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Keystone Democrats Set to Defect
March 21, 2008 10:06 AM
In the new Franklin & Marshall College Poll (read it HERE) some good news for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and some troubling news for Democrats.
Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, 51% to 35% -- increasing her lead from February, when she was up 44% to 37%. She leads among young voters, wealthier voters...voters in virtually every demographic group, with the exceptions of Philly voters and non-whites.
In a sign of just how divisive and ugly the Democratic fight has gotten, only 53% of Clinton voters say they'll vote for Obama should he become the nominee. Nineteen percent say they'll go for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and 13% say they won't vote.
Sixty percent of Obama voters say they'll go for Clinton should she win the nomination, with 20% opting for McCain, and three percent saying they won't vote.
Grim.
- jpt
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If Obama is nominated I will vote republican for sure as numerous Democrats I have spoken to.
Posted by: al sammarco | May 9, 2008 8:38:29 AM
I’m an independent voter for Clinton, she may only have 4 more years in the senate, but she does have good experience as a First Lady and REAL SOLUTIONS with SPECIFICS, not just TALK and Obama’s platform of VAGUE "CHANGE."
Obama the whole campaign has maintained a "holier than thou" attitude-and every, calamity in his campaign, he takes NO responsibility for. When Clinton calls him on these legit issues, he is smug and labels Hillary "negative" and “old style politics.”
Obama has given Florida, Michigan and democracy the finger, disenfranchising millions by refusing a revote-yet he preaches to be the righteous candidate of change (he wanted to seat those delegates before he lost!).
Barack claims to be a uniter, with a diverse coalition. His pastor of 20+ years that showed him his religion is the most ANTI-AMERICAN bigot ever. Out of all the churches…he willingly chose to listen to Reverend Wright rant about how he hates all sorts of ethnic groups and America.
Voting was a hard choice. McCain is a man of integrity and character, someone who does what he believes is right. He’s a true American hero, came out of a working class military family and worked his way up to commanding thousands in the Navy.
McCain is a moderate who he reaches across party lines frequently taking unpopular positions even if it might be political suicide –a true uniter.
He may not believe the Iraq War isn’t a lost cause like I do, but I can respect the fact he doesn’t want a genocide to occur in the region, a power vacuum situation, or the new democratic Iraq to be up in smokes after 7 years of commitment-maybe we should wait till Iraq’s on its feet before we leave..
Im voting McCain in the general.
Posted by: Lancaster | Mar 29, 2008 1:18:57 AM
Barack Obama & Rev. Jeramiah Wright are racists.
No friggin way me nor my family will vote for Obama if he wins the nomination.
I WILL BE VOTING FOR JOHN MCCAIN.
(If Hillary loses nomination & McCain wins the White House, she can try again in 4 years)
Posted by: Jim | Mar 25, 2008 6:38:06 PM
I believe that if the republicans continue to hold the presidency we are all in trouble. I am a supporter of Obama, but if Hillary gets the nomination then I will support her, because the party comes first. Some people are suggesting they would change party lines and vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination and to me that is stupid. Basically you would cut off your nose to spite your face and that is just crazy. We live and die as a party. I dont believe America can take 4 more years of the Republicans. Even if the Democratic Party seems to be falling apart, we as Democrats have got to stay focused on the bigger picture, which is to gain control of the Presidency.
Posted by: Kim | Mar 25, 2008 1:31:16 PM
I am one of those Clinton supporters who will NOT be voting for Barak Obama if he is the nominee, I will cross over and for the first time EVER I will vote Republican for John McCain.
Why?
Because I don't trust Obama, he is too inexperienced for this job.
I just hope that Hillary wins the nomination.
Posted by: Maddie | Mar 24, 2008 11:44:34 PM
As a democrat in Florida I am appalled at the DNC, and Barack. Where did all that talk back in 2000 go? What about all votes should count. Obviously, Barack does not what Florida or Michegan to count because he would loose badly. He would easily loose the pop. vote and probably the pledged delegate lead also. None the less, Barack has taken his ball and went home with 2:00 on the clock. I have the change of party affiliation in my hand and ready to mail. I can never be part of a party which nominates un-American candidates. I will vote for Hillary, but I cannot vote for Barack. If it comes down to that, this new independent will grit his teeth and fill in the circle next to a true American-John McCain.
Posted by: Joe | Mar 24, 2008 4:55:08 PM
Obama's quiet acquiescence of sexism, and his undermining of a fair vote in both Florida and Michigan have totally turned me off.
I am a PA voter who has lost all respect for him. I never hear him speaking of a unified Democratic party - because, indeed, he cannot unify the party.
For me, it's Hillary in the PA primary and I don't know exactly what in the fall - but not Obama.
Posted by: sas | Mar 24, 2008 10:28:21 AM
Are the voters in PA familar with the years of scandals Senator Clinton has been involved. Do they know that she was, according to her released schedules, in the White House when President Clinton was having sex with Monica Lewinsky? How could the PA voters ever trust her? As a Christian, it'd be against my conscience to vote for her.
