Political Punch

Right on JSN. What you said is SO true!

What happened to Separation of Church and State. Every American be politician or not has the right to choose his or her own faith group or church. Politics is politics and religion is relilgion. Our forefathers settled this issue a long time ago. We want to go back to square one and screw things up. This is clearly a violation of Senator Obamas personal faith reguaredless. For anyone to debate or question this issue befalls our Constitution. Be American and respect our traditions they have worked for alot longer than any of you have been around.

Mr. Hannity could care less who your next president is. This shock jock wants more attention, more ratings, more money, period. He loves a racist rant so he can point his little finger. I'm not fooled Mr. Hannity, you are a racist and the worst kind. You sit back react to other's percieved racial remarks and cry foul. Mr. Hannity, Rush, Mr. Grant should disclaim that they are for entertainment purposes only. No self respecting voter shoud base his/her valuable vote on their twisted views that are only spewed for shock value.

Also did not Michelle Obama's speech about not being proud of this country sound like a preaching by this minister?

to all obamaites,what excuse are you going to give when the american public finds out that he straight LIED to them about ever being at one of wrights divisive sermons.he has and all you have to do to prove it is to go to newsmax.com aug 9th 2007 and read the article.now maybe some of you will not think that wright refering to the United States of White America and obama nodding his head in agrement is bad.i personally do and im sure that a lot of other americans will also.two things he Lied and for the saint thats supposed to unite us to nod in agrement to me means he does not believe his own words.

There are some facts that the african american community needs to face.

These are the facts and they are unrefutable.

1. Not every white person endorsed slavery.
2. Africans have sold africans into slavery.
3. Africans continue to enslave africans today.

Face the facts:

Some white people did your ancestors wrong, some didn't care and some helped right the wrong.

Some black person could have sold your ancestors to some white person.

If you were born in Africa now, you could be a slave.

What does this all mean to you? Be glad you're in America, study hard and work hard. Stop playing the victim.

I tell you, I'm sick and tired of hearing the slave sob story. Yes, I agree that it's wrong and that it should be condemned. But FFS, MOVE ON!

For all those obama supporters.

IF he wasn't wrong about Wright, If those videos are miscontrued and Wright is indeed the patriot you paint him out to be,

WHY IS HE APOLOGISING?!

WHY IS HE DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM WRIGHT?

You don't apologise when you're right and you don't distance yourself from things you believe in. Take yourself as an example, you are neither apologising nor distancing yourself from Obama BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. Your conviction demands you stand by your beliefs and I applaud your integrity for that!

Your beloved leader however, does not share your convictions!

The problem with Pastor Wright hating white people is that he is forgetting that many white people gave their lives during the civil war so that black people could be free. Many white people thought slavery was wrong back then and many white people since then have fought for the rights of black people. You can not change racism by preaching racism. And Obama cannot unite people when he belongs to a separatist church.

Ms. Odell,
So as a liberal I'm supposed to somehow feel guilty about the black experience and I can atone for it by a) being quiet if hate remarks are spewed my direction or b) voting for Barack Obama? Frankly, I don't think this is what Senator Obama stands for and the reason he condemned the pastor's remarks. Or is Senator Obama just trying to play it safe?

Malthusian,
Have you noticed a substantial difference in the overall participation and tenor of this blog since the Wright matter has erupted? It looks to me that sentiments are running about 4 to 1 against your position, and holding. If any more evidence comes in that purports to show Obama judgement the dam might break on him. What then?

I am disappointed and hopeful at the same time. I understand that the history of African Americans is not taught in schools and therefore there may be a level of ignorance regarding the black experience. Unless you have been Black in America you "CAN NOT" fully understand the emotional experiences of racism. Unless you have attended a Service at Trinity Church you are uninformed. Trinity Church in Chicago is a Christian Based Church with an African American Congregation that has direct knowledge and experience of being Black in America.

Black Americans were not invited to America they were brought in chains as less than human. We are only a few generations removed from these atrocities, and yet Black Americans have survived.

As a nation if America is to prosper and survive it will need to embrace the idea of judging individuals not on the color of their skin. All of us are mixed with something. No one is pure anything. Our commonality is humanity.

America has not been a complete angel in the world, the reality is that there are other countries that hate us.

