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Kos: Clinton Doesn't Deserve 'Fairness'
March 17, 2008 2:27 PM
After a number of pro-Hillary Clinton diarists staged a boycott of the influential liberal website DailyKos, Markos "Kos" Moulitsas himself this morning posted his explanation as to why he's been hostile to her candidacy.
The reasons are substantive -- Clinton is a member of the DLC leadership, she "hasn't just rejected a 50-state strategy, she has openly attacked it," she voted to authorize use of force against Iraq, she voted in favor of that Kyl-Lieberman Iran resolution, she takes money from lobbyists and PACs, Barack Obama has the support of grass roots activists, among other reasons.
"But I could deal with all of that, really, if Clinton was headed toward victory," Kos writes. "I see this as a long-term movement, and I've always expected setbacks along the way. Clinton isn't the most horrible person in the world. She's actually quite nice, despite all her flaws, and would make a fine enough president. If she was winning. But she's not, and that's the rub.
"First of all, the only path to victory for Clinton is via coup by super delegate. She knows this. That's why there's all the talk about poaching pledged delegates and spinning uncertainty around Michigan and Florida, and laying the case for super delegates to discard the popular will and stage a coup. Yet a coup by super delegate would sunder the party in civil war. Clinton knows this, it's her only path to victory, and she doesn't care. She is willing -- nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power. If the situations were reversed, and Obama was lagging in the delegates, popular vote, states won, money raised, and every other reasonable measure, then I'd feel the same way about Obama. (I pulled the plug early on Dean in 2004.) But that's not the case.
"It is Clinton, with no reasonable chance of victory, who is fomenting civil war in order to overturn the will of the Democratic electorate. As such, as far as I'm concerned, she doesn't deserve 'fairness' on this site. .."
It goes on from there. Read it, it's interesting.
- jpt
March 17, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (135)
Kos doesn't know it yet, but DailyKos is going out of business.
Since when is it evil to have 2 candidates?
Posted by: Anne | Mar 28, 2008 5:57:30 AM
Big surprise. DailyKos has been running a persistent extremely negative anti-Hillary campaign. Rank and reeking rumours, blaming Hillary for every misstep Obama makes.
Nice to know the cat is finally out of the bag, and I hope Kos reports each and every penny that has been used, under the umbrella of a "liberal" blog to raise money for Obama.
A political campaign for a single person does not constitute a movement. It is a cult.
Posted by: SantaMonicaJoe | Mar 21, 2008 10:14:51 PM
The only house that is being burned down is Obama's and he set the fire. I can no longer abide by the foolish rhetoric on this blog of misogynists. A convenient liar is none the less a liar. Have fun.
Posted by: Cat | Mar 20, 2008 2:57:43 PM
How long will the dimocratic party allow Hillary Clinton to divide the party for no good reason ? It's not like she going to win. I could not beleive she said Macain would be a better commander a cheif becuse he has more experince than Obama. The only problem with that is he also has more than Mrs. Clinton
Posted by: a democrat | Mar 20, 2008 8:13:53 AM
Obama makes me ill.
His 'slash and burn, ends justify the means' arrogant, self-centered behavior is disgusting.
I'm on the right side of things; which is why I'm a progressive; but obama is not acting very progressive. He's fullfilling and confirming every last damn suspicion of the Right.
NO OBAMA!!!!!
Posted by: Josh | Mar 19, 2008 5:16:20 PM
I get the feeling from reading the blogs sometimes ...and of course from reading, the not-so-mainstream media these days that Hillary is somehow UnAmerican or evil for running for president. She is supposed to not be a candidate because Obama is ahead....neither can win without superdelegates....
Has the American brand become ..."Give it up for the one that is ahead"
I have serious doubts that Obama can win 51% of the vote. I saw his beautiful speech.
I mourn for Ferraro who has been ruined by a powerful combination of a willing press and a manipulative Obama campaign, and her own inability to back down...I am truly sad for this church and it's flawed minister. Obama never stood up to the most evil and untrue teachings or tried to "heal' this church. Now he will try to heal America.
All speeches aside....this is one time that I'm not terribly pleased with my Democratic Party. But then that's politics after all.
Posted by: Jackie | Mar 18, 2008 9:23:47 PM
Viva Kos. You are right on.
We have had it with 30 years of the Clinton expierience.....it's clear that the people want change through Obama.
