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I have been totally turned off By the Obama campaign and his constant whining.
He plays innocent but lashes out in the worst of ways.
He lost my vote.

I have been totally turned off By the Obama campaign and his constant whining.
He plays innocent but lashes out in the worst of ways.
He lost my vote.

I think Hillary should stay in the race, till the end. She has run such a good race so far, in spite of all her disadvantages (superior name recognition, big lead in fundraising before the primaries).

90 Days into the Primary she's trailing a guy most people had never heard of even 6 months ago, and her campaign is dead broke. She's running a campaign based almost exclusively on "experience", which will work well against McCain who had only been in Congress for 20 years before Hillary had ever been elected to any public office. Did I mention McCain is a Bona Fide WAR HERO, not the imaginary "I think I recall sniper fire" kind.

So her only tactic left is to play the victim: "They keep asking me questions first",
"I'm not winning because of Florida and Michigan, let have a do-over"
"Hey they brought up Monica's dress, that's not fair!"

If she plans to run the country like she has run her campaign...

So many Obama supporters on this thread are having hissy-fits about Senator Clinton's Bosnian lie.

Where was the indignation when the NYTimes documented that Obama had lied to audiences in Iowa by saying that he had passed legislation in the Senate tightening regulation of the nuclear industry.

Not only was no such legislation passed, the bill he introduced he watered down to no regulation when one of his biggest contributors, Exelon, the largest nuclear company in America, lobbied him.

Let's talk about this lie, let alone the lies Obama has told about his spiritual mentor.

Perhaps there is one positive aspect of having Barack Hussein Obama as the Democratic presidential nominee.

Evidence from Obama's inability to win high electoral vote states strongly indicates that he cannot win in the general election in November. No caucus manipulation there.

Whether the negatives eminate from his radical left positions, his questionable business deals and contributors(Rezko, Ayers, and others), his hateful and offensive religious ties (Jeremiah Wright), or his hidden racism ("typical white person"), Republicans would politically emasculate Obama in a presidential election.

As evidenced with past Democratic losers (Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry), Obama's national political potential would be effectively eliminated.

A world without the plague of Obama.

Now there is change we can believe in.

The Obama camp wants Hillary to get out before all states have their say, yet they call her entitled. I find that so funny.. who thinks they are entitled now?

I appreciate Gordon Fischer's reminder to every Democrat that there is at least one more 800-lb gorilla in the room, besides the patriotism question that the Clintons and Republicans are trying to handcuff to Senator Obama, the race relations issue, the Rezko issue, etc.

Gen. Tony McPeak, James Carville, Gordon Fischer, Bill Richardson -- they all serve to keep the conversation lively on the Democratic side so that our candidate is fully-vetted long before they become the nominee.

It was not the Swift Boat Veteran's attacks that brought down John Kerry in 2004 -- it was his own lack of a strong response to them -- so we must fully vet our OWN nominee before the other side does it for us.

Geraldine Ferraro actually served the Dems well, and the nation, by making her outlandish statement because how many more millions were latently thinking the same? And Fox News' distortion of Rev. Wright's fiery sermons -- didn't these two attacks bring about Sen. Obama's strong and swift response? That speech was something Americans desparately needed to hear and were it not for the two attacks, the Philly speech would not have happened.

We don't want our nominee to be milk-toast when they face John McBush in the fall. And, no matter who wins the Presidency, they need to be able to face the leaders of rouge nations with a steady thumb on the red button. I'd much rather have the rough and tumble occur NOW, to fully vet our Commander- in-Chief rather than to solely offer on-the-job training. Staring down Mahmoud Ahmidenijad, Kim Jong-il, or Hugo Chavez -- Mr. or Mrs. Milk-toast will not be able to handle it.

If we're all adults here, then Kudos to Gordon -- do we really want to elect the spouse of a House-impeached President who questions the patriotism of his spouse's opponent? Really? Well, if so, then stained blue dresses are the least of Mrs. Clinton's worries.

