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March 21, 2008 10:06 AM
In the new Franklin & Marshall College Poll (read it HERE) some good news for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and some troubling news for Democrats.
Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, 51% to 35% -- increasing her lead from February, when she was up 44% to 37%. She leads among young voters, wealthier voters...voters in virtually every demographic group, with the exceptions of Philly voters and non-whites.
In a sign of just how divisive and ugly the Democratic fight has gotten, only 53% of Clinton voters say they'll vote for Obama should he become the nominee. Nineteen percent say they'll go for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and 13% say they won't vote.
Sixty percent of Obama voters say they'll go for Clinton should she win the nomination, with 20% opting for McCain, and three percent saying they won't vote.
Grim.
- jpt
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The Fox news website is posting a story that Gov. Palin will sit down with Charles Gibson later this week. Hey Jake did you write this post before or after you were told of the interview? or are you out of the loop there at ABC?
Posted by: Jim | Sep 7, 2008 5:36:37 PM
It enrages me that the media continue to cast doubt on whether Barack Obama is able to secure enough of the white votes necessary to win the upcoming presidential elections, if he is to be nominated as the democratic presidential candidate.
Playing the race card magnifies continued racial discrimination in the US and also helps to maintain and perpetuate the notion that white America has yet to honestly embrace the African-American as a true equal.
Since the media encourages us to discriminate, let's look at age and gender discrimination, too. I wonder how many voters will NOT vote for Hillary because she is a woman. Too many men and some women still view women as weak and docile. And, how many voters will NOT vote for McCain because he is simply too old. He's already 71 years-old!
I hope that when the race card is played in the media--reminding us that Barack Obama is Black--that all Americans consider and employ all the other forms of discrimination that surface in our country. Indeed, it would be a shame if candidates were judged on their own merits rather than their discriminated ‘short-comings.’
Posted by: Dharma Guy | May 22, 2008 10:55:27 AM
If Obama is nominated I will vote republican for sure as numerous Democrats I have spoken to.
Posted by: al sammarco | May 9, 2008 8:38:29 AM
I’m an independent voter for Clinton, she may only have 4 more years in the senate, but she does have good experience as a First Lady and REAL SOLUTIONS with SPECIFICS, not just TALK and Obama’s platform of VAGUE "CHANGE."
Obama the whole campaign has maintained a "holier than thou" attitude-and every, calamity in his campaign, he takes NO responsibility for. When Clinton calls him on these legit issues, he is smug and labels Hillary "negative" and “old style politics.”
Obama has given Florida, Michigan and democracy the finger, disenfranchising millions by refusing a revote-yet he preaches to be the righteous candidate of change (he wanted to seat those delegates before he lost!).
Barack claims to be a uniter, with a diverse coalition. His pastor of 20+ years that showed him his religion is the most ANTI-AMERICAN bigot ever. Out of all the churches…he willingly chose to listen to Reverend Wright rant about how he hates all sorts of ethnic groups and America.
Voting was a hard choice. McCain is a man of integrity and character, someone who does what he believes is right. He’s a true American hero, came out of a working class military family and worked his way up to commanding thousands in the Navy.
McCain is a moderate who he reaches across party lines frequently taking unpopular positions even if it might be political suicide –a true uniter.
He may not believe the Iraq War isn’t a lost cause like I do, but I can respect the fact he doesn’t want a genocide to occur in the region, a power vacuum situation, or the new democratic Iraq to be up in smokes after 7 years of commitment-maybe we should wait till Iraq’s on its feet before we leave..
Im voting McCain in the general.
Posted by: Lancaster | Mar 29, 2008 1:18:57 AM
Barack Obama & Rev. Jeramiah Wright are racists.
No friggin way me nor my family will vote for Obama if he wins the nomination.
I WILL BE VOTING FOR JOHN MCCAIN.
