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Howard Dean 2004: The Medals Matter
March 28, 2008 9:32 PM
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., launches a biography tour next week, which looks to tell the American people about his days as a POW in Vietnam, at least based on his new TV ad (watch HERE) introduced today in New Mexico.
In response, Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean issued a statement, saying, “John McCain can try to reintroduce himself to the country, but he can’t change the fact that he cast aside his principles to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with President Bush the last seven years. While we honor McCain’s military service, the fact is Americans want a real leader who offers real solutions, not a blatant opportunist who doesn’t understand the economy and is promising to keep our troops in Iraq for 100 years.”
The Republican Party has seized upon the term "blatant opportunist" to suggest that Dean is implying McCain is an opportunist for including his POW information in his TV ad.
RNC Deputy Chairman Frank Donatelli said, “Howard Dean owes John McCain an immediate apology and both Sens. Clinton and Obama should unequivocally denounce this disgraceful attack."
That's all noise. What's more interesting are the Dean quotes from 2004 that may come back to haunt him this year.
"The real issue is this," Dean said in March 2004, when endorsing formal rival Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., "Who would you rather have in charge of the defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the battlefields of Vietnam?"
McCain, by the way, has been awarded the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, two Bronze Star Medals, a Purple Heart and the Distinguished Flying Cross.
- jpt
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The DNC only seems to be concerned about the balck and youth voters and does not care if they disenfranchise the older female supporters of Hillary Clinton. Believe me, we will not vote Democratic if you deny Hillary the candidacy for Novemeber. Hillary is the best qualified and most capable to win and do good things for this country. She should run as an Independant if you deny her the candidacy. The youth vote and black vote is not able to close the deal for Obama in even the primaries - they won't get him elected in November. Women got the previous Democratic presidents elcted to the white house. You need to voice concern over losing the female voters. We have said we will not vote for Obama in a large percentage.
Posted by: this election counts | May 2, 2008 10:14:49 AM
The idiot republican voters had a chance to vote for a candidate who knew more about what the country needed than all the other mannequins combined.
McCain voters need an education.
Posted by: knot2hazy | Mar 31, 2008 5:46:23 PM
Howard Dean, while not perfect, is exactly where the Democratic party, and the nation need to be going. Results speak for themselves... Who took back congress, who gained seats in the oppositions 'Red' States, and under which DNC leadership was this? The 50-state strategy is working...
Posted by: triax | Mar 31, 2008 11:49:49 AM
It will be interesting to see the Democrats run from their 2004 assertations about Kerry now that both of their candidates are a couple of priveledged Ivy Leaguers who never spent a day in harms way.
My guess is over the next 8 months many more quotes about Kerry being more fit to lead because of his service will pop up, and not in a flattering way for HRC or Obama.
Posted by: Crazy Politico | Mar 31, 2008 7:10:07 AM
DogSoldier writes: "The difference between McCain and Kerry is that McCain actually deserved his medals".
Actually, if you read McCain's Silver Star citation, I don't know how you can possibly support that concusion. How can you make propaganda broadcasts (almost 3 dozen), on the one hand, and then be awarded a medal for resisting attempts to make propaganda statements??
Deserved?? How can that be?
Posted by: mikeusmc | Mar 30, 2008 3:18:28 PM
Sorry, I meant products instead of profits.
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 30, 2008 3:18:13 PM
Thinking, because no one will have ANYTHING witheld from their paychecks! And as I mentioned before, the elimination of the multiple hidden taxes that are currently passed on to consumers will result in lower prices . And some products will see a drop below the 23%, so there will actually be a net gain for those profits.
Now as for homes being a luxury item, I consider the multi-million dollar homes as being a luxury. I would also consider any car over $60,000 as being a luxury.
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 30, 2008 3:15:37 PM
In the Winter of 2002 – 2003, a killing wind swept Arizona. It swept over the rugged red mountains, across the mesquite-dotted deserts and through the canyons and washes seeking out its victims.
It swept down the echoing corridors of nursing homes and into poor trailer-houses, senior apartment complexes and assisted living facilities. Its victims were the elderly poor, who, if they did not lose their lives in its wake, were robbed of the Medicaid Title 19 services that enabled them to face each day. Everything that Medicaid could supply them was cut short or completely lost. Fragile human dignity fell and shattered as the poor elderly literally begged for assistance.
A fierce wind that no one could hear blew in from the NCFE bankruptcy, taking in its wake 131 – 181 million dollars of Arizona Medicaid money – money invested in NCFE through the Local Government Investment Pools (LGIP) without the knowledge or consent of the Arizona taxpayers.
No one can hear the cries of the elderly who are still in the grip of the death-wind. Does John McCain know? Of course he does. The question is…does he care? That answer is no – he is only afraid that the rest of the world will find out what happened out here. The crimes have been committed by state and local Arizona governments, and the secret of those crimes has been effectively kept.