Posted by: bilbo983 | Mar 24, 2008 6:42:28 AM
Regardless of what happens, the Democratic Party will see its demise. As a Hillary supporter, I will defect and vote for McCain if Obama is nominated. And, I am certain that if Hillary were to get the nomination, Obama supporters will protest, some by not voting, others by voting McCain, others still by trying to start a revolution no doubt. But, I guess this is the final by-product of the Democrats' political correctness, identity politics, voter disenfranchisement in Michigan and Florida, and consistent stupidity in running national campaigns...we deserve it.
Posted by: SEB | Mar 23, 2008 11:48:45 AM
I think that if Hilary Clinton wins the nomination we will have a quick return to the scandals of yesteryear. The Clintons have already shown they have no dignity and will do or say anything to win. I expect a whole new wave of hidden treacheries to emerge when/if she is the nominee. I believe that is why the Republicans are attacking Senator Obama now, to make their job easier in November. Consider this, "If her husband loves this country so much he should of spent his time chasing Al Qaida opposed to chasing women."
Posted by: Sandy | Mar 23, 2008 11:25:03 AM
I have a question for those who are totally enamored with Sen. Obama...the hope for America...the great peace maker...and the uniter. How can we expect this gifted man to spread hope and peace throughout America and the world and unify the American people when he can't even unify the Democratic Party? He can't even unify people with whom he has a common ideology!
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 23, 2008 7:57:43 AM
The Politically astute and truly informed are using the Wright issue as a weapon against the closed minded, gullible and uninformed masses.
Its kind of sad, but this kind of tactic is almost foolproof as a political weapon.
Those that understand this method of politics but disagree ideologically with Obama are laughing at the ones that fall for this kind of tactic over and over again.
It is time tested, and almost always works because you can't change human nature.
Now don't worry, there is a simple test for this: If you are angered and offended by the previous statement, than the joke is on you.
Posted by: truth serum | Mar 23, 2008 3:40:22 AM
Bruce, I'm with you. What I've seen in this primary has tempted me to split permanently from the Democratic party. The ugliness and the complete lack of leadership from the top of the party are appalling. Like you, I'd probably be better off under McCain, personally, and it's only my liberalism and sense of social justice that keeps me voting Democrat. Or ... did ...
Posted by: Heather | Mar 22, 2008 5:58:09 PM
"The General is decided by the quiet ones in the middle, the people who only care about issue like: the economy, the war, homeland security, education and kitchen table issues etc."
I didn't see faith anywhere in your list. Faith was a major issue for 'the quiet ones' in 2004. How does Obama talk about his faith now? His church says 'We are an African People' (not African-American, but African people). His church espouses the 'Black Value System' and black nationalism. Not American nationalism, black nationalism.
Posted by: whoframedrudy | Mar 22, 2008 5:15:36 PM
Obama and his media handlers have really played the race and religion thing out. Im not surpirsed no ones buying his lectures at this point. Had enough of religious politicians for at least a decade.
Posted by: hhkeller | Mar 22, 2008 3:59:14 PM
I have watched the debates. All I keep hearing out of Obama's mouth is "what Hillary" said. If he could come up with ideas of his own I might give hime a little respect.
He lost any respect I had for him when he played the race card in South Carolina. I knew it ruined any hope in Georgia too as I sat in my mother-in-law's kitchen in Savannah. I was very saddened by his negativity towards the Clintons, who have promotede civil rights.
As a disabled veteran who uses the VA I have to give Obama a big fat raspberry...he says he supports full funding for the VA...then why won't he sign a resolution supporting it at www.offe2008.org. Senators Clinton and Schumer have signed. Many local elected officials in Illinois signed on with us (I am the Kansas Director for Operation Firing for Effect). The resolution even passed in IL on February 5, 2008. Where was Obama? Absent as ususal!
I do not think he has handle on Foreign Policy either. He has the likes of Susan rice and Anthony Lake; both were dismal failures in the Clinton Administration. I do not see that changing. Then the now-resigned, Samantha Powers, gets on foreign tv and say Hillary is a monster. Then the next time I hear her she says Obama will not use the plans for troop withdrawal he suggests in candidacy. Need I mention Brezinski who is qute anti-Israel.
Now to top things off Michelle Obama basically said she would not vote for Hillary. She actually said I do not like her tone, etc...
No I will not vote for Obama. We leave ourselves open to more attacks because he says he will go talk to Castro, etc...Now I read he feels we should also talk to Hamas despite Powers words in that interview in Britain.
Anyone got milk?
Posted by: navyvet48 | Mar 22, 2008 3:17:19 PM
Derrick - can you send me that quote with Obama calling his grandmother a "biggot"? That's news to me, and I heard his speech. You must not have been too serious of an Obama supporter to be wavered by this ploy.