(If Hillary loses nomination & McCain wins the White House, she can try again in 4 years)
Posted by: Jim | Mar 25, 2008 6:38:06 PM
I believe that if the republicans continue to hold the presidency we are all in trouble. I am a supporter of Obama, but if Hillary gets the nomination then I will support her, because the party comes first. Some people are suggesting they would change party lines and vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination and to me that is stupid. Basically you would cut off your nose to spite your face and that is just crazy. We live and die as a party. I dont believe America can take 4 more years of the Republicans. Even if the Democratic Party seems to be falling apart, we as Democrats have got to stay focused on the bigger picture, which is to gain control of the Presidency.
Posted by: Kim | Mar 25, 2008 1:31:16 PM
I am one of those Clinton supporters who will NOT be voting for Barak Obama if he is the nominee, I will cross over and for the first time EVER I will vote Republican for John McCain.
Why?
Because I don't trust Obama, he is too inexperienced for this job.
I just hope that Hillary wins the nomination.
Posted by: Maddie | Mar 24, 2008 11:44:34 PM
As a democrat in Florida I am appalled at the DNC, and Barack. Where did all that talk back in 2000 go? What about all votes should count. Obviously, Barack does not what Florida or Michegan to count because he would loose badly. He would easily loose the pop. vote and probably the pledged delegate lead also. None the less, Barack has taken his ball and went home with 2:00 on the clock. I have the change of party affiliation in my hand and ready to mail. I can never be part of a party which nominates un-American candidates. I will vote for Hillary, but I cannot vote for Barack. If it comes down to that, this new independent will grit his teeth and fill in the circle next to a true American-John McCain.
Posted by: Joe | Mar 24, 2008 4:55:08 PM
Obama's quiet acquiescence of sexism, and his undermining of a fair vote in both Florida and Michigan have totally turned me off.
I am a PA voter who has lost all respect for him. I never hear him speaking of a unified Democratic party - because, indeed, he cannot unify the party.
For me, it's Hillary in the PA primary and I don't know exactly what in the fall - but not Obama.
Posted by: sas | Mar 24, 2008 10:28:21 AM
Are the voters in PA familar with the years of scandals Senator Clinton has been involved. Do they know that she was, according to her released schedules, in the White House when President Clinton was having sex with Monica Lewinsky? How could the PA voters ever trust her? As a Christian, it'd be against my conscience to vote for her.
Posted by: bilbo983 | Mar 24, 2008 6:42:28 AM
Regardless of what happens, the Democratic Party will see its demise. As a Hillary supporter, I will defect and vote for McCain if Obama is nominated. And, I am certain that if Hillary were to get the nomination, Obama supporters will protest, some by not voting, others by voting McCain, others still by trying to start a revolution no doubt. But, I guess this is the final by-product of the Democrats' political correctness, identity politics, voter disenfranchisement in Michigan and Florida, and consistent stupidity in running national campaigns...we deserve it.
Posted by: SEB | Mar 23, 2008 11:48:45 AM
I think that if Hilary Clinton wins the nomination we will have a quick return to the scandals of yesteryear. The Clintons have already shown they have no dignity and will do or say anything to win. I expect a whole new wave of hidden treacheries to emerge when/if she is the nominee. I believe that is why the Republicans are attacking Senator Obama now, to make their job easier in November. Consider this, "If her husband loves this country so much he should of spent his time chasing Al Qaida opposed to chasing women."
Posted by: Sandy | Mar 23, 2008 11:25:03 AM
I have a question for those who are totally enamored with Sen. Obama...the hope for America...the great peace maker...and the uniter. How can we expect this gifted man to spread hope and peace throughout America and the world and unify the American people when he can't even unify the Democratic Party? He can't even unify people with whom he has a common ideology!
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 23, 2008 7:57:43 AM
The Politically astute and truly informed are using the Wright issue as a weapon against the closed minded, gullible and uninformed masses.
Its kind of sad, but this kind of tactic is almost foolproof as a political weapon.
