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NAFTA SHAFTA
March 03, 2008 7:14 AM
The AP's Nedra Pickler obtained a Canadian government memo written after the senior economic adviser to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, met with members of the Canadian consulate -- a memo that seems to back up the Canadian Television story and ABC News follow-up reports indicating that Obama's campaign sent signals to our neighbors to the North that his anti-NAFTA rhetoric should not be taken seriously.
Obama adviser Austan Goolsbee's comments were summed up by Canadian consulate staffer Joseph DeMora this way: "Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign. He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans."
Goolsbee disputed the characterization, telling the AP, "this thing about `it's more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans,' that's this guy's language. He's not quoting me....I certainly did not use that phrase in any way."
The Obama campaign over the weekend falsely claimed the CTV story had been "retracted." It has not.
And in fact, the story seems today more alive than ever. That is, if the press does its job.
If.
- jpt
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Ever worked in government? One good piece of advice I got from an old hand was "volunteer to take the minutes". No-one wants that grunt work, but at the end of the meeting the minute taker gets to 'paraphrase' the discussion and conclusions reached, and to record them for posterity. Remember this when you use the minutes of a meeting (or a memo serving that purpose) to try to establish just who said what, and what the context was, and what it all _means_.
Posted by: Ian | Mar 4, 2008 5:32:38 PM
Why has CTV disrupted the link to the FIRST page of their original story?
On that page there was one small paragraph stating that the Clinton campaign had ALSO contacted the Canadian Embassy.
Since most legitimate news organizations are well aware that the present Canadian Government wants Hillary to win the Nomination, it does seem a bit odd that that paragraph didn't catch the eye of even one Reporter.
Well, it probably did. She just scared everyone off with her, "The media is being unfair. They have no right to tell the American Public the truth about me."
Posted by: Rebecka | Mar 4, 2008 1:46:56 PM
The Canadian government refutes the Clinton allegations.
“In the recent report produced by the Consulate General in Chicago, there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA,” the statement said. “We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect.”
Posted by: Mara | Mar 3, 2008 10:02:52 PM
Obama says he's going to bring people both sides together but where is the evidence of that in his past behavior?
What stands out in his brief Senate career is his 100% "most liberal" voting record, not a history of fighting across party lines to get legislation passed as he implies in speech after speech. He wasn't part of the 2005 "Gang of 14" bipartisan coalition that sought to break the logjam on judicial nominations, though the other freshman Illinois senator and John McCain (who led them) both were. He did support the bipartisan effort to get an immigration bill last year, winning a minor plaudit from McCain, but that wasn't something the 'other side' supported at all, and unlike uber partisan, divisive Sen. Edward Kennedy, he didn't work closely with the White House.
Where's the beef? Where's the proof that Obama will finally begin to DO what McCain has been doing for 25 years? John McCain and Russ Feingold used to joke that they were the only ones who ate alone in the senate cafateria. I doubt Barak Obama has ever been anywhere but at the middle of the pack.
Posted by: Rick | Mar 3, 2008 9:20:21 PM
Here are a few points for Americans to ponder from an interested Canadian:
1. The day before the New Hampshire primary, CNN ran Hillary’s cry-baby routine repeatedly to the exclusion of everything else on the campaign. Barack was barely on the CNN radar. That Hillary won against the odds was not surprising.
2. Why is Barack’s connection to Tony Rezco such a big deal and does CNN keep so shamelessly harping on the falsehood that Rezco is a fund-raiser for Barack when Barack has disavowed Rezco and has delivered all of Rezco’s contributions to charity? Why are McCain’s connections to lobbysts and McCain’s and the Clintons’ connections to Savings and Loans fiasco of the mid nineties swept under the rug? Why did CNN and other news media allow the news item on McCain in the New York Times die off so quickly and avoid any further reference to it? Are these matters not relevant anymore to the candidacies of McCain and Hillary?
3. Being a Canadian, I wouldn’t exactly vouch for what a Canadian official said about Barack’s ambiguous position on Nafta. As Donovan Bailey, the Canadian Olympic Gold medalist, said while training for the Olympics in Atlanta, Canada doesn’t exactly measure up to the US as far as providing equal opportunities for the minorities. I am living proof of that. So, what a Canadian official says about Obama camp waffling on the Nafta issue can be attributed to a bigoted, vested interest, and should be taken with a bucket of salt.
4. In Hillary’s purported 35 years of experience, she must be counting her entire professional life. That kind of yardstick would qualify many to be the President of the USA, especially when the most significant years of those 35 years, the 8 years in the White House, she had no clue what was going on under her own nose.
5. Why has CNN and other media caved in to complaints from Hillary and her cohorts that she is not getting equal coverage in the news media and now run Hillary’s stuff 60% of the time. I am an independent observer from another country. I should know the difference.