And Cognitive Dissonance, how do you have such remarkable insight into a future Obama cabinet? Obama has more than demonstrated the capacity to put together a program that will work for the US economy. He was never supposed to be where he is today. The only way McCain will be elected is if he sells out every independent and free thinking bone in his body (which he began early on in his campaign) and embraces the Bush doctrine of failed economic policy.
Posted by: JM | Mar 22, 2008 3:00:40 PM
I don't understand the hate between the Obama supporters and the Clinton supporters. Their policies are close and no sane person really belives all the other issues on race, religion orleadership. When people go into the voting booth, I hope they'll choose their candidate based upon the important issues of jobs, Iraq war and energy independence.
Posted by: Mike | Mar 22, 2008 2:56:47 PM
As much as Obama tries to make it so, race is not the issue. We are tired of being called Archie Bunker's by him simply because we don't overwhelmingly coronate him. It's really simple, folks. Obama is NOT qualified to be president. He hasn't yet proved that he's qualified to even be a Senator, as he hasn't done anything yet.
We are right this minute facing the worse finanacial meltdown since the Great Depression. It is guaranteed that George Bush will do very little to stop it, except continue to tell us the underlying fundamentals are sound. No real economist agrees with him. Obama quite frankly would be a disaster under these circumstances. He has made it glaringly obvious that he doesn't have a clue about the economy. Nor do I trust his obvious poor judgment in choosing staff that will have a clue. If it comes to a choice between Obama and McCain, you can bet that it will be an easy choice, I'll vote McCain. I've been a life-long democrat, but my country comes first. With Obama, we'll see the soup lines again and Hoovervilles everywhere.
Posted by: CognitiveDissonance | Mar 22, 2008 2:33:03 PM
As a former Obam supporter, Obama is nothing more than a bigot. he gave tens of thousands of dollars to Wright to help him spew his hate speech. Obama even called his white grandmother (who raised him) a bigot, but he loves Wright even more.
Obama is a disgrace and he should cease his campaign. If HUSSEIN Obama is the Dem nominee, I will vote for McCain, a moderate and candidate which both sides love.
Posted by: Derrick | Mar 22, 2008 2:28:36 PM
Clare Bee, you are victim of the misinformation campaign.
Obama did not LIE. You are right that last Saturday he said he was not in the pews...when Wright said what was being played over and over on the idiot box (God damn America, etc.). His schedule has corrobated that - he was in Miami that day. What he said on Tuesday was that he has been present when he has heard Wright say things that he did not agree with, just as Oprah has and 8,500 other members of this congregation. Learn a little more about Wright's former church and you will realize why it would have been poor judgement for Obama not to attend that church. But if your information sources are limited to FOX news and Clear Channel Media, good luck...
Good comments Truth Serum!
Posted by: JM | Mar 22, 2008 2:23:00 PM
obama and his team brought race into the picture. now when his bad judgement is exposed he hollers race when he is called on it. there are many black congressmen and women who have helped this country and have good judgement and would have no problem being elected. i am a typical white grandmother who would vote for the person that helps this country. that is not obama
Posted by: helen | Mar 22, 2008 2:06:19 PM
Just wanted to point out that Obama was forced to make this speech because he was found out! He was doing damage control!
Many have forgotten that he lied to all of us last saturday when he went to all the tv stations saying that he was not in the pews when the Rev. was having these rants. On Monday he admitted that he was!!
How does this square with his campaign slogan of having superior judgment and character? And this is not the first time that he lied. On the same day he also admitted that Rezko has actually given him $250,000 or more for all of his campaigns which span 11 years!! He claimed that his contact with Rezko (that individual, remember? he could not even name him during the SC debate) was only for 5 billable hours!!
He thinks we have a short memory. He is not really a new kind of politician. He is more of the same, a product of the rough and tumble chicago politics he was bragging about.
If he is the Dem candidate, he will be slaughtered by the republicans in November.
I would have had more respect for him if he made this much advertised speech about race at the time of the SC primary when there was so much bitterness about race baiting hurled by the obama campaign against the Clintons and their surrogates.
Now, it’s too late. He is just trying to salvage his campaign. He is damaged goods.
I don't think many of us will forget his lies.
I can never vote for Obama in Nov. if he's the nominee because he will surely lose. I will write in Hillary's name or vote for McCain.
Posted by: Clare Bee | Mar 22, 2008 1:01:27 PM
I truly hope you are right Kadee.
Posted by: truth serum | Mar 22, 2008 1:00:00 PM
People like us we have deep concerns about politics, so much so we take time out of our busy day to blog on the Internet. Some political experts call us the "Shouters". The problem is we don't decide the General Election. The General is decided by the quiet ones in the middle, the people who only care about issue like: the economy, the war, homeland security, education and kitchen table issues etc. they will decide our next president long after all these controversies are over.