Posted by: Mary A. Wilson | Mar 30, 2008 3:12:36 PM
Hmm ....seems my post was deleted.
Let's try again. without a link maybe.
Characteristic Number
(thousands) Median
income
All households 116,011 48,201
Type of household
Family households 78,425 59,894
Married-couple families 58,945 69,716
Female householder, no
husband present 14,416 31,818
Male householder, no
wife present 5,063 47,078
Nonfamily households 37,587 29,083
Female householder 20,249 23,876
Male householder 17,338 35,614
Race and Hispanic origin of householder
White 94,705 50,673
Non-Hispanic 82,675 52,423
Black 14,354 31,969
Asian and Pacific Islander 4,454 64,238
Hispanic origin1 12,973 37,781
Age of householder
15–24 6,662 30,937
25–34 19,435 49,614
35–44 22,779 60,405
45–54 24,140 64,874
55–64 19,266 54,592
65 and over 23,729 27,798
Nativity of the householder
Native 100,603 49,074
Foreign born 15,408 43,943
Naturalized citizen 7,210 51,440
Not a citizen 8,198 39,497
Region
Northeast 21,261 52,057
Midwest 26,508 47,836
South 42,587 43,884
West 25,656 52,249
First number is number of Households second is number is Median Income.
Now tell me how that lower 50% ( $48,202 a yaer and below)can afford a 23% increase on everything they buy.
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 30, 2008 11:36:12 AM
Typo there that is supposed to be $48,000 a year median income.
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 30, 2008 11:18:36 AM
James Danely wrote:
I prefer Alan Keyes suggestion of duty free stores. Stores that carry everything without frills. You would even be able to buy large ticket items such as appliances and even cars (probably only hybrid and electric).
Now then, luxury items WILL be taxed the 23%. When you buy a home, you will pay the 23% federal sales tax. When you buy a car, you will pay the 23% federal sales tax.
You make me laugh! A home a luxury Item?
Duty Free store, Large Ticket Items?
See what I mean?
I 23% increase on Homes, 23% increase on cars. Luxury Items? I don't neede a home or a car?
What is a large ticket item? A large boat, $20,000 home entertainment Center,
Humvee?
Give it a rest, I can see through this rubbish with my eyes closed.
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 30, 2008 11:05:46 AM
Talk about fair? Right now the top 5% of wage earners account for 36% of the national income. But they pay 60% of the total taxes paid. The top 25% of wage earners pay 86% of the total taxes paid; and the top 50% of wage earners pay 97% of the total taxes paid. That means the bottom 50% of the wage earners pay only 3% of the total taxes paid.
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 30, 2008 10:57:11 AM
To clarify, duty free stores would be exempt from the 23% federal sales tax.
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 30, 2008 10:47:30 AM
Thinking, you should read up on the fair tax proposal. Part of the current proposal is for everyone to receive a check as a reimbursement to make a similar adjustment that the current tax law has where no one pays tax on the first $7,500 of income.
I, personally, don't like that idea because it is extremely costly to keep sending checks out to everyone. I prefer Alan Keyes suggestion of duty free stores. Stores that carry everything without frills. You would even be able to buy large ticket items such as appliances and even cars (probably only hybrid and electric).
Now then, luxury items WILL be taxed the 23%. When you buy a home, you will pay the 23% federal sales tax. When you buy a car, you will pay the 23% federal sales tax.
And prices will come down. That's because corporations and some small businesses currently tack on what they have to pay accountants for determining what they owe in taxes. Corporations pay, nationally, tens of billions of dollars annually, just trying to determine tax loop holes and what they owe. It is this area that has drastically hurt our economy. Companies, like Enron, tried to skirt their tax obligations by cooking the books. And in doing so, caused great harm to their employees, share holders and the overall economy. Eliminating an incentive for cooking the books will also keep the money here in American banks.
Finally, industries that are currently not paying their fair share in taxes (i.e. criminal activities such as prostitution and drug dealers) will pay their share under the fair tax. That will be a huge increase in general revenues.
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 30, 2008 10:46:09 AM
Obama lies everyday, and the press lets him do it. They adore him. He lied about what McCain said about 100 years in Iraq, and lied about Hillary said about NAFTA. Much like the late night comedians, who have yet to make one joke disparaging Barack Obama while brutally mocking and insulting Hillary and McCain nightly, our press had decided an affirmative action policy of preferential treatment towards Barack Obama. It is incredibly un-American the bias shown by the white guilt liberal media. They let Obama off for his seeking out militant black leaders to get elected as an "exceptional speech on race". No, it was a detour and distraction, and the media ate it up hook, line and sinker.
Posted by: Karen | Mar 30, 2008 10:43:40 AM
Mark,
It's not a single quote, it is not even many quotes taken out of context over some political campaign that we are talking about.
It is a Republican Philosophy, and the results of, or consequences of such a philosophy.
It is not a single issue, it is a multiplicity of issues, it is a general direction, it is a view of where we are going or where we should be going. It is about the results of the last 8 years.