6. Why are personal attacks on Barack from Hillary’s camp, some Republicans and many journalists, such as distributing a picture of Barack in Somali garb (it is a Somali garb, for goodness sake, and not a Muslim garb per se), having to disavow Farakhan for something that Farakhan said (what happened to democracy and the free-speech rights of Farakhan enshrined in the US constitution, for crying out loud), and having to defend Michelle Obama’s statement that she’s never been more proud of America as she is now (a sentiment held by many, many interested people around the world after the abyss that the current administration has led the US to) are fair game when any personal attacks on Hillary or McCain are taboo?
7. I have known many nice people from the USA, more than nationals of any other country that I know of. The normal American that I know is a kindly, genial person. I’d like to think that he/she has also enough intelligence not to be blindsided by gutter politics. America, this is your time. Pick up that sceptre that your forbears so painstakingly earned and that your current leaders have so disdainfully discarded. Let your mettle show once again to the rest of the world. Allow the world to look up to you again with awe and respect.
8. To me, it is clear that there is a concerted effort by the same old, same old Washington-types and their cohorts (that includes CNN, in spades) to discredit the only phenomenon in more than two generations to grace our landscape, offering hope for the entire human kind. As Christ said, a prophet is not without honour except in his own land, among his own people.
Posted by: MDEAL | Mar 3, 2008 9:12:34 PM
GoHillary: I don't know a single Obama supporter who won't go for McCain. Let's give it to the American press corps: in the Bush/Gore election years they reported on trivia and chased after scandals, so they could claim to be first on the story. In this primary season, we've seen nothing but the same. Another 100 years in Iraq? No problem. A human rights record slightly below Syria's? No problem. A deficit built up in 8 years that our grandchildren will be paying off, instead of going to college? No problem. People dying the wealthiest nation in the world because they can't get health care? No problem. A memo already discredited by the Canadian government, now that's BIG news.
Posted by: Mara | Mar 3, 2008 8:06:24 PM
Obama has been running on judgement. What kind of judgement allows a guy to hang out with Rezko? What kind of judgement allows a guy to be friendly with anti-American Bill Ayers. I fear there is more corruption behind the scenes than we have ever seen.
On top of that, if we can't trust Obama on NAFTA and he fails to tell the truth, what else is he hiding?
Posted by: Speedy | Mar 3, 2008 7:51:09 PM
After reading all of these responses, I'm now convinced all of you Obamabots have drank the koolaid b/c you sound like mindless idiots.
I was considering voting for Obama, although I found the "yes we can" slogans disconcerting & fainting women at his rallies creepy. I went to his rally in Houston but I did not hear anything of substance come out of his mouth. I felt like I was at a pop concert with screaming dreamy eyed adolescents.
Then came the smears against Senator Clinton, the race baiting, the many close ties he has to extremists, the fiction in his autobiography, his shady dealings with Rezko & now, he' caught red handed in a blatant lie.
As others have pointed out, what makes this SO significant is the fact that he is touting himself as the new kind of politician; he promises a change to the status qou blah blah blah. But in reality, he's just another smooth talking politician who will say anything he thinks people want to hear.
Personally, I think he's dangerous. He has caused strife & division within the Democratic party, yet claims he will unify the country? HA HA HA
He has arrogantly proclaimed that his supporters won't vote for Hilary, but thinks that hers wil vote for him in the general election. I have voted Democrat since Bill Clinton's first term.
Tomorrow I'm going to vote for Hilary. If he ends up with the nomination, I will have to follow my conscience and vote for Mccain in November. Much to his (and the rest of the Democratic party's), dismay, I think most Hilary supporters will do the same.
Stay tuned b/c he'll be swiftboated by the GOP before the first debate. They will expose everything that most of the media is ignoring.
Posted by: GoHilary | Mar 3, 2008 7:29:43 PM
David Axlerod= Karl Rove
Trust Obama?????????????????
Vote Hillary!
Posted by: Sue | Mar 3, 2008 6:49:04 PM
So much for a new chapter in American history.
Barack is gone.
Go Hillary!
Posted by: mike | Mar 3, 2008 6:33:15 PM
Obama was proud to say how many great intelligent people were behind his campaign. He is ready to be the president etc.
Today CNN asked obama about this story and he said "Austan Goolsbee acted on his own, I was not aware of this"
So basically Obama is blaming his Chief Economic Advisor for acting on his own....Just displays the incompetent nature of the Obama campaign. If we do well ALL PRAISES TO OBAMA, but if we have a scandal in our hand: RAT OUT THE PERSON AND DEFLECT IT ON MY ADVISORS NEVER ON OBAMA!.
Going from being hailed as Messiah to being referred to as a used car sales man, shows how it goes when the MSM starts to turn on their golden boy. Its not going to get any easier for Obama the future "president of USA" keep blaming all your advisor's for your inability to handle NAFTA and for all your extremist friends FARRAKHAN and REZKO.
