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March 21, 2008 10:06 AM
In the new Franklin & Marshall College Poll (read it HERE) some good news for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and some troubling news for Democrats.
Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, 51% to 35% -- increasing her lead from February, when she was up 44% to 37%. She leads among young voters, wealthier voters...voters in virtually every demographic group, with the exceptions of Philly voters and non-whites.
In a sign of just how divisive and ugly the Democratic fight has gotten, only 53% of Clinton voters say they'll vote for Obama should he become the nominee. Nineteen percent say they'll go for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and 13% say they won't vote.
Sixty percent of Obama voters say they'll go for Clinton should she win the nomination, with 20% opting for McCain, and three percent saying they won't vote.
Grim.
- jpt
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As much as Obama tries to make it so, race is not the issue. We are tired of being called Archie Bunker's by him simply because we don't overwhelmingly coronate him. It's really simple, folks. Obama is NOT qualified to be president. He hasn't yet proved that he's qualified to even be a Senator, as he hasn't done anything yet.
We are right this minute facing the worse finanacial meltdown since the Great Depression. It is guaranteed that George Bush will do very little to stop it, except continue to tell us the underlying fundamentals are sound. No real economist agrees with him. Obama quite frankly would be a disaster under these circumstances. He has made it glaringly obvious that he doesn't have a clue about the economy. Nor do I trust his obvious poor judgment in choosing staff that will have a clue. If it comes to a choice between Obama and McCain, you can bet that it will be an easy choice, I'll vote McCain. I've been a life-long democrat, but my country comes first. With Obama, we'll see the soup lines again and Hoovervilles everywhere.
Posted by: CognitiveDissonance | Mar 22, 2008 2:33:03 PM
As a former Obam supporter, Obama is nothing more than a bigot. he gave tens of thousands of dollars to Wright to help him spew his hate speech. Obama even called his white grandmother (who raised him) a bigot, but he loves Wright even more.
Obama is a disgrace and he should cease his campaign. If HUSSEIN Obama is the Dem nominee, I will vote for McCain, a moderate and candidate which both sides love.
Posted by: Derrick | Mar 22, 2008 2:28:36 PM
Clare Bee, you are victim of the misinformation campaign.
Obama did not LIE. You are right that last Saturday he said he was not in the pews...when Wright said what was being played over and over on the idiot box (God damn America, etc.). His schedule has corrobated that - he was in Miami that day. What he said on Tuesday was that he has been present when he has heard Wright say things that he did not agree with, just as Oprah has and 8,500 other members of this congregation. Learn a little more about Wright's former church and you will realize why it would have been poor judgement for Obama not to attend that church. But if your information sources are limited to FOX news and Clear Channel Media, good luck...
Good comments Truth Serum!
Posted by: JM | Mar 22, 2008 2:23:00 PM
obama and his team brought race into the picture. now when his bad judgement is exposed he hollers race when he is called on it. there are many black congressmen and women who have helped this country and have good judgement and would have no problem being elected. i am a typical white grandmother who would vote for the person that helps this country. that is not obama
Posted by: helen | Mar 22, 2008 2:06:19 PM
Just wanted to point out that Obama was forced to make this speech because he was found out! He was doing damage control!
Many have forgotten that he lied to all of us last saturday when he went to all the tv stations saying that he was not in the pews when the Rev. was having these rants. On Monday he admitted that he was!!
How does this square with his campaign slogan of having superior judgment and character? And this is not the first time that he lied. On the same day he also admitted that Rezko has actually given him $250,000 or more for all of his campaigns which span 11 years!! He claimed that his contact with Rezko (that individual, remember? he could not even name him during the SC debate) was only for 5 billable hours!!
He thinks we have a short memory. He is not really a new kind of politician. He is more of the same, a product of the rough and tumble chicago politics he was bragging about.
If he is the Dem candidate, he will be slaughtered by the republicans in November.
I would have had more respect for him if he made this much advertised speech about race at the time of the SC primary when there was so much bitterness about race baiting hurled by the obama campaign against the Clintons and their surrogates.
Now, it’s too late. He is just trying to salvage his campaign. He is damaged goods.
I don't think many of us will forget his lies.
I can never vote for Obama in Nov. if he's the nominee because he will surely lose. I will write in Hillary's name or vote for McCain.
