MoveOn.org v. the Clinton Fat Cats

Marianne Pepitone (comment near very top):

Only way fat cats can do whatever they want done is if apathetic people like you let them walk all over you.

The naivete of far left liberals at MoveOn.org is breathtaking. They say they are going to obviate the Democratic fat cats by out-raising money themselves. How stupid! By alienating those fat cats, where do MoveOn.org radicals think that money from those fat cats are going to go? To the Republicans! It is this kind of leftist hubris that is going to sink Obama candidacy in the end.

The big donors don't give a hoot about moveon.org. They will do what they want regardless of what Pelosi says. And I agree with them. They have the right to choose the nominee. Do we want a president in the white house that can't make decisions? And endorsements doesn't mean the voters are going to listen to them. I believe Hillary will capture PA and maybe KY and IN. Obama will capture NC because of the black vote and the white youth vote. Obama can campaign in PA all he wants but she has a sixteen point lead right now and she has the endorsement of the Governor and two others. It took Bill Clinton to clean up the mess in the white house when he was president and it will take Hillary to clean it up again. Obama wouldn't know what to do first. Maybe Patrick would give him a hand since he gave him his speech.

Tom: The letter was the right thing to do to Nancy Pelosi. She should take care of matters the right way like a professional would do. And loud mouth Howard Dean should step aside. He is the cause of the DNC falling apart. Pelosi is afraid of Hillary becoming president because Hillary would have a higher position than her and she doesn't want that. Dean is an Obama supporter that's why he doesn't want MI and FL to seat their delegates because she would be ahead of Obama. Should she drop out. Heck no!! Obama cannot win those states in a general election because he would have won them instead of her. They do not want him as the nominee or they would have voted for him.

Crazy stuff. Donkey Superdelegates getting indicted right and left -- Spitzer, Puerto Rico’s Gov., Detroit’s Mayor . . . At this rate, some time before the actual convention ol’ Dean’s gonna have to shift his focus from worrying about squabbling between the two nominee camps to worrying about whether he’ll be able to assemble an actual quorum of delegates. Or maybe they can create a new area on the convention floor, populated by marshals watching over cuffed & shackled guys in orange jump suits. “Mr. Chairman, the incarcerated delegates proudly representing the people of the great state of Attica cast their seventy six electoral votes for . . . _____________. Free Mumia! Wooo Hoooo!”

Mac: Pelosi doesn't care about the Italian's she is only interested in herself and what people can do for her. Pelosi is a cut throat like Dean and Reid. Hillary should not drop out of the race there are still states to campaign in and the superdelegates should have a say so. Just because Obama won the popular vote and is ahead in delegates does not mean he is the best candidate to run the country. The superdelegates have the right to choose who they think is the best. And I don't believe Obama can run this country without extensive help from others. After all he uses other president's speeches and he used the word hope from RFK speech when he was campaigning for president. He is hopeless.

Tina D. You are so right. And Wright would be in that white house just like Ayers and Farrakhan. Of course Rezko would probably be in jail. I wonder why Obama wasn't questioned? What are the courts hiding from the public? Every time I turn on CNN or MSNBC I see Obama's face. They promoted him to no extent but not McCain or Hillary. I see now Obama as William Daley as a co-chairman of his campaign. His father must be turning over in his grave because he would be against an Obama endorsement over Hillary. That's the way it was with Daley, Sr. Richard Daley endorsed Obama because of the black vote should he run again. Daley, Sr. wouldn't care.

I hear the Gov. of Puerto Rico has been indicted and he is a superdelegate supporting Obama. What else is new. Wasn't Obama an attorney for a crooked businessman? One knows another. And didn't Obama wheel and deal while he was attorney. Rezko gave Obama 350,000 to purchase a house on the Southside and gave his campaign 250,000 which Obama still has 100,000 of that money. Now Obama has turned his back on Rezko. That's what friends are for?

Tim sorry I did not see your response to my first comment.

Did you know that Hillary did NoT institute the superdelegate system, in the late 70's or early 80's , so that when she eventually run for president she could use it to her advantage.

This was done by the leadership of the democratic party to deal with situations where candidates ARE EVEN or NO ONE has the recommended majority.

Can Barack get the required majority???? No, of course NOT.
Can Hillary get it either ...No..No..

So who are we going to call to solve this, but the superdelegates or any other system or mechanism inherent in the Democratic Party's system of regulations for choosing a candidate where there is deadlock.

Despite the fact that Obama's campaign has made Hillary THE WONDER WOMAN OF AMERICAN POLITICS'she who cannot be destroyed or defeated' She did not make the rules for unlocking a deadlock.