America the world is watching you. Stop hating and love your neighbor, your life may depend in it.

Harriet,
Those are some might sweeping generalizations. Isn't that like the church accusing the media of an attack on them, because of a 30 second sound byte over a thirty year history? My question out of this is whether the church sufficiently groomed Barack Obama to be President, since that is from where he took much of his foundation.

Harriet, you really think you have everyone figured out don't you? It sounds like you disapprove of anyone who believes differently than you. Let's all say it together "God Damn America", does that make you feel better?

Harriet it's unfortunate you are so short sighted as to feel that anyone who disagrees with the pastors SELF DESCRIBED radical views is a racist.

The hypocrisies you speak of lie within your own value system and not that of the American people.

No society is perfect and blaming all the woes of a society on a race of people is ignorant.

Every time a black person mentions the proven historical oppression of their people, some white people scream reverse racism, How sad, how ignorant, and how despicable a claim that some fearful white people are making of the current mud slinging in American politics. If there were a God, that God would not be proud of many of Humanities actions toward Humanity on this planet. Is it a new concept that a religious leader would talk about damnation of actions of individuals, a group, or even a Nation from God? No. J Fawell, P. Robertson, R. Parsly, J. Haggy have all made statements about Liberals, gays, Muslims, the ACLU, The NAACP, and women’s right groups that are not founded in any form of reality. These “tapes” of Jeremiah Wright are full of some things that are the truth and some things that are conjecture like HIV’s origin. His assertion that we brought 911 on ourselves, that statement has a yes and no answer to it, which we are still debating to this very moment. Were we told the complete truth about Iraq? Not according to UK, the Pentagon, or the CIA. The Tuskegee Experiment Really Happened. We are the # 2 weapons supplier to the world. Hiroshima could have been handled better, say dropping the A-Bomb off the coast of Japan thus intimidating them into surrender and saving innocent life. But who knows in hindsight what could have been in that situation. So where is the controversial statement other than the HIV aspect? If you are white, ask yourself, can you really relate to the victims of hundreds of years of hate filled slavery and discrimination? Can you relate to being a Jewish victim of Hitler if you are a Christian and white? No. One could come close. But never, ever really, truly achieving the same level of understanding as the victim

Sorry about the reposting and any previous typo errors. Thank you for you time.
What would victory in Iraq be, if there were such a thing to be had? Who surrenders? How can we tell what level of safety is considered a victory? Will we be there until Utopia is achieved in Iraq? We all should realize that anything close to a Utopia in the Middle East not going to be a reality. We rid Iraq of Saddam, Iraq had a Vote, the new government passed a constitution, and has some form of a security force. Why is that Victory not enough? The war was sold to the American Public based on conjecture and false pretenses. By international law it was technically, Illegal. We were not attacked by Iraq on 911 as stated by the Pentagon’s recent report. So it was an unprovoked action. Not to mention the fact that Iraq voted country into a theocracy with our US tax payer help. We also created 1000’s of young terrorists with the anti-Muslim rhetoric from conservative pundits and our “kill them all and let God sort them out” dogma. We shocked and awed them to win their “hearts and minds,” If we have a victory in Iraq it will never be the one any rational person should hope for. Is another Islamic State what the region needs? Is that Democracy, Letting religion run a nation? Just because you have a vote does not mean you cannot vote yourself right back into tyranny. Which is just what Iraq did (with our help). The lesson is that there is less freedom of religion now in Iraq. And our cultural ignorance has fed right into the rhetoric of people like Bin Laden. We through the blunder of our foreign policy and war on a tactic, “terror” has brought the world more “terror” and vicariously became Bin Laden’s personal recruiter. This is a position we should be in. The side effects of this massive hemorrhage in decision-making are flowing down hill right into our economy, our liberty, our credibility as a nation, and the future safety. We as a nation need to stop voting for more of the same we need to vote

I feel it is too late for condemnation for a man who is running on the premise that WORDS MATTER. He cant have it both ways. For 20 years he never condemn this man.

