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We have three candidates whom I will refer to as dumb, dumber, and dumbest, does it really matter what color they are? You get to decide which one is which. If they are the best this country has to offer it just goes to show how far the state of education has fallen in this country. I am referring to the education of people who would even consider voting for any of these unqualified individuals. Let's face it if George Washington, Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin were to run for elected office today they would not garner 10 percent of the vote because they all had deeply held religious beliefs. This shows how successful the socialists and communists have been in marginalizing religion in this country. Many people today now view a leader who has strong religious beliefs negatively. We reap what we sow and by taking God out of every aspect of public life we invite unprincipled, unscrupulous people like Hilary Clinton to fill the void.

The average American is ill informed! This individual is an ignorant at best, Jake Tapper does not know. We YES WE the product of mixture, for I am Chinese, Jewish Portuguese and African DO NOT think in terms of race.

Race should never be categorized! America is an infant, a society and culture that believes that all and in all there is a practical justification or an inner purpose that is driven by a practical justification for it's existence.

Perhaps, I would better be understood if I spoke in my first language instead of my 7th, get educated because you don't have one, at best you have receive training and sets of instruction that you are to exercise in achieving that wish you live for, the instantaneous gratification.

Racism begins to exist when you attempt to categorize things by race, regardless of the outcome... when you walk that path you are a racist! your dumb experts, perhaps can chew on that for the next century. Mind you I only got my Masters in Biosystems engineering when I was 20.

You have lived when you have been born, you are a racist when you think, categorize in terms of race. Clear? As this been understood? or should I continue to elaborate on the alphabet. Just in case you missed, which you probable did "somethings begin to exist when they are conceived, enter the mind or the mind follows a path!"

Has it really come to this? Are Democrats arguing because some might be less inclined to vote for Obama if his skin appears slightly darker? Somehow we are expected to believe that Americans are ready to elect a black man President as long as his complexion isn’t too dark. The fact that people assume this in a Democratic primary shows how shallow and prejudiced current day Democrats really are.

Why can’t we spend more time discussing issues that matter and less time arguing about political cheap trickery. Why not talk about school choice? This is something that really impacts lower income and inner city families. How about Social Security reform? Maybe they could spend some time explaining how they would control health care costs under their ‘health care for everyone’ plans. The law if supply and demand dictates that increasing demand without increasing supply will cause prices to rise. Stealing a line from Tom Cruise, maybe they missed the day they taught economics at Yale and Harvard. I won’t be supporting a Democrat because both of the likely nominees are socialists. It really doesn’t matter what race or gender they are.

"one would think it would be the Republicans but its not it the bonehead liberals"

If you've ever doubted evil politicians are evil politicians, no matter which side of the aisle they live on, you need not doubt any longer.

If she can't win on her own merit - she needs to drop out of the race, because she is going to become the most hated woman of 2008, knocking Ann Coulter out of first place

When is this going to end? I'm blaming RACIST Ohio for forcing us to deal with even MORE Hillary in the coming months. Ohio can fall off the face of the earth unless they vote Republican. I was hoping that they would be the sensible people to put an end to this.

Why would Hillary do this? Who cares what Obama did "wrong". What is Hillary Clinton trying to insinuate?

She has enough work to do in explaining her health care agenda. She's wasting our time instead.

Hillary is the same crook she was when she stole in the Whitewate incident. It seems everyone has forgotten that she wouldn't produce needed papers then, also. When they mysteriously appear, her explanation always changes.

Hillary is the same crook she was when she stole in the Whitewate incident. It seems everyone has forgotten that she wouldn't produce needed papers then, also. When they mysteriously appear, her explanation always changes.

Nancy Reagan for Commander in Chief!

She also was First Lady for eight years, and has more life experience than you know who.

If we think this nation has not recial problems then why 95% of blacks vote for Obama?

I know a few things about photo editing, and you can't tell me this was just bad or different lighting. They are both from the same debate. ALL of the dark tones in the retouched photo are darker, including his tie (which makes it obvious). Yet his shirt is actually whiter. You don't get that from just "bad lighting". If it were, his shirt would be darker too.

But then again, black, white, lesbian...what do I care. It's still one socialist attacking another socialist. Good. And Mrs. Bill will just do what she always does; deny it until it is obvious it's true, then blame some random staffer.