Posted by: Shirl | Mar 18, 2008 3:16:09 PM
As far as I'm concerned, the democratic party has already decided that their rules are more important than including the votes from voters in 2 states. The fact that Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot and not be counted in Michigan's voting was his decision. When the party rules take precedence over the will of the voters in those states, the party needs to take accountability for their actions. The voters are the ones who lose here because their votes don't count. If the reverse were true and Obama won those states, I guarantee you he'd be fighting to get those delegates included.
Posted by: dt | Mar 18, 2008 3:00:02 PM
has everyone forgotten -Exelon Corp. The largest nuclear plant in the country.(in the state of Illinois)
The corporation that donated several hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Obama campaign. The Nuclear Information Release Bill that Obama sponsored yet watered it down to suit the Exelon Corp.Obama was the major sponsor of that Bill.
Again, how forgetful one's memory becomes to suit their cause.
Obama took lobbyist money from this corporation.
Who said Obama doesn't take money from lobbyist.
Research and find more of the lobbyist money he has taken
Posted by: ktow | Mar 18, 2008 1:33:01 PM
We all know that Hillary supported the resolution that ultimately was used to authorize war -- bad on her, and its hurt her immeasurably with the "progressive" wing of the Democrats. But as repeated over and over, Obama, once in the Senate, never voted against a bill to continue funding for the war, and on Kyl-Lieberman his vote was. . .absent. As for the superdelegates, their job is to pick the candidate who, in the exercise of their best judgment, has the best chance of winning the election in November, not to blindly follow "the will of the people," especially in a close race like this. If Hillary wins big in PA and has a strong showing in the other upcoming primaries, while she may not have a majority of delegates, she certainly can make a credible case that she's the best candidate to win in November. Of course a lot can happen between now and the convention, including how serious the repercussions are from the Wright/Obama matter. Right now the controversy shows no signs of dying down. Will Obama put it to bed in his PA speech? We'll see.
Posted by: shellray | Mar 18, 2008 12:55:18 PM
i feel if barack set in church fir 20years a nd cant remember what the preacher said he has a very poor memory and is not qulified to be president.
Posted by: mary powell | Mar 18, 2008 10:57:40 AM
Hillary is in the race to Spoil it for Obama,she already said if she do not win then McCain would be a better president.This women basically sold out the Dem party.This makes me feel she is not a true Dem at heart. The good thing about this primary season was that Americans really got to see the true character of this women,which fits with her high neg ratings. Kos is right she doesn't deserve fairness,simply because she does not know the meaning of the word.
Posted by: merle7 | Mar 18, 2008 10:48:29 AM
All the arguments that Kos presents in order to support seems fradulant. First, it not only Hillary 74% of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq in the beggning. Super delegates should and supposed to act on their own, that's why they were made that way. There's no conspiracy!Kos, you candidate Barak accepted contributions from lobbyists and other iinfluence peddlers. Mr. Obama used to accept private jets flights from big corporations until very recently. Tony Rezko is a long time friend and fund raiser for Sen. Barak Obama. Few days ago Mr. Obama himself finally acknowledged as much as $250,000 was contributed by Rezko to his campaign. Tony Rezko 52, is a Syrian immigrant who became a property developer and political fixer in Chicago. He is accused of using an accomplice on two state boards to demand kickbacks from companies that sought to do business with the state. Mr Rezko has known Mr Obama since 1990 and was one of the earliest fundraisers for his political career. ABC news reported that Mr. Rezko received about 100 Million worth of property housing project deals from the district that Mr. Obama represented. The two also became entwined in a controversial property deal in 2005, a year after Mr Obama was elected to the US Senate, in which the Obamas bought a mock-Georgian home and Mr Rezko's wife bought the adjoining garden. “When Sen. Barack Obama decided to buy a stately $1.65 million home last year on Chicago’s South Side, Tony Rezko and his wife wasted no time. The same day the Obamas closed on the house, the Rezkos closed on the purchase of the adjoining vacant lot, which once was the estate’s lush side yard.” Chicago Tribune said. The Obamas bought their house for more than quarter of a million dollars less than the market price. Prosecutors claim that Mr Rezko effectively controlled decisions by the Teachers Retirement System, which manages Illinois teachers' $30 billion pension fund, and the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board, which must approve all building permits involving hospitals. A longtime friend and fundraiser of Barack Obama is now threatening to derail the Democratic front-runner's presidential campaign, although Mr. Obama now renounces his long time buddy; Tony Rezko and calls his dealings with Rezko, “A bone-headed mistake!”Say no more KOS, we understand! We feel sorry for your lack of ablity to reason. Fairness and like democracy is an Anglo-American sensibility! Such concepts are deeply rooted in culture and upbringing and education. Although I feel sorry for you and what you lack as a person, but good education can help you overcome your inadequacy! I am so glad you are not supporting Hillary Clinton! Hillary 08!