Sorry about the reposting and any previous typo errors. Thank you for you time.
What would victory in Iraq be, if there were such a thing to be had? Who surrenders? How can we tell what level of safety is considered a victory? Will we be there until Utopia is achieved in Iraq? We all should realize that anything close to a Utopia in the Middle East not going to be a reality. We rid Iraq of Saddam, Iraq had a Vote, the new government passed a constitution, and has some form of a security force. Why is that Victory not enough? The war was sold to the American Public based on conjecture and false pretenses. By international law it was technically, Illegal. We were not attacked by Iraq on 911 as stated by the Pentagon’s recent report. So it was an unprovoked action. Not to mention the fact that Iraq voted country into a theocracy with our US tax payer help. We also created 1000’s of young terrorists with the anti-Muslim rhetoric from conservative pundits and our “kill them all and let God sort them out” dogma. We shocked and awed them to win their “hearts and minds,” If we have a victory in Iraq it will never be the one any rational person should hope for. Is another Islamic State what the region needs? Is that Democracy, Letting religion run a nation? Just because you have a vote does not mean you cannot vote yourself right back into tyranny. Which is just what Iraq did (with our help). The lesson is that there is less freedom of religion now in Iraq. And our cultural ignorance has fed right into the rhetoric of people like Bin Laden. We through the blunder of our foreign policy and war on a tactic, “terror” has brought the world more “terror” and vicariously became Bin Laden’s personal recruiter. This is a position we should be in. The side effects of this massive hemorrhage in decision-making are flowing down hill right into our economy, our liberty, our credibility as a nation, and the future safety. We as a nation need to stop voting for more of the same we need to vote

We actually have an example of how the MSM plays the “guilt by association” card when it comes to certain political and religious figures. In the 2000 campaign George W. Bush spoke once at Bob Jones University; it was an event used to bludgeon Bush with for the rest of the campaign and into his presidency. And, of course, Bush did not attend Bob Jones University, financially support it, or consider Bob Jones to be his spiritual mentor or close friend for 25 years. Yet these things mattered not at all. Bush spoke at Bob Jones University — and so to many in the press, he was joined at the hip with it. The association between Reverend Wright and Senator Obama is far deeper in every respect.

Peter Wehner

Malthusian77, I wouldn't bet the farm on Obama heading up the Dem ticket, at least not with PA, IN, KY, FL and MI revotes still remaining. Oh, and who knows when another explosive Obama associate will burst inconveniently on to the scene to spoil your fantasies – the Weather Underground anyone? Yeah, do a little research, and start fidgeting because Rev. Wright may just be an offensive buffoon but essentially harmless but others close to Obama may not be.

If Obama is so stupid as to not know what his church stands for over 20 years, then he is incapable of being President of the United States of America.

Obamas church awarded Louis Farrakhan, the black separatist leader, and award last year, don't tell me Obama and other church members didn't know as it was awarded in the church.

Obama has tried to cheat America and he's lost now.

Obama will never win the general election because the majority of voters are not black separatist and don't have the racist views that Obama has subscribed to for 20 years through his church.

From all of this evidence coming out about who Obama really is he's lost my vote.

I wish I could take back my primary vote for Obama.

Obama has lied to us and a lot of us are angry at being betrayed by Obama.

Bartlebybickle: Like it or not, we'll test your hypothesis in November, with Obama leading the Democatic ticket.

Obama, should not have to deny or rebut was his church leader's say and think. Not everyone believes in everything thier church believes. On the other hand from the ABC News report this morning, his church leader did not say anything that people are not already thinking. The United States was built on trusting God, yet we have taken it out of the schools for our children and removed all word "in god we trust" from so many other area's of government. Our nation is at war because of religious beliefs, yet our nation shows no belief in religion.

Malthusian77, I judge my candidates on the entirety of their ideas, experience, flaws, etc., not mere words.
Thanks for trying but Obama as the Dem nominee will mean a 48 or 49 state landslide for McCain.
A candidate's strength in the primaries don't correlate with the GE?? That's risible. Do some research into the past several GEs and then come back to tell me that a guy who carries Idaho, Montana, etc., but can't prevail in OH, FL, PA, NJ and other states that actually matter (yeah, sorry, small states, but that's how the math works) actually has a shot in hell. Especially with his Goddamning America "crazy ole uncle" on his back. Wake up, folks, it's over for Obama no matter the math.