The accusation is a complete lie, leveled by the technically incompetent.

These two pictures were taken either with a different lense, with different lighting adjustments on the camera, or just in different lighting on the subject. They are not the same picture, and there likely was no intentional darkening of Senator Obama's skin. Actually, the shade and lighting on the "darker" picture is complimentary to Obama. It seems someone is just trying to make trouble in interpreting the difference in lighting in the two pictures as being anything more than a variation in lighting. This was most likely not due to any intention to put Obama in "bad light."

well tweedle dumm is calling tweedle dee racist my oh my is that a qualifing action for president?, This is a childish distraction for the sheeple to argue over while the real problems that this nation is facing will need more leadership than that ship of fools will ever provide There is no discussions on eceonimic wreck that we are in no words of wisdom on our Oil problems no comments about world events that will drag us into a major war What we all worry about is a dark casting on a photo I am worried about what this mess will do to our countrys survival not what cast a photo is.

BlindedbytheLight:

I appear to be misreading you. I still don't quite get what you are saying. I don't know where the claim originated and I certainly don't fault ABC for reporting on activity in the blogosphere.

If the bloggers got their marching orders from Obama's campaign, then my comment is directed at Obama's campaign. If the bloggers are freelancing, then my comment is directed at them. If a blog is getting a lot of activity and is stirring up emotion among many people online, I think that's worth reporting.

We Republicans don't really care who the nominee is, although some would prefer Clinton. I think they're both trying to make the United States a socialist country, and I am against that, so I have no political agenda with regard to this specific issue.

It does seem to me that talking about race in general in the context of the presidential contest reveals that the people talking about it are stuck in a time warp. I really believe most Americans could not care less what color you are. I really think most people are past all that.

But then, the Democrats have always been slow on the issue. After all, FDR employed strict segregation at Warm Springs, and Woodrow Wilson caused racist policies to be employed. This notion that the Democrats are the party of choice for African Americans is really a joke, you know. The Democrats have always been against recognizing all Americans as brothers and sisters.

So shame on them for continuing to use race to gain power by trying to capitalize on the few people who still are afraid of people who may look different than they do.

Yupdatsme:

My point...ABC picked this "story" up on their own, I don't think there was any complaints.

After-all it "IS" Corporate Media with an agenda!!

BlindedbytheLight:

My comment is not directed at ABC, but at the source or sources of the complaint.

Yupdatsme:

Who is playing the victim? ABC picked this story up from bloggers.

Corporate *owned* Media wins if Hillary or McCain become president. Whose side do ya think they are on, Obama's?

Most Americans don't care what color you are. To raise this issue is to play the victim and insults all people of goodwill.

Wow! Corporate Media (ABC) sure is giving the Corporate Democrat (Hillary) some exposure...

Two ads that favor Hillary, Yet Americans are too Blinded by the Light!

are all pictures of HRC and McCain the exact same skin tone? Both of them are about the colour of a sack of baking flour, so they could use a little colour.

"Nothing in advertising is accidental. It is over-thought and then subjected to second thoughts and second guessing then over-thought and re-looked at again. I've been doing this ten years. It is my professional opinion that the film was made darker, and it has obviously been stretched. I will not comment on their reasons, as I can't offer an informed case for that."

Obama disputing the "shade" is in itself racism. I like the darker color.
It has different hues.

This is what his campaign has been based on all along. Racism and McCarthyism. Instead of going on the defense, I'm astute enough to see that his whole platform is based on reverse psychology. In other words, blame the opponent for what you yourself are guilty of or what you are about to do.
Watch closely and you will see this whole thing in a different light.
This Obama campaign is based on the past. JFK, MLK, reverse psychology of the 70's and old worn out ideas like going to meet tyrants in person to solve things. Have you ever heard anyone talk so much and say nothing as Obama? He can't toot his horn beacuse there is NOTHING to toot about so he attacks with false accusations and mid games. Don't fall for it people. Forge ahead Hillary camp. Igmore this liar.

Just one thing i observed about race in this election.If i' as a white man , voted for a white, because he was white, and running against a black canidate. Would i be a racist? Wellll what are all the blacks for voting , overwellmingly for obama? Just an observation. Frankly i wish Ms rice would have run. She would be bullet proof and would have crushed these 3 bozo's handidly.Of course we,d be seeing the aunt jemimah pictures again , from the dems(their so non racist)

I have seen countless negative ads where a candidate is darkened. Its called persuasion, not racism. It would be racist to suggest Obama shouldnt get the same treatment because he is black.