It is not even about a single person, be it McCain, Obama, or Hillary, but what they represent, and who best can promote the ideals that the party represents.
The Republicans just don't get it.
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 30, 2008 10:31:47 AM
When someone says something as blatantly dishonest as the Dems are about the 100 years thing the media would NORMALLY call that person out.
Why not now? Why the kid gloves when Dems lie? You only need to listen to the whole quote where McCain said 100 years if....noone was being killed or hurt.
Jake, you are a good reporter. Just call a spade a spade.
Posted by: Mark | Mar 30, 2008 10:20:28 AM
Consumption Tax ( fair tax as you call it), as everyone knows is not fair, but in fact taxes a greater percentage of income of the less fortunate. That is if I make less I pay a greater percentage of what I make to the government. How is that fair? This is not even mentioning all those luxury items that the industry will say they van not sell with ( What's the number 23% Sales tax on it), so they will in the end be excluded.
And once again Industry, those who rcv the greatest benefit from our nation, will pay nothing. Yes nothing, well I guess they pay enough in lobbying to get what they want
Fair! While I pay 23% of my income, I do not know about you but, but I spend overtime just about all I make, while those who are well off deriving the most of the country, pay less on a percentage bases. Allowing them to put more into those Companies paying nothing, gaining more income, to buy better Health care, higher end product excluded product. I do not think so.
Raise my taxes, lift the limit, switch to price indexing. I am not sold on the privatization. That is a buch of baloney perpetuated by Bush and the Republican Party. Someplace in there is a profit for industry at a cost to the public sector.
We seen the how well privatzation has worked in FEMA,and IRAQ.
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 30, 2008 9:47:42 AM
I never contributed to DEAN or KERRY, once you have huge Hollywood support and are labeled a LIBERAL the Republicans will beat you.
Four years ago when Kerry ran, I was 15, I knew he wasn't going win when I saw how much Hollywood was behind him and I was right.
Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 4:57:58 AM
Thinking, the only item in which I totally agree with you is that Social Security and Medicare are going broke. President Bush tried twice to get Congress to address the situation and both times they dropped the ball.
In 2017 Social Security benefit payments will begin to exceed the Social Security tax income. That's because the baby-boom generation has just begun to retire. Over the course of the next 20 years there will be 80 million new Social Security beneficiaries. That's an average of over 10,000 PER DAY. Right now there are about 3.3 workers per Social Security beneficiary. It is forecast that in 2032 there will be just 2.1 workers per Social Security beneficiary. And by 2040 only about 74% of benefits will be paid unless changes are made.
There are currently just three reasonable options (or any combination thereof): (1) Change the $97,500 income cap for Social Security taxes (either raise the cap or eliminate the cap altogether); (2) Raise the age eligibility; (3) Begin a parital privatization of Social Security.
However, there is a fourth option that is not currently available. And that is through the fair tax, as outlined by Mike Huckabee. Under the fair tax, all income taxes are eliminated and replaced with a national sales tax (23% is the rate being discussed). A portion of this national sales tax will go towards Social Security (as well as Medicare and Medicaid). The beauty of this plan means that the financing of the benefits are no longer the responsibility of the employees and their employers. Instead everyone will contribute whenever they purchase goods or services. In addition, younger employees will then have the opportunity to opt out of Social Security and replace it with personal retirement accounts. This means fewer beneficiaries in the future.
With the elimination of the payroll tax, workers will keep all of their paycheck. Which means more opportunity to purchase goods and services, thus more national sales tax revenue. AND even more importantly, employers will have their costs dramatically lowered. This means more profit, better opportunities for expansion -- thus more purchases, and even more national sales tax revenue.
But there is another great benefit of the fair tax, and that is the elimination of all of the hidden taxes currently included in the price of products. So prices will actually drop (the price of some products could actually drop more than 23%, which means a net gain for the consumer).
But under a President Obama or a President Clinton, incomes taxes will be raised significantly. This will decimate small businesses, which will lead to layoffs -- thus higher unemployment and less tax revenue; and Social Security will go bankrupt even sooner.
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 30, 2008 1:15:01 AM
McSame is an opportunist. He traded his principles (tax cut for the wealthy, religious radicalism, torture...etc) for the republican nomination.
Obama will crush the old man in November. Obama will not try to pretend that he is Rambo, that's what used to get Democrats in trouble. The election will be between Tomorrow and Yesterday.
Americans will choose Tomorrow.
Posted by: tchanta | Mar 30, 2008 12:49:03 AM
Give me a brake The Republican Party hasn't a chance despite all the conflict within the Democratic Party. McCain can't even raise the money needed to compete. He has nothing but a failed Republican agenda to run on, and that is so bad even you guys won't support him.
I notice none of you take issue with the comments I have made about the war and the state of our nation.
