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Obama & Taxes

March 28, 2008 10:48 AM

On CNBC's "Closing Bell" yesterday, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said he wanted to raise the capital gains tax rate.

Watch HERE

How much would he raise them?

He didn't say.

More than 15%, less than 28%.

"I haven't given a firm number," he said. "Here's my belief, that we can't go back to some of the, you know, confiscatory rates that existed in the past that distorted sound economics. And I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton, which was the 28 percent…. My guess would be it would be significantly lower than that. I think that we can have a capital gains rate that is higher than 15 percent."

Obama said "when I talk to people like Warren Buffet or others and I ask them, you know, what's -- how much of a difference is it going to be if it's 20 or 25 percent, they say, look, if it's within that range then it's not going to distort, I think, economic decision making."

When it was pointed out that 100 million Americans own stocks today, and they are hardly all Warren Buffets, Obama suggested "you could structure something in which people with certain incomes were exempted from this increase and it would stay at 15. The broader principle that I'm interested in is just making sure that we've got a tax code that is fair for all Americans."

What other taxes would Obama raise?

* The Top Marginal Tax Rate

Obama said he wants to repeal the Bush tax cuts and return to a top marginal rate of 39 percent.

CNBC's Maria Bartiromo asked Obama why he would raise taxes at all during a period of economic trouble.

"Well, look, there's no doubt that anything I do is going to be premised on what the economic situation is when I take office," he said. "I'm not going to making these decisions based on ideology. I'm not a dogmatist. I know that some, you know, my opponents to the right would like to paint me as this wooly-eyed, you know, liberal or wild-eyed -- "

"You're not a liberal?" Bartiromo asked.

Obama didn't answer. "My attitude is that I believe in the market, I believe in entrepreneurship, I believe in opportunity, I believe in capitalism and I want to do what works," he said. "But what I want to make sure of is it works for all America and not just a small sliver of America."

* Social Security Taxes.  “If we kept the payroll tax rate exactly the same but applied it to all earnings and not just the first $97,500, we could virtually eliminate the entire Social Security shortfall," Obama wrote in the Quad City Times last September. (Obama has also discussed the possibility of a donut hole, so that the increase would only hit those "making over $200,000 to $250,000" who "can afford to pay a little more in payroll tax.")

* A "Dirty Energy" Tax. “What we ought to tax is dirty energy, like coal and, to a lesser extent, natural gas," he told the San Antonio Express-News last month.

He also has discussed taxes on dividends, carried interests, closing corporate loopholes, and returning to the original inheritance tax rate.

And he endorsed New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg’s proposal to charge drivers a fee to commute through the busiest parts of Manhattan. 

What taxes would he cut?

* He said he wants to cut taxes for those making $75,000 a year or less, through an offset on the payroll tax worth as much as $1,000 for a family.

* "Senior citizens who are bringing in less than $50,000 a year in income, I don't want them to have to pay income tax on their Social Security," he told CNBC

* He wants an additional 10 percent mortgage interest credit, for those who currently don't itemize.

* He has proposed a "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.

Sen. Clinton also some has tax proposals which I'll look at in a later post.

- jpt

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I find it funny that Obama and Clinton both voted for the "economic stimulus" payments, saying keeping money with consumers, and in the economy is the best way to deal with the current problems. Then both go on the stump to increase taxes and take money out of the economy.

Posted by: Crazy Politico | Mar 31, 2008 7:25:50 AM

Give me a break! Ask Obama for all the money transaction between him and his church. People got excited about him 'cause he is the new kid on the block. As time goes by ... they will regret that they have voted for him. Time can tell.

Tax! Tax! You cannot be like him who charge money for people to come to hear him "talk".

Posted by: Agnes | Mar 30, 2008 1:12:33 AM

Okay, proof that Obama has an inside deal going on. I had a Poll company whose name I won't advertise, ask me several questions regarding capital gains about 1 week ago, suddenly Obama is making statements on it. Weird.....

