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Clinton will say anything to anyone in any regional or ethnic accent to get elected.

I just hope she stays in the race all the way to the convention. Maybe if we're lucky, she'll run as an independent!

Dems attacking Dems, political correctness against uber political correctness is a beautiful thing.

Hillary has "Forrest Gump" syndrome.

She's been everywhere, done everything, and she's the hero of every story she tells.

The only difference is that when Tom Hanks went home to his wife and kids, he knew the difference between real life and fantasy.

There is an Obama protection shield out there in the media. I used to watch Countdown with Keith Olbermann nightly until he started the pro Obama and anti Clinton campaign. The piece he and Sheuster made up to link the passport breach to the Clintons was the last straw for me.

Sadly, I don't have a news show to watch anymore (started to watch Dobbs).

Keith Obamamann - the world person in the world!!!!!

Yes, call him the real name - Obamamann.

News Cat: The reason people make comments about how ridiculous liberals thinking is...is because it is ridiculous. No sensible, liberty loving person would espouse such socialistic, self-destructive, down-with-America nonsense.
Why do Senator Clinton's comments draw such fire? Because she is known for telling tall tales. She consistently tells blatant lies, and then lies about telling them. How can anyone believe even a single word out of her mouth? The only thing one can know about a person who lies, is that anything and everything they say is likely a lie.
It's about time Americans finally tell her and her disciples that lying is NOT okay. Isn't that what even little children are supposed to know?

Who knew Hillary Clinton would have more war stories than John McCain.

I heard Hillary was responsible for single-handedly winning World War II.

I suppose, the next thing they'll be saying, is that she was once a man, as well.

I served a tour on recruiting for the Marines in the late 80s and early 90s. At that time, and I assume it's probably still true today, the max age for an initial enlistment is 27 years old. Once you turn 28, unless you're an iron man competitor, the chance to be a Marine is nil. I wonder how close Mrs. Clinton was to that age cut-off? If she was intent on joining the recruiter knew that she would have to ship to either boot camp or officer candidate school pretty quickly. The quotas for female MOSs back in the 70's was probably very limited and required someone to committ to a boot camp report date that matched the time line of the final MOS. It is almost the universal experience that folks who are classified as "office traffic" (walk-ins)are the most difficult to recruit. The slang term for these OTs is "office trash." They often have serious medical, moral or mental disqualifications. There is also a sub-group that shows up "pre-sold" on what they want to do when they serve, in fact they are literally shopping for services. These are often older mid-20s types, bright and going no where fast. After you've popped their ballon and informed them that the Marines; 1. Kill people and 2. Won't train you to be brain surgeon, these OTs loose interest really quick when the hard reality of what serving actually means.

"Peasants" NewsCat? Sorry your Lordship us rabble will try to edjimicate ourselves and then maybe we can see your brilliance.
Putz.

God these comments are dumb. "Librul media" "Clinton News Network" "lies and liars" "their naked lust for power" Bark, bark, bark. Culture war conspiracy.

If it's a "democrat" it must be a) deceitful , b) obviously supported by 'librul' media and c) somehow worse than any all other politicians that currently serve, not to mention likely mentally deranged.

The amount of sheer conspiracy-minded thinking that is in any one of these posts makes me afraid that people use this same kind of "logical thinking" to apply to their vote.

Too many people can't even imagine anyone they oppose political can have a rationale human behavior. Instead it's all conspiracy-speak and turning normal behaviors into deviancies. (Geeze "naked lust for power?" why because a politician wants to get elected...and runs a campaign? A campaign where they extoles their virtures? Gosh, Katey, BAR THE DOOR.)

These posts are mostly the thinking of peasants who don't understand how the world works. Everything they don't understand gets attributed to either magical thinking or godlike powers.

For the record, would there *be* any record if someone just, on a whim, decided to walk into a recruiting office and the recruiter said "go away." Like that isn't even REMOTELY believable that people do things on a whim. Hell I've had an afternoon where I've imagined myself joining the military, that doesn't mean 10 years later I can "prove" (with documentary evidence) that I had such thoughts.

For god's sake, why can't something like "i thought about it" ever just be taken for face value?

Don't you remember her at Iwo Jima?

Well, perhaps this will all pale by comparison when the major networks give the American people some sample "sermons" of the Rev. Moon, the Unification Church cult leader who heavily finances conservative causes.

