the way the party has set it up and that’s what were following.
What do you think? Did she sell it to you?
- jpt
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I live in Wisconsin. I voted for Barack Obama during the primary system. Since the Rev, Jeremiah Wright issue came to surface, I cannot understand how the DNC could now support Barack Obama as a presidential candidate for it’s party!
No matter what kind of spin is done to this issue, Rev. Wright was spewing anti -American rhetoric. Obama conveniently did not address that issue during his well delivered speech on Tuesday.
I “reject and denounce” my primary vote for Barack Obama! If Clinton does not get the nomination, I and my family, good number of our friends, will be voting for John McCain in the general election. Barack Obama is well suited to be a great civil rights leader, but not the President of The United States.
I have stopped all funding to the DNC. If the Democratic Party wants to win in November, the super delegates better wise up fast, support Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama has disqualified himself by twenty years of supporting a radical, racist, divisive anti-American church. No speech is going to replace his actions.
If Barack Obama had respect for the Democratic Party, he would immediately withdraw from the race.
Posted by: Mike in Wisconsin | Mar 20, 2008 11:34:54 PM
Again that is her way of bullying people. As for the previous comments of Barak Obama's pastor. That have nothing to do with what Obama stands for. The people who agrees with Hillary and the comments they made just show you that we still live in a very racist society. White people can't begin to understand the oppression that black people face even at the present moment. How would you feel if you were told that you can't drink from a water fountain? how would you feel if your family or loved ones were taken away from you? How would you feel if you work hard and for years and at the end of the day told taht you weren't qualified enough to be promoted and a white person with no college background was place ahead of you? how would you feel if you or your family was used for medical experiment? what Jerimiah Wright said is factual. I see and live it every single day. Walk a mile in my shoes. Don't be afraid understand where we coming from, acknowledge the racism and oppression that blacks was subjected and still having to endure so that we could start a dialogue.
How is it that the Jews are allowed to not forget the Holocaust and blacks cannot speak about the expression. It's time to acknowlege your deeds and atone.
Posted by: HAMMEJ | Mar 17, 2008 9:52:40 AM
Now Hillary wants the AP to start calling them 'automatic' rather than 'super.' And for some reason, they are following her instructions. Which suggests bias, since it's not the DNC making this change.
Posted by: kravitz | Mar 16, 2008 2:00:57 PM
After Fridays exposure to Obama's spirtial advisor, mentor,inspiration for his book , and minister why would any delegate support Obama? And the caucus in Texas was a fraud. Obama people were running over Clinton"s elderly voters, giving them incorrect information and even locking the doors on them. The media knew of this but only Fox reported on it.Caucus' are the most unjust way to hold an election and when the elderly are pushed around, which seems to have happened at alot of the caucus', the voice of the people are not truly heard.What is Obama winning ? All caucus', strange, huh? Super Delegates can vote for anyone they please to vote for and after Obama has finally been exposed to so many "boneheaded" relationships, Wright, Ayers, and Rezko, who represent anything other than what America stands for, if they did support Obama alot of true Americans would be very upset.
Posted by: Democrat | Mar 16, 2008 5:45:41 AM
If Hillary really were just working in the existing system, she wouldn't be trying to make up a new designation for delegates that come out of caucses. Newsflash for Hillary, they're exactly the same kinds of delegates that come out of primaries. There are NOT three kinds of delegates. Only two, pledged delegates (determined by the voters in either caucuses or primaries or even a primacaucus in one case) and SuperDelegates.
Another news flash for Hillary, Superdelegates are NOT "automatic" delegates. They are called Superdelegates. They were called that before you started losing and starting needing to steal the election using them, they'll be called that after, where if you do, you destroy the Democrats chance to win in November.
Hillary shows every day in some new way, how little she cares for the rules or the Democrats or their voters or anyone or anything that gets in the way of her winnning. Her naked ambition and lack of conscience is troubling, to say the least.
Posted by: Heidi | Mar 16, 2008 2:33:27 AM
Nina -
Just because you belittle someone else's time or experience doesn't make it true - at all.
Hillary spent 8 years working in Bill's administration. Barack has spent 0 years in the White House.
There is nothing illegal in their papers or their tax returns. The government has seen all of them. Bill already released a lot of them earlier than most Presidents do.
Most importantly, I'm sure you are quite dreamy about it, but it is highly unlikely Barack would be able to beat McCain, after the Republicans get through with him, and they have plenty of ammo now. The Rezko and preacher relations will make it impossible in the general.
CBS did a pretty fair and balanced piece on Hillary and Barack, called "For the Record," where they went over their records, and spoke with both their critics and supporters.
It does proves that indeed Hillary has 35 years experience. I have tried to post much of it here before, but Jake deleted half of it.