Posted by: charleschaplin | Mar 18, 2008 10:22:49 AM
Self-appointed, self-righteousness is a difficult and risky stance in this day and time. Pundits have been announcing the outcome of this campaign since before the candidates announced their candidacy. To date they have been wrong,really wrong.
The daily Kos is ticked because “Hillary isn’t …;or won’t …; and she will lose”. This conduct is nothing more that a little boy “fit”. I see small curled fists and small feet slamming against the floor. She won’t quit, I hate her, I hate her… sorry that was Chris Matthews some time ago.
The often cited, “Hillary can’t win!” mantra is largely ignored by those of us who know better. However, this repetitive statement seems to meet the needs of the spoiled boy media who just can’t quite figure out why this “woman” won’t stop, quit, give up, go away….
It’s not over. The media doesn’t know better than the rest of us. The media does not elect the president, unless we let them. This is just the beginning of a close look at Obama and a variety of other issues.
Kos and the rest of the boys need to take a break and relax and let the rest of us make up our minds based on the facts and the candidates statements as we see and hear them.
Posted by: AmazonTraveler | Mar 18, 2008 10:08:58 AM
People so out of wack like KOS supporting Barak Obama, in the name of CHANGE, I want Hillary Clinton in the White House more than ever, if for nothing else but to clean up this sort of trash littering America!
Posted by: charleschaplin | Mar 18, 2008 9:47:59 AM
IF you like the way the Democrats created their electoral system, wait until they get their hands on the top spot in the government. Expect more convoluted systems that create distance between the government and the governed and poor results.
Posted by: Blueice | Mar 18, 2008 6:43:32 AM
Hey guys,
We're making some ads and thought it'd be a great idea to reach across the aisles to our brethrens on the left. Would any of those approving and supporting Rev. Wright and Obama's 20-year relationship with this man like to make an appearance in our ads?
We guarantee you'll have complete freedom to express your righteous conviction that all whites living in America today should feel forever guilt-ridden and thus morally obligated to welcome the racism and hatred that is directed at them by all groups that have historically suffered.
And that terrorist attacks like 9/11 are events that serve to absolve the privileged white people of their historical sins by giving them the opportunity to experience cruel suffering and loss themselves.
Also that it is indeed a sign of a generous, liberal consciousness on the part of enlightened white folks to accept the extremist racial ideology, however factually false they may be, that things like AIDS and crack cocaine were invented as instruments of genocide against African Americans.
I think these are all wonderfully inspiring messages that we all would just die to unite around!
Thanks and see you in November!
Love you guys, and oh, those Obama chants are just music to my ears!
K. Rove
Posted by: Bartlebybickle | Mar 18, 2008 3:55:57 AM
james, you are right about the long time between now and november. much can happen. that is NOT in obama's favor, as he can expect his numbers to drop as he continues to be exposed. nevertheless, some of us are responding with current polling information, to clear up any misconceptions by those who are putting out selective and false information.
re last week's high ratings for obama - yes. but dropping rapidly since the wright thing became public.
Posted by: so saddened | Mar 18, 2008 3:16:21 AM
vanessa, i keep reading your posts and wondering if your college will give you a refund. (i know you claim to be 17, but your incessant posting belies that - what responsible parent would allow their teenager to be up in the middle of the night doing this, night after night...)
re polls, there are many out there. some are trustworthy, some are not. for instance, zogby has quite a reputation, not a good one (and ties to obama). cnn and msnbc have made their opinions more than clear - and polls are only as good as the pollsters. also, methodology matters - internet polls are completely worthless, for obvious reasons. questions can be, and are, skewed to elicit the desired results, etc., etc.
anyone with any education knows that to selectively choose only the numbers that support your position is intellectually dishonest. btw, pollsters generally make their methodology and questions available. a little research, plus a little educated analysis is often very revealing.
i say all of this in the hope that, despite your obvious commitment to supporting obama no matter what, at some point in the future you might be open to objective analysis. if not, sorry to hear it.
Posted by: so saddened | Mar 18, 2008 3:10:19 AM
I love it. For 6 weeks, Obama beats Clinton in 95% of the polls versus McCain. The day he slips behind, the entire Clinton crowd comes running out with, "look at the polls, look at the polls".