DCVoter, WestCoastMessanger and Jay, the Hillarylovers, please wait and see, the delegate count will remain on Obama's side with my a margin of 200 and the popular vote will go to him and the number of states won will go to him also. Obama is on the first place closer to the nomination, Hillary is the second and Hillary has to accept that reality and live with it. OBAMA08.

Jo: Here is what Reverend Wright said: "Some of my fellow clergy don't appreciate what we're all about. The feel like we're too radical. Others we ain't radical enough. Too emotional. Not emotional enough. Our emphasis on African history, on scholarship --"

You've got a lot of nerve to use a partial quote and then call Obama a liar.

In his 1993 memoir "Dreams from My Father," Obama recounts in vivid detail his first meeting with Wright in 1985. The pastor warned the community activist that getting involved with Trinity might turn off other black clergy because of the church's radical reputation.

-------------

So in Obamas own words in 1993 he states that he knew the pastor was radical, and now after attending his church for 20 years he's telling us he didn't know his pastor was radical. Obama is a liar.

P.S. The argument about Clinton winning key battleground states is complete nonsense, and I can't believe that the Clinton campaign is spinning such worthless "logic." Whether you do it by math or by history, there is no correlation between primary wins/losses WITHIN a party, and general elections.

Bartlebybickle: The numbers I gave are accurate, and Clinton won't get there. Obama has risen above the hateful statements of Pastor Wright, and is not implicated in the Rezko trial. You think the Republicans don't have a few kitchen sinks to throw at Clinton? Why do you think they are voting for her in the primaries? Obama has the best intellect, demeanor, and policies I've seen in a long time, and I'm going to judge him on what HE says.

I don't understand how my fellow Dems can muster up the forced cheer for a candidate that is finished. Check the latest numbers, Malthusian77, in the key battleground states Obama LOSES by bigger margins than even Hillary. And wait till they play those Jeremiah Wright rants in their attack ads!
Hillary actually has a fighting chance (yeah, she's a tough old you-know-what, there's nothing the Rovian machine can throw at her that didn't already come up during Bill's years). Better yet, the Dems could actually come to their senses and decide to win the GE by drafting Edwards or Gore, but, no, that would be about as wishful as thinking Obama acutually has a shot at the presidency.

To Peter! from London. Your sentiment is echoed around the world. To DCvoter, soldierdog, so saddened and others, who were up 'till the wee hours spreading myths and rumors ... get some sleep, then wake up and smell the coffee: Clinton won't get the 64.2% of remaining delegates she needs.

Frankly, there has to be something wrong with Obama! He listened to that anti-american rant for 20 years and even took his young daughters there.

When that pastor preached about 9/11 being America's fault, Obama still chose to stay. That tells me everything i need to know about this man and his superior judgment...

i am Macjive, i resident in the UK.

i NEVER KNEW AMERICANS ARE THIS ILLITERATE AND GULLIBLE- (sorry 60%)
The fact that a pastor in a church at a time (5 mins) said something inflamatory
does it mean that he says it all the time ?,
does it mean, that is his believe and position ?
does it mean his congregation are unpatriotic and should be held accountable to a 5 mins spill?

What people should be asking should be:

IS THAT A REOCCURRING SERMON IN THE CHURCH ?
Even the pope has said something inflamatory at a time ,

does it mean,that is the position of the catholic church, and hence every member in the church.

Remember ur vote today, will be ur vindication tomorrow.
" Americans this is ur time to show commitment and participation to the American dream that blood and sweat has being sacrified freely and willing for "

vote for ur future.

Welcome home Clinton supporters. We wont hold it against you for being duped. We know the vetting did not begin early enough because he tried to set the play nice tone to prevent it. The important thing now is to get the word out and help the voters in the remaining states see through the hype and lies. We can make it happen, 60% of the remaining delegates and Clinton passes Obama in delegates and popular vote then the supers dont have to worry about the pressure being placed on them. Remember, only the black supers are being pressured to move to Obama based on race. Stand with conviction and unite with Clinton to beat McCain.

Do you really believe that Obama is such an idoit that in 20 years he never had a clue to what his mentor, pastor, and life coach was peaching? Do you really believe this? Obama himself said words are important, they bring hope, fear, and they can hurt. Obama is 20 years late on denouncing his pastor (crazy uncle).