Posted by: Kadee | Mar 22, 2008 12:57:28 PM
Its truly amazing how paper thin Obamas support was with some Dems.
The American people are once again demonstrating how truly gullible they are to a few bits of strategically placed bits of useless information.
IF YOU HAVE EVEN A SHRED OF COMMON SENSE LEFT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT OBAMA DOES NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE.
His closest friends growing up were white. The vast majority of his senior staff is mostly if not all white.
HIS OWN MOTHER IS WHITE!!
Please get over your pent up fear and prejudice and see the truth people.
Vote on the issues and do not let this political smoke screen cloud your judgement.
Posted by: truth serum | Mar 22, 2008 12:48:13 PM
k wrote that we need to see the promise of Hillarys Presidency.
Who promised it? There is no promise.
So many here seem to know who "The Nation" is going to vote for.
I predict more democrats are sickened by Hillary then by Wright. I know I am. I can't stand to look at her picture or hear her words. I am disgusted. If those who promised the nomination to her can actually keep their promise I will vote for Nader.
So I predict that Obama will be our next President and McCain can answer to the residents of Arizona why he has missed so many votes in the Senate.
Posted by: Anna | Mar 22, 2008 12:44:59 PM
K -
Deal. And that is the way this needs to work. Hillary is incredibly smart and talented. Sure, she is still in it. I do have issues with her integrity, tactics, and the fact that her husband's administration, pursuing a very moderate agenda, was so polarizing over the course of two terms. Hillary has a reputation on the Hill as being difficult to work with. But how many of those concerns are legitimate, and how many are the result of being influenced by this incredibly negative environment that the media and divisive types are perpetuating? But I can deal with this, and while I struggle a bit with the thought now, know good and well that either Obama or Clinton are huge improvements over McCain, Bush and the damage they have brought to America. So, K, the deal is on. At the very least, let's preserve our hope for this country above the misinformation campaigns being spun by those that fear progress and honest discussions about the difficult issues of the day.
Posted by: JM | Mar 22, 2008 12:28:28 PM
Mr. Tapper,
I usually never read posts or write posts, but the current environment has convinced me I had to voice my opinion.
I am a Penn. resident and I will be voting for Hillary Clinton.
I don't make a lot of money, we try to save for our children, pay our bills on time and hope we don't lose our house.
But in spite of all this we don't "DAMN AMERICA", we don't live paycheck to pay
check, but we struggle to keep our heads above water every month. But we LOVE THIS COUNTRY...in spite of all our struggles.
I can't vote for Obama, with his wife who declared she was "finally proud of america", and his "anti-america" preacher.
I will vote for Mccain if Obama is the democatic nominee. With Mccain I don't get the sense of arrogance, but rather humbleness, I see that he has long served this country, and they seem like they are good people, he and his wife even adopted 2 orphans from Bangladesh.
While many in my neighborhood struggle, I hear Michelle Obama claim "we are struggling to have piano and dance lessons for our kids, which cost 10K"...
Many of us are us struggling, working hard to provide for families...and then we hear this Michelle's "FINALLY PROUD OF AMERICA FIRST TIME IN HER ADULT LIKE"
How are we supposed to overlook this arrogance, anti-america statements by Obama, his wife and his preacher of 20+ years??
Mr. Tapper,
I and my family will be voting for HIllary in Penn., however if the democratic party nominates Obama, THIS 3 GENERATION DEMOCRAT AND HIS FAMILY WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN... WE DID NOT LEAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS LEFT US!
Thank you.
Posted by: former democrat | Mar 22, 2008 11:29:11 AM
I have enough money that I really don't need to defend the Democratic Party and it's neediest members. I have an Ivy League education, I have health insurance, I don't care about children and their education anymore, the Republican tax cuts actually help me, I fought against one war so it's your turn now and if your children die in it then so be it. You have dug your own grave. I am tired of your bickering and childishness.
Have a good life and most of all: GOOD LUCK because you and your children will need it. You are blowing the political opportunity of a lifetime. It will be fun to see the next Supreme Court.
Posted by: Bruce | Mar 22, 2008 11:27:30 AM
The fact is that most "typical white" American voters will tell you that they are not going to vote for Senator Obama because he attended a congregation that damned America. "America" is not a concept. Many of us see ourselves as "America." That is why so many who love this nation were vulnerable to an unprovoked war on an innocent nation. Whether you like the dynamics of Americans or not, if you are in a campaign to lead them you are ill advised to associate yourself with someone whose speeches invoke God's damnation.
Posted by: beebopareebop | Mar 22, 2008 11:23:36 AM
How hypocritical of Richardson to at one time say that Superdelegates should vote the way their constituents have voted and then ignore the results of his own state. Same with Kerry and Kennedy. Could they be any more ridiculous? I'll never forget that hokey salute Kerry did at the beginning of the Democratic convention. I knew we would lose then. Al Gore, where are you?