Wait until the Republicans have at her in the fall. We need to tame THIS 800-lb gorilla ASAP! Thank you, Gordon, for helping us to do so, now, before the Republicans have a chance to do her in next fall.

mrlc,
I understand your concern, but the "About Us " page you are refering to on the church's website is not an "Anti-White" statement nor is it an "Anti- American" statement. The church is simply honoring the memory and the struggles of a people who have suffered. It is simply saying that it will never forget it's ancestors or the people in Africa who are still suffering. When you here the word 'Black' mentioned over and over again you must understand that doesn't mean 'ANTI-WHITE' Just as when you hear God, in the Bible, speak of his loyalty and love of the Jewish people he is not anti- gentile. Now, I am not excusing the remarks made by Rev. Wright. I simply wanted to bring a little clarity.
To me, the bigger story in this Rev. Wright controversy,, is the congregations white members. If the church was, as some call it "the black equivalent of the KKK", why would they have white members. There were white people in those clips. I don't think any black person would willingly be a member of the "KKK". I would really love to see some of them interviewed to get their perspective.

As a foreigner looking into the American election, I fail to understand why the American people would want the wife of an impeached President be their next president.

It seems to be that the American people got caught up in a time warp and couldn't get out of it.

While the rest of the world is moving forward, the American people seemed to be choosing the other direction.

Subject: note on obama church & changes, include definition of term "diaspora"
The original "About Us" page from Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ was altered last week and should be noted as being done within the 24 hrs surrounding the time of Obama's so-called historic speech that was crafted as a defense of his close relationship with pastor Wright and the Trinity UCC.

BELOW IS THE ORIGINAL "ABOUT US" PAGE FROM OBAMA'S CHURCH that was posted on their website  until the time of his defensive speech last week, at which time the church rushed to add nearly a whole page of more acceptable christian verbiage to precede the original message. I have the original web pages saved on my computer as a web archive and am able to refer, copy or otherwise share them... However, if a casual browser now went to the tucc website he/she will get a screen full of regular christian passages that don't contain anything controversial or inflammatory.  Also, a casual browser might not know that he/she must now scroll down nearly a whole page past the new passages to see the original page.  [In case you are wondering about the term "diaspora" Diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: The term diaspora (in Ancient Greek, διασπορά – "a scattering or sowing of seeds") refers to any people or ethnic population forced or induced to leave ... ]  Of additional interest is the page CFABS, which includes a link to the original mission statement and language about being an African nation and "remaining true to the mother continent"...)

BELOW IS THE ORIGINAL "ABOUT US" PAGE FROM OBAMA'S CHURCH...THIS IS THE MISSION AND VISION THAT HE AGREED TO COMMIT HIMSELF TO AS A MEMBER OF THIS CHURCH:

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

The media has not questioned Obama on these commitments  or these commitments having an inference of allegiance and patriotism to Africa first with no mention of the allegiance, patriotism, or otherwise value and worth of being American. 

Hillary has a plan for healthcare the ecomony, ending the war, student loan problems, etc.
obama started out running with a speech and of late that seems to be all he has.
no orginal plans to help the american people-just speeches- he is an empty vessel when it comes to the issues before us-but he can give a great speech or so cnn keeps telling us.
I do not watch cnn anymore-cnn is un-american. the talking heads on that station are so biased-and the stations whole agenda is clear for any thinking person to see. If you want to get any news at all-maybe, maybe you can rely on the bbc-but american media-now just a stroke above jerry springer-no substance there-I once admired david gergen-but now he is there just nodding his head to whatever cafferty,wolf, and ac say-I guess I can blame the man for trying for making his money. Where is Walter Cronkite when you need him?

I am getting so tired of all the pointing of fingers coming out of the Obama camp. That is all they can seem to do as he has no leg to stand on in the legislative arena. His voting record is not that substantive and he has chose not to vote on key issues.