Your leaders aren't Patriotic, they say they are anti-government, unwilling to pay their taxes, support welfare for the corporations and the rich., and at the same time argue that the poor are held down if the government gives them a hand up. Makes them dependent, they say.
The war of choice, handed over to private enterprise, at the cost of our Military men and women, for no bid contracts to Haliburton ( Chenny ), who then is so patriotic to relocate their Corp. office to the Middle East.
Now the economy is tanking and they hand 30 billion, say that again, 30 billion to a failed banking investment concern while their CEO walks off with millions. Oh sure lets privatize the USA, it's the most effient way to to bring it to it's knees. Free market system, is absolutley the solution to all our problems.
Get real!
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 29, 2008 11:36:53 PM
Senators Clinton and Obama are both draft dodgers, the first by hiding behind her sex and the second by being lucky enough to be born too late. Neither volunteered for military service nor did either of those chicken hawks even do a stint in the Peace Corps.
Moderates know better. That's why a match up between Hillary or Barack's poll numbers are crashing compared to Senator McCain's, despite the decision of principled conservative folks to sit out this election.
Posted by: michael i | Mar 29, 2008 11:01:36 PM
Thinking says "Can't beat McCain and the Republican Party? If we can't then we are on sorry ass bunch of people."
Well, Thinking, you have characterized the Democratic party to a tee. The political veneer of corruption that Obama that lubricated his rise through the corrupt Chicago political machine will be used to devestating effect by his Republican opponent in the general election. And if the Democrats are stupid enough (and they probably are) to combine the corrupt Obama with the master liar Clinton, they provide McCain two targets to destroy.
If Americans elects one (or both) of these two charlatans and a party that can't even run a primary election after 200 years of practice, they deserve what they get.
One need only look at the disaster of a Democratic Congress under Pelosi and Reed and compare it with their pre-election promises to know that their promises are not worth the paper they are written on. This failed Congress is less popular then the Republican Congress it was elected to replace and improve upon!
The Democrats will continue to make absurd promises and rely on the memory of the American Republic to forget that they never deliver except on promises to raise taxes!
Posted by: Milo | Mar 29, 2008 9:15:27 PM
Rich, I retract that part of my comment. You are right. I cannot speak for all Americans. I was just playing on the words of the ad. To clarify, I myself do not want another war president. I'd really like to see more positive comments in Jake Tapper's blog. It's really disheartening to see so much animosity. I've been a Republican, voted for Bush in 2000, became Independent and now am active as a Democrat in my precinct. We have to get past non-violent tribal warfare between Democrats and Republicans and come together to fix the real problems facing this country. Whoever is president, including McCain, I will support to improve the future for my children.
Posted by: Cindy in Salt Lake | Mar 29, 2008 8:34:23 PM
Unfortunately for Clinton, history shows that the person who loses rarely wins.
Posted by: Reagan | Mar 29, 2008 8:29:47 PM
All those who are petty think that they will be spiting others and not themselves should they follow through with the childish notion about 'voting for McBush' come November.
For those who do not realize that conditions in the country can get, they have not learned anything over the past 7 years of death and destruction of lives and economy under the Bush misguided Presidency.
911, UNPROVOKED Iraq war, foreclosures, economic recession, etc, etc came with the bad luck Bush. And McBush promised more of the same.
Posted by: New Yorker | Mar 29, 2008 8:26:13 PM
"A Hillary-Edwards combination would
be unbeatable..... !!!!!"
Mmmm.
It seems Obama managed to beat both of them this year.
Posted by: Petra | Mar 29, 2008 8:12:03 PM
They should have given medals to the draft dodgers. G W Bush & Chaney would have a chest full. But I must say Dean could have done better and Kerry is still a DIC@. Obama has never seen much up close and personal in war. How could he, he is the new breed of political leaders but the reality is you don't know anything until you have been shot at.
Posted by: jackmax | Mar 29, 2008 8:06:09 PM
The party brass isn't thinking through its strategy. About half the Democrats, give or take, support Hillary. Trying to shut her down before the primary process has run its course alienates a huge part of the party's base, people it will need if the Democrats expect to prevail in November. Putting thumbs on the scales in favor of Obama fosters a justifiable belief that Dean, et al aren't playing fair, which they aren't. If they don't back off the Dems will lose in November, and they'll find themselves disgraced and out of power.
Posted by: shellray | Mar 29, 2008 7:33:20 PM
Dean, Leahy, Dodd = Vermont and Connecticut. States with some very good Americans within, who have already voted.
Therein lies much of the problem in their calling for HRC. to "quit". I would be willing to bet that Vermont and Connecticut voters, who "have already voted", equate to possibly 5% or so of the number of voters waiting their turns in the remaining states.
Such a disparity makes the "wishes" of Dean, Leahy, and Dodd even more ludicrous than they appear on the surface. How can any of these 3, or any others calling for a cessation of choice, ever speak of "Democracy". They certainly seem to not want to practice such!
Do not know the actual numbers re Vermont and Connecticut compared to remaining states, perhaps someone else does and will be good enough to post them.