Those that understand this method of politics but disagree ideologically with Obama are laughing at the ones that fall for this kind of tactic over and over again.
It is time tested, and almost always works because you can't change human nature.
Now don't worry, there is a simple test for this: If you are angered and offended by the previous statement, than the joke is on you.
Posted by: truth serum | Mar 23, 2008 3:40:22 AM
Bruce, I'm with you. What I've seen in this primary has tempted me to split permanently from the Democratic party. The ugliness and the complete lack of leadership from the top of the party are appalling. Like you, I'd probably be better off under McCain, personally, and it's only my liberalism and sense of social justice that keeps me voting Democrat. Or ... did ...
Posted by: Heather | Mar 22, 2008 5:58:09 PM
"The General is decided by the quiet ones in the middle, the people who only care about issue like: the economy, the war, homeland security, education and kitchen table issues etc."
I didn't see faith anywhere in your list. Faith was a major issue for 'the quiet ones' in 2004. How does Obama talk about his faith now? His church says 'We are an African People' (not African-American, but African people). His church espouses the 'Black Value System' and black nationalism. Not American nationalism, black nationalism.
Posted by: whoframedrudy | Mar 22, 2008 5:15:36 PM
Obama and his media handlers have really played the race and religion thing out. Im not surpirsed no ones buying his lectures at this point. Had enough of religious politicians for at least a decade.
Posted by: hhkeller | Mar 22, 2008 3:59:14 PM
I have watched the debates. All I keep hearing out of Obama's mouth is "what Hillary" said. If he could come up with ideas of his own I might give hime a little respect.
He lost any respect I had for him when he played the race card in South Carolina. I knew it ruined any hope in Georgia too as I sat in my mother-in-law's kitchen in Savannah. I was very saddened by his negativity towards the Clintons, who have promotede civil rights.
As a disabled veteran who uses the VA I have to give Obama a big fat raspberry...he says he supports full funding for the VA...then why won't he sign a resolution supporting it at www.offe2008.org. Senators Clinton and Schumer have signed. Many local elected officials in Illinois signed on with us (I am the Kansas Director for Operation Firing for Effect). The resolution even passed in IL on February 5, 2008. Where was Obama? Absent as ususal!
I do not think he has handle on Foreign Policy either. He has the likes of Susan rice and Anthony Lake; both were dismal failures in the Clinton Administration. I do not see that changing. Then the now-resigned, Samantha Powers, gets on foreign tv and say Hillary is a monster. Then the next time I hear her she says Obama will not use the plans for troop withdrawal he suggests in candidacy. Need I mention Brezinski who is qute anti-Israel.
Now to top things off Michelle Obama basically said she would not vote for Hillary. She actually said I do not like her tone, etc...
No I will not vote for Obama. We leave ourselves open to more attacks because he says he will go talk to Castro, etc...Now I read he feels we should also talk to Hamas despite Powers words in that interview in Britain.
Anyone got milk?
Posted by: navyvet48 | Mar 22, 2008 3:17:19 PM
Derrick - can you send me that quote with Obama calling his grandmother a "biggot"? That's news to me, and I heard his speech. You must not have been too serious of an Obama supporter to be wavered by this ploy.
And Cognitive Dissonance, how do you have such remarkable insight into a future Obama cabinet? Obama has more than demonstrated the capacity to put together a program that will work for the US economy. He was never supposed to be where he is today. The only way McCain will be elected is if he sells out every independent and free thinking bone in his body (which he began early on in his campaign) and embraces the Bush doctrine of failed economic policy.
Posted by: JM | Mar 22, 2008 3:00:40 PM
I don't understand the hate between the Obama supporters and the Clinton supporters. Their policies are close and no sane person really belives all the other issues on race, religion orleadership. When people go into the voting booth, I hope they'll choose their candidate based upon the important issues of jobs, Iraq war and energy independence.
Posted by: Mike | Mar 22, 2008 2:56:47 PM
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