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Kos: Clinton Doesn't Deserve 'Fairness'
March 17, 2008 2:27 PM
After a number of pro-Hillary Clinton diarists staged a boycott of the influential liberal website DailyKos, Markos "Kos" Moulitsas himself this morning posted his explanation as to why he's been hostile to her candidacy.
The reasons are substantive -- Clinton is a member of the DLC leadership, she "hasn't just rejected a 50-state strategy, she has openly attacked it," she voted to authorize use of force against Iraq, she voted in favor of that Kyl-Lieberman Iran resolution, she takes money from lobbyists and PACs, Barack Obama has the support of grass roots activists, among other reasons.
"But I could deal with all of that, really, if Clinton was headed toward victory," Kos writes. "I see this as a long-term movement, and I've always expected setbacks along the way. Clinton isn't the most horrible person in the world. She's actually quite nice, despite all her flaws, and would make a fine enough president. If she was winning. But she's not, and that's the rub.
"First of all, the only path to victory for Clinton is via coup by super delegate. She knows this. That's why there's all the talk about poaching pledged delegates and spinning uncertainty around Michigan and Florida, and laying the case for super delegates to discard the popular will and stage a coup. Yet a coup by super delegate would sunder the party in civil war. Clinton knows this, it's her only path to victory, and she doesn't care. She is willing -- nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power. If the situations were reversed, and Obama was lagging in the delegates, popular vote, states won, money raised, and every other reasonable measure, then I'd feel the same way about Obama. (I pulled the plug early on Dean in 2004.) But that's not the case.
"It is Clinton, with no reasonable chance of victory, who is fomenting civil war in order to overturn the will of the Democratic electorate. As such, as far as I'm concerned, she doesn't deserve 'fairness' on this site. .."
It goes on from there. Read it, it's interesting.
- jpt
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downhill, the change back up in the rcp average is because cnn all of a sudden comes out with a pseudo-poll showing obama up big. zogby did the same thing in california, to try to create an impression that his guy (obama) was winning and try to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. that's what the corrupt ones do. it doesn't make it real. if you want real info, read real polls.
Posted by: so saddened | Mar 18, 2008 2:55:06 AM
The sad part is that Kos and others can not be bothered to question why Obama TOOK PAC and special interest and lobbyist money (and Rezko money) for all his past campaigns including his US Senate race and why he does not take the money now as well as actually callling BULLSHIT on the "i don't take lobbyists money" when Obama does but as long as the person is not a "federal registered lobbyist"
Posted by: Eric | Mar 18, 2008 1:16:01 AM
Kos is a shill. He's a self important air head with a potty mouth. As a christian, it's disconcerting to hear the words they use over there. Grow up, Kos. You shouldn't have to use curse words every other word in order to point something out. There is a way to speak and make yourself sound intelligent. That is by not using those words.
Posted by: Chadwick | Mar 18, 2008 12:44:06 AM
According to rasmussed, Obama has lost his lead against Mc Cain. He has lost 5% nationally since last Thursday.
According to RealClearPolitics, on a national level, Mc Cain wins over Obama and loses to Hillary.
And this has just started. Obama's numbers have nowhere to go but down.
Posted by: soopermouse | Mar 17, 2008 11:53:25 PM
Marie Marie
I learned this by using the internets and The Google, but the key search term is "(118-0)". This is the margin that the measure passed in da House.
Apparently 2 state senators voted against it.
Won't post a weblink because it is frowned upon here.
But also you research posted earlier today seems to indicate it the Hacks in Tallahasse would have just held off for JUST 7 days all would have been well.
These people should be held accountable for their malfeasance.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 17, 2008 11:25:03 PM
Kos may think Hillary doesn't have a chance, but he should take a look at Obama! Wright's resounding condemnation--- "God damn America" is Obama's death knell, wringing in our collective ear.
It did not have to be this way.
Obama chose the Reverend; the Reverend chose his words; words matter and choices bear consequences.
Who among us believes that America created HIV/AIDS? That America is to blame for 9/11? That America deserves God's damnation rather than God's blessing? These are the teachings of Obama's spiritual mentor!
Obama says he did not know. His claim on innocent ignorance defies credibility.
What we have in Obama is a man with disturbing beliefs who is willing to lie about them to gain the Presidency of the United States.
What is his agenda?
Posted by: NJH | Mar 17, 2008 11:15:16 PM
Its time to face facts. More people have supported OBAMA over Hillary. OBAMA is the true front runner even the super delegates are realizing it. They gave Hillary all the time in the world to catch up. More time than any other candidate but the people spoke otherwise. Even Republicans were instructed to vote for her because they think she is easier to beat and yet OBAMA still came out on top. It has been decided. Lets move on.
Posted by: John Jamison | Mar 17, 2008 11:00:36 PM
Gee, I hate to get back on topic here, but: Kos never pretended to be the New York Times. He's got his constituency, and he's sticking to it. He says stuff that needs to be said about the DLC and their girl. He'd be crazy to let Hillary bloggers turn the web site into some kind of op-ed page managed with pretend neutrality and balance. As he points out, that brand of even-handedness has led the MSM into the alternate reality of the Clinton campaign, which insists that, facts be damned, this race is a dead heat.