Posted by: MC | Mar 29, 2008 7:15:33 PM
Dean even got Kerry's record wrong -- Kerry never received the Silver Star, only a Bronze Star.
Posted by: Larry | Mar 29, 2008 6:59:00 PM
"Poor Howard Dean; Pelosi; Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson---they can't help it---they were born with a silver foot in their mouths."
They have ruined the Democratic Party!
Posted by: PROUDAMERICAN | Mar 29, 2008 6:28:12 PM
I want to know why now there was no fight for a redo for FLA.& MI.when it first happened. We have know for a while thier votes wouldn't count
Posted by: PDC | Mar 29, 2008 6:04:14 PM
personal insults are so characteristic of the 'new democrat' as evidenced by obama online supporters. mr dean does not speak for me.
i believe that we should call on mr. dean and pelosi to step down from their respective positions as chair of the dnc and democratic convention. they have exposed themselves as incompetents, biased, and unable to serve in a dignified manner that is fair and objective.
yes it is possible that the michigan and florida delegates will be seated-but only after obama gets the nomination thus deans rush to impose deadlines on the superdelegates- and demanding an early end to the primary.
you cannot put a deadline on democracy mr. dean. let the people vote otherwise even if your candidate wins it will be fodder for the republicans come novemeber.
mr.dean and pelosi you bring shame to the party step-down now and let the people decide this election after ALL the votes are counted. and All the super delegates have had an opportunity to make a decision. now that kennedy/richardson and others have led the way in making it clear that the super delegates do not have to vote in step with their constituents that argument is over. get over yourself and let the people vote.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Mar 29, 2008 5:27:02 PM
Sonia Excellent Comment. I agree with you 100 % I am one of those that feel not welcome in the Democratic party anymore. But i think the party will pay dearly comes November. So many of us will feel unwanted, disregarded, as if we all didn't matter in the process, but the party elders that are Obama supporters are ignoring a very large portion of the Democratic voters. They will pay dearly comes November.
Posted by: Persio | Mar 29, 2008 5:23:12 PM
Typical of Obama closet supporter Dean, that wants to have it both ways just like Obama. Poor Democratic Party. If things continue like this, i would not feel welcome in this party anymore.
Posted by: Persio | Mar 29, 2008 5:13:42 PM
A Hillary-Edwards combination would
be unbeatable..... !!!!!
Posted by: questioner | Mar 29, 2008 5:03:04 PM
Commenter above said: "Can't beat McCain and the Republican Party? If we can't then we are on sorry ass bunch of people."
That nails it, I think. As dumb as the Republicans can be, we Democrats run straight off the cliff every time. Obama is going to kill us again '08, even if the NPR-latte crowd can't yet see it. How can we nominate the most liberal member of the Senate, a man with no experience, and hope to win against a popular centrist like McCain? This race is over folks, and we've beaten ourselves once again.
Posted by: Conor | Mar 29, 2008 5:02:03 PM
Most of you folks are Republican operatives anyway, who had no intention on voting for Hillary or Obama. Your intentions were and are to support McCain.
The Republicans under Regan supposedly won the Cold War ( From the look and talk of Russia today one has to wonder, not to mention the close and personal friendship between Bush and Putin). Much has been made about how with the esculation of the Arms Race we broke the back of the Soviet Union, destroyed the East German wall that was separating families and love ones restricting free movement of Ideas and trade.
Well today we have a private war, a war of choice, that has stretched our Military to the breaking point. The Army, USMC, National Guard have made no secret of this. The Air force complains that it's equipment is at the breaking point. We have mercenaries providing logistic support that with such stories as Electrocuting our men in the showers, making them sick with contaminated unpotable water for showers. There have been over 4,000 military deaths, over 30,000 military wounded, and these do not count the deaths and wounded suffered by the civilian contractors, that seem to somehow not count. Draft dodger Chenny says they are volunteers. Like that makes it ok.
This war is costing well over 100 billion a year, not on the budget I might add, Social Security and Medicare are going broke, Cities are rotting, the Education system is falling apart, our children are finding it harder to get a Collage Education, our daughters are prostituting themselves so they can afford it. Yet the Republican Party is calling for more tax cuts., Building a wall separating us from Mexico, separating many, many of our citizens from family and friends. 46 million without health care, one of the highest infant mortality rate of the industrialized world, fear among the races, black, white, Hispanic. Cold War on ourselves, break our own institutions. Bring down our own Government, and somehow say they are Patriotic.
Can't beat McCain and the Republican Party? If we can't then we are on sorry ass bunch of people.
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 29, 2008 4:47:47 PM
Sonia,
You expressed my thoughts exactly, and many more feel the same way. Thank you.