Hillary is going on and must go on for the sake of the democratic party, the education of American middle and working class masses and for herself and self esteem. 'Never stop playing until you hear the buzzer sound'....You have heard that before...

That's the kind of President America NEEDS today....and for the next four years....Don't you think?

Hey Tim ...
How do you think Obama , my bro. is getting all this financial support?
Do you think Barack is running a community or grassroots organisation?

This is a fullscale corporation with FATCATS.. waiting to cash in just like any other successful campaign. You don't believe me ...just move the curtain a little bit and you will see standing in the corner, Billionaire John Kerry....hmmm..endorsement for free you think.?...E
verybody has their fatcats.

"There is little difference between the two candidates in regards to positions so why would they get involved in this" - alpaig 5:18:21 PM

alpaig, Do you ever consider the honest and integrity as factors for supporting a candidate? Hillary is indebted to these fat cats and special interests, Obama is not because they can not buy him. Beside, does anyone know what Hillary Clinton is hiding in tax return?

Andy 5:07:30 PM, Just like your candidate you to turn facts upside down.

"And also remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged" - Hillary Clinton -

Since when was Hillary's intension to override the will of the voter a myth?

I agree with Idaho Potato.

The Clintons disappoint. How could their donors tell the rest of the Democratic party to get behind their candidate or else they'd pull the resources that support the party? It defies belief that a special interest would take it this far when millions of Democrats are watching and wondering what else do they demand for all their big bucks. Hillary knew in advance that Nancy was going to be blackmailed and didn't do anything to stop it.

It was under the Clintons that the Democrats lost their majority status in the Congress. If this is what they were doing then, NO WONDER more legislation did not pass in 1993 and 1994.

Then 1 out of 5 Democrats say they are going to take their votes to Republicans after we have suffered as a nation under Bush Cheney. What does the Democratic party stand for exactly?

It sucks. If these are our true colors, it is a wonder how we ever change anything in Washington.

I guess Nancy Pelosi isn't bothered at all by being called garlic nose or blamed for crucifying Jesus by Obama's favorite uncle pastor.

vote4thebest- You said it with class. I hope Pelosi gets voted out of being House speaker, she's a nutcase. First she highlight the rules and now she wants to change them. Is she for real?

I agree with Idaho Potato. I was so disappointed with both Hillary and Bill. I thought they had to get crazy to deal with the Republican attack machine. Democrats should not fight like Republicans with each other.

Their constant drumbeat when they attack around the facts, claim to have support they don't, or send the ragin' Cajun after Bill Richardson...I feel like I was standing by a bunch of craven self interest hacks from 1992 to 2000. At some point Democrats have to pull together even when we want to tar and feather the other side.

1 out 5 people have taken this so seriously that the Democratic candidate will lose the disenchanted in the fall. How can that be? We have suffered under Cheney Bush for 8 years. You remember Gore's Willie Horton playing against Dukakis by George H.W. Bush. What kinds of attacks will the Democratic candidate have to face because of this primary? It sucks.

A lot of good moveon.org did for Kerry and Dean. They are so 4 years ago. Can you say irrelevant.

This is yet another lie that the Obama supporter are doing. Here is the truth:

1. Neither Obama and Clinton satisfies the required delegates to officially win the nomination under the current rule.

2. Both candidates are making their case using some various methods such as big states, small states, popular votes, pledged or super delegates, etc...

3. Superdelegates are not bound by anything but 'using their independent judgment" to make their choice. That is the current rule.

Pelosi, as a party leader, must show leadership by playing by the rules also. To tell superdelegates that they should not follow the current rule 'of independent judgment' and make their vote an automatic vote tying to the popular vote is changing the rule in the middle of the game. That is called cheating or stealing the nomination!

Clinton's supporters have every right to call Pelosi out for this lack of leadership and underhand tactic.

Let these candidates make their case to everyone, including the super delegates.

Obama and his supporters such as Pelosi or Moveon, have a double standard. They are whining that Clinton is 'stealing' their nomination when it is them who is doing it.

It is this type of behaviors such as Pelosi that will certainly motivate Clinton's supporters to vote for McCain.

Poor Speaker Pelosi can't make either the Obama or the Clinton fat cats happy. They just keep hissing and clawing at one another and at her. I bet Cat in the Hat will join this tale soon to create further mischief and discord . . .

The 'big DCCC donors' believe in entitlement programs. For themselves.

Was the letter clumsy? Of course. But then all the Team Clinton attacks on Obama have been clumsy. Birds of a feather....