Of course Obama had nothing to do with anything, he is just a message of HOPE, UNITY and YES WE CAN. Obama takes no responsibility for any wrong doings and shady deals. Remember only praises to Obama.
Posted by: Barack-lash | Mar 3, 2008 5:55:41 PM
I am getting plenty sick and tired of Obama one speech. His greatest line is he did not support the war. Oh well, that is in the past and can't be changed. What is he going to do in the future? That is the question. Obama get out.
GO HILLARY you are the WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: LJH | Mar 3, 2008 5:51:30 PM
Finally, someone in media is trying to get to the bottom of this story.
BTW, It was not just "someone" from Obama's campaign, it was his Chief Economic Advisor, senior Obama campaign official, Austan Goolsbee, who met the Canadian consul-general in Chicago, Georges Rioux on Feb 8th. Goolsbee acknowledged telling the Canadian that Obama's position on NAFTA "is less about fundamentally changing the agreement"
Posted by: pleaseanswer | Mar 3, 2008 5:39:23 PM
I posted this comment and question earlier and have not yet seen a non-frivolous response:
"I'm not sure why those latching onto this story assume that Barack Obama is 'lying.' Is it not equally possible, or even probable, that the author of the memo in question is himself lying, exaggerating, or simply inaccurately reporting the conversation between Austan Goolsbee and the Canadian consulate official in Chicago?"
Now, don't get me wrong: I've seen enough of this blog to realize that it's a right-wing blog masquerading as objective commentary on a "mainstream media" website. But for just a moment, take a step back from the talking points most of you parrot and seriously consider the question I have posed.
I'd wager that, at this point, this "story" carries no more water than even the NYT's McCain-Iseman story.
Posted by: Brad Wesley | Mar 3, 2008 5:25:30 PM
This quote summarizes the very shady characters Obama has been affiliated with.
"Be as careful of the books you read, as of the company you keep; for your habits and character will be as much influenced by the former as by the latter."
By: Paxton Hood
Posted by: Paxton Hood | Mar 3, 2008 5:18:58 PM
Obama reminds me of Walt Whitman,
"Whitman called ''Leaves of Grass" ''the new Bible." He had a messianic view of himself as poetic Answerer come to heal American society. By absorbing and magnifying his culture's best aspects, he believed his poetry could help unify a nation fractured by class conflicts, shady politics, and racial tensions. The poet, he wrote in his preface, ''is the equalizer of his age and land. . . he supplies what wants supplying and checks what wants checking." He offered a recipe for healing: ''This is what you shall do . . . read these leaves in the open air every season of every year of your life."
Posted by: Walt Whitma | Mar 3, 2008 5:14:29 PM
The more we discover the incompetence and lack of MATURITY from the Obama camp, the more people are questioning how this guys became the front runner for the democrats.
I blame the media and all the hype they buzzed around him w/out showing all of us what type of candidate this man was.
Rezko, NAFTA, Farrakhan, Wright, Odinga, Soros, all have in common, they are RADICAL THINKERS in their BELIEFS
If I am to believe Obama is a UNITER, then where are his CENTRIST friends, and RITHG wing FRIENDS to show us he has CAPABILITIES to TIE and UNITE this NATION together. All I have seen so far are serious radical people who have INFLUENCED OBAMA's foggy thinking.
Obama is a hoax and thinking he will bring healing to our nation is laughable. I would like to see how...
Posted by: obama=pinnoccio | Mar 3, 2008 5:10:01 PM
Jeff wrote: "Obama is not Jesus."
Thanks for the insight Jeff.
This just in . . .
Hillary Clinton is not Mother Teresa either.
Posted by: Nashville_fan | Mar 3, 2008 4:50:01 PM
David Axelrod ran the Deval Patrick campaign in Massachusetts that got Patrick elected. They used a very similar slogan: Yes, We Will! instead of Yes, We Can!
Axelrod is running the Obama campaign as well. Massachusetts Dems voted for Clinton over Obama in the primary because they had already seen the hot air campaign from Deval Patrick and that when he got in office he didn't do much differently from any other politician. Obama is not Jesus. He's just another slick salesman.
Posted by: Jeff | Mar 3, 2008 4:46:47 PM
It is comical to watch this concerted effort to change the subject from Hillary Clinton's FLIP FLOP on NAFTA to whether or not an Obama aide had talks with someone from Canada.
None of this changes the fact that when Senator Clinton was co-president the first time, she was for NAFTA. And now she conveniently says she was always against it. THAT is the story of NAFTA . . . everything else is just carefully orchestrated smoke and mirrors.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Mar 3, 2008 4:33:57 PM
geevil,
That's a good one about Obama saying Canada had a President . . . kind of reminds me of the time that Senator Clinton thought that Musharaff was a candidate in those parlimentary elections in Pakistan! Good times! :)
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Mar 3, 2008 4:29:03 PM
subprime,
African Americans are voting for Barack Obama for the same reason that other Americans are - because he is the best candidate!