Posted by: glennmcgahee | Mar 22, 2008 10:58:32 AM
On my World War II Grandfather's grave I would never vote for Obama. The last straw is when he threw his GrandMother under the bus!! I will vote for McCain if Obama is the Nominee.
Posted by: Fae | Mar 22, 2008 10:39:06 AM
Hey JM:
Make a deal with you: We Clinton supporters will attempt to "see the promise" of Obama, even given the bad stuff we've seen lately, if you Obama supporters give Hillary her due and admit to seeing the promise of her Presidency. Because she's just as inspiring, and every bit as (I would say even more) presidential than Obama is. For the last six weeks the Obama camp has been strutting around like they own the nomination - and they don't. Because guess what? They've got to convince us he's worth a vote IF he gets the nom, and he's been acting like he can say anything he wants, that he's in no matter what. Meanwhile, Hillary has been going to African American audiences over the last few weeks and with humility extending an olive branch. She's still acting like she needs to EARN the nomination. So you admit she's still in it, and she shows promise too, and I'll do the same toward Obama. But it's got to go both ways. Deal?
Posted by: K | Mar 22, 2008 7:07:21 AM
C'mon haters - is this really how low we have become? The only person that has had it right is Rush Limbaugh, in arguing that extending the nomination fight for the democrats would mean we would tear one another to shreds. Right out of the Rovian playbook...the Republicans cannot win by virtue of their merits, but only if we democrats look worse than they do (and we'll certainly take care of that if this forum is any kind of indication!).
I have a Limbaugh loving mother and a Bush backing father who have even defended Obama over the past week. What the hell is up with the rest of you? Pull your heads out! Cause right now ("SO"), yes, you are looking pretty darn G-U-L-L-I-B-L-E. Anyone too thick to see the promise of an Obama presidency should really look within (and turn off their cable TV). If he is not qualified by virtue of his many talents, WHO is?
Posted by: JM | Mar 22, 2008 2:59:34 AM
I'm telling my friends that I'm voting for Obama but I'm really secretly voting for McCain.
Posted by: Milch Holstein | Mar 22, 2008 2:42:51 AM
I am a BLACK Democrat and I will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.
Obama is nothing more than a bigot and I assure most blacks despise Wright and Obama for being bigots.
If Obama is the nominee, I will vote for McCain, who is a modeate (and a true uniter) and a war hero like John Kerry.
Posted by: Tom | Mar 22, 2008 2:00:20 AM
Contrary to a previous post -- I think the SDs will throw anyone under the bus if they feel strongly he cannot win the general election. Do you really think they want to lose the White House yet again? The Rev. Wright and Rezko connections are not going to "die down" by a long shot. The radio airwaves and cable news stations have a hold of it and aren't going to let go -- and rightfully so. If it were any other candidate -- do you think it would "die down"? I read more and more blogs with people posting who say they regretted their vote for Obama -- the fault of the media for not vetting him sooner. Clearly if this "G*d Damn America" and "typical white person" stuff had been revealed before super duper Tuesday, Obama would long ago have been toast.
Posted by: Ann | Mar 22, 2008 1:08:01 AM
An ineffective Governor endorses an ineffective Senator. Yet another politician who owes his rise to the Clintons turns his back on them now, when they need him most. It appears that Obama is trying to court the Latino vote. This is one Latina and native New Mexican who is not impressed. The Clintons have done far more for our community than Senator Obama has ever done. I'm sure the multitudes of stifled Latino voters in Florida and Michigan would agree.
Posted by: Nancy | Mar 22, 2008 12:54:15 AM
Bill Richardson claimed endorsement only after the hope of a re-vote in Michigan and Florida was pronounced as UNLIKELY.........another “typical” politican. He's hoping for a spot as VP or Secretary of State, IF Obama wins.
I think we need to go back to all the "typical" white states where the "typical" white people voted for the "typical" black person and find out how many of them would like to re-vote and "CHANGE" their minds about Obama and how wonderful he is after they have found out just what he thinks of them now!
Also, I think that all the SUPER DELEGATES NEED TO READ Obama's books and find out how he really feels about race and where he came from! He has totally denounced his mother's side and wholeheartedly embraced his blackness. He knows deep down inside himself what he believes because he AND his wife have both made negative statements about our country. DID THEY REALLY TAKE THEIR DAUGHTERS TO HEAR PASTOR WRIGHT SPEW HATRED?
MAYBE EVERYONE SHOULD GO BACK AND RETHINK THEIR VOTES AND START CALLING ON THE “SUPER DELEGATES” WHO REPRESENT "TYPICAL" WHITE STATE VOTERS and TELL THEM who we want them to back if they want us to continue backing them!
Everyone, including Obama, keeps saying that all candidates and SUPER DELEGATES MUST listen to the voters in their home bases and vote for the candidate THE VOTERS feel would represent them the best! How about Florida and Michigan?