VOTE AGAINST OBAMA ... ELSE BE READY TO GREET UNCLE REV. WRIGHT TO THE WHITE HOUSE!

Personally, evidence of Obama attending is damning but I dont think it will matter much. Most thinking and moral people realize that he mustve known (there is lots of evidence of his knowledge) and he did not distance himself until it was politically necessary and the perception is that he lied and used poor judgement and continues to do so. This wont go away... it will only get worse. If you have already voted, be active online, talk to friends, family, etc. The Internet is a great viral medium. If you have not voted yet, Vote Clinton!

Yep Jay - but as was discussed on This Week, these things can be checked. If nothing more than simply checking the flight data, the secret service reports, the reporters schedules, etc. There is evidence in there somewhere.

Trinity services start at 7:30am. If Obama stayed an hour (normal service) and left at 8:30 am.. 1/2 hour to Midway Airport and in the air by 9:15 Arrive in Miami by 12 noon ( allowing 2 hour and 45 minutes flight and landing, would be 1 pm Eastern time & half hour to drive to the event.
I think it is a very real possibility he attended the service and spoke in Miami.

DCVoter,
As I said early, I vote for and support Hillary Clinton not because she is BLACK or WHITE skin but because she can distinct WHITE or BLACK when facing national problems or issues while Mr. Obama even can’t distant himself from the Pastor who hates America so much and want to be US President. Go damn America,I hope it is not come true. I always ask myself and tell my family, if you don’t like the country where you live, then who will?

Dave - Obama doesnt fly commercial... your times are all messed up LOL

Sleep well Dave South Bend, but a Chicago to Miami flight is approx 2 1/2 hours, faster if you're on a private jet. So if Obama went to the 8am service and left at 9am even with traveling time to Midway Airport he still would have enough time with the time difference.

Funny how the Obamites want to move on and: not address the matter at hand; not wait for more proof; not find out if Obama is lying again with his fact check denial; not talk about the issues because they cant defend Obama; and all of the other issues discussed in this thread... uh huh obamadoo happens, spin the barrel some more axelrod, the compost stinks

vanessa, you say that it's ok now since there's a new pastor. but the new pastor was dancing in glee as the old pastor gave those sermons - it's on tape. and the new pastor preaches the same stuff the old one did. obama says no need to leave the church because there's a new pastor. he's trying to pull another snow job.

and you sound pleased that obama "contacted those ministers" to say he wasn't against wright, just the comments. reference unclear, but sounds like another instance of saying one thing publicly and another privately. in any case, if you're not against a minister who preaches hatred for decades, something's wrong.

I vote for and support Hillary Clinton not because she is BLACK or WHITE skin but because she can distinct WHITE or BLACK when facing national problems or issues. Did anyone recall that she was the first to start Universal Health Care movement back in 1992-1993 when everyone thought it was a silly thing?

The Church itself and the pastor are not a problem because we have freedom of speech. It’s the US President Candidate who are going that Church for 20 years and claim himself as patriot and doesn’t condemns it until the news leak out.

Well, someone's going to be made out to be a liar. It's either Newsmax or Senator Obama.

Did Senator Obama have secret service detail back then? Plane itinerary? If Senator Obama is going to make the statement that he was not there, then I take his word for it.

However, if ANY evidence comes out contrary to this, he can kiss his presidential bid buh-bye. He's putting so much more on the line posting this as a "fact" on his website. Yikes.

DVC-I noticed the paid guy and they sure as heck don't get much for their money these days.

us senate, nobody reads cut and paste stuff, just makes our page down buttons wear out faster.

Did Obama leave the racist hate church? No! Did Obama support the hate church? Yes, $22,500 worth. That buys a lot of hate.

lom, lol re born again new politician!

the thing about the repubs putting together a bill containing all of obama's proposals and it going down 97 to 0 and obama himself voting against it, apparently without even realizing it contained his own proposals - is too funny for words, on so many levels. he doesn't know his own proposals. he doesn't think before voting, or he'd know how it looks to vote against your own proposals. and he says he can reach across the aisle and the repubs will work with him, etc., but they basically mocked him, and the dems went along with it. shows how little respect his fellow senators have for him and shows how stupidly naive he is about his so-called ability to reach across the aisle. SO funny!!!