Peggy Noonan is a critic, writing a critical controversial book to make lots of money. If you only read books by opportunistic critics, you will only those critic's views.
I have to go now.
I think Barack has potential in the future, but he needs more than 3 years national experience to prove himself and be able to beat Republicans in a general election. And Hillary is truly our most qualified candidate.
She has the best plans and policy, and is the one who will best help our economy most efficiently and effectively.
*Cheers*
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 16, 2008 12:41:51 AM
Hillary Clinton is an idiot. Doe she really think she can get the superdelegates? Barack Obama will clearly be viewed as the better candidate. And the whole 3 in the morning ad is pretty stupid. I know damn well I don't want Hillary Clinton answering the phone
Posted by: BIA | Mar 16, 2008 12:28:51 AM
Can Sen. Clinton explain this? Hillary Clinton's 35yrs.
Remember the Republican will talk about this. Can someone please find out why Sen. Clinton hasn't released her tax records or record of activities in the White House as First Lady. If there's something bad we need to know, she should inform us. We don't want the Republican to get the White House because of some hidden facts.
Posted by: Oretega M
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Hillary is running a campaign of deceit about her "experience". First of all, she was DENIED a Security Clearance the entire time she was in the White House!!
So how could she be involved in Foreign POLICY issues? Also, I would like to know just how she "crossed the threshold to Commander and Chief". She would have had to have a TOP SECRET SECURTY CLEARANCE. She had NO security clearance, Period! And those are just the tip of the iceberg to the extent she has deceived American voters. Her supporters do not bother to find facts, they just believe everything Hillary tells them and repeat after her. Just look at how, on these comments, they repeat/parrot everything she says as the TRUTH. Very sad, indeed.
Posted by: NinaK | Mar 16, 2008 12:05:54 AM
I would say THE MOST POWERFUL WOMAN IN POLITICS, MS. PELOSI, HAS IT RIGHT! I would say the THE MOST WANNABE POWERFUL WOMAN IN POLITICS, MRS. CLINTON, HAS IT ALL WRONG.
The democrat election processes have been in place for decades; now because they are not going Clinton's way, she wants them changed. Same goes for the DNC rules, she agreed to them, just as the rest of the candidates did; now because things aren't going her way, she wants them changed 18 full months after she agreed to them!! Bottom line, it is Clinton's way or no way!! She does not play by the rules when they are not in her favor. Guess Hillary never grew up emotionally, she behaves like the bully in elementary school. And guess what? NO ONE LIKES A BULLY AND NO ONE TRUSTS A BULLY. A bully uses intimidation and lies, and that is what Hillary is using.
Posted by: NinaK | Mar 15, 2008 11:25:00 PM
As usual, Sen. Clinton's answer makes NO sense!
Posted by: Sarah | Mar 15, 2008 11:21:27 PM
She just keeps digging herself in deeper and deeper and deeper. Isn't it obvious by now that she cares more about winning the Presidency for herself than the good of America? Other democratic politicians never did well around the Clintons. They are doing their best to shove Barack aside too. But despite all their chattering, he is tougher than both of them. The Clintons have finally met their match.
Posted by: Duck Soup | Mar 14, 2008 10:43:46 PM
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Hi Duck Soup. I agree wholeheartedly with your comment. With the exception that "The Clintons have finally met their match". I would big to differ on that one. What the Clintons have finally met, is someone who actually is far more BRILLIANT, INTELLIGENT, AND HONEST POLITICAL SAVVY, than themselves. They have finally met someone who is GREATER than they are. And Hillary cannot stand it, she has gone into the depths of insanity in her rhetoric to the point where she does not make sense; continually contradicting herself! The entire world is watching and when Senator Obama is declared the nominee as a result of having won most states, most popular votes, most delegates and most superdelegates, Hillary will have to be carried off in a straight jacket!!
And NO, Hillary didn't sell me! As usual, she does NOT answer the questions directly...she runs around corners, crosses lawns, jumps over fences and she still does not give a direct answer, as you know. :)
Posted by: NinaK | Mar 15, 2008 10:52:47 PM
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says it would be damaging to the Democratic party for its leaders to buck the will of national convention delegates picked in primaries and caucuses, a declaration that gives a boost to Sen. Barack Obama.
"If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what's happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party," Pelosi said in an interview taped Friday for broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week."
The California Democrat did not mention either Obama or his rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, by name. But her remarks seemed to suggest she was prepared to cast her ballot at the convention in favor of the candidate who emerges from the primary season with the most pledged delegates.
Obama leads Clinton by 142 pledged delegates — those delegates picked in nomination contests to date, in The Associated Press' count.
