Hillary's Superdelegate Explanation

There you all go again, slicing and dicing the American people. We are all one people!

Sen. Clinton does herself, the Democratic Party, the individual states, and the United States a disservice by acting as if the pledged delegates from caucus states aren't representative because they are "small."

The House and Senate are "small" when you consider the population of the U.S.

It was certainly a "small" Second Continental Congress that met in Philadelphia in 1776 and declared our independence. Are these "small" delegates inconsequential?

Not at all. It just shows that she is absolutely dedicated to a process which is top-down, as opposed to bottom up.

As usual, she is deadset AGAINST the will of the people.

Nothing new.

Matt

If Hillary is nominated, progressives and most independents will not even vote in November, and McCain will win the general election.

Not that it matters. Her politics are more aligned with McCain's than with the Democratic Party. She'd be a perfect fpick for his VP.

I'd be happy to take Hillary to the UK with me... Thankyou so much for offering. In the UK, we actually vote our leaders on experience... We vote our leaders because they tell us exactly what they will do and how they will do it. We used your logic once... When we voted for Tony Blair... Sure, he was bright, charismatic, and promised change and restructuring... What did we get instead? a war, amongst other things which slowly began to rise to the surface after we voted him. Believe me... We are more experienced to cast our judgement than most of you seem to be... You forget that we have been electing prime ministers for twice as long as you have.
Hillary would be a valid and welcome change for out country... And should be for yours too.

One more thing...
Obama supporters seem intent on pushing the idea of '20 years of bushes and clintons'...
Do you forget that it's 12 years of Bush and 8 of Clinton... How can you call it a 'dynasty'... She hasn't even won the nomination yet!

To nico, from the U. K. Take Hillary with you to the U.K. I'm sure you two will be perfect together.Win at any cost. rules be dammed.

Hillary is the status quo candidate and sold me nothing. The two party duopoly of Bush/Clinton has had a stranglehold on this nation for nigh on 20 years now.

Obama represents change, and an implicit threat, so she's pulling out all the stops to defeat him and to make her victory look legitimate in the eyes of democrats everywhere.. Even if it means lawyering the rules to ignore their collective will in favor of "party insiders" with whom her and bill are very close.

Frankly, she's the cover up candidate. The establishment needs someone to cover and conceal the crimes of GHWB, her husband and (especially) little Emperor Georgie.

(And Boy, does he need help! A little digging and he might join the Henry Kissinger "There's places I can't go.." Travel Club!)

Her run and her support is much more about conserving the status quo and protecting vested interests than it is about reform, or even concern, about the ills visited upon us for the last 20 years.

Expect to hear more tortured denials and warped logic in the weeks to come as she continues to advocate a Hillary Presidency by any means necessary.

Also expect a chorus of support as vested interests pile on to preserve the last ring of the Bush/Clinton traveling circus.

I'm curious.
Are Obama supporters so bitter that they are willing to give power to the republicans should Obama lose the eventual nomination? If this is the case... And you decide not to vote at all, or vote republican... Then shame on you! There is no evidence that Clinton supporters would do the same. You say Hillary is selfish? She has been democratic in answering the question of the 'joint ticket' and I agree that, due to how tight the race is, that she is perfectly qualified to say such a thing. That is democratic! Obama has flat out rejected the suggestion... Surely this makes Obama look even MORE selfish and secular than Clinton?

I'm not American, I'm actually from the UK, but if I did get the chance to vote in the election, I'd be sincerely worried about voting for Obama should he win... Based on the fact that the majority of his voters are quite willing to sell the party to the republicans should Obama not win. Shame on you, you are not democratic at all

if the democratic party is so fragile that it can't take the sparring of two candidates without imploding, then there isn't much there. We should stop demonizing either side and just be able to have a spirited debate about what is best for the part and the nation. Neither Hillary nor Obama is the unmitigated disaster that these flame wars suggest. Likening Hillary to a republican is idiotic. And a dual ticket would probably best the best thing overall (regardless of who gets the top spot).
Let's just get on with it.

If hillary thinks caucuses are undemocratic and unrepresentative of the will of the voters -- a bit of illogic that overlooks the fact that voters participate in them -- then she shouldn't have worked so hard to win the Iowa caucuses. Just goes to show that people are in favor of things when those things work for them, and against things when those things work against them.

Sounds like clintonism itself.