We sure don't hear much about his "monarch of America" religion, even though he funnels multiple millions into conservative coffers and is rather close to the Bush family.

This whole Dem Primary is cracking me up - you have CNN, the Clinton News Network in the tank for the Hillabeast and NBC/MSNBC in the can for the Obamasiah. Meanwhile, various Dems are finally finding out what it is like to have the MSM (or at least a part of it) working against them, sometimes fairly, sometimes not. I don't care for Obama's positions on most issues, but he comes across as at least relatively honest for a politician, and I do not get the feeling that he hates everyone who diagrees with him - obviously I'd never want to vote for him, but could imagine having a spirited debate over a couple of beers and being able to shake hands at the end. Hillary is frankly more towards the centre, but she is just such an atrocious escuse for a human being I wouldn't want to be in the same room with her. The MSM is finally exposing just a few of her serial lies and she is stunned that her loyal reporter footsoldiers a straying out of line. The Clintons' naked lust for power (and yes, they do come as a team, just as Bill promised back in '92) is just so incredibly repulsive. I don't doubt she's smart, but her lack of real values and worship of power should give pause to anyone concerned with individual liberties.

This makes me so bitter and angry when I read this. Hillary should know by now that it is the far left members of the Democratic Part -- people like me who read firedoglake and are secure in their gender identity -- that will have the ultimate say on who gets the nomination. If the angry, bitter leftists continue to use the Internet to let our reality based community speaks its mind, then there is surely the chance we may be heard instead of readily dismissed as fringe members of society.

Wow..and still nothing about McCain allegedly breaking his own sponsored campaign finance laws? And I thought McCain, at least according to people supporting the Bush campaign in 2000, had been a major collaborater with the North Vietnamese? And we don't even get to see clips of sermons from McCain's multiple ministers about his admitted adultery?

Why doesn't ABC just endorse the Republican candidate and get it over with. . .

So?? They were all volunteers....oops sorry, wrong thread.

I would have left my husband if he CHEATED on me for over 20 years too!!

They are looking at other statements? How about everything that has ever come out of her mouth for starters?

Ahh---get real. Another exaggerated rhetoric to gain votes. What stopped Hillary from enlisting? Certainly no physical problems---nor age was a factor. EVERY stop on Hillary's campaign consists of a story to appease the voters-----mostly LIES until she's caught.

My son is a Marine currently serving with the 3/2 in Iraq. I am so tired of all these liberals and lying politians trying to grab headlines at the expense of our military and the honorable people whom serve. Shame on them, and they would be well served to ask forgiveness from God (if they believe) and the Marines!!!!!!

I do not understand how come Clinton supporters are being so negative towards Obama. What did he do to deserve such negativity? He has ran a very very positive campaign. Think about how negative he could have gone. Compare his campaign to that of Clinton's. The negativity level isn't even close. So why can't Clinton supporters just accept that Obama has ran a fair campaign and realize that he has won this contest. We need everyone to pull together to beat John McCain. That is what is important. This is not just a "game." This is the future of our country at stake. John McCain is a warmonger who represents 4 more years of George W. Bush's failed policies in foreign policy, education, health care, and the economy. Isn't stopping 4 more years of Bush policy a bit more important than this petty political bickering? Let's look at the big picture. Clinton needs to do some real service for her country and drop out of this race. She cannot win.

Hillary's sniper fire is paled in comparison to Barack's racial divide problem now. He will never get past Rev. Wright not just because of what he said but because it did not come out until after the primaries. Two reverends on St. Louis's KMOX radio station just now not only defended the statements, but took them further. I hope a transcript will be available. He has huge problems with Florida and Michigan with "every should count." ABC's article(3/19) on the press conference in Chicago shows a continuous changing of the Rezko story. There is a transcript. The entire campaign has been built on him being above all this. His very core has been "Change."

To the Clinton blatthers on here...TRY to be truthful. I know it's hard when your leader lies like a rug but if your going to trhow things at Obama then try, for the sake of the adults in here looking for debate, to be truthful.
Oh and by the way? Obama's drug use was anything BUT extensive LOL as evidenced by the "facts:..(remember those pesky things that get in the way of the Clinton machine) and he was honest about it.