Barring an unlikely string of landslide victories by the former first lady in the remaining states, he will end the primary season with a delegate lead, but short of the 2025 needed to win the nomination.
That gives the balance of power to the so-called superdelegates, prominent Democrats who are automatically entitled to attend the convention because of their status as members of Congress or other leaders. Clinton leads Obama for their support in the AP count, 249-213.
Pelosi's comments could influence other House Democrats who are neutral in the presidential race and will attend the convention as superdelegates.
In her interview, Pelosi also said that even if one candidate winds up with a larger share of the popular vote than the delegate leader, the candidate who has more delegates should prevail.
"It's a delegate race," she said. "The way the system works is that the delegates choose the nominee."
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From the Speaker of the House! The most powerful female democrat.
Finally the Democratic party is waking up! Good night Hillary, goodnight.
Posted by: Martha Davidson | Mar 15, 2008 7:44:00 PM
Just because people have virulent opinions, doesn't make them right.
But many Obama supporters are convinced that they are.
Your sense of reality is about as realistic as a Hollywood BlockBluster.
This is the danger of the pop-culture generation. You cannot differentiate between fiction and reality.
I am not saying you are stupid, but I am saying that you have quite a ways to go with developing your thinking and comprehension. You do not study comphrensive history. You do not even reason well. You jump to conclusions. You believe everything you hear. You judge and blame in an instant, without even knowing the true more accurate context. You live in a context of blame for the past and blindness to the true dynamics of the future.
Barack will never be able to beat McCain.
Hillary is a good woman, and she has not lied or changed her position any more than Barack.
She is our most qualified candidate and she is in the best position to beat McCain. She is a good woman.
You have positive eyes for Barack,
and negative ones for Hillary -
that does not mean that your eyes are not exaggerating either way.
I have watched Hillary through her whole career, I know those who love to hate are wrong. You're just being 'haters.'
Everyone is human. You ignore the human mistakes of Barack. He has made many. And dig up every last bit on Hillary - most of it are lies and rubbish. You are the ones who thrive on spewing hate and lies - acting like real monsters.
You are very scary indeed. But not in a powerful way. In a disatrous for our country kind of way.
p.s. I am highly educated, an Award-winning scholar. under 40, and I approve of this message.
I am leaving now to do work, so I won't be around to discuss these matter further with you. Please think about them - for the greater good.
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 15, 2008 6:22:07 PM
I know lots of comited democrats who will vote mccain instead of a cheating clinton.
Almost as many as the racists who would never vote for Obama.
Its a huge mess fer sure
Posted by: paul vogel | Mar 15, 2008 4:55:00 PM
Hurricane Hillary is causing severe damage to the Democrat Party. Similar to the Clintons' mastery of "scorched earth" and "vise-grip" politics: if she doesn't get her nomination to the presidency Hurricane Hillary will spawn off whirlwinds of destruction with the anger and the perpetual fury the party have yet to witness. Katrina will look like the eye of the storm compared to the Clintons' wrath. Shore up and brace yourselves for the perfect storm Democrats!
Posted by: The Admiral | Mar 15, 2008 12:26:32 PM
Hillary can't even run a campaign. How could she run the country?
Posted by: Bob Loblaw | Mar 15, 2008 12:07:54 PM
Thanks to "dl" for offering the suggestion that Obama supporters might vote for McCain over Clinton because they believe he is a more appealing character than Clinton. I'm not convinced that Obama himself would sympathise with them, but that is not the point, I suppose.
Posted by: Alex W | Mar 15, 2008 11:23:54 AM
1) Neither candidate should have to explain the rules; the DNC should do that, since they wrote them. If that causes one candidate problems, tough.
2) The DNC should either admit it was foolish in its decision to strip Michigan and Florida of its delegates and pay for new primaries - or it should stick to the decision and just live with the consequences, whatever they may be.
3) The Democrats should forget caucasus and open primaries and just have closed primaries in every state.
Posted by: Alex W | Mar 15, 2008 10:58:48 AM
You mean this is still being debated? Hope America isn't still thinking about voting for a racist, inexperienced candidate who hates the country. Send Barack and his divisive viewpoints back to Kenya.
Posted by: CTKPGH | Mar 15, 2008 10:55:42 AM
No, absolutely unconvincing. So, you mean 800 people can change the will of millions of voters? What a shame, this is not democracy, but theocracy. Why don't we do that also at national level? People choose between Obama and Mac Cain, and then a Council of the Wise and Elderly (800 people) will decide if in fact people made the right choice. If Obama wins states, pledged delegates and popular vote, NO CHANCE that anybiody overturns this. This is the end of the Democratic Party.
Posted by: Denis Van Dam | Mar 15, 2008 10:45:47 AM
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