Obama '08
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Mar 3, 2008 4:26:04 PM
Ok keep this in mind Barack Hussein Obama has been caught many times now lying to the American people, first about his syupport for the war, and now NAFTA. If he changes NAFTA anyhow you will definitly see oil go over 4$ a gallon and Hugo chavez will be happy from what he said already!
Obama is a Fraud, anyone that votes for him is brian dead!
Posted by: spock | Mar 3, 2008 4:18:37 PM
WASHINGTON - U.S. Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama has been trying to burnish his foreign policy credentials.
So it didn't help when he called Canada's leader a "president" during a debate Tuesday in Chicago.
Asked what he'd do about the North American trade deal, Obama said it needs changes, so he'd "immediately call the president of Mexico (and) the president of Canada."
President of Canada.
even GW Bush is laughing at Obama.
Posted by: geevill | Mar 3, 2008 4:16:06 PM
This NAFTA thing just proves once again what a fraud Obama is. He is nothing more than a snake oil salesman blowing smoke into people's eyes and giving them the old razzle dazzle.
Posted by: Joe | Mar 3, 2008 4:12:40 PM
Yes, Barry I do know, I was trying to make a point that people are voting for someone they don't know anything about. They are voting because he is black. I was just making a point...I guess they should think twice about voting for him knowing he is one of candidates who is giving them the shaft on sub prime loans....
Posted by: subprime | Mar 3, 2008 3:55:49 PM
"If OBama voted for this why are the African American's voting for him?" -- subprime
You really don't know why African-Americans are voting for Barack???
Really?
Posted by: Barry Peirson | Mar 3, 2008 3:43:52 PM
tiredofit, the Republicans didn't go after Hillary Clinton. They went after President Clinton. It is true that during Kenneth Starr's Whitewater investigation some things about Hillary came up. But most of those that did were not within the scope of his investigation. So there are a lot of Hillary's questionable dealings that have never been investigated. But rest assured that they will come up in the general election should she win the nomination. In fact you can already read about many of these on the Internet.
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 3, 2008 3:33:40 PM
Obama is two faced con artist.
Asks for regular people's vote but shuts the door against them when it comes to his voting record.
This is a wall streets candidate. Look at this record and what he has voted for.
Posted by: Larry | Mar 3, 2008 3:33:20 PM
If OBama voted for this why are the African American's voting for him? They are the majority who have subprime loans and now because of Obama they are getting the shaft....thanks for the savagepolitics link...just follow the money and you know exactly where obama stands...
On February 10, 2005, Obama voted in favor of the passage of the misnamed Class Action Fairness Act of 2005 which seriously hampers the rights of ordinary citizens to challenge corporations. Senators Biden, Boxer, Byrd, Clinton, Corzine, Durbin, Feingold, Kerry Leah, Reid and 16 other democrats voted against it.
Posted by: subprime | Mar 3, 2008 3:29:40 PM
Sorry, I meant to say, "for not having done more to rid Iraq of its WMDs."
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 3, 2008 3:25:56 PM
At least Canada is doing what the MSM have not done this year; exposing Barack Obama and not letting him brush this little affair away.
Obama's associates in Chicago are piranhas, and they might have helped him in Chicago with finances but now they are all biting him in the butt.
I call it KARMA baby! what goes around comes around.
Posted by: pirahna fest over obama | Mar 3, 2008 3:24:17 PM
Dear Nobody's Fool
I made a boneheaded mistake when I said Kennedy voted for it.
However, as far as Hillary's baggage goes, Republicans were after her for 16 long years. Ken Starr spent millions of taxpayer dollars trying to get her.
Do you think that maybe over the years Republicans were at least able to get some of their swift boating slanderous rhetoric stick to her whether or not she deserved it? Mind you, Republicans went all out to get her and she is still not only standing, but is a two term Senator that is running for president of the USA.
Posted by: tiredofit | Mar 3, 2008 3:24:08 PM
tiredofit, you wrote: "Bush is the president and he is the person that did not give diplomacy nor the people looking for WMD's time."
Saddam Hussein was given TWELVE YEARS to fess up as to whether he still had WMDs or not. How much more time should we have given him? Also, if you recall (or have selectively chosen to forget), several of the leading Democrats said back in 1998 (when Congress gave President Clinton the authorization for regime change in Iraq) that Saddam Hussein would have nuclear weapons in five years. Let see...1998 plus 5 years...that would put it at 2003. If the Democrats HAD NOT LIED back in 1998, maybe we could have given Saddam Hussein a few more years. But we didn't know that THEY LIED until we actually went into Iraq. Only then did we know that Saddam Hussein mislead his neighbors and the rest of the world. But what if he had nuclear weapons in 2003 and we hadn't invaded Iraq. The only way we would have known was when they were used. And then you guys would have been all over President Bush for not done more to rid Iraq of its WMDs.
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 3, 2008 3:21:56 PM
I trust CANADA any day over BHO & AXELROD!