She's a lost soul and thinks we are idiots. Can she hear herself, what's she saying?

Presidential material?

The obvious thing is that she'd be spinning this thing about the superdelegates exactly the opposite way if that is what benefited her.

IT LOOKS LIKE HILLARY WANTS TO FOLLOW THE RULES. SO I SAY SHE FOLLOWS THE RULES SET FORTH BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! NO DO OVERS NO SEAT AT THE CONVENTION. SHE SAID SHE WANTS TO FOLLOW THE RULES! "Clinton: I think that, you know, we are we are following what it was determined to be an appropriate process for picking a nominee." OR IS THAT ONLY WHEN IT HELPS HE. If i were Obama i would be very careful or he too could end up in fort mary park.............
Hillary CLinton is a PURE FASCIST.

Sooooooo, she criticized "party activists" who are regular voters and called them "unrepresentative of the electorate," yet she considers the "party activist" superdelegates to be representative?

No, no sell. We're tired of double-speak and attempts at political stunts.

I'm for Hillary and darn sick of reading opposition trash. She is one of the great minds of our times and is in place to support the party, which ever way it goes. Dems need to come together, because Obama and Hillary are closer to friends than arch enemies. You all are hurting Obama by trashing Sen. Clinton.

Fredrika,

I agree with what you say about being a real feminist. I have no intention of voting for Hillary - who I completely distrust - just because I'm a woman. That would be stupid and that is what Hillary is counting on. The way she treated the women her husband accosted was enough for me to see what she's all about. The fact that she gets so much of the women's vote is mind boggling and sadly in a way proves Hillary's point - there are plenty of stupid voters.

NEWS FLASH:

1. For those who talk of the good of the party, didn't democrats lose the House and Senate under Clinton's two terms?

2. Didn't Obama recently endorse and campaign for democrat Bill Foster who won a House seat in a republican district over Jim Oberweis? They're calling this a "political earthquake".

3. Can anyone explain how the logic of seating Florida and Michigan is following party rules?

4. Did you know that the DNC is a private company and not a federal public venture?

5. Did anyone hear McCain say he wanted to end the war swiftly and include everybody in uplifting the nation? He did say this in the speech he gave when he won the required delegates. So, he's speaking to Obama supporters there. He even said he wanted McCain-democrats.

6. Telling people they are not really for the party if they don't vote for Hillary, or choose McCain instead, could be rephrased thusly:

If people are not really for the party, how can the party or Hillary motivate people to vote for her, OR HER PARTY, regardless of the nominee?

In addition to brains and experience, a leader (or a party) has to be able to communicate a vision and rally support. Right?

These three candidates are very impressive.

Uh no. Voting for Hillary would mean a slow death for the nation whereas McCain would destroy us fast and clean. I'll go with fast and clean.

Hillary is a republican. A lying, pandering, power-mad, rule breaking, kleptocrat who doesn't give a damn about anyone other than herself. If you don't get that - you deserve the government and nation that will result.

A real feminist supports the best CANDIDATE for the job. Not the only WOMAN for the job. Seriously, the 1st and 2nd wave dinosaurs are just destroying any credibility they had with younger women by acting exactly like Evangelical Christian republicans - supporting their identity politics at the nation's expense.

Can someone please explain to me why the democratic party is letting Bill and Hillary bully them around. We really are the party of wimps. No wonder we can't get anything done. If they can't handle Hillary then I'm sure they can't handle Karl Rove. I'm so thoroughly disgusted and disheartened I can't even tell you. Where's Pelosi? Where's Edwards? Where's Gore? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. She is making it impossible for him to win in the general, and we all know she can't win so what is going on here. At this pt congressional seats are becoming at risk because one woman wants the presidency so badly that she will destroy the party to get there and the rest of the party is sitting around twittling their thumbs while she does it!
If Hillary wins I will gladly campaign for McCain afterall he is the "more experienced candidate"

for a decade or more the right wingers have hated Hillary. One of the things they say it that this woman will do ANYTHING to get power. I always used to dismiss them as propogandists, but recently I have had the horrific realization that it appears they were right about this all along.
She is tearing the Democratic Party in 2, and if she steals the nomination it will be devastating to the party, and we will be looking at a republican president come 2009.
We already had one election stolen from us in 2000, let's not let it happen again in the democratic primaries. We all need to rally around Obama, the rightful democratic candidate.