Posted by: DWC | Mar 29, 2008 4:27:52 PM
blatant opportunist is a term that very much describes dean, richardson, kennedy, kerry and other presidential hopefuls that lost their bid for the presidency and now see an opportunity to make a president in their own image. you know at the beginning of this primary season many of us centrists, traditional democats would have supported either candidate. it was only after the so called 'party elders' came out for obama that we became suspicious. i recalled the words of my elders 'tell me who you hang out with and i will tell you who you are'. instead of a new direction i started to see all these 'fat cats' and the vile hateful obama online community as the 'new direction' that obama was talking about-and it was then that i realized that traditional democrats had been 'tossed out' and dismissed as uneducated and downtrodden bluecollar, low wage earners. interesting, i did not hear dean calling for party unity when hillary was being viciously attacked and her supporters 'the salt of earth people' that go to work everyday and pay taxes were being hammered and rudely insulted. it is only now that obama is being vetted that dean and the party leadership is calling the rhetoric divisive, and bad for the party. i have been a democrat in new mexico all my life. my elders have been democrats since new mexico was admitted into the union. i have never been so dissappointed or hurt by my party-which come november we will no longer support. remember, it is us downtrodden, low wage earners, that pay your salaries and elect you (or don't) at the local level. we will never forget this betrayal.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Mar 29, 2008 4:16:47 PM
kevin said:
"People like you, supporting rightwing policies are criminals who need to be locked up in Alcatrez jails."
From speech codes to the environment it is the left constantly pushing for laws to control the way we live and they have the audacity to project their fascism on us.
Luckily for us "criminals" due to the anti second amendment stance of the left, if there ever is a conflict we'd be the side with the most guns.
Long live Ted Nugent! :)
Posted by: Rich | Mar 29, 2008 3:59:14 PM
"Hey Libs WE ARE AT WAR!!!"
Easy Tiger. Barak "Conflict-Adverse" Obama will bring an end to war. Like Chamberlain did.
Posted by: Fen | Mar 29, 2008 3:53:05 PM
Libs always say what is political savvy, during Clinton a draft dodger did not matter, under Kerry only a man who served can lead, now under Obama only someone that hates America can serve!
Posted by: spock | Mar 29, 2008 3:48:57 PM
New Yorker said:
"JOHN KERRY NEVER PANDER HIMSELF AS A PATRIOT!"
Now I know you're kidding. If I had a dollar for everytime I heard John Kerry say, "When I was in Vietnam..." I'd be a rich man.
And by the way, the talking point "military experience of ALMOST TWO GENERATIONS AGO!" phrase you keep using was during the same war Kerry's experience was in.
So to re-cap...
McCain in Vietnam = too old
Gore and Kerry in Vietnam = heroes
Classic.
Posted by: Rich | Mar 29, 2008 3:48:11 PM
Hey Libs WE ARE AT WAR!!! I know President Bush has done a terrific job protecting the homeland but we can not let down our guard because the minute we do we will be attacked in the homeland, and the libs in government do not understand that!
McCain is the best choice out of the 3 to lead this country!
Posted by: spock | Mar 29, 2008 3:47:08 PM
Cindy in Salt Lake said:
"I respect and admire him for his duty to this country but Americans are not waiting for another American war president."
Speak for yourself please.
Posted by: Rich | Mar 29, 2008 3:36:56 PM
JOHN KERRY NEVER PANDER HIMSELF AS A PATRIOT!
REAL HEROES NEVER DO!
Neither did Al Gore mentioned his Vietnam days compared to the cowering of Bush from Vietnam.
John Kerry let OTHERS brag about his service and patriotism. That is how the real heroes do things.
However, John McCain is getting UP THERE IN AGE; so may be that is his excuse for pandering his military experience of ALMOST TWO GENERATIONS AGO!
By drawing attention to his PAST military service OF ALMOST TWO GENERATIONS AGO, McCain is reminding those Americans not paying attention that McCain IS TOO OLD FOR THE PRESIDENCY of the United States!
Posted by: New Yorker | Mar 29, 2008 3:22:16 PM
Kevin,
Thank you for your biting, incisive commentary, sorry, repetition of loony left wing talking points. Unless you are not an American, Bush is your President too.
Nowhere in his comment did Paddy say that only a Republican is fit to be President. He said that Clinton and Obama are not fit to be President. You really need to stop projecting on other people.
Also, I would find it frightening to live in a society where people are locked up in prisons for thought crimes. How Orwellian. Is that what you are suggesting by sending Paddy to Alcatraz for his opinions?
Posted by: rudytbone | Mar 29, 2008 2:45:31 PM
Paddy, I have news for you. Bush murdered more than 4000 US soldiers and crippled another 50000+ US soldiers. And you have that idiot as your president. Stop lecturing to others that only a republican can be a president. People like you, supporting rightwing policies are criminals who need to be locked up in Alcatrez jails.
Posted by: kevin | Mar 29, 2008 2:37:15 PM
Has anyone actually WATCHED the Jeremiah Wright sermons?