Posted by: Clare Bee | Mar 22, 2008 1:01:27 PM
I truly hope you are right Kadee.
Posted by: truth serum | Mar 22, 2008 1:00:00 PM
People like us we have deep concerns about politics, so much so we take time out of our busy day to blog on the Internet. Some political experts call us the "Shouters". The problem is we don't decide the General Election. The General is decided by the quiet ones in the middle, the people who only care about issue like: the economy, the war, homeland security, education and kitchen table issues etc. they will decide our next president long after all these controversies are over.
Posted by: Kadee | Mar 22, 2008 12:57:28 PM
Its truly amazing how paper thin Obamas support was with some Dems.
The American people are once again demonstrating how truly gullible they are to a few bits of strategically placed bits of useless information.
IF YOU HAVE EVEN A SHRED OF COMMON SENSE LEFT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT OBAMA DOES NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE.
His closest friends growing up were white. The vast majority of his senior staff is mostly if not all white.
HIS OWN MOTHER IS WHITE!!
Please get over your pent up fear and prejudice and see the truth people.
Vote on the issues and do not let this political smoke screen cloud your judgement.
Posted by: truth serum | Mar 22, 2008 12:48:13 PM
k wrote that we need to see the promise of Hillarys Presidency.
Who promised it? There is no promise.
So many here seem to know who "The Nation" is going to vote for.
I predict more democrats are sickened by Hillary then by Wright. I know I am. I can't stand to look at her picture or hear her words. I am disgusted. If those who promised the nomination to her can actually keep their promise I will vote for Nader.
So I predict that Obama will be our next President and McCain can answer to the residents of Arizona why he has missed so many votes in the Senate.
Posted by: Anna | Mar 22, 2008 12:44:59 PM
K -
Deal. And that is the way this needs to work. Hillary is incredibly smart and talented. Sure, she is still in it. I do have issues with her integrity, tactics, and the fact that her husband's administration, pursuing a very moderate agenda, was so polarizing over the course of two terms. Hillary has a reputation on the Hill as being difficult to work with. But how many of those concerns are legitimate, and how many are the result of being influenced by this incredibly negative environment that the media and divisive types are perpetuating? But I can deal with this, and while I struggle a bit with the thought now, know good and well that either Obama or Clinton are huge improvements over McCain, Bush and the damage they have brought to America. So, K, the deal is on. At the very least, let's preserve our hope for this country above the misinformation campaigns being spun by those that fear progress and honest discussions about the difficult issues of the day.
Posted by: JM | Mar 22, 2008 12:28:28 PM
Mr. Tapper,
I usually never read posts or write posts, but the current environment has convinced me I had to voice my opinion.
I am a Penn. resident and I will be voting for Hillary Clinton.
I don't make a lot of money, we try to save for our children, pay our bills on time and hope we don't lose our house.
But in spite of all this we don't "DAMN AMERICA", we don't live paycheck to pay
check, but we struggle to keep our heads above water every month. But we LOVE THIS COUNTRY...in spite of all our struggles.
I can't vote for Obama, with his wife who declared she was "finally proud of america", and his "anti-america" preacher.
I will vote for Mccain if Obama is the democatic nominee. With Mccain I don't get the sense of arrogance, but rather humbleness, I see that he has long served this country, and they seem like they are good people, he and his wife even adopted 2 orphans from Bangladesh.
While many in my neighborhood struggle, I hear Michelle Obama claim "we are struggling to have piano and dance lessons for our kids, which cost 10K"...
Many of us are us struggling, working hard to provide for families...and then we hear this Michelle's "FINALLY PROUD OF AMERICA FIRST TIME IN HER ADULT LIKE"
How are we supposed to overlook this arrogance, anti-america statements by Obama, his wife and his preacher of 20+ years??
Mr. Tapper,
I and my family will be voting for HIllary in Penn., however if the democratic party nominates Obama, THIS 3 GENERATION DEMOCRAT AND HIS FAMILY WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN... WE DID NOT LEAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS LEFT US!
Thank you.
Posted by: former democrat | Mar 22, 2008 11:29:11 AM
I have enough money that I really don't need to defend the Democratic Party and it's neediest members. I have an Ivy League education, I have health insurance, I don't care about children and their education anymore, the Republican tax cuts actually help me, I fought against one war so it's your turn now and if your children die in it then so be it. You have dug your own grave. I am tired of your bickering and childishness.