Let's see how many delegates Obama would LOSE if we could recall, because we no longer respect or believe him.
Posted by: 1proudamerican | Mar 21, 2008 11:54:31 PM
I believed in Obama! I was going to vote for him, but now I actually have come to believe that HE is the one who has been subtly bringing race into this campaign. He has shown his true colors as a closet racist. He had me fooled, but no more. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
Obama is not for real and I am very angry at him. Frankly speaking, I want an apology! There are no 'typical' white people just as there are no 'typical' black people or red people or yellow, green, blue or purple people. I am offended that he would use such an awful stereotype to describe his fellow Americans. I want an apology and I want it NOW. I am absolutely sure if anyone else would have spoken in such a degrading manner depicting 'typical' black people, everyone would have been demanding apologies and railing on every media outlet available. I am disgusted at this duplicity and double standard that I never saw until now. I was actually going to vote for Obama and I am angry that he has turned out to be, not only a racist, but nothing more than another two-faced politician.
Posted by: Sydney | Mar 21, 2008 10:32:44 PM
Well,
you can add me to that list, I was so happy to hear Murtha endorsed hillary... I went to huffingtonpost, and the comments...oh my!
Murtha, a celebrated marine...one of the first anti-war democrats...the comments: "an old has-been" by some of the Obama supporters
This democrat will vote for Mccain over Obama and his "finally proud of america" wife and his "anti-white", "anti-jewish", "anti-american" preacher.... at least Mccain has done more to deserve my vote...
I will vote for hillary... BUT I WILL NEVER vote for the FRAUD Obama...if he gets the democratic nomination
Posted by: concerned penn. resident | Mar 21, 2008 10:00:48 PM
My grandmother and I voted in Florida....it is obvious to everyone ( but the Obama-butt kissing stations of CNN and MSNBC) that Obama will NOT win the General...
1) He won't agree to a revote in Michigan where he knows he will lose...
2) in Florida HE WAS ON THE BALLOT and not only taht... we saw his ads on TV!!!!! so much for "just words"....
we recently received a letter from the DNC asking for funds...we NOT ONLY SENT IT BACK, but we also included a mccain sign in there...
and we wrote on there:
"you won't count my vote, don't count on us to vote for you!!!"
my grandma will proudly take our hillary stickers and go to the Mccain campaign and campaign for Mccain... at least he has served this country long enough to get our votes!!!
And after the Wright stuff, I am no longer going to vote for Obama in the general, if he gets the nomination...
with Resko, Wright and the black panthers all endorsing him... who knows what else is in his closet?
I will take 4 years of a liberal republican than 4 years of uncertainty under obama....
and BTW...I have friends overseas serving in the military... and GUESS WHAT?? they are are or have voted for Hillary and will easily switch to Mccain in a heartbeat!...
DEAN AND PELOSI AND KERRY NO WONDER THE REPUBLICANS BEAT YOU EVERYTIME!!!!! YOU DESERVE IT!!!!!!!!
Posted by: sara talmont | Mar 21, 2008 9:55:12 PM
Funny, for someone who does not know the American anthem; would not place his hands over his heart when it is playing; would not wear the American flag pin on his suit; all of a sudden cannot have enough of the American flags wrapped around him when he is in trouble. Wow!
Are we really that gaulible?
Wake up America! Wake up!
Posted by: SO | Mar 21, 2008 8:27:58 PM
Hillary is robo calling independents as well, thought this was a closed primary and the people she called are not for Hillary!!
Posted by: Paulet | Mar 21, 2008 8:12:13 PM
People, people are you Democrats or what? I am an Obama supporter,I will vote for him if he's the nominee. I think he has what it takes to do the job. I for one don't believe everything I read. If Hillary gets the nod I'll vote for her. I'm a real Democrat and we don't switch to the opposition under any circumstances. If you want change,if you want a better America, a better life for yourselves and your family why would anyone support the stupidity and lack of progress we have endured under the administration of this Republican joke? We all know when someone is campaigning against an opponnent it can get ugly.Anything they can find to use, exploit or otherwise get to benefit themselves is fair game.So what if it's used out of context. Check the message and the man! Go Obama *****I still BELIEVE!!
Posted by: Victor Miller | Mar 21, 2008 7:20:36 PM
As for what Obama really represents, I recommend re-reading T's comment of 11:48:44 AM.
T insists that Obama doesn't believe in what Wright has said; however, he goes on to say that what Wright said was wholly justifiable. So T knows that Obama will at least breach the dike so that the "tsunami" of that Wright sort of "change" can pour through.
A tsunami destroys cities, kills everyone in them, and washes them away so that other people can start over. Since we non-Obamites are "ignorant" and "racist", T prays that this tsunami will be as thorough as possible. T is, in short, a Jacobin who wants to start us all over at Year Zero. "By any means necessary", to cite Malcolm X.