How about the SUSA state-by-state matchups?
A poll this early means very little. If the poll showed McCain beating Obama or Clinton 75/25, there would be a real problem. At this point, there are political lifetimes between here and November -- As we've seen, since the same HRC posters neglect to point out that the same Gallup/Rasmussen polls had Obama at an all-time high just last Thursday, and with all-time differentials before that.
Posted by: James | Mar 18, 2008 3:00:27 AM
downhill, the change back up in the rcp average is because cnn all of a sudden comes out with a pseudo-poll showing obama up big. zogby did the same thing in california, to try to create an impression that his guy (obama) was winning and try to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. that's what the corrupt ones do. it doesn't make it real. if you want real info, read real polls.
Posted by: so saddened | Mar 18, 2008 2:55:06 AM
The sad part is that Kos and others can not be bothered to question why Obama TOOK PAC and special interest and lobbyist money (and Rezko money) for all his past campaigns including his US Senate race and why he does not take the money now as well as actually callling BULLSHIT on the "i don't take lobbyists money" when Obama does but as long as the person is not a "federal registered lobbyist"
Posted by: Eric | Mar 18, 2008 1:16:01 AM
Kos is a shill. He's a self important air head with a potty mouth. As a christian, it's disconcerting to hear the words they use over there. Grow up, Kos. You shouldn't have to use curse words every other word in order to point something out. There is a way to speak and make yourself sound intelligent. That is by not using those words.
Posted by: Chadwick | Mar 18, 2008 12:44:06 AM
According to rasmussed, Obama has lost his lead against Mc Cain. He has lost 5% nationally since last Thursday.
According to RealClearPolitics, on a national level, Mc Cain wins over Obama and loses to Hillary.
And this has just started. Obama's numbers have nowhere to go but down.
Posted by: soopermouse | Mar 17, 2008 11:53:25 PM
Marie Marie
I learned this by using the internets and The Google, but the key search term is "(118-0)". This is the margin that the measure passed in da House.
Apparently 2 state senators voted against it.
Won't post a weblink because it is frowned upon here.
But also you research posted earlier today seems to indicate it the Hacks in Tallahasse would have just held off for JUST 7 days all would have been well.
These people should be held accountable for their malfeasance.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 17, 2008 11:25:03 PM
Kos may think Hillary doesn't have a chance, but he should take a look at Obama! Wright's resounding condemnation--- "God damn America" is Obama's death knell, wringing in our collective ear.
It did not have to be this way.
Obama chose the Reverend; the Reverend chose his words; words matter and choices bear consequences.
Who among us believes that America created HIV/AIDS? That America is to blame for 9/11? That America deserves God's damnation rather than God's blessing? These are the teachings of Obama's spiritual mentor!
Obama says he did not know. His claim on innocent ignorance defies credibility.
What we have in Obama is a man with disturbing beliefs who is willing to lie about them to gain the Presidency of the United States.
What is his agenda?
Posted by: NJH | Mar 17, 2008 11:15:16 PM
Its time to face facts. More people have supported OBAMA over Hillary. OBAMA is the true front runner even the super delegates are realizing it. They gave Hillary all the time in the world to catch up. More time than any other candidate but the people spoke otherwise. Even Republicans were instructed to vote for her because they think she is easier to beat and yet OBAMA still came out on top. It has been decided. Lets move on.
Posted by: John Jamison | Mar 17, 2008 11:00:36 PM
Gee, I hate to get back on topic here, but: Kos never pretended to be the New York Times. He's got his constituency, and he's sticking to it. He says stuff that needs to be said about the DLC and their girl. He'd be crazy to let Hillary bloggers turn the web site into some kind of op-ed page managed with pretend neutrality and balance. As he points out, that brand of even-handedness has led the MSM into the alternate reality of the Clinton campaign, which insists that, facts be damned, this race is a dead heat.
Posted by: phillygirl | Mar 17, 2008 10:53:07 PM
No she won't
Posted by: American9 | Mar 17, 2008 10:03:40 PM
Well I guess you have to at least give Kos credit, he's doesn't pretend to be fair like the rest of the media, at least he's honest about his bias. The rest have hated Clinton from Day One, shall we say, but pretended to be fair. It took a comedienne to shame them into doing their job. Their complacency and bias got us in this mess with the pastor, if they would've done their job back in January we'd have a nominee by now, instead we're almost stuck with a surefire general election loser. But I guess this mess sells papers too. Congrats to the MSM and the democrats, you figured out a way to make a complete mess of what should have been a no-brainer cake walk to the White House. Maybe Wright is right, this country does suck just not for the reasons he thinks.