Have a good life and most of all: GOOD LUCK because you and your children will need it. You are blowing the political opportunity of a lifetime. It will be fun to see the next Supreme Court.
Posted by: Bruce | Mar 22, 2008 11:27:30 AM
The fact is that most "typical white" American voters will tell you that they are not going to vote for Senator Obama because he attended a congregation that damned America. "America" is not a concept. Many of us see ourselves as "America." That is why so many who love this nation were vulnerable to an unprovoked war on an innocent nation. Whether you like the dynamics of Americans or not, if you are in a campaign to lead them you are ill advised to associate yourself with someone whose speeches invoke God's damnation.
Posted by: beebopareebop | Mar 22, 2008 11:23:36 AM
How hypocritical of Richardson to at one time say that Superdelegates should vote the way their constituents have voted and then ignore the results of his own state. Same with Kerry and Kennedy. Could they be any more ridiculous? I'll never forget that hokey salute Kerry did at the beginning of the Democratic convention. I knew we would lose then. Al Gore, where are you?
Posted by: glennmcgahee | Mar 22, 2008 10:58:32 AM
On my World War II Grandfather's grave I would never vote for Obama. The last straw is when he threw his GrandMother under the bus!! I will vote for McCain if Obama is the Nominee.
Posted by: Fae | Mar 22, 2008 10:39:06 AM
Hey JM:
Make a deal with you: We Clinton supporters will attempt to "see the promise" of Obama, even given the bad stuff we've seen lately, if you Obama supporters give Hillary her due and admit to seeing the promise of her Presidency. Because she's just as inspiring, and every bit as (I would say even more) presidential than Obama is. For the last six weeks the Obama camp has been strutting around like they own the nomination - and they don't. Because guess what? They've got to convince us he's worth a vote IF he gets the nom, and he's been acting like he can say anything he wants, that he's in no matter what. Meanwhile, Hillary has been going to African American audiences over the last few weeks and with humility extending an olive branch. She's still acting like she needs to EARN the nomination. So you admit she's still in it, and she shows promise too, and I'll do the same toward Obama. But it's got to go both ways. Deal?
Posted by: K | Mar 22, 2008 7:07:21 AM
C'mon haters - is this really how low we have become? The only person that has had it right is Rush Limbaugh, in arguing that extending the nomination fight for the democrats would mean we would tear one another to shreds. Right out of the Rovian playbook...the Republicans cannot win by virtue of their merits, but only if we democrats look worse than they do (and we'll certainly take care of that if this forum is any kind of indication!).
I have a Limbaugh loving mother and a Bush backing father who have even defended Obama over the past week. What the hell is up with the rest of you? Pull your heads out! Cause right now ("SO"), yes, you are looking pretty darn G-U-L-L-I-B-L-E. Anyone too thick to see the promise of an Obama presidency should really look within (and turn off their cable TV). If he is not qualified by virtue of his many talents, WHO is?
Posted by: JM | Mar 22, 2008 2:59:34 AM
I'm telling my friends that I'm voting for Obama but I'm really secretly voting for McCain.
Posted by: Milch Holstein | Mar 22, 2008 2:42:51 AM
I am a BLACK Democrat and I will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.
Obama is nothing more than a bigot and I assure most blacks despise Wright and Obama for being bigots.
If Obama is the nominee, I will vote for McCain, who is a modeate (and a true uniter) and a war hero like John Kerry.
Posted by: Tom | Mar 22, 2008 2:00:20 AM
Contrary to a previous post -- I think the SDs will throw anyone under the bus if they feel strongly he cannot win the general election. Do you really think they want to lose the White House yet again? The Rev. Wright and Rezko connections are not going to "die down" by a long shot. The radio airwaves and cable news stations have a hold of it and aren't going to let go -- and rightfully so. If it were any other candidate -- do you think it would "die down"? I read more and more blogs with people posting who say they regretted their vote for Obama -- the fault of the media for not vetting him sooner. Clearly if this "G*d Damn America" and "typical white person" stuff had been revealed before super duper Tuesday, Obama would long ago have been toast.
Posted by: Ann | Mar 22, 2008 1:08:01 AM
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