Posted by: falsehood | Mar 3, 2008 3:17:40 PM
I think this part of the story perfectly encapsulates exactly what the Obama campaign is about:
"The Obama campaign over the weekend falsely claimed the CTV story had been 'retracted.' It has not."
Posted by: jose | Mar 3, 2008 3:15:36 PM
Canada is to be trusted and not questioned vs trusting shady Axelrod... I would question why Axelrod and his cronies never admit how shady they are. Canada exposed them and they look like rookie crooks from chicago. Obama and his shady advisor's will never EARN my VOTE!! You are all fooled and duped by this empty rhetoric and lofty promises that he will never be able to keep!! hahahah
Posted by: canada | Mar 3, 2008 3:15:30 PM
"It appears as if once the Obama campaign believes that once it gets out of Ohio and can stop “courting” the economic populist vote they will be able to tone down their rhetoric. "
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, if someone types it up, it has to be true, right?
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Mar 3, 2008 3:10:30 PM
Red Green! Obscure? Bite your tongue.
Better yet, get some duct tape.
As for who to trust, I would trust Canadians over the likes of Axelrod any day of the week.
Posted by: Ken | Mar 3, 2008 3:06:26 PM
March 3, 2008 Part of the memo
In his closing section of the memo, DeMora said when Rioux "asked whether we could expect to hear more of this as the elections progressed, Goolsbee thought not. In fact, he mentioned that going forward the Obama camp was going to be careful to send the appropriate message without coming off too protectionist.
"As Obama continues to court the economic populist vote, particularly in upcoming contests like Ohio, we are likely to see a continuation of some of the messaging that hasn't played in Canada's favour but this should continue to be viewed in the context in which it is delivered.''
It appears as if once the Obama campaign believes that once it gets out of Ohio and can stop “courting” the economic populist vote they will be able to tone down their rhetoric. Does this statement mean Obama believes Ohioians are suckers or chumps that can be played like fools with a few sweet sounding words?
Posted by: tiredofit | Mar 3, 2008 2:58:28 PM
"I'm a man, but I can change if I have to, I guess."
That is change we can believe in. not lying Obama's.
Posted by: chasseur | Mar 3, 2008 2:55:22 PM
Ken wrote:
"Or, do I believe the folks who gave us the Possum Lodge and Red Green?"
Ken, are you saying that some obscure Canandian consulate official in Chicago was responsible for an obscure Canadian sitcom and that we should therefore trust him?
If not, please elaborate....
Posted by: Brad Wesley | Mar 3, 2008 2:47:05 PM
The AP's Nedra Pickler is not to be trusted. She wrote several biased stories against Obama, such as her pro-right wing piece that questions Obama's patriotism. She is a disgrace to journalism. I'm sure she is full of lies once again.
Posted by: Where's the truth? | Mar 3, 2008 2:45:08 PM
Obama ads running in Ohio right now are attacking Clinton for supporting NAFTA. The ads promise Obama has never supported NAFTA and that he will end it. Sounds like Mr. Obama is a bit confused on the issues—which seems to be a recurring trend.
I applaud you, Mr. Tapper, for refusing to join the media circus that is entirely too fixated on Barak Obama. It's refreshing to know that there is at least one member of the media who isn't ready and willing to show his bias.
Posted by: Kacie | Mar 3, 2008 2:39:14 PM
The original CTV story, the one that the Obama campaign denied, may not have been "retracted" but it was certainly "abandoned". THAT story was that a high level staff member had telephoned Candian Ambassador Wilson to warn him that Obama's statements about NAFTA would be "campaign rhetoric." -- Someone leaked that story to CTV and it certainly wasn't Obama. ------------- Also, Jake's story omits this statement from the memo: ""On NAFTA, Goolsbee suggested that Obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favour of strengthening/clarifying language on labour mobility and environment and trying to establish these as more `core' principles of the agreement." This is quite consisted with what Obama said publicly in the debate. ----- If the press is going to "do its job," it should find out who leaked that false story. THAT's the story here and it IS the same old politics ... but it was done by someone other than Obama.
Posted by: Elizabeth | Mar 3, 2008 2:37:25 PM
Let me see...
Do I believe the folks who gave us David Axelrod and the Obama campaign?
Or, do I believe the folks who gave us the Possum Lodge and Red Green?
What say you, eh?
Posted by: Ken | Mar 3, 2008 2:37:09 PM
I'm not sure why those latching onto this story assume that Barack Obama is "lying." Is it not equally possible, or even probable, that the author of the memo in question is himself lying, exaggerating, or simply inaccurately reporting the conversation between Austan Goolsbee and the Canadian consulate official in Chicago?
Posted by: Brad Wesley | Mar 3, 2008 2:31:07 PM
Dear tiredofit,
You wrote:
"Obama's supporters Ted Kennedy and John Kerry both saw the same intelligence Hillary did and they voted the same as her. Does Obama think they are old and incompetant as well?"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
First of all Ted Kennedy DID NOT vote to authorize the Iraq war.