BOTH Clintons lie. Proven fact. NO ONE can trust anything they say. Great atricles out there on the net from people much better at expressing their views but one of the things I read today sticks with me. She lied when she did not have too, she lied to make herself look better and when caught, she extended the lie. That goes beyound a lie of omisssion and beyound "a little tired" or even jet lagged. She lied to the American people about her experience and answering that phone at 3 a.m

I don't know what is or isn't true when it comes to this story, or any of the other recent pieces on Hillary, and, in most cases, there is no way we'll ever know.

But, I'm curious, why is it all you guys in the media are just now starting to look in to stories that were first uncovered either during the 1992 election or the 8 years of the Clinton administration? Why weren't the stories relevant when she ran for the Senate?

I know it's hard for a lot of readers of this blog to believe, but these stories have been out there, and well documented , for 15 years or more. But all that had to be said when a question was raised is that it's part of a "vast right wing conspiracy". Guess what. It's not vast. It's not entirely right wing. And it's not a conspiracy. What it is is an honest review of this woman's record.

Every day a "new" story comes out, and yet none of it is new. Sorry ABC, but your staff has known about these things for years, but chose not to report it. If you want to look at political motives for the information coming out now, maybe you need to look inside your own house.

Ok, Obama said that he had heard some controversial statements at the church, but he was not present on the day of those EXTREMELY controversial comments. That equals no lie. He listed EVERYTHING about Rezko - nothing really to find. The people who are wanting to dig into his past teenage drug use are pathetic. Why don't you just admit you don't want to vote for him and be done - do you really feel the need to have a person ripped apart for everything to feel better about your decision? Imagine your personal life on display in every detail...probably wouldn't be so pretty, would it? Also, it seems the only dirt they can dig up on him is about people who surround him (NOT OBAMA HIMSELF) - and don't think for a minute people haven't been looking!

Now, my problem with Hillary and the Clintons in general is that they evade, manipulate and twist the truth when it suits their needs - too many examples to count... "it depends on what your version of "it" is".

I don't expect politicians to be honest, but they are so flagrant in their lies, their abuse of power and their sense of entitlement that I just want to barf. There is no substance there at all - just an opportunist who has ridden her husband's coat tails as far as she could. I feel like I need to take a shower every time I hear either of them speak any more - and I didn't feel this way about Bill in the beginning. I will admit that Hillary is a brilliant woman with incredible ideas and plans, that sadly would never get passed because she is missing the interpersonal skills necessary to make these ideas a reality. She knows the power of "I" very well, she must have been sleeping when they taught about the power of "we".

BlogMoses: in regard to your perception of Obama as being a saint - a quote from Cynthia Canary, an Illinois activist against political corruption: "...Yet she also thinks America is being done a disservice by those who portray Obama as somehow above the uglier wheeler-dealing of politics. “He’s a pragmatic politician, and in the end if you think that he’s superman, your heart is going to get broken.”

I suppose it's difficult to scrutinize Obama's "record" when little has been released.

What else can the press do to dig up supposed dirt on Hillary while Obama sunbathes.

Do republicans embellish war zone and military experience or just democrats?
Seared Cambodia memory, Sniper fire in Bosnia, the tall tales seem to go on and on.

Jake you ask "why not?"

Because it is an outright LIE. That's why. She has hated the Marines since a run in she had with some as a college protester. She even vowed that she would one day be in a position to abolish the Marine Corps. She is still trying to look tough. Pathetic.

-Former Marine SGT H.

The real story is that Hillary made those remarks for months. She really dresses the Bosnia remarks up on March 17th. Perhaps, the media was distracted by the gosh awful green scarf. The media did not pick up this story until the vid was put on online and went viral.
Does the truth matter to the media?
Does the truth matter to the American people?

Bush lied about Iraq. 4,000 dead soldiers.

Hillary lies. How many will die?

The Bosnia story is also laughable. Sinbad, I believe, is also a military veteran. I think he would remember a landing in a hot LZ with snipers. Are we to believe that the little girl with the poem is such a hardened combat veteran that she wasn't scared while Hillary ran for cover? Well, let me think, maybe Hillary was scared and the others were not. Not exactly the one you want answering that 3 am phone call now is she?

What a bunch of BS. I was in my 4th year in the USAF in 1975. At that time with the end of the Vietnam war they would have taken anybody. If she couldn't get in the Marines, she could have easily joined the AF or the National Guard. Another pol lying that they couldn't get in to soothe their conscience because they didn't do the right thing back then, now that they are in political races. Don't insult our intelligence Senator!