I don't have cable, so I watch major press conferences and State of the Union addresses on over-the-air broadcasts. Sometimes during a broadcast, the signal will weaken, and I'll flip to the next channel. I've never seen such a broadcast where the color was the same on each of the networks, despite being contemporaneous pictures of the very same event. While I don't trust the Clintons any further than I could throw them, I think this is much ado about nothing.

To the Obama camp....So what are YOU all saying? There are better hues of black? Anyone who uses movie clips in video streams knows that the image is always off color with a tendency to be darker or more maroonish. Don't defend yourself by putting darker tones down, DUH!

Interesting that ABC would have this story. It was ABC that had the Rush Limbaugh story about Curious George using a Curious George picture next to a photo of Obama with his lips puckered. Something I thought made an ugly situation even more disgraceful. Why are you all choosing to do that? Are you all trying to fan the flames of racism? Is the media looking for an all out rebellion from the people against it? I think the media does not reflect the people at all. They seem to join in thinking with the small minority of racists.

Okay, anyone pushing this bogus mess needs to re-examine exactly what desperate looks like. Give me a break.

I think the whole add is dark, this is just trying to get Hillary of her campaign , so the whining has really started now that she has took away his MO. Have you noticed every time she wins people start yelling racism. This is why he should just drop out now, it is tearing the party and the country apart.

Note that it is NOT the Obama Campaign, not any representative of the Obama Campaign that brought this up. This is what the Clintons do. Whine about how they are getting unfairly picked on by the press, not the press has to find negative stories about Obama in order to look balanced. There is a reason why there are so many negative stories about HRC, she, and her husband do a lot of questionable things. They take money from the Saudis to fund her campaign, they refuse to release documentation that they have had since January to show her experience. They use innuendo and shaded answers to destroy reputations and most of all they count on the American people to be too stupid to see the manipulations. There is no, NO difference between her an McCain. She will not get us out of Iraq, look at her answers, she has said she would study it, and then go with the reccomendations of the Generals that will still be in place fromt he Bush adminsitration. She will for a committee on Social Security, just like Bush, forcing people to buy health insurance for themselves will only benefit the insurance companies and does nothign for health care. She has no education plan whatsoever, and her plan for the Economy does not involve getting people back to work.

Not that it is NOT the Obama Campaign, not any representative of the Obama Campaign that brought this up. This is what the Clintons do. Whine about how they are getting unfairly picked on by the press, not the press has to find negative stories about Obama in order to look balanced. There is a reason why there are so many negative stories about HRC, she, and her husband do a lot of questionable things. They take money from the Saudis to fund her campaign, they refuse to release documentation that they have had since January to show her experience. They use innuendo and shaded answers to destroy reputations and most of all they count on the American people to be too stupid to see the manipulations. There is no, NO difference between her an McCain. She will not get us out of Iraq, look at her answers, she has said she would study it, and then go with the reccomendations of the Generals that will still be in place fromt he Bush adminsitration. She will for a committee on Social Security, just like Bush, forcing people to buy health insurance for themselves will only benefit the insurance companies and does nothign for health care. She has no education plan whatsoever, and her plan for the Economy does not involve gettign people back to work.

When you make a political ad of your opponent, do you use their best looking picture for the ad?

Get a grip, you bloggers. I use to think that liberals are more sophisticated. If they are crying about an ad that uses a bad picture of Obama, then I question their level of thinking.
The whole idea of a political ad of your opponent is to cast them in the worst possible way.

Review Obama's ad of HRC and you will get the picture.

Any time HRC overcomes the media jurganots, they always find ways to discredit her.

Both Bill and Hillary are not racist and have done more for African Americans than any media group has ever been.

Get it?

Stop the whinning and accept defeat.

Yeah, I think the charge of racism is barely tenable in this clip - the entire thing is bluetoned.

But who's fault is it? That's right. Clinton. She played all the race cards, so now, EVEN IF she didn't deliberately tone his skin, EVEN IF she didn't fudge on whether or not Obama is muslim, EVEN IF she didn't send those emails to Drudge...