5 days after 9-11 he was positively JOYFUL that we "got what was coming to us"
JOYFUL that 3,000 innocents (many of them African American!) were murdered in cold blood
And Obama kept going back- for 7 YEARS. With his CHILDREN
They will now grow up to hate this country. HATE it.
For this alone this man can never be President. NEVER
Posted by: MMP | Mar 29, 2008 2:13:39 PM
The Clintonites always tall us: look at the Rasmussen polls! So I did today, and they don't look good for Hillary:
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows Barack Obama with a six-point lead over Hillary Clinton in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. It’s Obama 48% Clinton 42%. This is Obama’s biggest lead since stories of his former Pastor became big news (see recent daily results).
Just before the Pastor story broke, Obama had an eight-point advantage over Clinton. His numbers fell dramatically for a few days until the Illinois Senator gave a much publicized speech on race and national unity. Following that speech, Obama’s numbers stabilized and he remained essentially even with Clinton for the past two weeks. With Obama gaining back his lead, it appears that the story about Pastor Wright may not have a lasting impact in the contest for the Democratic nomination. Or, at the very least, that the impact was negated by the furor over Clinton’s recent comments on Bosnia.
Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain now enjoys a bigger lead when matched against Hillary Clinton rather than Barack Obama. McCain leads Barack Obama 48% to 43% and leads Hillary Clinton 51% to 40%."
Posted by: Petra | Mar 29, 2008 2:07:45 PM
The difference between Kerry
and McCain is that the former
is a coward and traitor
while MCain is a patriotic hero.
Kerry committed treason when
he went to Paris to confer
with Vietnamese diplomats
while he was still in the Navy
reserve. His participation in
the Winter Soldier fraud and
his perjury before Congress
were cowardly.
Kerry has not and cannot
disprove the charges levied
by the Swift boaters.
It is necessary to keep these
matters in perspective.
History and their words an
conduct demonstrate that both
Obama and Clinton are unfit
to be President.
Posted by: Paddy | Mar 29, 2008 1:47:31 PM
There simply are none so blind as those who choose not to see; none so deaf as those who choose not to hear and certainly, none so dumb as those who follow the tinfoil hatted leftist loons' rhetoric, all the way to their detriment.
Posted by: Sue | Mar 29, 2008 1:46:17 PM
There simply are none so blind as those who choose not to see; none so deaf as those who choose not to hear and certainly, none so dumb as those who follow the tinfoil hatted leftist loons' rhetoric, all the way to their detriment.
Posted by: Sue | Mar 29, 2008 1:45:22 PM
No voters will be left behind.
Donna Brazile
Do you hear that DNC??
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | Mar 29, 2008 1:18:34 PM
jgaw - You sound like a very wise person. We need more people like you expressing their feelings about all of this chaos. I hope some of the younger generation will take heed to what you are saying. I'm a 63 soon to be 64 year old white woman and want the best for our generations coming up. Please keep on posting.
Posted by: C Good | Mar 29, 2008 1:06:25 PM
First of all, I am a Dem from FL. I want to say I respect and admire John McCain the man. Any American who does not is a fool. He gave a lot for his country and has honorably served it since he was 18 years old. Period.
I have looked forward to this election since 2004 when we should have won anyway. With our big victory in '06 I was sure America was regaining its senses.
Unfortunately the Democratic party has lost its senses. There is no other way to put it. Pelosi, Reid, Dean, etc have proven to be worse than anything I could have imagined the Republicans could dream of.
After manning the front lines in Palm Beach County myself in 2000 I believed that as Dems we truly did cherish the ideal that every vote counts. With Obama's insistence not to do ANYTHING to get my vote to count I am appalled.
I will not be donating my time, my money or my vote to any Democrat this year or possibly again. As I watch the vile rants against women and minorities I think what a fool I have been believing the Dems for my 30 adult years. We are the misogynists, we are the racists. And I don't like the WE part at all.
Ronald Reagan was a Democrat also. He said that he did not leave the Democratic Party, they left him. I did not understand what he meant. Now I do.
Posted by: ted | Mar 29, 2008 1:04:17 PM
Dogsoldier writes:
"Fight McCain and the republicans on ideas because if you belittle this man you lose more voters than you gain."
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None of the three blind mice HAS any ideas, beyond "winning" -- and avoiding any questioning of their imaginary "patriotism".
We know the "ideas" of the real Republicans: white (and male) supremacy, perma-war. The "ideas" of the Democratic "leadership": don't peeve off the Republicans.
Posted by: Navarro | Mar 29, 2008 12:43:34 PM
cba-I hope you are NOT a democrat. You can attack the war in Vietnam but NEVER the men who were ORDERED to fight that war that was started by DEMOCRATS (Kennedy)and expanded DEMOCRATS(Lyndon B.) Nor can you possibly win by attacking McCain for the service and the personal cost this good man has paid in the service of his Nation. Fight McCain and the republicans on ideas because if you belittle this man you lose more voters than you gain.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 29, 2008 12:26:39 PM
The difference between McCain and Kerry is that McCain actually deserved his medals.
