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Kos: Clinton Doesn't Deserve 'Fairness'

March 17, 2008 2:27 PM

After a number of pro-Hillary Clinton diarists staged a boycott of the influential liberal website DailyKos, Markos "Kos" Moulitsas himself this morning posted his explanation as to why he's been hostile to her candidacy.

The reasons are substantive -- Clinton is a member of the DLC leadership, she "hasn't just rejected a 50-state strategy, she has openly attacked it," she voted to authorize use of force against Iraq, she voted in favor of that Kyl-Lieberman Iran resolution, she takes money from lobbyists and PACs, Barack Obama has the support of grass roots activists, among other reasons.

"But I could deal with all of that, really, if Clinton was headed toward victory," Kos writes. "I see this as a long-term movement, and I've always expected setbacks along the way. Clinton isn't the most horrible person in the world. She's actually quite nice, despite all her flaws, and would make a fine enough president. If she was winning. But she's not, and that's the rub.

"First of all, the only path to victory for Clinton is via coup by super delegate. She knows this. That's why there's all the talk about poaching pledged delegates and spinning uncertainty around Michigan and Florida, and laying the case for super delegates to discard the popular will and stage a coup. Yet a coup by super delegate would sunder the party in civil war. Clinton knows this, it's her only path to victory, and she doesn't care. She is willing -- nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power. If the situations were reversed, and Obama was lagging in the delegates, popular vote, states won, money raised, and every other reasonable measure, then I'd feel the same way about Obama. (I pulled the plug early on Dean in 2004.) But that's not the case.

"It is Clinton, with no reasonable chance of victory, who is fomenting civil war in order to overturn the will of the Democratic electorate. As such, as far as I'm concerned, she doesn't deserve 'fairness' on this site. .."

It goes on from there. Read it, it's interesting.

- jpt

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Kos doesn't know it yet, but DailyKos is going out of business.

Since when is it evil to have 2 candidates?

Posted by: Anne | Mar 28, 2008 5:57:30 AM

Big surprise. DailyKos has been running a persistent extremely negative anti-Hillary campaign. Rank and reeking rumours, blaming Hillary for every misstep Obama makes.

Nice to know the cat is finally out of the bag, and I hope Kos reports each and every penny that has been used, under the umbrella of a "liberal" blog to raise money for Obama.

A political campaign for a single person does not constitute a movement. It is a cult.

Posted by: SantaMonicaJoe | Mar 21, 2008 10:14:51 PM

The only house that is being burned down is Obama's and he set the fire. I can no longer abide by the foolish rhetoric on this blog of misogynists. A convenient liar is none the less a liar. Have fun.

Posted by: Cat | Mar 20, 2008 2:57:43 PM

How long will the dimocratic party allow Hillary Clinton to divide the party for no good reason ? It's not like she going to win. I could not beleive she said Macain would be a better commander a cheif becuse he has more experince than Obama. The only problem with that is he also has more than Mrs. Clinton

Posted by: a democrat | Mar 20, 2008 8:13:53 AM

Obama makes me ill.

His 'slash and burn, ends justify the means' arrogant, self-centered behavior is disgusting.

I'm on the right side of things; which is why I'm a progressive; but obama is not acting very progressive. He's fullfilling and confirming every last damn suspicion of the Right.

NO OBAMA!!!!!

Posted by: Josh | Mar 19, 2008 5:16:20 PM

I get the feeling from reading the blogs sometimes ...and of course from reading, the not-so-mainstream media these days that Hillary is somehow UnAmerican or evil for running for president. She is supposed to not be a candidate because Obama is ahead....neither can win without superdelegates....

Has the American brand become ..."Give it up for the one that is ahead"

I have serious doubts that Obama can win 51% of the vote. I saw his beautiful speech.

I mourn for Ferraro who has been ruined by a powerful combination of a willing press and a manipulative Obama campaign, and her own inability to back down...I am truly sad for this church and it's flawed minister. Obama never stood up to the most evil and untrue teachings or tried to "heal' this church. Now he will try to heal America.

All speeches aside....this is one time that I'm not terribly pleased with my Democratic Party. But then that's politics after all.

Posted by: Jackie | Mar 18, 2008 9:23:47 PM

Viva Kos. You are right on.

We have had it with 30 years of the Clinton expierience.....it's clear that the people want change through Obama.

Posted by: Shirl | Mar 18, 2008 3:16:09 PM

As far as I'm concerned, the democratic party has already decided that their rules are more important than including the votes from voters in 2 states. The fact that Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot and not be counted in Michigan's voting was his decision. When the party rules take precedence over the will of the voters in those states, the party needs to take accountability for their actions. The voters are the ones who lose here because their votes don't count. If the reverse were true and Obama won those states, I guarantee you he'd be fighting to get those delegates included.