The first thing people thing is "Yes She Did". Because she's done it countless times already in this election. It's too late to take the high road.

Way to go Hillary. Reap what you sow. Thank you for destroying this country.

OK, the photo is a frivolous issue for many, let's stick to a real one about Hilary's conduct, like her activities as lawyer and board member for Walmart, which has fought unionization and fair wages for workers... NOT A PEEP about how Hilary sees that, nor where she stands on that issue. Not a word anywhere about that. No hard hitting questions from the press. HMMMMM!!! what could that all mean?

Has anyone noticed John McCaine's neck? Sometimes it looks like a second head is growing under his chin. I hadn't considered the possibility that the neck may be a digital ruse. Maybe John McCaine doesn't really look old and saggy. Maybe none of the candidates (or any public figure) looks anything like the images that are portrayed in ads or in newsclips. How did democracy survived prior to the advent of television? Aside from the widespread use of such wholesome tactics as vicious political cartoons, yellow journalism, propoganda, and a wagonload of othe dirty tricks, how did candidates for political office persuade the voting public?

Actually this looks like a pathetic unprofessional job. It seems as though they captured the images from a digital feed with the extended width (this takes a 3x5 and makes it a 4x16)function on. You've seen it if you have a hi-def tv. The image was not color corrected and is clearly out of phase. BTW the Baltimore Sun regularly runs unflattering pictures of Sen. Clinton and the Baltimore affiliate of NBC showed her campaigning in the MD, for the whole 20 second clip her back was to the camera. We know that she had faced the front of the hall at least once in the hour she spoke, but this is what the producer had decided to air. Don't let the press cheat you from the real issues or manipulate you. This is a real non-issue, and says more about the press and bad video producers than either candidate. Just stay aware.

I like the Obama orange look. There are a lot of pictures of Hillary out there where she looks lighter, darker, her teeth are yellow or white. I haven't heard an outcry saying someone gave Hillary big yellow teeth! Please. This is a stupid assertion. I'm going to go water the marshmallows now.

I do a lot in photography, and on monitors, a lot is influenced by one's settings (monitor type, age of the monitor, and the photo software's workspace).

Add that basic lighting makes a big difference. In the pics you present the one on the left is lobster orange on my screen. Maybe some would prefer that!
My experience is that people look darker or lighter depending on the light and also, in photos, on the exposure.

But there'll alwyas be people looking for these things, and whatever makes one happier ...

It's not as if we don't see Obama everyday for ourselves and don't know what he looks like. I don't think anyone would think twice were it not for people bringing this up after looking for things.

The "Clinton comeback'is the media's fault, you played along with her spreading unconfirmed rumours and speculations for a whole week. The answers from Sen.Obama , his campaign and the Canadian ambassador never made the headlines, collaborating with a shameful smear campaign. Are you happy now, knowing the Democratic Party will have it harder than ever? Keep your objectivity and show both sides of the coin with the same length and coverage. Otherwise, you become puppets of whomever wants to use you.

The charge was made on DailyKos, whose shrill netroot fundamentalists have already broken en masse for Obama.

Therefore, whatever appears on that site is tainted, to be read with suspicion. Same goes for talkingpointsmemo.com and all those other talksites.

And don't look at me; the sites brought it on to themselves. The editorial leaderships chose their candidates and so they should now not be surprised if/when they're accused of partisanship.

It is a journalist's JOB to be independent and objective. To inform, not to convince. Unfortunately, too many of those websites have started casting themselves as a news media of sorts...

Hilary wins!

I don't know, I think it looks like they just have a clip with different lighting...they might have intentionally picked the darkest clip they could find, but i doubt they photoshopped it...if they did, they really are bad people

The slight difference in hue between the 2 renderings of Obama falls well within the range of normal variation in reprocessing images.

Someone said it can't've been accidental because Obama's shirt looks whiter in the Clinton rendition of the clip, but slightly increased contrast in the Clinton rendition explains both his skin color and the shirt. More exactly, his skin color is relatively BLUER in the Clinton clip, that is, the peach and pink tones appear to have been reduced in both skin and shirt. Get a life, folks.

This charge of making Obama look more black is crazy. This sounds like the people who believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories. Also, why would Osama and his supporters be angry if he looks black. At first he was the no race candidate, and then he turned himself into the black candidate. Osama's supporters are going to incredible lengths to find things against Hillary who is the best possible person to be president.