Dear Elaine...I believe today you got 50 years off your chest. Calm down, take a deep breath. You're gonna be ok. Don't frighten the Obama kids. They think Armand Hammer is their soap powder.

hillary has an economic plan. obama says blue dress, mccarthy, whatever. then obama says i'm the good guy and hillary plays dirty. phony, hypocritical, and boring!

elaine writes:
"For sure, whenever a democrat wants to insinuate a "campaign against everything I believe in" posture, they always, always use the phrase, "like McCarthy"."
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Well, not QUITE. What's meant is that the individual said to be "like McCarthy" is wrapping himself in the flag, waving papers around, and accusing others of lack of "patriotism".

You're wrong about Armand Hammer, too.

The democratic way is to let all democrate' have their vote.
we cannot say Hillary should pull out of the race yet. What about the voters of Pa, WVA, NC, indiana, kentucky, Oregon, PR, Michigan and florida?
Obama is not entitled to be the nominee
let all the democrates have a say.

some people are using it against Hillary the earmark money she got for New York. was it just pork or did it do any good for the people of New York?
or has Hillary done nothing good for New york as a senator.

Hillary Campaign IS Over May it R.I.P. in the history books. She lost the popular vote, delegate vote and the majority of states.

Time to step up, and bow out with grace and humility!

The Democratic Way!

McCarthy was stalled by those Army-McCarthy hearings along with the censure investigations. He conducted his investigations from the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, whose mandate was to investigate the federal government. His targets were Soviet sympathizers and spies. For years people who should not have been in our government were, not only that, but welcomed with open arms. Liberal media one after another ran with any story, without investigating the truth (kind of like Dan Rather) and the scare was on. Yeah, we've read alot about his alcohol problem and big mouth BUT the hollywood elite kept up the constant bashing of McCarthy because he CORRECTLY identified some that truly were communist sympathizers. I would read in a heart beat, a true accounting of the McCarthy era. What I know has been picked up in bits and pieces over the years. For sure, whenever a democrat wants to insinuate a "campaign against everything I believe in" posture, they always, always use the phrase, "like McCarthy". It's disgusting. It's ridiculous that the American public believes a documentary done by PBS. Give me a break, have they done anything but the liberal slant and talking points? Don't quote out of articles written by the left wing elitist. Yeah, he found them out but his personality got in the way. Let's remember, years later we found out many of the "I'm not a communist" indeed turned out to be card carrying members. What you learned in school - was written by teachers unions which wouldn't teach children real history if their lives depended on it. I remember asking my history teacher, "why on earth is Armand Hammer so involved in our government", his answer. "Now that is a great man". No, he was an odious man. But my history teacher wanted the kids to learn HIS BELIEF system. Don't believe everything you read. Try reading some conservative historical non fiction along with those liberal books lining your bookshelf.

Obama is a phoney. Michelle is a phoney. They both hate white folks. They're only interestec in defeating the Clintons. Bill Clinton, as President, supported Congressman Rush over Obama when Obama tried to do to Mr. Rush as he did those he ran over to get his State Senate job. His other Pastor, Emil Jones was the benefactor of the $300 million that Senator Obama earmarked for him last year. This was a thank you for Jones giving Obama a job that Obama could attach his name to legislation and claim he wrote it.

He claims to have done so much. Check out what he really did at Talk Left. com and read "Obama's Third "Toxic Mentor". You'll find a link at the end to Feb 26, 2008 go there and enjoy!

Thanks for sharing and giving me a chance to speak on this.

So this would be a PRO-Hillary site?

To Neil-Because there would be no one left in Congress?...Because she addressed it with her husband a long time ago...and because it's none of your business?...or because creepy people just want to know the details?

I believe an earlier post here says it all:

The fact Barack Obama spends more time and energy on such things instead of offering substance is quite telling.

Where's the beef? Obama looks more and more like he has nothing but empty rhetoric to deliver. I am very disappointed with him. He lets his henchmen say this type of filth and then "rejects" it -- after the damage has been done. Here's the good news -- more and more people see through these pathetic efforts.

Senator Clinton delivered a fabulous economic plan again today -- why instead do you choose to cover and give air time to this other insignificant and shameless drivel.

Well,if G.Ferraro and others can make direct personal attacks on Obama and H. Clinton denouncing it, is called a good campaign strategy. Got Obama to give majestic speech.