Posted by: fred | Mar 17, 2008 8:56:38 PM
More than likely, Hillary will have the lead in the popular vote even if she doesn't catch up in the delagate count. To me the person who got the most votes should be just as important as who got the most delagates. If you look at a state primary, they always declare the person who got the most votes the winner.
I got an email today about Hillary supporters boycotting msnbc. Besides their biased coverage (people are calling it the Obama network)they now have a spot on their home page where obama is registering voters. Over the line! I am participating in the boycott, please join us!
Posted by: rob | Mar 17, 2008 8:51:16 PM
Commander Guy wrote:
"All the FL state Dems played along with and actually approved the scheme to Change the date.
I think the final vote was something like 196-2 in favor of flouting the rules.
So FL dems have a remedy. Throw the Bums out!"
Is that right?? Why the heck did they do that?? What could ever be gained?? Enlighten me! That is simply crazy!!
Posted by: marie | Mar 17, 2008 8:51:07 PM
Marie, Marie
All the FL state Dems played along with and actually approved the scheme to Change the date.
I think the final vote was something like 196-2 in favor of flouting the rules.
So FL dems have a remedy. Throw the Bums out!
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 17, 2008 8:37:53 PM
If I was a democrat in Florida, I would vote Republican.
Posted by: Kansas | Mar 17, 2008 8:26:27 PM
Well, what to say about this Markos "Kos" Moulitsas?
So he says Clinton has "no reasonable chance of victory"?
And that she's "eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power"?
Thu guy is right of course, but what's the issue here?
Posted by: Hunter | Mar 17, 2008 8:18:10 PM
Democrat,
I, too, am horrifed by what has happened in Florida with their Republican state legislature actually orchestrating the date so that Florida Democratic voters in the primaries would not be counted.
Now that should be a call to arms for all Democrats. It should not matter whether you support Obama or Clinton. It is wrong! It is corrupt! It is certainly not democratic!
Posted by: marie | Mar 17, 2008 8:17:23 PM
Democrat posted:
"But I just saw DCVoter declare that he would for McCain (Thurman's 'third Bush term') if Hillary wouldn't get the nomination"
That doesn't make DCVoter a bad person. it means he is very angry. LOL. I have friends who are Republicans and think John McCain is the cat's meow. We just can't talk politics. LOL The truth is the platforms of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are not that far apart. We all know that. I am deeply troubled by Rev. Wright's racist rantings and Obama's closeness to the man for such along time. As I posted on another Political Punch thread, I think this is still Baraack Obama going through his racial identity crisis as he profiled in his own books. It is playing out now, unfortunately on the political stage. What is it that his sister Maya has said about him? He walks in two differnt worlds. Yes, he does. I still want ot get a psychoanalysts interpretation of this man. I cannot figure him out!
Posted by: marie | Mar 17, 2008 8:11:35 PM
Ok you knee-jerk Obama supporters have you really listended to your "messiah's" rhetoric. We are going to solve our economic problems by giving tax breaks to the middle class and take tax breaks away from the elites. We are going to spend the money (which Bush has insanely borrowed from the Chinese and the Saudis) wasted in Iraq on our "infrastructure"..no new taxes, no sacrifices we will just take our "overdrafts" and apply it to bridges, roads and of course health-care. Hillary may have some pie in the sky also but she is more specific in dealing with the mortgage crisis and other key segments of the economy. You are in love with the "idea" of Obama and not Obama's "ideas. If you want to atone for your "white" guilt about all the evils done to Black Americans do some work out in the community rather than give Mccain a free ride with an opponent who is not ready for "prime time".
Posted by: Howard Phillips | Mar 17, 2008 7:43:43 PM
marie,
I got that e-mail as well. I feel very sorry for all Florida Democrats.
Karen Thurman writes: 'The last thing America needs is a third Bush term.'
One would suppose that to THE issue every Democrat agrees on.
But I just saw DCVoter declare that he would for McCain (Thurman's 'third Bush term') if Hillary wouldn't get the nomination.
I'm truly shocked by such a statement, for I know how many people in this country cannot afford to have another Republican President in office for four more years. There's true despair in our country, a lot of families simply need help and they need it soon. I can't or maybe don't want to believe that Democrats would favor the GOP over the opponent of their nominee of choice, be it Hillary or Obama.