Brother Wright said, the white man invented the HIV virus to kill the black man and Obama still has not said that is wrong.

so saddened -- Is there such thing as a born-again "new politician?"

joseph, there's not enough wine in the world to make obama's nonsense believable. but the obamaites might find it helpful as they mourn their lost innocence when they finally realize what a charlatan he is.

try using a real source that is not biased "US Senate" LOL i am paging down through most of your diatribe

In October 2002, before being elected to the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama made a speech opposing the Bush Administration's plan to go to war in Iraq because he felt it was an ill-conceived venture which would "require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undermined cost, with undetermined consequences."

Now, as a U.S. Senator, Senator Obama has continued to critique the Administration's mishandling of this war, and believes that while our troops have done an outstanding job in Iraq, there can be no military solution to what is inherently a political conflict between Iraq's warring factions. The only hope to end this burgeoning civil war is for Shias, Sunnis, and Kurds to come together and resolve their differences. That's why Senator Obama agrees with the Iraq Study Group's conclusion that we must begin a phased redeployment of American troops to signal to the government and people of Iraq that ours is not an open-ended commitment.

To set a new course for U.S. policy that can bring a responsible end to the war, Senator Obama introduced the Iraq War De-escalation Act in January 2007. The legislation would have begun a redeployment of U.S. forces no later than May 1, 2007, with the goal of removing all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008, a date that was consistent with the expectation of the Iraq Study Group.

The Obama plan allows for a limited number of U.S. troops to remain as basic force protection, to pursue international terrorists, and to continue the training of Iraqi security forces. If the Iraqis are successful in meeting the 13 benchmarks for progress laid out by the Bush Administration, this plan also allows for the temporary suspension of the redeployment, provided Congress agrees that the benchmarks have been met and that the suspension is in the national security interest of the United States.

Since this legislation was introduced, Senator Obama has continued to be a strong advocate for legislative actions that could bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end. He opposes funding for the war in Iraq that does not immediately begin the responsible removal of our troops from Iraq, with a clear timeline and end-date for this drawdown.

Senator Obama has also stressed the importance of holding private security contractors like Blackwater USA accountable to ensure that their conduct is not jeopardizing our military's efforts to bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end. In February 2007, he introduced the Transparency and Accountability in Military and Security Contracting Act. One provision, which requires federal departments to compile and report information to Congress on the role of contractors operating in Iraq, was passed by Congress as an amendment to the defense authorization act. Senator Obama is also working to pass other components of his legislation to increase accountability of American security contractors operating in war zones by subjecting them to U.S. criminal law.

"Greta, Barak is the candidate of Unity, HOPE, togetherness and lifting-up each other."

Keep telling yourself that and perhaps it will become true. A glass of wine in hand will make it even more believable.

DCVoter -- I don't think it's a very compelling argument to continue the 'judgment' line of attack on Senator Clinton because of her Iraq vote AND on the other hand openly and proudly accept the support of so many other Senators who voted the same way. It seems so contradictory to me.

So, she has exhibited terrible judgment and now doesn't pass the Commander-In-Chief test. Shouldn't the same sentiment be applied to the other senators and if so, that terrible judgment is supporting Senator Obama?

Above all, quite frankly, I think judgment should be a word that is rejected and denounced by the Obama campaign after this week.

Jay - perhaps he will use the excuse that he used before saying he stayed home with the little one and Michelle and his oldest went to the sermon. Does anyone believe for a minute that she has never told him what she has heard in the sermons - especially the controversial ones? Does anyone think it is good judgment to expose his kids to hate speech?

Did TUCC donate to Obama's camp since they made money from selling the videos of his speech? Is that legal?

LOM shouldnt Obama be rejecting and denouncing the support and endorsement of all those who voted yes to the 2002 authorization? LOL

So BKL: Where exactly does Obama say he was on that Sunday? Of course they are going into denial spin mode, they have to until a video surfaces.

WestCoastMessenger - I agree it goes on but the IRS questioned the church's involvement because the posted the text of the speech and sold copies of the video. Pretty blatant violation. Obama should not have participated in the violation and should have advised the church not to violate it. In earlier elections, people with tables outside a church promoting a candidate were deemed a violation by the church because they allowed it on church property.