Second of all Senator Clinton could give time for diplomacy by not voting for the war.
Lastly Senator Clinton has WAY MORE BAGGAGE in the scandal department. So let's not go there, okay?
P.S. John Kerry knows how to admit a mistake and Senator Clinton doesn't, just like George W. Bush.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Mar 3, 2008 2:29:30 PM
Remember when Dems were up in arms against Republicans like Senator Larry Craig? Not so much because he got caught making a pass a another man, but because they claimed to be the party of "family values". Well Obama has based his entire campaign on being the candidate of "change" and the candidate of the "future". Instead what do we find out when news about him actually gets reported? Not only does he have no substance, but his rhetoric is nothing more than OLD politics.
Hillary 2008 we need a nominee that has been vetter for 16 years and has substance to boot.
Posted by: tiredofit | Mar 3, 2008 2:24:27 PM
Dear Clear Choice,
Sadly I do listen, thus I keep hearing misninformation comming from you.
I'm glad you brought up that Iraq quote for Senator Obama, because as usual, you left the most important part out:
"What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made."
You can read a complete Fact Check debunking this much touted Clinton campaign inaccuracy here:
P.S. Did you say something about waffling? Isn't Senator Clinton the one who is for/against Driver's licenses for undocumented workers, for/against NAFTA, for/against seating the Florida and Michigan delegates, for/against lobbyists (cause they are people too), for/against negative campaigning . . .
Posted by: Nobody's fool | Mar 3, 2008 2:19:03 PM
As a Canadian for those of you who believe it's just our Conservative govt trying to interfere in your campaign it was actually the NDP (our left of centre 3rd party, I'm a member) who raised it in the house of commons.
For Canadians who are furious at Harper right now, it's more likely for signiong bad trade deals with the US liek Softwood Lumber, or not pulling out of Afghanistan. As for NAFTA we're happy to renegotiate.
Posted by: jas | Mar 3, 2008 2:12:21 PM
Yes, Yes, Yes we can!! Select a candidate of substance. Hillary 2008
This and the Rezko deal are at least 2 reasons Dems have to slow down and make sure Obama is vetted before we run him against McCain or a possible surprise Huckabee.
The Republicans will chew Obama up and spit him out as soon as the press gets bored with the same old same old speeches.
Obama's latest misleading statement regarding Hillary's Iraq vote which he did NOT have to make is that Hillary did not give them time for diplomacy. Hillary did not give them time? What kind of idiots believe that the length of diplomacy was up to Hillary? Bush is the president and he is the person that did not give diplomacy nor the people looking for WMD's time.
Obama's supporters Ted Kennedy and John Kerry both saw the same intelligence Hillary did and they voted the same as her. Does Obama think they are old and incompetant as well?
Posted by: tiredofit | Mar 3, 2008 1:50:32 PM
Nobody's fool seems you don't listen, she has agreed to have them released, she said so January 31 and the process is underway, so no bait and switch like you are doing on a blog about Obama lies about NAFTA!
Obama on Iraq stated nationally in 2004 "if I was a US Senator at the time of the vote I do not know how I would have voted as being privy to National Security issues and Whitehouse conversations" That is the truth of the matter, convinience is to talk of a stump speech and nothing there after! Even his support of Bush in 2005 regarding the war!
So the clear choice isn't someone who waffles on a subject to gain support, that is old school politics....opps Obama is for change, forgot after rising in politics on dirty money he is the new champion of change...tsk tsk!
Posted by: Clear Choice | Mar 3, 2008 1:42:33 PM
When is Obama going to release all his earmarks so we can see how much pork went to his Chicago backers?
Posted by: Shuy | Mar 3, 2008 1:39:37 PM
Dear preview,
You wrote:
"If this is a PREVIEW of how Obama is going to be as a President of USA and the leader of the world, I would take a few steps back and really worry about how he would handle world politics/economics/war against Al qaida. "
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, if you wanna use the whole "campaign as preview" model, then clearly Senator Obama is the superior candidate. Clearly.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Mar 3, 2008 1:33:35 PM
Dear Clear Choice,
There is no need for me to "protect" Senator Obama. However, there is a GREAT NEED to refute the misinformation that floats around the internet as fact.
Senator Clinton hasn't released her 2006 Tax returns which are already complete and available. Nice try with the old "bait and switch" technique in referencing the 2007 taxes. What "things" would she have to go through to release her 2006 taxes? She has no trouble at all releasing Senator Obama's kindergarten records and photos, so what's the hold up?
And in terms of Senator Obama and the Iraq war, you can say what you want, but the fact is - Senator Obama was AGAINST the war and Senator Clinton was FOR the war.
Whether or not Senator Obama was in the U.S. Senate, Illinois legislature, or in the backyard at his cousin's house, it is a documented fac that he opposed the war. And he was right. Nothing you can say is gonna change it.