The problem is that she embellishes and tells so many fake stories, that her credibility is just shot. Of course, you people on here who rant and rave about what stories SHOULD be followed, are missing the bigger point about Senator Clinton's tall tales...

I KEEP ASKING MYSELF....."WHY IS IT NEWS THAT HILARY WILL SAY ANYTHING... ANYTHING, ANYTHING, ANYTHING... TO GET ELECTED.

AND YES... THAT MEANS SHE HAS LIED... A LOT. AND... SHE WILL LIE AGAIN.

THE PART THAT I CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND IS: WHY IS THAT PERMITTED BY HER SUPPORTERS?

ARE THEY FINE WITH THE FACT THAT SHE LIES A LOT?

OR ... ARE THE LIERS TOO... AND IT MAKES IT EASY FOR THEM TO EXCUSE IT BECAUSE HRC LIES...

A LOT!

If she didn't have to exaggerate, then why did she? Force of habit?

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

DWC Said:
"I'm so tired of everything being put under a microscope that isn't important, and things that should be scrutinized are not."

Exactly my feelings about the Rev. Wright controversy, though I wouldn't so much describe it as being put under a microscope as endlessly beating to death a few snippets and ignoring 30+ years of ministry.

You can't have it both ways, though. Expecting the Obama campaign to "get to the issues" while the Clinton camp continues to "kitchen sink" the campaign. Let's see both campaigns get to the issues!

I can't wait for the next round of debates -- oh, wait, the candidate who said she wanted more debates is hedging on the North Carolina debate!!!!

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

Why media does not try to look into Obama's past? for example his pastor, relationship with Rezno. Media is try to paint senator Clinton.

Clinton really did not have to exagerate because she really does have more Foreign relations experience than Obama - what with longer experience in the senate and foregin services committee. On the other hand, you have Obama, who downplayed his association with Wright. In my book, no one got hurt with Clinton's "mis-statements", while we'll never know the consequences of the hate-filled sermons of Wright imparted to the youth of his church and the aftermath of so-called real conversation about race issue.

The Clinton campaign attacked Obama today for not releasing past tax returns...

At the exact moment, Obama released his past tax return.

Where are yours Hillary???

Where are your earmarks???

Where are the records of funders to the Clinton library???

Why the lies of Bosnia and North Ireland???

Why lie about your position on NAFTA???

Why can't you admit your mistake on voting for the Iraqi War???

Hillar WILL NEVER get my VOTE

You'd have to find out what the basic requirements for the Marine Corps were back in 1975, but I expect they had age and vision requirements back then, even for someone wanting to serve as a lawyer in Arkansas.

The media is deliberately leaving off of the bosnia story that Hillary left on a blackhawk to visit 2 outer barracks in hostile terrority alone without sinbad. Then made it back to do the USO show.

Who hasn't at some time done some embellishment when telling a story! Do you suppose reporters ever do that, hmmmm...Like all of the headlines over the past few months that said Bill Clinton attacked or lashed out at reporters, when all he actually did was present his opinion. I'm so tired of everything being put under a microscope that isn't important, and things that should be scrutinized are not. And who the hell cares if she walked into a recruiting station when she was 27 or not! I'm sure Obama doesn't want to go down that road either. Who cares if Clinton embellished her Bosnia story. The point is she was there, and it was a war zone. At least she went. Maybe she felt like running to the vehicle, I would have. I'm sure Obama has embellished a few things in his very short career so far as well. I don't compare this incident to sitting in a church spewing hateful comments for 20 years, let's just put it that way.

The reality is, Hillary's trustworthiness is a legitimate issue based on her PUBLIC RECORD (at least those portions of it that she will release). Is pointing out her tendency to say whoppers a character attack? I sincerely hope so.

Since ABC is running low on political stories, here are a few ideas.
- Try to crack open the secrets behind Clinton's financial records.
- An even easier story would be a correct accounting of the Texas delegate count after including the caucuses (Obama 99 - Clinton 94) OBAMA WINS TEXAS.
- How about some analysis concerning why Clinton does so well in ballot primaries and Obama does so well caucuses.