Posted by: Democrat | Mar 17, 2008 7:35:38 PM
I guess Kos just proved the point of Clinton Bloggers that went out on strike.
Posted by: Joan | Mar 17, 2008 7:02:28 PM
DCVoter, you write:
"The RCP average has now turned in Clintons favor nationally 7/10 of a percent."
But it has already turned in Obama's favor again.
Cheers!
Posted by: DownHill | Mar 17, 2008 6:46:14 PM
In fact, things are looking even better by the numbers. WSJ and Newsweek polls are showing Clinton taking a lead in the dem race and would beat McCain. It will be interesting to see what the polls will show next week.
Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 17, 2008 6:38:57 PM
Vanessa - you need to get out more. A lawsuit has been filed by a FL delegate against the state democratic committee and the DNC.
Also, since you like to quote polls:
The RCP average has now turned in Clintons favor nationally 7/10 of a percent. That is a huge change over the last two weeks even though it is still a virtual tie.
The USA Today poll out today has Clinton beating both Obama and McCain.
Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 17, 2008 6:35:05 PM
Vanessa's happy people lose their opportunity to vote
Posted by: blindersoff | Mar 17, 2008 6:11:59 PM
fact is, Hillary leads Obama by a million votes when looking at the primaries.
kind of begs the argument about who is winning the "popular" vote
we all know the caucuses are controlled by the group with the most activists, something Obama has been very good at
but in my experience, activists rarely reflect the face of middle america
Posted by: lnab | Mar 17, 2008 6:10:54 PM
I HAVE GOOD NEWS...
FLORIDA WILL NOT HAVE A RE-VOTE
Posted by: Vanessa | Mar 17, 2008 5:49:07 PM
Seems to me that would make Kos the functional equivalent of a 527. Axelrod's agency has AstroTurfing expertise; maybe somebody should try to find out if Axelrod is financing any part of the Kos operation?
Posted by: lambert strether | Mar 17, 2008 5:36:00 PM
DIA,
This isn't about HILLARY CLINTON. It is about fundamental DEMOCRACY. DO you really believe for one minute that the DEMOCRATIC PARTY is going to disenfranchise Florida and exclude their votes? That would be phenomenally stupid. What would happen in fall election? This isn't about what HILLARY CLINTON wants, its about what DEMOCRATS require, deserve, and will get. Let's COUNT ALL DEMOCRAT votes. Not just the ones that KOS wants, not just the ones that DIA wants, and not just the ones that VANESSA wants. This is DEMOCRACY by GOD!
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 17, 2008 5:34:26 PM
DIA
1. Why did the elections in FL and MI get preponed?
2. Who ran campaign ads in FL?
Posted by: MattOhio | Mar 17, 2008 5:33:05 PM
Vanessa,
CNN consistently gets it wrong. How do you explain all the polls that magically get reversed on election day?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 17, 2008 5:28:50 PM
WestCoastMessenger,
What???
You obviously making no sense right now. This is a NATIONAL POLL, not a poll for Georgia. CNN surveyed people for different states that's why it's a NATIONAL POLL.
oh wow
If it was primarily based in Georgia, the margin would have been MUCH larger (AA population).
Just take it like it is. Hillary is losing again.
Posted by: Vanessa | Mar 17, 2008 5:26:59 PM
DIA,
I take it you don't want to count the rest of the Democratic votes? Do you call yourself a Democrat?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 17, 2008 5:23:52 PM
Vanessa,
Let's assume for a minute that the poll was taken today. Then I have to look at the bias of the pollster. CNN is based in Atlanta, Georgia. A CNN people, walking around the city of Atlanta, a city with a substantial African-American population, is going to reflect an Obama bias. This is just reality. How do you explain all the mysterious polls that get reversed when there is an actual vote. The time has come to COUNT all the DEMOCRAT VOTES, past, present, and future.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 17, 2008 5:22:36 PM
ITS HILARIOUS THAT YOU CLINTON SUPPORTERS THOUGHT SHE HAD IT IN THE BAG, SHE'S LOSING IN EVERY CATEGORY. HAD IT GONE HER WAY, SHE WOULD BE SPITTING AT OBAMA FOR STAYING IN THE RACE, JUST LIKE MCCAIN DID HUCKABEE. (LMAO!!!!!!!GIVE UP MONSTER!