And this is supposed to make us want to vote for Obama, why exactly?
Posted by: David Ross | Mar 21, 2008 6:58:28 PM
I find myself more amused than angry at the attempt to characterize the support of Obama as a cult rather than open minded individuals who have been blessed to see what some voters can't. For any one to use the word cult this political season quite obviously is in the wrong blogosphere, but I am sure there are many religious blogs who would love to hear from you. And if we want to let religion run its course on this subject then we should taken into account the fact that as we are “One Nation under God" and HE ultimately decides who wins or loses. Not the media, raving Hillary Fans, Obama-cans nor McCain-a-cans" Even further, while all are hurt by the incendiary comments of Wright, to criticize Obama, for not throwing him under the bus for opposing his views is a lack of realism. I continue to live in America even while not always agreeing with its actions. I continue to visit other countries while not embracing views of their leadership; I have befriended friends, Black, White, Asian, Latino, whom have opposing views of other races. His responsibility is not to sever the friendship but to bring an open minded view to his friend and former pastor to enlighten him that harboring ill feelings and un-American like views is inconsistent with preaching love and equality. To this Obama admits he has done. Judging Obama's entire character because of his relationship with Wright, an elder person desperately in need of an American course refresher is a closed minded excuse to pounce on an individual that you were never for in the first place. Since when did our English language define listening as accepting? For those of you that search out Wrights comments, you’ve done nothing any different than Obama and that was to listen. I am excited that someone has finally challenged us to take a look in our own back yards, and talk about a real issue…when is the last time that we sat down with someone of the opposite race and told a racial joke and both could laugh, the last time we shared our angers of race differences with each other without it erupting into outright violence. It's time for us to get over ourselves and realize WE are Americans...not segregated as
(Race) - American but just American. This is a test on where America is on race. Lets not fail.
Posted by: tb98e | Mar 21, 2008 4:00:50 PM
This is the end result of identity politics.
The Democrats have only themselves to blame.
The chickens haaaaaaaaaave come hoooooooooome to rooooooooost.
Heh.
Posted by: M. Simon | Mar 21, 2008 3:31:18 PM
Rick, join me and go fishing. America made a hugh mistake voting for Bush and I will not be guilty of voting for Obama. DON'T BLAME ME
Posted by: boohall | Mar 21, 2008 3:10:16 PM
The superdelegates will NOT throw Obama under the bus, regardless of how much his poll numbers plummet.
Posted by: The | Mar 21, 2008 2:42:12 PM
Even without MI and FL, Obama cannot, and possibly was inherently incapable of bringing us together.
Posted by: herman | Mar 21, 2008 2:27:41 PM
LA in Indiana writes:
". . . Apparently to YOU, there is nothing real about any of us "typical black people", you just assume (he can't be real, he's black)."
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For what it's worth, I worked hard in both of Jesse Jackson's presidential campaigns -- and think JJ made a big mistake in endorsing Obama over Edwards.
It's Obama's politics - I can't stand. I don't care WHAT color he is.
Posted by: Navarro | Mar 21, 2008 2:21:57 PM
It's ok. At least you're at denial now. Come GE you should all be at acceptance.
Breath deeply k.
Posted by: Jsn | Mar 21, 2008 2:21:33 PM
Obama is a Harvard Lawyer expert using words to deflect and seduce, channeling MLK, JFK, and Lincoln as needed. He understands the core tenants of Black Liberation Theology and HAS CHOSEN to practice it for over 21 YEARS as his personal faith (as has his wife) and adopt it for his children. After Harvard, Obama became a Black Organizer and activist.
The Larger story centers on the faith’ and what the core tenets of that faith are, not merely one of many messengers - Reverend Wright.
Posted by: Prevere | Mar 21, 2008 2:11:05 PM
Spin it anyway you want the fact is Obama has shown he has poor judgment, admits he makes boneheaded decisions and has been caught lying during this campaign. He can't win in November and the DNC needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
Posted by: Juli in PA | Mar 21, 2008 2:06:52 PM
LA in Iniana,
SEE! This is THE problem. Black people think that just because all White people aren't voting for Obama, they're racists! NOTHING could be further from the truth! This "typical white person" worked for Obama's Illinois Senate campaign. I donated money to his Senate campaign. I attended Illinois Obama rallies AND I voted for the man in his Senate bid.
I am NOT voting for Mr. Hope because he used the race card against Hillary and Bill Clinton in NH and SC and they have always worked to help the AA community! Now you have the NERVE to call ME and the Clintons and anyone else who doesn't vote for Mr. Hope, RACISTS just because we don't like him? This "typical white person" doesn't like him because he's a typical slimy politician who's as tainted as they come.
Posted by: Vickie | Mar 21, 2008 2:06:11 PM
Navarro....do you assume that everything that comes out of Obama's mouth is "made up". Its the same old crap.