So why cry foul when Obama camp is using the same tactic and bringing Monica Lew.. front and center into this.

Why should this country elect a president who cannot address the adulterous husband issue one way or another. Don't you think GOP is going to talk about it.....

Hey vmcgreen-Sounds like your concerned, conservative Christians have been dreaming about the blue dress. hmm...Are they also dreaming about which of the two Democrats they're going to vote for in November?

PH writes:
"And yet the Obama campaign is said to be 'pure.'"
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You'd THINK having Republican General McPeak as a CO-CHAIR -- what with the connection to Bob Dole and all -- would be worth some little flurry of wonderment in the media, some little Viagra joke, SOMEthing. But nooo.

I'm getting a bit weary with the explicitly personal attacks on Hillary and Bill Clinton--whether by Gordon Fischer, the MSNBC crowd or whoever. Clinton comments about Jesse Jackson, "loving country," were not directly anti-Obama, but had to be interpreted to be such. But the Obama responses require no interpretation, they are explicit. And yet the Obama campaign is said to be "pure."
PH Chicago

Mara,

check the Political Radar blog here at ABC for that incredible Bosnia story.

You're totally right, THAT is serious stuff. It's about the presidential candidate producing plain lies about her foreign policy experiences, and there's pattern already in these lies. It's not about aides, spokespersons, pastors, anti-Hillary movies, corrupts sponsors etc - it's about the candidate lying about what is at stake in this contest, and Hillary is the only one doing just that.

In CNN:Obama supporter references Bill Clinton and 'blue dress'

"In a radio interview on the "Michael Smerconish Show" that aired Monday in Philadelphia, Obama defended the church, saying it is "not some crackpot church," and pointing out that Bill Clinton also had ties to Wright.

Clinton invited Wright to the White House when he was going through his impeachment crisis. "

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Don't know what others think, but does Obama really think Cliton's "tie" to Wright is comparable to his? Is he playing with people's brains or what?

SO writes:
"then McPeak, an Obama supporter calls Bill Clinton a McCarthy and the same media gleefully report that without condemning it."
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Republican General McPeak -- whose last political campaign was for Dole in 1996 -- is an Obama CO-chair, a defense contractor, and older than John McCain. He flew in Viet Nam, and came up with the idea of bombing Iraq's water resources in Desert Storm.

Could the talking heads on teevee -- who were so quick to gang up on ... Geraldine Ferraro and whoever -- be CHICKEN to cross McPeak, lest they lose their, uh, plum positions in the political pecking order?

I misdated or mispoke - take your pick. It's 3/24. Pick a date - he lied, he was my President, it was wrong, and she lied, and there was no sniper fire.

Is there a reason why this blog is about a blue dress instead of the latest Clinton lie? Remember Hillary and all that sniper fire in Bosnia? All that foreign policy experience? Now, the Clinton campaign says she "mispoke."

NYT 3/25
"I spoke with William Nash, who was the commander of U.S. troops in Bosnia and was at the Tuzla airport with Hillary Clinton. He said there was no threat of sniper fire at the airport during her visit. He said that Mrs. Clinton was gracious during her visit and took pictures with the soldiers, but “she never had her head down. There was no sniper threat that I know of.”

Misspoke is probably better than lying and then lying about lying:

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true." Slate, 9/13/98

Now, who is playing dirty politics?

Obama is in for a rude awakening if he were to win the nomination.

Carville calls Richardson "Judas" and CNN, MSNBC, NPR, and FOX say how terrible, then McPeak, an Obama supporter calls Bill Clinton a McCarthy and the same media gleefully report that without condemning it.

Guys, look at yourself in the mirror.

So, let me get this right.

Are the Clinton supporters trying to say that it's not a sitting President staining a girl's blue dress in the White House, while the First Lady is two rooms away, who is scandalous, but that it is some guy who dares to remind of that scandalous act on his blog many years later who is scandalous?

What kind of people are these Clinton supporters? Think of it. And think of having such scandals in the White House again. With a return of the Clintons America would lose a last possibility to restore its heavily damaged credibility and moral reliability in the world. That damage was done by a Clinton and a Bush; we need to get rid of these families who are transforming our great republic into some decadent oligarchy.