Posted by: dt | Mar 18, 2008 3:00:02 PM

has everyone forgotten -Exelon Corp. The largest nuclear plant in the country.(in the state of Illinois)
The corporation that donated several hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Obama campaign. The Nuclear Information Release Bill that Obama sponsored yet watered it down to suit the Exelon Corp.Obama was the major sponsor of that Bill.
Again, how forgetful one's memory becomes to suit their cause.
Obama took lobbyist money from this corporation.
Who said Obama doesn't take money from lobbyist.
Research and find more of the lobbyist money he has taken

Posted by: ktow | Mar 18, 2008 1:33:01 PM

We all know that Hillary supported the resolution that ultimately was used to authorize war -- bad on her, and its hurt her immeasurably with the "progressive" wing of the Democrats. But as repeated over and over, Obama, once in the Senate, never voted against a bill to continue funding for the war, and on Kyl-Lieberman his vote was. . .absent. As for the superdelegates, their job is to pick the candidate who, in the exercise of their best judgment, has the best chance of winning the election in November, not to blindly follow "the will of the people," especially in a close race like this. If Hillary wins big in PA and has a strong showing in the other upcoming primaries, while she may not have a majority of delegates, she certainly can make a credible case that she's the best candidate to win in November. Of course a lot can happen between now and the convention, including how serious the repercussions are from the Wright/Obama matter. Right now the controversy shows no signs of dying down. Will Obama put it to bed in his PA speech? We'll see.

Posted by: shellray | Mar 18, 2008 12:55:18 PM

i feel if barack set in church fir 20years a nd cant remember what the preacher said he has a very poor memory and is not qulified to be president.

Posted by: mary powell | Mar 18, 2008 10:57:40 AM

Hillary is in the race to Spoil it for Obama,she already said if she do not win then McCain would be a better president.This women basically sold out the Dem party.This makes me feel she is not a true Dem at heart. The good thing about this primary season was that Americans really got to see the true character of this women,which fits with her high neg ratings. Kos is right she doesn't deserve fairness,simply because she does not know the meaning of the word.

Posted by: merle7 | Mar 18, 2008 10:48:29 AM

All the arguments that Kos presents in order to support seems fradulant. First, it not only Hillary 74% of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq in the beggning. Super delegates should and supposed to act on their own, that's why they were made that way. There's no conspiracy!Kos, you candidate Barak accepted contributions from lobbyists and other iinfluence peddlers. Mr. Obama used to accept private jets flights from big corporations until very recently. Tony Rezko is a long time friend and fund raiser for Sen. Barak Obama. Few days ago Mr. Obama himself finally acknowledged as much as $250,000 was contributed by Rezko to his campaign. Tony Rezko 52, is a Syrian immigrant who became a property developer and political fixer in Chicago. He is accused of using an accomplice on two state boards to demand kickbacks from companies that sought to do business with the state. Mr Rezko has known Mr Obama since 1990 and was one of the earliest fundraisers for his political career. ABC news reported that Mr. Rezko received about 100 Million worth of property housing project deals from the district that Mr. Obama represented. The two also became entwined in a controversial property deal in 2005, a year after Mr Obama was elected to the US Senate, in which the Obamas bought a mock-Georgian home and Mr Rezko's wife bought the adjoining garden. “When Sen. Barack Obama decided to buy a stately $1.65 million home last year on Chicago’s South Side, Tony Rezko and his wife wasted no time. The same day the Obamas closed on the house, the Rezkos closed on the purchase of the adjoining vacant lot, which once was the estate’s lush side yard.” Chicago Tribune said. The Obamas bought their house for more than quarter of a million dollars less than the market price. Prosecutors claim that Mr Rezko effectively controlled decisions by the Teachers Retirement System, which manages Illinois teachers' $30 billion pension fund, and the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board, which must approve all building permits involving hospitals. A longtime friend and fundraiser of Barack Obama is now threatening to derail the Democratic front-runner's presidential campaign, although Mr. Obama now renounces his long time buddy; Tony Rezko and calls his dealings with Rezko, “A bone-headed mistake!”Say no more KOS, we understand! We feel sorry for your lack of ablity to reason. Fairness and like democracy is an Anglo-American sensibility! Such concepts are deeply rooted in culture and upbringing and education. Although I feel sorry for you and what you lack as a person, but good education can help you overcome your inadequacy! I am so glad you are not supporting Hillary Clinton! Hillary 08!