We do agree on one thing however . . . America has a clear choice . . . here's hoping they make the right call.
Obama '08
Posted by: Nobody's fool | Mar 3, 2008 1:25:55 PM
OBAMA YES WE CAN CHANGE: I say no you have to change first and remove all your shady characters that you are hanging out with.
This man will never ever hold the office as the USA president of AMERICA...noooo you are a shady character slithering in between your scandals...We are noticing them and the more I learn about you the more I despise you.
Is that why the Obama Camp is telling hillary to Get OUT! is it because in the next 50 days when the people are reminded daily of REZKO in trial and learn more about your associations, the halo will not been shining anymore.
I say OBAMA you are a crook and a shady Chicago politician
Posted by: Obama reminds of a used car salesman | Mar 3, 2008 1:17:54 PM
If this is a PREVIEW of how Obama is going to be as a President of USA and the leader of the world, I would take a few steps back and really worry about how he would handle world politics/economics/war against Al qaida.
This just tells me he is a rookie and needs more experience. Just b/c you surround yourself with Competent people does not make up for the fact that you lack knowledge and experience. You cannot depend on Economics professors, and advisor's to make the final call for all your decision I just hope he won't call this scandal a 'bone headed mistake' we are getting too many of them lately from the Obama camp.
Posted by: Preview | Mar 3, 2008 1:13:59 PM
Nobodys fool- you miss the debates, she said her taxes were in the process and it isn't as easy and here you go, there are things that they have to go through to be released!
Strange, you will throw up inuendos to protect Obama, yet when he is caught red handed in lies, you change the subject, even when he lies saying "I did not vote for the war in Iraq" you believe him, when the truth is he wasn't a US Senator when the vote took place, and when confronted on it, he states "I was in a tough fight for the Senate" and it was a pivital issue facing the voters when he spoke out on it! Fact is, he didn't even start running for the Senate for a year after the vote happened in 2002 he made a speech to an anti-war rally of 350 people in Chicago and that is the end of his rhetoric against the war! Everything since has been "I don't know how I would have voted if I was a US Senator at the time of the vote"!
Facts are facts and this issue is Obama BAMBOOZLING for votes and not telling the truth, caught and spin everything else than the truth once again!
Posted by: Clear Choice | Mar 3, 2008 1:12:07 PM
Obama-YIKES, Senator Clinton has not released her tax returns. On Sunday, Howard Wolfson indicated they would be released April 15, 2008. Why do you think it is that she doesn't want to release them?
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Mar 3, 2008 1:01:44 PM
Roger Barton selective memory?
Clinton's camp said immediately that no one did and if it came to be proven someone did, they would be ousted from her campaign!
Why not spill the entire truth and not just titbits in attempts to distort the truth?
Another BAMBOOZLED Obama supporter!
Posted by: Clear Choice | Mar 3, 2008 12:59:29 PM
Does the Clinton Camp forget, that CTV also mentioned that Hillary's campaign did the same thing? I believe the press should also mention that fact, as it was also mentioned in the CTV report.
Posted by: Roger Barton | Mar 3, 2008 12:52:54 PM
alison Your savior Obama brought up NAFTA as an attack against Clinton, opps that is politics of old according to Obama, but he did it anyhow! In doing so, he said he'd renegoticate NAFTA, which Canadians want done simply because of all the oil and natural gas they are locked into in by NAFTA to supply the US when Canada can make far more money sending it to China due to export duties!
Bill Clinton was in Toronto saturday night for a fundraiser for African Aides benefit charity long set up with Elton John and Sharkira amongst others!
Geez, why do people for Obama attempt at distorting the truth?
About time some people educated themselves instead of listening to words that are just words!
The count of Obama falsehoods this past week sits at 12 and rising, but he will change it all when his is elected President, yeah right! Just as he has a wonderful record on fighting terrorism sitting on the Senate Oversight Commitee covering NATO...opps, he is Chair of that commitee and hasn't heald a single hearing on it, but that is ok, looks good on Obama's resume!
BAMBOOZLED Obama style!
Posted by: Clear Choice | Mar 3, 2008 12:44:46 PM
So much misinformation, so little time . . .
When Senator Obama said "it never happened" he was referring to the fact that no one from his campaign told Canadian officials anything about NAFTA that contradicted the positions he shared at the Ohio debate. That is not the same as sayng "there was no conversation".
Now the real question is - why is this news?
Who benefits from this "story" being reported?
Even if everything in the "summary" by the Canadian official were true, what does it prove?
Why is the "narrative" about Senator Obama getting soft news coverage being peddled when he has dealt with one smear after another from "day 1" of this campaign? (Slush fund, drug dealer, muslim, unpatriotic, ambitious kindegartner, plagiarism, race card, cult leader, and I could go on and on.)
This campaign will be won or loss on it's merits, and Senator Obama has run a better campaign and is a better candidate than Senator Clinton.