I though Obama was a unifier on issues. He's going to unify the country around the war. McCain wants 100 years. Hillary says six months. What's Obama going to do, split the difference and make it 50 years? The audacity of hope!
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COUNT all the votes!
HILLARY stands up for all voters!
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elaine writes:
"Okay Navarro, point taken. You first. Write some more about McCarthy other than the first two lines of Wickipedia."
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Young folks who want to know about Senator McCarthy should find a copy of "Point of Order", an educational film which includes television footage of the Army-McCarthy hearings of 1954. "Point of Order" did much to disabuse 1960s-era college students of fear of "communists".

Or they could look it up, online or in a real library:
"This film is a documentary of the Army-McCarthy hearings that were televised live for 36 days from Apr. 22 to May 24, 1954, to an average daily audience of 20 million. Emile de Antonio used kinescopes of portions of the hearings to make this film. The hearings were held by the Senate committee on Government Operations investigating the Army's induction of Roy Cohn's friend G. David Schine, Army's honorable discharge of Major Irving Peress who had refused to answer Loyalty Board questionnaire, and Secretary of the Army Robert Stevens' refusal to allow officers to testify before McCarthy's committee."

The good guys won. McCarthy -- who seemed to be drinking (or something) a good deal -- was eventually censured by the Senate. Joseph Welch was the hero.

Oh: and the "friend"ship 'twixt Cohn (co-villain with McCarthy) and Schine was not a very nice one, by 50s standards.

Okay Navarro, point taken. You first. Write some more about McCarthy other than the first two lines of Wickipedia. E

elaine writes:
"Navarro:, ah, quoting an online encylopedia is not exactly research."
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It's sufficient to correct info posted here that listed the wrong political party for Joe McCarthy.

If your own amazing "research" shows some new and amazing information about McCarthy, maybe you should just post it, huh, and leave me out of it?

Another desperate comments from Obama camp. So much so for the candidate of post racial divisiveness. Obama is the divisive candidate! I'll vote for McCain if Obama wins.

Navarro:, ah, quoting an online encylopedia is not exactly research. Oh well, I tried. All this talk about the infamous blue dress. Doesn't anybody care that a grown man in the most powerful job in the country used and abused a young woman? It may be old news to some of you lefties, but to me it still is an important telling character trait! And to have a wife like Hillary. Words fail me. It has nothing to do with white, black, woman, man.....none of them are worth what they think they are. Have any of them had to live on less than $25,000 a year? Have any of them struggled with long term illness and the mountain of bills associated with it? Have any of them gone without anything? Of all of them McCain might know. Can any one of them profess their faith with the big BUT that follows? Sick of the whole mess already. It's not that I'm not full of hope, it's that so many Americans run around making ridiculous, statements - I say, let's take the internet offline as well as all the 24 hour news channels and all their pompous pundits.

Obama feels entitled? Since when?

As for his church, get over it already! The man is a Constitutional Scholar. He KNOWS the difference between Church and State.

His IMPRESSIVE legislative record shows us that. Anyone citing his 'church' as an area of concern wasn't planning to vote for him in the first place, no mystery there.

EACH political candidate has an uncomfortable tie to a religious leader or group. Read up, folks, it's all out there. The news has focused on Obama and those who get their information solely from the nightly news seem to be the most misinformed. It's a tragedy.

So Hillary camp - you think the blue dress and all it represents should go away? Did you not catch Mitt Romney's remark about the horror of Bill Clinton getting back into the white house with all sorts of free time. There are alot of conservative Christians who are very concerned about certain moral failings.

Do you think Republicans won't vote?

elaine writes:
"Navarro, et al. - you need to do some research about McCarthy."
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No, Elaine. Believe me: I DON'T.

Maybe YOU "need to" read more carefully.

Bill Clinton knows what he is doing.

He is a master of throwing stones then trying to hide his hand.

The Clintons and the Clintonites want it both ways.

You are supposed to appreciate how slick they are.

But you are not supposed to hold them to anything they say.