Apparently to YOU, there is nothing real about any of us you just assume. And that's sad.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 21, 2008 2:05:25 PM
postings like this, prove my point...
"If you think people want to see Obama's church people at the Inaugural, you're insane."
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 21, 2008 1:58:17 PM
LA in Indiana writes:
"most will not vote for Obama simply BECAUSE he is black"
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"Most"? Are we back to "typical white person"?
How about not voting for Obama just because he's a raging phony who plays every point both ways?
Not everyone who won't vote for Obama is "Running out the door to go support the white woman" -- apropos of which, I wonder how many people, of whatever color, think Obama's claims about his grandmother, the "typical white person", sounded made up for the occasion.
The Democrats had better come up with somebody ELSE -- preferably John Edwards, since there's a Depression on and he's the guy with the guts.
Many actual Democrats who supported Howard Dean worked to elect full-of-himself post-partisan John Kerry -- whom Obama resembles more every day -- after he and the corporate media sabbed Dr. Dean.
Posted by: Navarro | Mar 21, 2008 1:56:45 PM
Bill Richardson could not get any votes for himself what good is he going to do for Obama. Mr. Obama needs to face it, His 20 year relationship with his mentor/Rev.Wright is hurting the democratic party in the worst way. How could he expect people to vote for him after he sat in that church for 20 years. He didn't walk away from that hate. I think his and his wifes true feeling show from time to time "First time in my adult life time I am proud of my country" "typical white person".
Posted by: 30 yrdem | Mar 21, 2008 1:53:28 PM
Obama losing has nothing to do with with the fact that he is black. It has everything to do with the fact that he has embraced the anti-American loony left and racially divisive frothing preachers like Wright. Oh sure, he offers excuses and tepid denials, but Americans are not going to fall for them. 20 years and follow the money Obama gives speaks louder than words.
America is ready for a black President. It is not "ready" for Barrack Obama, and never will be.
Posted by: DaMav | Mar 21, 2008 1:50:38 PM
I don't believe the majority of us will forget the damning remarks made by Rev. Wright. Obama should have said "it was another boneheaded mistake to sit through all these hatefilled sermons for so many years". God Bless America!
Posted by: Ginny | Mar 21, 2008 1:38:06 PM
The proof will play out in every state voting here on out, starting with Pennsylvania. I grew up there, and I know the ugliness of racism, as I watched it and listened to it. And most of you call yourselves progressives....to, for what???
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 21, 2008 1:30:17 PM
Mike R., should either Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton become president neither will actually pull our troops out of Iraq as quickly as you want. Both have already said as much...in between calling for a pullout within the first 60 days of their administrations!
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 21, 2008 1:12:45 PM
The Democratic convention had better nominate someone other than EITHER of these preening "post-partisan" whiners, or a lot of Democrats will go elsewhere, write in actual Democrat John Edwards, or stay home.
Posted by: Navarro | Mar 21, 2008 1:04:41 PM
McCain will be worse than bush,he dreams of greatness through wars.Iraq headache will be like a child's play to what will happen when McCain becomes president,Iran,syria,libya,and north korea will all be attacked,he is such an ........ Monger.
Posted by: val | Mar 21, 2008 12:50:15 PM
James Danley, is a bees nest the right place to fight bees? If you stop hitting the bees nest... you know, this is getting off point. My point on this board is the Obama/Clinton question. Democrat/ Republican will have it's day, believe me.
Obama and Clinton both want out of Iraq. That was the original point. If the Hillary supporters decide to turn their backs on Obama, should he be nominated, that would be a vote for McCain... who is committed to a possible unending war.
Posted by: Mike R | Mar 21, 2008 12:49:06 PM
ddpwoman, very nicely put! I agree totally with your statement. However, I just cannot support either Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton as they are both Socialists.
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 21, 2008 12:43:12 PM
Why isn't anyone talking about the fact that McCain thinks that IRAN is the right place to fight them ( Al Qaeda)? That is scarier then both the Dems..at least they know who we are fighting and where...
Posted by: ss | Mar 21, 2008 12:43:02 PM
Mike R., the problem is that al Qaeda declared Iraq as THEIR primary battlefield in the jihad against Western Civilization. So doesn't that make Iraq the right place to fight them?
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 21, 2008 12:40:09 PM
"The only thing scarier than Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright for 20 years is the supporters manic support for him. It's weird and very cult-like."
-We aren't the ones saying ' it's our candidate or else.'
Lisa: I have friends that have every view imaginable on every topic imaginable. This is where dialog comes in handy. We are a nation of 300 million people, each one unique. If we aren't able to speak freely, nothing will ever change.
Posted by: Mike R | Mar 21, 2008 12:39:51 PM
No, I have no America hating race mongering hate-filled friends. No, I do not. Thanks for asking though. And I certainly wouldn't have any I called my mentor for 20 years if I wanted to be president.
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