Posted by: charleschaplin | Mar 18, 2008 10:22:49 AM

Self-appointed, self-righteousness is a difficult and risky stance in this day and time. Pundits have been announcing the outcome of this campaign since before the candidates announced their candidacy. To date they have been wrong,really wrong.

The daily Kos is ticked because “Hillary isn’t …;or won’t …; and she will lose”. This conduct is nothing more that a little boy “fit”. I see small curled fists and small feet slamming against the floor. She won’t quit, I hate her, I hate her… sorry that was Chris Matthews some time ago.

The often cited, “Hillary can’t win!” mantra is largely ignored by those of us who know better. However, this repetitive statement seems to meet the needs of the spoiled boy media who just can’t quite figure out why this “woman” won’t stop, quit, give up, go away….

It’s not over. The media doesn’t know better than the rest of us. The media does not elect the president, unless we let them. This is just the beginning of a close look at Obama and a variety of other issues.

Kos and the rest of the boys need to take a break and relax and let the rest of us make up our minds based on the facts and the candidates statements as we see and hear them.

Posted by: AmazonTraveler | Mar 18, 2008 10:08:58 AM

People so out of wack like KOS supporting Barak Obama, in the name of CHANGE, I want Hillary Clinton in the White House more than ever, if for nothing else but to clean up this sort of trash littering America!

Posted by: charleschaplin | Mar 18, 2008 9:47:59 AM

IF you like the way the Democrats created their electoral system, wait until they get their hands on the top spot in the government. Expect more convoluted systems that create distance between the government and the governed and poor results.

Posted by: Blueice | Mar 18, 2008 6:43:32 AM

Hey guys,

We're making some ads and thought it'd be a great idea to reach across the aisles to our brethrens on the left. Would any of those approving and supporting Rev. Wright and Obama's 20-year relationship with this man like to make an appearance in our ads?

We guarantee you'll have complete freedom to express your righteous conviction that all whites living in America today should feel forever guilt-ridden and thus morally obligated to welcome the racism and hatred that is directed at them by all groups that have historically suffered.

And that terrorist attacks like 9/11 are events that serve to absolve the privileged white people of their historical sins by giving them the opportunity to experience cruel suffering and loss themselves.

Also that it is indeed a sign of a generous, liberal consciousness on the part of enlightened white folks to accept the extremist racial ideology, however factually false they may be, that things like AIDS and crack cocaine were invented as instruments of genocide against African Americans.

I think these are all wonderfully inspiring messages that we all would just die to unite around!

Thanks and see you in November!
Love you guys, and oh, those Obama chants are just music to my ears!

K. Rove

Posted by: Bartlebybickle | Mar 18, 2008 3:55:57 AM

james, you are right about the long time between now and november. much can happen. that is NOT in obama's favor, as he can expect his numbers to drop as he continues to be exposed. nevertheless, some of us are responding with current polling information, to clear up any misconceptions by those who are putting out selective and false information.

re last week's high ratings for obama - yes. but dropping rapidly since the wright thing became public.

Posted by: so saddened | Mar 18, 2008 3:16:21 AM

vanessa, i keep reading your posts and wondering if your college will give you a refund. (i know you claim to be 17, but your incessant posting belies that - what responsible parent would allow their teenager to be up in the middle of the night doing this, night after night...)

re polls, there are many out there. some are trustworthy, some are not. for instance, zogby has quite a reputation, not a good one (and ties to obama). cnn and msnbc have made their opinions more than clear - and polls are only as good as the pollsters. also, methodology matters - internet polls are completely worthless, for obvious reasons. questions can be, and are, skewed to elicit the desired results, etc., etc.
anyone with any education knows that to selectively choose only the numbers that support your position is intellectually dishonest. btw, pollsters generally make their methodology and questions available. a little research, plus a little educated analysis is often very revealing.

i say all of this in the hope that, despite your obvious commitment to supporting obama no matter what, at some point in the future you might be open to objective analysis. if not, sorry to hear it.

Posted by: so saddened | Mar 18, 2008 3:10:19 AM

I love it. For 6 weeks, Obama beats Clinton in 95% of the polls versus McCain. The day he slips behind, the entire Clinton crowd comes running out with, "look at the polls, look at the polls".

How about the SUSA state-by-state matchups?

A poll this early means very little. If the poll showed McCain beating Obama or Clinton 75/25, there would be a real problem. At this point, there are political lifetimes between here and November -- As we've seen, since the same HRC posters neglect to point out that the same Gallup/Rasmussen polls had Obama at an all-time high just last Thursday, and with all-time differentials before that.

Posted by: James | Mar 18, 2008 3:00:27 AM

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