Then, lo and behold, they get all prissy about an unfortunate mention of a stain on a blue dress.

The allusion wasn't uplifting, and therefore was unfortunate to be associated with the Obama campaign.

But even the mention doesn't compare with Bill Clinton's serial loutishness, and Hillary's enabling behaviors starting at least with Gennifer Flowers--all so she could share power.

The victims of Lewinsky et. al. were not the Clintons.

It may or may not have been Lewinsky et. al. (We were not there.)

And the victimizers were not just a band of hypocritical GOPers like Newt Gingrich and Bob Livingston.

The real victims were the American people.

Thanks for the memories, Bill, Hillary, Newt, Bob, and the rest of you who chose the paths you did and thus succeeded in making politics, not an honorable adventure as Robert F. Kennedy used to say, but a swamp tailor made for privateers.

(For those who mock Barack Obama's politics of hope, remember it was the tough but sensitive RFK who used to challenge us not to see things as they are, and ask why, but to dream of things that never were, and say, why not?)

Obama still offers that hope and those dreams.

Let's make politics an honorable adventure once again, Democrats.

But Bill and Hillary had their chance and blew it.

Let the torch pass to others, more ennobling and more worthy.

Hey - grrrtk | Mar 24, 2008 5:06:34 PM

Barack Obama stood there preening while McPeak compared Bill Clinton to Joe McCarthy. McPeak's comments were written and he even said Obama had him on a tight leash. Don't say Obama doesn't approve some of these things. He just likes others to do it so he can then come off as the innocent. He is nothing but a slimy snake oil salesman.

Adam writes:
"The only reason you are making this strained connection to Obama is because you want to score a cheap political point against Obama."
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Well, CNN and other news orgs have this, too: "Gordon Fischer, a former chair of the Iowa Democratic Party and part of Obama's Iowa support team" -- and having a general accuse a former president of McCarthyism isn't nothing, either.

Navarro, et al. - you need to do some research about McCarthy. That's the problem with so many Americans in today's time, they don't think for themselves, don't do extensive research on anything before expressing an opinion, and actually come off more ignorant than anyone over the age of 55 can believe. #1 if you only tune into the liberal media, you're not going to have the facts. #2 democrat talking points aren't a good way to discuss a viewpoint or to debate an issue. #3 republican talking points aren't either. #4 Start thinking for yourself!
Regarding the comment on "today's new voter", you don't know what you are talking about!Your existence has you at the center. How would you recognize a "good man" or a "good woman"? Ignorance is not bliss, and if the United States Congress doesn't get term limits into place, electing a new president isn't going to do a damn thing. Our political picture in America is skewed. If the president is limited to two terms, why aren't all the other federal elected positions? When an old man who can hardly move or talk or think takes up time ranting on the Senate or House floor, what good ever can come of it. Term Limits is the only answer - then Americans will see real change instead of the same old ideas and politicians pandering to the special interest groups. Thanks for listening to a frustrated American woman who is sick and tired of Bill, Hill, Barry & McCain. Not one single one of them will be able to change a damn thing as long as you have members of Congress who've never had any other job and have made it their lifetime occupation. Their only interest is: what can I do to make sure I get re elected so I don't have to venture out into the REAL world.

Calling him a "key advisor" to the Obama campaign is absurd. He's a volunteer in a single state, just one of many leaders in Obama's enormous ground organization. I severely doubt he is on staff.

The only reason you are making this strained connection to Obama is because you want to score a cheap political point against Obama. You're trying to rustle up another one of these silly "gotcha" moments than do nothing but distract us from the issues. You should be ashamed.

I can't stand the assault on free speech. What is wrong with mentioning the blue dress....because it gives the Clintons the blues...I don't know why I like Obama either other than the fact that he makes me remember why I am not ashamed to be American. He does have a Reagan quality. Reagan also made me proud of my country's accomplishments without deny it has faults too.

Obama camp must be really desperate if they are talking about a 12 year old scandal. Way to take the political discourse to new level (in the gutter). The Wright fiasco is not going to go away.

grrtk wrote:

"I dare you to listen to the entirety of one of his [Obama's]speeches and still hold the same opinion."