@4000 | Mar 17, 2008 12:25:28 AM:

"Thank you, Hillary, for your good judgment, your experience and your patriotic stand."

In all fairness, you forgot to include Senators Daschle, Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd and Rockefeller, all Obama supporters, in your thank you statement.

You should also thank Senator Obama for having an identical voting record as Senator Clinton since he arrived in the Senate on votes pertaining to the Iraq war.

I also read an interview done with Farrakahn in January with his advice for 2008 to his followers on one of their news sites:

"Barack Obama has been very careful not to position himself as Reverend Jesse Jackson or Reverend Al Sharpton as a promoter of “The Black Cause.” He has been groomed, wisely so, to be seen more as a unifier, rather than one who speaks only for the hurt of Black people."

Given the appearance of the Nation of Islam "guards" standing BEHIND the pulpit while Wright was preaching, dont any of you find that disturbing?

DCVoter,
We agree that it is poor judgement. It would seem like a sitting U.S. Senator would have the jurisprudence and common sense to recognize the separation of church and state and would have advised his pastor to act accordingly, and would have rebuked any tender of clerical support to a political matter. On the other hand, they do this kind of stuff very openly in Baltimore. It seems like the IRS would be equally concerned about that which is happening in their own backyard.

BAGHDAD — Sometime soon, the U.S. military will suffer the 4,000th death of the war in Iraq.

When the 1,000th American died in September 2004, the insurgency was just gaining steam. The 2,000th death came as Iraq held its first elections in decades, in October 2005. The U.S. announced its 3,000th loss on the last day of 2006, at the end of a year rocked by sectarian violence.

The 4,000th death will come with the war further out of the public eye, and replaced by other topics on the front burner of the U.S. presidential campaigns.

Thank you, Hillary, for your good judgment, your experience and your patriotic stand.

2009 - on one of these articles the other day i posted a comparison of experience between Clinton and Obama without using her years as First Lady... the comparison looked at both professional and political experience, awards, activities, and both non-legislative and legislative committees... Clinton had twice as much "experience" and qualification by sheer numbers... anyone can pull the info off the vote smart website for each candidate and compare "resumes"

WestCoastMessenger - i cant chalk that up to niavete... it is a well known fact that churches who promote politicians can lose their tax exempt status... as a lawyer and Senator i am sure he knew better... churches can work causes all they want but they are "are barred from becoming directly or indirectly involved in campaigns of political candidates."

This was questioned in every election I can remember because of right wing churches trying to influence their member votes... nope i see it as poor judgment.

Barack wasn't IN THE SENATE AT ALL for the vote. He was in Illinois.

Ken,

I know that and you know that. However, when people want to put Senator Clinton's judgment into question, they seem to omit that very point that Senator Obama didn't vote for the war NOR did he vote against it because he wasn't in the Senate. I should have explicitly garnered an answer from the Obama supporters...

LAIR LIAR.

DCVoter,
Actually it does bring Obama's judgement into play, as well as the church leadership. I may have to write it off to naivete, but nonetheless, it's more poor judgement evidence, or inexperience evidence. I really don't think these guys are trying to play hardball with the IRS, though. I could be wrong, the Scientologists have tried to do it and get spanked all the time.

Good find DCVoter, it also discredits Owen Hill link post.

Owen Hill,
You are attempting to trade on the same old recycled conspiracy nut theories list that people like Rush have been hawking for several years without any success. Vanessa has already tried that once today before you. Nobody is buying. Please bring some real stuff to the table for a change.

Oh I bet fact check org is reeling over this because they said on 1/10/08:

"while its controversial pastor is a fiery advocate for blacks and liberal causes and a fierce critic of anti-black discrimination, we've seen no evidence that he preaches hatred of or discrimination against whites."

all that video evidence disputes their fact checking ROFL

Owen Hill,
Can you please just engage with specifics instead of conducting drive by dirt-tossing? Otherwise, I have to dismiss your effort as just a mean spirit. What is your specific beef with Hillary and why? Don't give me a link I have to dig through if you have a thought about it that is worth discussion.

Who do we elect to represent our party. Everything is messed up.
Anyway now is the time to ask the Sen. Clinton what her 35 yrs of experience really is. Now is the time to