Well, considering that Clinton is losing 85% of the black vote, your logic makes little sense. Or maybe you are thinking that in her next add, Clinton will make herself seem darker and Obama seem lighter. I can't believe this article made front page!

Obama campaign always playing a race card. Always wanting hillary to dropped out the campiagn, what a dectator? people in texas, ohio, and rhode island are smart, theyve voted for issue,future of our country,

NYR, I am SO with you! As a conservative Republican sitting back and watching the democrats scream all the things they usually reserve for us ("racism" "vote tampering" "disenfranchisement", etc. etc.) is just hilarious.

Pray continue!

I have to say that the assertion by Hillary that she has more experience makes it look as if experience is everything. It is not. One can also have bad experience and in this case, all the experience Hillary talks about is connected with her husband's presidency and Washington, which needs to be overhauled. All the experience she can boast is the wrong experince and she cannot bring about the real change that everybody is looking for. She must please the lobbysts, the drug companies, and the wealthiest Americans who are her main supporters as opposed to Barack, who is being supported financially by the poor, rich, young old, black, yellow, brown, white, chocolate etc. It is not as if Barack does not have experience either. Just read about his work as a law instructor, in a University in Chicago, his experience as a state senator with quite some accomplishments, his experience as a senator, and his wife's experince as an administrator of a large hospital and I understand she worked as a vice president at the hospital. Besides, all the experince in Washington put together did not stop the congress from giving a blank check for the most unfortunate war in the history of the world in which thousands of young Americans have been executed and the Iraqi people have their heads cut off and buried in mass graves for no good reason.

I think that temperament is very important and being able to keep the cool even when things are going seriously badly. Hillary is not only very emotional but she was extremely condesending in the way she adressed Barack like a mother scolding her little boy "shame on you Obama" etc. Surprisingly, the media did not comment on this behaviour. This behaviour undescores who Hillary really is and she does not show respect for Barack. On the other hand, we see Barack maintaining his cool under pressure and even with kitchen sinks being thrown at him, remaining dignified. He does not fluctuate minute by minute from being extremely charming to extremely mad.
It seems that Barack is highly well organized in his campaign compared to Hillary, despite her claim for experience. That is one reason Barack is doing so well. He is also not polalizing but rather uniting, which we desperately need in the country. He is inspiring which means that people are taking interest in politics for the first time because of Barack. Whatever happens, I hope Hillary will not continue with her attacks of Barack, which we are all tired off. If Barack did what she is doing we would have been chasticed. I think it is good to lose or win with one's dignity intact

What's racist about the ad? He doesn't look any darker in this ad.

Obama's campaign is in a hurry to wrap the campaign because they khow what Rezko's trial might bring in the next few weeks. Obama's name is associated with Rezko's name on more than the fundraising and the real estate deal, and he knows this will come to light as the trial begins. We will see that he is no different than any other politician.

As a steady independant, If Hillary wins I will go with McCain. I think her support and attitude is too vitriolic to sustain a national campaign.

Karl Rove is laughing his arse off.RNC had to repremand the Ten. branch for a mailer featuring the Obama photo in Kenyan garb,along with not so nice comments.All they have to do is start a rumor release a picture and it the Obamabots blaming the Clintons.Unlike Obama and the Nafta mess that turns out to be true.

This blog post is disgustingly full of racist and fear-mongering comments. I'm sickened that this type of thinking and speech can come from within our own party.

stop with racial stuff against the clintons -- Just Stop !!obama should just grow up already !! -- he cannot handle playing w/ the big boys -- he has all the media -- so what more does he want --all the victories ---
-- his camp is the one w/ all the racial stuff -- give us a break --

Where are these conspiracy theorists coming from? I thought we were beyond race issues at this point. Are we supposed to think that white people consider some people too "black"? And what about the conventional wisdom that some African Americans think it is a negative if someone is too white? Wake up. Both Clinton and Barack have one thing in common, they both have white mothers. Let's talk about real issues before we all implode.

Oomingmak and all those others...

You're joking, right?

GIVE THEM HELL. HILLARY!
THEY'LL BLAME YOU EVEN IF YOU DON'T.....

Who Cares. Obama is history.