I have listened to many in their entirely. They echo exactly (some word for word) the speeches of Deval Patrick. They are only words, just words. Instead, I look beyond the words. I look to the folks this man claims as friends, confidants, preachers, backers. I don't like what I see. In fact, this coterie scares me.

When someone tells me it is raining outside, I go and check for myself.

"Joseph Raymond McCarthy (November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957) served as a REPUBLICAN U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin from 1947 until his death in 1957."

"When Joe McCarthy questioned others' patriotism, McCarthy (1) actually believed, at least aparently (sic), the questions were genuine, and (2) he did so in order to build up, not tear down, his own party, the GOP."

Gordon, if you are going to throw Joe McCarthy's name about, and attach partly labels, at least get your facts right. In the schools that I attended, we were taught that Joe McCarthy was a DEMOCRAT!!!

Obama, please stop speaking the truth about Bill and Hillary, America's Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu. What's next, will you mention Bill's bribes for pardons or campaign contributions from the Red Chinese Army in exchange for missle technology?

Patti-The republicans have another movie called Obama, the movie (FACT) being held back for the general. Hope you see that one too.

Jim,
We don't need to be reminded because it has nothing to do with this campaign. Everytime I see someone bring up the "blue dress" I plan to bring up the nasty, air-hunching Reverend Wright, who Obama placed on Obama's campaign. I plan to bring this up at least 10 times for each 1 blue dress mention I hear. The two are not equivalent of course, the nasty pastor was part of the campaign but the dress is not.
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COUNT the Michigan votes!
COUNT the Florida votes!
HILLARY stands up for all voters!
BOYCOTT the DNC until all votes count!
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Let's quit the Clintons! I am suffering from Clinton fatigue. Barak Obama is a fresh face without the stain of deception and clever inuendo that Bill and Hillary are able to serve up in laughable and apparent impunity. It is all a disingenuous facade.

grrrrtK writes:
"I dare any one of you to listen to his full speech on race - not just the soundbites - and still call him racist or devisive."
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I listened to it live, and found it divisively boring. Later, reading it a couple of times, concluded the media talking heads must have found it great because it was LONG and boring.

As for "racist", what else do you call the half-baked assumption that only a half-African male raised by white people is allowed to allude to race, color, or ethnicity at ALL (and, in the process of eating up a lot of air-time, to call his own grandmother "a typical white person") -- while anybody ELSE who mentions, say, that Jesse Jackson did well in the S.C. primary, is in for it?

Everybody should see the video
" Hillary, the Movie ". The real colors of the Clintons would be very evident.

RICHARDSON CANT PINPOINT WHY HE SUPPORTS OBAMA AND NEITHER CAN ANY BODY ELSE- THE END

Hey! President Clinton's spokespersons explained at the tome that the "stain story" was a right-wing "long shot." The President himself is said to have have remarked the whole deal was nothing more than a "cheap shot!" Take notice out there, you Clinton-bashers!

Oh, and the difference between Obama and Hilary are clear. While the Obama staff may occasionally make these kind of ignorant comments, they are always denounced (the comments) immediately. And BO never, I repeat EVER, makes these kinds of comments himself. But Hilary constantly says these hateful, and patently untrue comments about Senator Obama. She is campaigning just the like the Republicans, and as a former Hilary supporter, I have been absolutely disgusted by her conduct and would rather vote for McCain than Clinton in '08. Thank God McCain isn't campaigning that way, and neither is obama. These two will have a fair race about the issues - and I have no doubt that, in the end, Obama will win. A leader like him only comes around once in a lifetime. And before any of you write about how bad he is again, once again, I dare you to listen to the entirety of one of his speeches and still hold the same opinion.

Ha! try forming your own opinions for once instead of getting your talking points from the media and not researching them yourselves. In the last week Obama has given speeches about National Security and the War in Iraq - but apparently none of you have done your homework. I dare any one of you to listen to his full speech on race - not just the soundbites - and still call him racist or devisive. Grow up - with all the information out there today, there is no excuse for this type of ignorance. Barrack is an amazing leader who is that rarest of things in politics today - a good person. He actually wants to make this country better. There will always be negative forces resistant to change. Eventually, they will fail.