Toby, good point. After the speech, reporters noted that Obama was doing a "preemptive strike" by saying (in the speech) that he had been in church when incendiary things were said, in case there should ever be photos. They never acknowledged that he had lied about this on all of the networks the previous Friday. Unbelievable.

The other thing that's already been found is Hillary claiming she was the first high profile American in Bosnia after the the peace accord was signed.

Too bad she forgot somebody by the name of Bill Clinton beat her by 2 weeks.

As I said, Jake, entertainment value.

In the dull period between the primaries, the news services have to dig because they need eyeballs on screens. Any tidbit that can be spun up into a story will be exploited to that end. It is the fact that Jake spends more time digging into Clinton than her competitors that outs his preferences. It's ok. He is an advocacy journalist for ABC News. I suspect it means ABC owners have skinny in the outcome of the Democratic nomination. Would they rather have a candidate with experience and fewer missteps, therefore less eyeball bait, or some one who will be controversial on day one and on day last?

Jake isn't working on the campaign to inform. He is looking for the lead-in for Charlie Gibson. And that IS his job. When opportunities get thin, he'll look a bit desperate. When opportunities become rife, he'll have to scramble against Brian Ross. Such is the nature of the job when news and entertainment are conflated.

In TX, Obama won caucus by 10%, but was defeated in popular vote by 4%.
In WA, Obama won caucus by a stunning 37%, but only won 5% in popluar vote.

Now, will you guys change the general election to caucus? Yes, you can?

What does the number tell us? If we transfer all the caucuses to primaries based the data from TX and WA, Obama would be defeated by Clinton in popular votes with a large margin.

Conclusion? Obama has zero chance winning general election. Senator Obama, please bow off right now before you hurt the democratic party too much.

Hey Jake
still waiting for you to go over obama's statement made from the night of march 14 when he lied to 4 major news show.(Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC) He said he was never there when wright went anti-american.

So now lying to the American people is a "minor blip"??? Like the "minor blip" of Iraq having Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)?

Come on people stop trying to ignore this....

Obama is the President we can trust!

Toby: and if they ever did take time to find discrepancies and lies in things Obama has said, they would knock themselves out making excuses for him and interpreting. Geez.. Obama really doesn't have to spend any money on campaign staff, he's got the media working for him.

Cappamore
Why didnt Oblermann tear into obama for lying to him on friday then he comes out with a speech to tell the truth.
This just shows the media bias for obama he lied on 4 shows after the wright stuff broke. But not one headline to that effect.

Sara
they will never touch obama's words only the Clintons words.

What is this ridiculous stuff from Clinton's personal narrative from 30 years ago? Man, it's enough to get one to vote for her strictly on the unfair treatment she's getting from the same media that brought us 'you know who'!
What about the relevant story about Obama's wife's incredible salary raise and her husbands earmarks to her employer? Or, the Tiffany purchase from their campaign funds?

Something is very wrong when reporters are poring over Clinton and Obama's past words for anything that isn't quite right. Meanwhile, the Bush administration governed through lies and deception, even deceiving us into a war that has now cost 4,000 U.S. lives. Where was the media then? Bush must be loving the media casting its nets for these minnows when his whopper lies got him 2 terms.

As Hillarly Clinton's statements become more bizarre and out of touch with running for office, maybe we should go back and check out her life a bit better.
Concentrating on how to twist the arms of delegates doesn't prove (or disprove) her qualification for high public office. Trashing others constantly doesn't give us even a glimpse into her "policies" other than display poor public behavior.

Well, in 1975, the Vietnam War was fully over, so no danger of sniper fire there! Good, I guess, that her zeal for public service didn't kick in a few years earlier, say in 1968 when she could have helped during the Tet Offensive!!! She could have dodged bullets with Bob Hope!!!

If she'd given up Bill for the Corps, she wouldn't be running for President now!

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

Keith Obamamann went into a rage about this stuff last night ranting (nearly screaming)that Clinton should be 100% right on these things if she's running on her experience.

OK - so is Obama 100% proven in the areas that he's running on??

Judgement:like having a friend like Rezko for 17 years and engaging in boneheaded real estate deal with him?

Change - like the kind of change he did not try to bring about in his segregationist church?

And oh so much more..

hehehe....I like that...so If there is proof that there was a threat of sniper fire...warning...before they got off the plane...does that then mean she has experience?

Yes. it is time we looked into the past. For examplr Obama's admitted extensive drug use.