Posted by: DIA | Mar 17, 2008 5:19:20 PM
Texas Voter,
What planet have you been on? The scorching has been strongly opinionated people, either supporting OBAMA or posing as OBAMA supporters, attacking HILLARY CLINTON, lacking any factual arguments, just based on conjecture, superstition, and 1990's Republican card tricks. I'm hearing the CLINTON camp argue with logic, facts, rationale, and patience. Read it however you want, but there is grave misperception somewhere.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 17, 2008 5:19:19 PM
I was watching CNN and that EXACTLY what it said. That's why I went to their websites to report back here. It was taken today.
Posted by: Vanessa | Mar 17, 2008 5:18:13 PM
Doreen,
You expressed an opinion without any supporting facts. I could call you power hungry, makes about as much sense.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 17, 2008 5:15:13 PM
I am an Obama supporter, and if Hillary should win I will not vote for the power hungry woman. My famil and I will sit out this general election.
Posted by: Doreen | Mar 17, 2008 5:04:17 PM
Mike
The first rule in politics is to able to influence people. If Hillary is able to influence Superdelegate's between June and the Convention to get the nomination, she deserves the nomination. Dont you think so?
Posted by: MattOhio | Mar 17, 2008 5:01:03 PM
The Hillary supporters here think she's been treated unfairly. The Obama supporters think that they've been treated unfairly. The Hillary supporters say their voices weren't hear din the caucuses. The Obama supporters say that Hillary supporters had every chance to show up at the caucuses. The Hillary supporters think that they can beat John McCain because of experience. The Obama supporters think that Hillary can't win on the experience issue 'cos John McCain just has so much more of it.
That beguiles the point of the article!!
The fact is, Hillary is in a position where she has a 5% chance of winning, and only by a coup of the superdelegates against the popular will. Any other candidate would have dropped out by now, if only for the good and unity of the party. Yet, she is still in there... with a campaign that has become increasingly dirty against a fellow democrat. That is the point Markos was trying to make, and, as usual, falls on deaf ears in the Hillary camp.
Face it, her campaign blew it! She had all the advantages coming in, and the only reason she's even hanging in there is because her campaign has gone dirty, hurting the Democratic Party as a whole. The last point is a reality that the superdelegates cannot ignore, which i probably why not one superdelegate has come towards Clinton since February 5th.
Posted by: Mike | Mar 17, 2008 4:56:38 PM
It is amazing to see the democrats go after each other. I will make a prediction: If Hillary wins, most of Obama's support will go to her. If Obama wins, most of Hillary's support will go to him. After all you want a democrat to win so badly. Let us also not forget that the democrats have been motivated to go to the polls in much greater numbers than the republicans. I don't know who they are calling up for these polls, but I believe the republicans will loose across the board come election time.
Posted by: antenian | Mar 17, 2008 4:53:42 PM
Again and again and again -
The obama cult follower have to bash Hillary Clinton. All the garbage drops out of obama's bags and it is Hillary's fault.
Wow - a true cult leader with a mass of cult followers.
Drop out obama - do the USA a great favor and just drop out of this race and the TRUE AMERICANS will have the right candidates and a true election.
Drop out obama
Then go and caucus with the Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the governor of Massachusetts, Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry
Please drop out.
Posted by: Lou | Mar 17, 2008 4:48:00 PM
My point is, Obama is beating both Hillary and McCain in every poll.
This news was directed to the Hillary supporters who wished to know the effect of the Rev. Wright situation to the Obama campaign.
I just delivered the news.
Posted by: Vanessa | Mar 17, 2008 4:43:23 PM
Yet another example of the Clinton scorched earth campaign. They've already lost the nomination, but if they can't have it, they will either try to stage a coup or destroy the Democratic Party forever by trying.
Want proof? Just scroll up and look at all the venom and vitriol coming from the Clinton Cult members. This isn't discourse, it's character assassination at it's most base. It is also very, very, very, VERY sad to read.
Posted by: Texas Voter | Mar 17, 2008 4:42:13 PM
Vanessa-Are you reading Daily Kos polls? My entire point is, I can find any poll I wish.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 17, 2008 4:40:02 PM
Are Hillary supporters blind too???
Look under Obama name, it says, 49.
Look under McCain name, it say, 47.
My God.
Posted by: Vanessa | Mar 17, 2008 4:39:26 PM
Obama is confident that Hillary supporters will support him and not vice versa.
Obama is confident of winning the nomination.
Obama thinks he can beat McCain.