Posted by: phillygirl | Mar 17, 2008 10:53:07 PM
No she won't
Posted by: American9 | Mar 17, 2008 10:03:40 PM
Well I guess you have to at least give Kos credit, he's doesn't pretend to be fair like the rest of the media, at least he's honest about his bias. The rest have hated Clinton from Day One, shall we say, but pretended to be fair. It took a comedienne to shame them into doing their job. Their complacency and bias got us in this mess with the pastor, if they would've done their job back in January we'd have a nominee by now, instead we're almost stuck with a surefire general election loser. But I guess this mess sells papers too. Congrats to the MSM and the democrats, you figured out a way to make a complete mess of what should have been a no-brainer cake walk to the White House. Maybe Wright is right, this country does suck just not for the reasons he thinks.
Posted by: fred | Mar 17, 2008 8:56:38 PM
More than likely, Hillary will have the lead in the popular vote even if she doesn't catch up in the delagate count. To me the person who got the most votes should be just as important as who got the most delagates. If you look at a state primary, they always declare the person who got the most votes the winner.
I got an email today about Hillary supporters boycotting msnbc. Besides their biased coverage (people are calling it the Obama network)they now have a spot on their home page where obama is registering voters. Over the line! I am participating in the boycott, please join us!
Posted by: rob | Mar 17, 2008 8:51:16 PM
Commander Guy wrote:
"All the FL state Dems played along with and actually approved the scheme to Change the date.
I think the final vote was something like 196-2 in favor of flouting the rules.
So FL dems have a remedy. Throw the Bums out!"
Is that right?? Why the heck did they do that?? What could ever be gained?? Enlighten me! That is simply crazy!!
Posted by: marie | Mar 17, 2008 8:51:07 PM
Marie, Marie
All the FL state Dems played along with and actually approved the scheme to Change the date.
I think the final vote was something like 196-2 in favor of flouting the rules.
So FL dems have a remedy. Throw the Bums out!
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 17, 2008 8:37:53 PM
If I was a democrat in Florida, I would vote Republican.
Posted by: Kansas | Mar 17, 2008 8:26:27 PM
Well, what to say about this Markos "Kos" Moulitsas?
So he says Clinton has "no reasonable chance of victory"?
And that she's "eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power"?
Thu guy is right of course, but what's the issue here?
Posted by: Hunter | Mar 17, 2008 8:18:10 PM
Democrat,
I, too, am horrifed by what has happened in Florida with their Republican state legislature actually orchestrating the date so that Florida Democratic voters in the primaries would not be counted.
Now that should be a call to arms for all Democrats. It should not matter whether you support Obama or Clinton. It is wrong! It is corrupt! It is certainly not democratic!
Posted by: marie | Mar 17, 2008 8:17:23 PM
Democrat posted:
"But I just saw DCVoter declare that he would for McCain (Thurman's 'third Bush term') if Hillary wouldn't get the nomination"
That doesn't make DCVoter a bad person. it means he is very angry. LOL. I have friends who are Republicans and think John McCain is the cat's meow. We just can't talk politics. LOL The truth is the platforms of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are not that far apart. We all know that. I am deeply troubled by Rev. Wright's racist rantings and Obama's closeness to the man for such along time. As I posted on another Political Punch thread, I think this is still Baraack Obama going through his racial identity crisis as he profiled in his own books. It is playing out now, unfortunately on the political stage. What is it that his sister Maya has said about him? He walks in two differnt worlds. Yes, he does. I still want ot get a psychoanalysts interpretation of this man. I cannot figure him out!
Posted by: marie | Mar 17, 2008 8:11:35 PM
Ok you knee-jerk Obama supporters have you really listended to your "messiah's" rhetoric. We are going to solve our economic problems by giving tax breaks to the middle class and take tax breaks away from the elites. We are going to spend the money (which Bush has insanely borrowed from the Chinese and the Saudis) wasted in Iraq on our "infrastructure"..no new taxes, no sacrifices we will just take our "overdrafts" and apply it to bridges, roads and of course health-care. Hillary may have some pie in the sky also but she is more specific in dealing with the mortgage crisis and other key segments of the economy. You are in love with the "idea" of Obama and not Obama's "ideas. If you want to atone for your "white" guilt about all the evils done to Black Americans do some work out in the community rather than give Mccain a free ride with an opponent who is not ready for "prime time".
Posted by: Howard Phillips | Mar 17, 2008 7:43:43 PM
marie,
I got that e-mail as well. I feel very sorry for all Florida Democrats.
Karen Thurman writes: 'The last thing America needs is a third Bush term.'
One would suppose that to THE issue every Democrat agrees on.
But I just saw DCVoter declare that he would for McCain (Thurman's 'third Bush term') if Hillary wouldn't get the nomination.
I'm truly shocked by such a statement, for I know how many people in this country cannot afford to have another Republican President in office for four more years. There's true despair in our country, a lot of families simply need help and they need it soon. I can't or maybe don't want to believe that Democrats would favor the GOP over the opponent of their nominee of choice, be it Hillary or Obama.
Posted by: Democrat | Mar 17, 2008 7:35:38 PM
I guess Kos just proved the point of Clinton Bloggers that went out on strike.
Posted by: Joan | Mar 17, 2008 7:02:28 PM
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