Posted by: Saul Goode | Mar 29, 2008 11:54:16 AM
McCain medals are an honor for him ,but they will never bring peace to the middle east, I think the republicans needs a reality check. This is not a win or lose situation,there probably will always be aggression between nations,for as long as man exist;but war is not always the answer. So if republicans are trying to win the war on terror,well I guess America will be in Iraq for not just a 100 years but eternity.
Democrat for the White House
Posted by: merle7 | Mar 29, 2008 11:49:33 AM
Of course Dean the hipocrit (got a deferment from Vietnam b/c of his "bad back" then became a ski instructor) liar repeats the "100 years of war in Iraq" lie
Anyone with a brain and who isnt a scumbag liar (like dean, hillary and obama) knows McCain meant we need a long term presence in the middle east, as we have had in Korea, Europe and Japan
He specifically said he did not want US troops fighting or taking casualties for any longer.
But the facts never stopped a liar from lying did they? Ask Hillary, Bill and Barack "I never heard my pastor say G_D America" Obama
Posted by: MMP | Mar 29, 2008 11:46:07 AM
Isn't Dean calling the kettle black when he refers to McCain as an opportunist? He's trying to cast the illusion that opportunism isn't rampant in the Democratic race. What political hypocrisy! By the way, I'm not a McCain supporter, contrary to the impression I might be giving.
Posted by: katrina | Mar 29, 2008 11:41:38 AM
"In a time when Americans are getting and tired of war,"
Because war is optional, ya know. Obama will sit down with Al Queda and sing kum-ba-ya, and everything will go back to the way it was before 9-11...
USS Cole
Khobar Towers
Posted by: Fen | Mar 29, 2008 11:39:32 AM
I might listen to Dean and the rest of the Democratic "leadership" team if they had delivered on their promise to end the war after they gained the House majority. But they pooped their pants and expect us to believe they'll get 'r done if we elect their hand-picked candidate Obama. Well, I'm one Democrat that isn't buying it and if McCain wins maybe the Dems will have to figure out how to stop the war from a Congressional standpoint. As they should have done already!
Posted by: Sam | Mar 29, 2008 11:35:45 AM
SadStateOfAffairs, so you support the only candidate that said: "I have a million ideas. The country can't afford them all."
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 29, 2008 11:29:54 AM
Navarro,
Point taken. Problem is....Edwards is no longer a candidate.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | Mar 29, 2008 11:27:29 AM
Cindy in Salt Lake, you wrote: "Saddam Hussein was bluffing about WMDs, not towards the U.S., but towards Iran, to deter it from attacking Iraq again."
The only way to make Iran believe he had WMDs was to NOT provide the UN Security Council with the evidence that he no longer had WMDs. Saddam Hussein placed himself between the "rock and the hard place." He tried to have it both ways. Fortunately President Bush called Saddam Hussein's bluff.
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 29, 2008 11:27:25 AM
Sadstateofaffairs,
I agree with you. but I think is should be Hillary/Edwards
It is economics which are plaguing a great percent of my black brothers and sisters-and Hillary has the best solutions for that-and she can and will deliver-once they see their lot in life getting a little better-"the Haunting"
will not last for long, besides there are many young very qualified african american (aa) politicians coming up in the ranks right now-out there doing good works-learning-increasing their political resume' they will be ready and everyone will be proud.
One of the main problems I have with obama is I believe he was picked for the wrong reason-just as a spoiler to hillary. if he had been working so hard in and for the black community-more people would have known something about him. instead they are voting with-I don't have to know anything about him-he is a black man-and that is the wrong reason to vote.
This is almost like the oj thing-many blacks are voting for him just to see if they can put a black man in the white house-not stopping to think-what is he going to do once he is there.
Because if they were voting in their best interest-and paying attention they would be supporting Hillary.
they do not realize that obama is going to owe so many people if he gets into office-he will not get to the working people.
Obama said himself he was not ready to be president-I wish-he'd had the courage to stick with that
Obama not knowing what to do
beholding to all these people who are backing him (and I do believe they are all expecting something in return)
and the resistance he will get from the republicans=nothing done for the working people who blindly put him in office.
My prayer is that with this low time
while we wait for Pa.-People-(black and white, and others) will collect
themselves-stepback and look at the issues and see who has a plan that is going to benefit me. If the people left to vote would look at the issues and decide to vote their real interest
Hillary will come out on top.
(that is why the heads of the party are wanting her to quit now-because the argument they are giving makes no sense-
they do not care about the party-if they did they would be working to let all vote.-and if obama and his political resume' was on the up and up they would not need to fear something more would be uncovered to damage him.
They are the ones who are trying to fix this race-not Hillary.
I say Hillary/Edwards 08 because if edwards can along after hillary-I believe the working people will still have someone in the white house.
Posted by: jgaw | Mar 29, 2008 11:25:37 AM