Now if you share his confidence, why bother crying for Hillary to quit? After all, Obama is the great uniter and all of hillary's supporters will support him anyway. There's no cause to worry that her continued race will tear the party apart.
In fact, I'll go so far as to say, what better way for him to define himself? A diamond needs to be cut for it to shine.
Posted by: QQMOAR | Mar 17, 2008 4:38:13 PM
COUNT all DEMOCRATS!!! Anything less is offensive. The KOS MAFIA is acting offensively.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 17, 2008 4:30:56 PM
VANESSA,
I checked that link and it does not say when the poll was taken, nor its margin of error, sloppy reporting. Fortunately, we rely on the voters not the polls to make decisions. COUNT ALL THE VOTES!! By the way, the polls have been mysteriously slanted towards Obama even in cases where Hillary prevailed, cases in point, Ohio, Texas, New Hampshire, Arizona, and Nevada, to name a few.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 17, 2008 4:27:00 PM
It's clear that the Obama people think Hillary Clinton doesn't deserve fairness by the way they've lied about her and disparaged her accomplishments. Being someone who embraces democratic values because I believe in fairness, this was a major repellent. When I saw how ugly it was, I turned off Obama to the point I would not vote for him in a general election. I would not vote for McCain either so my vote would have to go to Nader. Who knew?
Posted by: hopeful1 | Mar 17, 2008 4:25:18 PM
So lets get this right...why are we assuming that Obama will be leading in Popular Vote and Delegates by June? Why do KOS, Pelosi, Obamatons and Obama think they have wrapped this up?
Here is a reminder for all the dreaming Obamatons, there is something called Voting that needs to be completed and we have a long way to go.
Last time I checked, Obama was stammering on National TV about his Race and Money laundering scandals with Crazy Uncles Rezko and Wright.
Posted by: MattOhio | Mar 17, 2008 4:24:56 PM
antenian says: My guess is that Obama has a good chance against McCain. McCain wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years if that is what it takes. He also is belligerent towards Iran. I don't think many folks are going to go for that language come election time.
You make a good point antenian, I just have a feeling that the preacher problem will just get worse for Obama in the general election. It really surprised me to see that Obama would have this man as his pastor and it raises questions for me, and I wonder which way other Independents will go. I would definitely vote for Hillary over McCain, but if it's between Obama and McCain I may just stay home.
Posted by: traci | Mar 17, 2008 4:21:55 PM
NEWS NEWS NEWS
Many Hillary supporters wanted to know what affect the Rev. Wright story would have on Obama.
Apparently, his lead has broaden. In a poll today. Democrats favor Obama over Clinton 45-38.
This is great news. Obama addressing this tomorrow will definitely help tommorow and it's free advertisement.
Posted by: Vanessa | Mar 17, 2008 4:15:54 PM
Daily Kos is the FAR LEFT wing of the democratic party, which essentially is the Obama wing of the party. And Daily Kos has stated that Clinton doesn't deserve fairness. Which is exactly what the Obama supporters are repeating in their own blogs. This, in my opinion, is the ultimate selling of ones soul for expediency over truth. For I believe when truth is comprised then neither Daily Kos nor Obama can possibly benefit because everything about Obama and his campaign is now suspect.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 17, 2008 4:14:41 PM
Who said it is a movement you all have was it Kos and MSM wow we should just believe it right. To bad the whole party wasn't told about your so called movement you take relic's from the party and call it a movement .
Posted by: Bishop | Mar 17, 2008 4:09:32 PM
traci - My guess is that Obama has a good chance against McCain. McCain wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years if that is what it takes. He also is belligerent towards Iran. I don't think many folks are going to go for that language come election time. I am an independent who does not support Obama, Clinton or McCain so I am just telling it like I see it. I am writing in Ron Paul who has no chance.
Posted by: antenian | Mar 17, 2008 4:06:10 PM
Before the preacher incident I would have said Obama could definitely beat McCain, but now he will not win the general election, the democrats are going to screw themselves if they have Obama as their nominee. You are going to regret not backing Hillary.
Posted by: traci | Mar 17, 2008 4:01:04 PM
WestCoastMessenger - Yes I do believe that many small donors like myself, don't know about you, should carry more weight than a single large PAC donor. I also believe that an overwhelming majority of democrats can afford to give at least a nickel to a campaign to show there support if they choose to. Unfortunately a nickel isn't what it used to be, just ask that Paul character.
Posted by: antenian | Mar 17, 2008 3:56:09 PM