How can anyone impugn the patriotism of Senator Obama. After all, anyone who has served his country in the uniform of it's military should get a pass on questions of patriotism. Since we have an all volunteer military, everyone who enlists should be considered a patriot and those who do not are like the stain on Monica's dress.

AgathaX writes:
"This too shall pass."
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Obama standing with head bowed while General McPeak (and then this guy in Iowa) spout about Joe McCarthy? I sure doubt it.

I have next to no use for Bill Clinton -- the only thing he EVER did that I liked was refuse to discuss his intern by name. But this "McCarthy" crap ought to end any more posturing about Obama being better than or different from ANYbody else in politics.

Any young folks here who don't understand about McCarthyism might want to look up Senator Joe McCarthy in wikipedia or somewhere. McCarthy was a brain-scrambled ex-Marine who -- on the strength of his military service -- beat LaFollette in Wisconsin, and went on to ruin many people by pushing his fantasies about "communism" in the Congress.

"Post-partisan" Obama should just withdraw. And take General McPeak et. al WITH him.

It's silly and quite puerile to infer that President Clinton was "quetioning Obama's patriotism"

Mr. Clinton was merely pointing out the obvious.

Everything in his maturation background and political track record makes it plainly clear that Senator Obama is an International Socialist, not an American Nationalist.

What's wrong with invoking the blue dress? It's a fact of history. Are we supposed to develop mass amnesia? The press should be exploring the long and tawdry list of scandals in which both Clintons have been involved, as they have direct relevance to how Hillary would govern. Mrs. Clinton's very candidacy depends on the forgiveness AND forgetfulness of the American public, and the press -- through its ineptitude and in some cases bias -- is allowing her to recast herself and dodge controversies of the past. Eg. when Tim Russert asked Mrs. Clinton about the fact that her brothers received hundreds of thousands of dollars to lobby Bill for pardons -- which he granted -- she denied knowing anything about it. Russert never asked a follow-up, and the press never probed this OBVIOUS lie.

I have been trying to distribute this info which I believe to be newsworthy to the media outlets but I am limited in my contact information to the media. Oh yeah, Count me in as one of the disenfranchised FLORIDA DEMOCRATS WHO WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA
Subject: note on obama church & changes, include definition of term "diaspora"

The original "About Us" page from Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ was altered last week and should be noted as being done within the 24 hrs surrounding the time of Obama's so-called historic speech that was crafted as a defense of his close relationship with pastor Wright and the Trinity UCC.

BELOW IS THE ORIGINAL "ABOUT US" PAGE FROM OBAMA'S CHURCH that was posted on their website until the time of his defensive speech last week, at which time the church rushed to add nearly a whole page of more acceptable christian verbiage to precede the original message. I have the original web pages saved on my computer as a web archive and am able to refer, copy or otherwise share them... However, if a casual browser now went to the tucc website he/she will get a screen full of regular christian passages that don't contain anything controversial or inflammatory. Also, a casual browser might not know that he/she must now scroll down nearly a whole page past the new passages to see the original page. [In case you are wondering about the term "diaspora" Diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: The term diaspora (in Ancient Greek, διασπορά – "a scattering or sowing of seeds") refers to any people or ethnic population forced or induced to leave ... ] Of additional interest is the page CFABS, which includes a link to the original mission statement and language about being an African nation and "remaining true to the mother continent"...)

BELOW IS THE ORIGINAL "ABOUT US" PAGE FROM OBAMA'S CHURCH...THIS IS THE MISSION AND VISION THAT HE AGREED TO COMMIT HIMSELF TO AS A MEMBER OF THIS CHURCH:

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

The media has not questioned Obama on these commitments or these commitments having an inference of allegiance and patriotism to Africa first with no mention of the allegiance, patriotism, or otherwise value and worth of being American.

Any reason why Americans should not be reminded of Monica and the stained blue dress?