Period.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Mar 3, 2008 12:37:51 PM
here is the beef ,i will spell it out.1]when the story first broke the obama campaign said the meeting never happened and the people on the net said it was a made up clinton smear.2]then when the meeting was confirmed by the canadian gov. the campaign said that nafta was not discussed.3]now that the memo is out the campaign says his words were misunderstood.4]now the spokesman says that this person was not a major part ofthe campaign when he is obamas cheif economic advisor.so for a candidate who talks about his judgement and his new politics its the me old chicago game lie,lie and lie somemore.
Posted by: don tufts | Mar 3, 2008 12:11:10 PM
Hillary will release her tax return on April 15th.
2028.
Posted by: Rooster | Mar 3, 2008 11:55:17 AM
isn't Nedra Pickler the same AP writer who wrote a hit piece on Obama as a muslim last week and was forced to retract?
why is the ultraconservative Canadian gov't getting involved in the US race by providing "documents" and information?
why was BILL CLINTON in TORONTO Sat night?
Posted by: alison | Mar 3, 2008 11:53:07 AM
Obama's ship is sailing against the wind and the water density is like TAR. I hope that makes sense. The media has given Obama a smooth sail faaar away from scandals. But when the GOP attack machine comes out and enlighten the voters on national ad campaigns about NAFTA/REZKO scandals his ship and the water will feel like tar and against the wind. It easy to ignore scandals when the CNN,FOX,MSNBC just ignore all his faults. Somewhere in the RNC HQ, they are salivating after Obama, and the election will go to mccain.
Thanks Jack for atleast keeping this alive and scrutinizing all candidates no matter what.
Posted by: Obama's ship | Mar 3, 2008 11:49:15 AM
Why is it that people throw the Clinton's into a story that is solely based on Obama for?
Is it when nothing intelligent to say on the facts of a story, bamboozling is the order of the day?
Sometimes you have to wornder about people and their abilities to actually think!
Posted by: Clear Choice | Mar 3, 2008 11:47:54 AM
Hillary will release her tax return on April 15th
Posted by: April 15th | Mar 3, 2008 11:45:13 AM
People will believe what they want to believe and memories tend to laps, as last week when this broke, everyone was believing the Obama camp statements that:
"No one from the Obama campaign ever met with any Canadian Government person"
Even when Goolsbee's name was revealed, the Obama campaign stood fast on stating the same, that no one ever met with any Canadian official!
No that the past lies are exposed, all we get are more lies and twists, and expected to believe them?
Face facts, this isn't a forgeign countries attempts to sway voters, it is a forgeign countries telling its population the truth, something that seems to be void of in America!
Obama and his campaign should just come out and instead of twisting and turning rhetoric again, admit the truth, why is it that everything on Obama has to be like pulling teeth?
From Rezko admissions to discrediting a foreign government and reputable media outlet, instead of simply saying, "we made a bonehead mistake" once again!
But that cannot be said when proclaiming "I have the better judgement to run this country" based on a stump speech claimed to be made when running for the Senate, opps he wasn't running for the Senate when he made that speech, he ran for the Senate 2 years after that speech!
Oh yea it was because he has judgement like Sen Rockafeller from WV does as Chair of the Intelligence oversight commitee who voted against the Iraq war! Opps again, Sen Rockafeller wasn't ochair of the Senate Oversight Commitee in 2002, and he actually voted for the war!
Words are listened to and checked out, but what the heck, bamboozling is the word of the day isn't it!
Posted by: Clear Choice | Mar 3, 2008 11:43:28 AM
Obama is a product of the corrupt Chicago Machine. Its interesting how Obama in his debates said I was part of the ethics reform committee to look at shady senators and lobbyists, then he said I don't believe in deals being made behind doors. I want all deals on the table infront of the American people.
This is just another shady deal by a shady chicago politician. Hillary had her Whitewater scandal Obama is getting the Rezko scandal. There are more and more things I am learning about Obama that really makes me question if he was just a made up figure the media helped rise up in popularity. This guy is full of contradictions and false claims/statements.
This man is a product of Chicago which is notorious for being corrupt and doing business with sleazy characters. Its interesting how the MSM and Drudge are still trying to push hillary out and protecting Obama and the public from all of these scandals. I just hope he is ready for the "527 republican machine" they will not leave a stone unturned and this NAFTA/SHAFTA thing plus Rezko/Farrakhan will all be tied into national ad campaign. I just say good luck Obama trying to win all the RED states you won. You need to pray to GOD if you get the nomination that you will actually earn a single vote from the Hillary campaign. The Hispanics/ the Hillary voters will never endorse him. Good Luck Barack H. Obama you'r Halo is fading and this Yes we Can speeches are about to be retired...You have ties to some of the most radical people in the US and nobody is going to just ignore that.
Posted by: Chicago Prouct | Mar 3, 2008 11:43:15 AM