Hillary is a fighter and a doer, not like sir-talks-a-lot, words without experience, knowledge, and wisdom. President Hillary will be answering the phone at 3 am in the White House.

People. Video editing happens all the time. Have you ever seen FOX News? Then you just said yes to saying you've watched edited videos.

Hillary may have won tonight, but with her negative campaigning as if she was a republcan, she has lost my vote.

Having manipulated photos and video professionally, I can tell you that the video was altered. The levels and the contrast look as if they have been manipulated. It's very blatant.

I think that the decision to progress with this ad shows a lack of sensitivity and leadership that is necessary in today's political climate, both at home and abroad.

If Hillary wins the nomination, the only sound decision would be to jump to McCain. He has taken the high-road.

they don't complain when hillary is shown without makeup, in bad light, with every possible wrinkle showing. and yes, jaz, race card after every defeat.

I'd like to pont out that the Obama campaign made no response. Meaning they don't believe this. Also this is a non-issue and a bogus one at that.
Obama '08

I get so tickled at the Obamabots who see a Hillary conspiracy behind everything! They make it sound like she turned him into a black man! Gee, folks, is dark skin something to be ashamed of?

I've seen many ads over the years candidates be painted black and white (or other twists) by their opponents. When they create ads to demolish someone, they might work on some colour things to have better effects. There's nothing wrong with it. Besides, as Clinton campaign has said, colors can be quite different depending on many factors. Don't make big deal out of it, please!

Vince - wow. The article says Obama's campaign has had no comment on this either way. Typical Hillary supporter. Uninformed.

Vince - are you daft? READ THE ARTICLE. Where does it say that Obama or his campaign have brought up this issue? It doesn't. It says "liberal bloggers" have noticed it.

For crying out loud, man. Pay attention.

Hillary stoops low, again. I don't think I want her in the White House. She'll make too many enemies, very fast. There will be a backlash against her if she is elected president, nothing will get done, except maybe another impeachment process as the Republicans will dig up more dirt about the Clintons. Same old, same old.

Lets see.Hillary had nothing to do with the Insight magazine rumor that still persists to this day,or the most recent release of Obama wearing a scarf/turban.Now we have the tv. ad that plays to some with already racist leanings.Hmm.Funny how all of this points back to Hillary,and she continues to deny.How anyone can vote for this poor excuse for a human being is beyond me.Obama's skin is more light than dark.This is obvious tampering.She and whoever is running her campaign should be ashamed.How anyone can be this low and think it is fun or fair to win in politics using these tactics is beyond what I can say on a public forum.
Obama shows class in his campaign.Hillary could learn a lot from him.

So, the Obama camp is pulling the race card again claiming that Clinton changed his color on some of his pictures. He should have thanked her because he looked better AFTER the color change.

For anyone, for a second, believes this wasn't deliberate on the part of Clinton only has to read what her response was... "The ad the dailykos used, wasn't our ad."

That is a blatant lie, and has been disproved by 3rd parties. Why lie, if not guilty.

This is despicable. I wouldn't have been so upset if her people said "Hey, the whole ad was dark, we hired some crummy video editors, we're sorry, blah blah blah." But the fact that they are trying to lie about it is incredible.

This should seriously be front-page news.

Obama's staff doesn't need to say a word; the media is handling that for them.

Racist? That is so weird. He's black. Making him light black, or medium black or dark black - why would that be racist? If Clinton's chest looks bigger in one of his commercials is he being sexist??? Ridiculous.

All photos are not created equal, one camera man pictures will give a diffrent result. This a total non subject but on the other hand someone want you to think about race.

Hillary is winning Ohio with a higher percent than McCain, yet the obama loving media acts like it's too close to call.

Who cares?

Obama '08

Really Terre? Who on Obama's campaign staff has complained? These are liberal bloggers raising the questions. ABCnews chose to address it, on a blog. What part of "The Obama campaign did not have any comment -- on or off the record." did you not understand in Jake Tapper's blog?

It's discusting that the Obama camp would even suggest this. They are grasping at straws, now that it's obvious that Clinton is winning. She has Ohio. "You can't win without Ohio." as the old saying goes...

Whenever Obama's campaign staff doesn't like the way things are going, they play the race card. It is becomming tedious and tiresome. One would wonder if they are embarrassed that he is black........
I'm voting for Hillary.