Posted by: irma | Mar 29, 2008 5:59:48 PM

just noticed the item re seniors making less than 50,000. i've seen bloggers saying he wants people in this category to not pay income tax. read it again, folks, he just wants you not to pay tax on your social security.

already, only part of social security is taxed for people making more than 25,000 in other income. and none of it is taxed for people with less than 25,000 in other income. so he's really just talking about a fairly modest reduction, not a total elimination.

i'm sure he knows that people will think there's more there than there is. and i'm sure that's what he wants.

Posted by: so saddened | Mar 28, 2008 11:09:01 PM

How about an "equal" or "fair" tax. I see no candidates discussing this. If you make a little, you contribute a little. If you make a lot, you contribute a lot. This is the only fair system I can envision. It's called a "flat tax". The accountants will go nuts!! 15% on all earnings. Period. That way, we all contribute to our country. No discrimination.

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | Mar 28, 2008 10:12:32 PM

Obama has told too many lies and the idiots back him??? Why don't they listen to the voters?

I still don't understand why Kennedy, Kerry, and Richardson get to choose Obama even though Clinton won their states, yet everyone is screaming that the superdelegates should follow the state voters.

Don't these hypocrites realize it's just another Obama tactic to steal the election. The superdelegates know that Clinton won the big blue states yet they are being intimidated to vote for Obama. I have not renewed my DNC membership and will switch to Independent by November.

The Democrat "leadership" of Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy and Kerry make me sick!

Posted by: proudamerican2008 | Mar 28, 2008 8:34:05 PM

Hey Teri,
I've sent back all the e-mails and solicitations from Dean and Co back and said they won't get one red cent from me until they include FL and MI in a fair representative way. Do the same and maybe we can make a difference.

Posted by: An opinion | Mar 28, 2008 4:48:33 PM

tiredofthelackofknowledgeofvoters, ending the war in Iraq will not bring in one penny. We aren't paying for this war as we go; it's all going on a credit card to our children and grandchildren. This was my first clue that Obama was clueless; he said he would pay for expanded programs by "ending the war in Iraq which would give us $12 billion a month to spend". Wrong. Very wrong.

Posted by: HoosierSue | Mar 28, 2008 3:41:18 PM

There is no way the US can continue with out some sort of Tax increase, period.

Posted by: Thinking | Mar 28, 2008 3:16:11 PM

toby, what else can we expect to hear from marginal at best-losers one and all
kerry, bradley, kennedy, dashle, dean, richardson and co.
I believe they are all fine men and have been good public servants to the best of their ability. a blind spot is Hillary Clinton-they will do anything to keep the smart girl in the room from doing well. They cannot beat her on the smarts about how to solve the problems of the country. But they can slander her.
hillary-putting the country back on the right track

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 28, 2008 2:54:40 PM

Hey Spock
According to obama supporter sen. kerry he says obama will save us from the terrorists because he is black.

Posted by: toby | Mar 28, 2008 2:40:12 PM

He supports Bloombergs tax on the working people, because that is what the congestion fee is, the increase in tolls who do they think this all affects the worse the poor.

I love how libs make tolls or fees so they do not have to say they rose taxes!! but anyone with a brain knows it is the same.

oh and the raise in minimum wage is the problem with todays economy, and now they get less money because they came into the taxable line!

Posted by: spock | Mar 28, 2008 2:12:37 PM

Lets vote for Obama, so the terrorists can attack us!! Maybe we will be lucky and not many will get killed!

Our grandchildren will be broke unless they are part of the liberal elite! they will not have cars, or jobs, That is what Obama promises!!

The only choice is McCain for the future of our families!!

Posted by: spock | Mar 28, 2008 2:08:38 PM

Lol, Susan, I gust got another email from Dean not 5 min. ago asking for money.

Posted by: Teri B. | Mar 28, 2008 2:07:33 PM

Obama has been running on change, and bringing something new-but the more he talks the more he seems like the old.
He does not know what he is talking about with these taxes. he is the mouth of bill bradley, dean, axelrod, kerry,kennedy-but obama has no clue.
and now he is saying if wright had stayed he would have left the church. will the new pastor moss the third is no better. talks the same as wright except with a little hiphop flair.
I am sorry they put him up to this.
he said he was not ready to be president he should have stuck with that. His judgement is all off-and I see a pattern here with him-he belongs to anybody. He will say whatever he has to say except something original from him on the issues. say anything to get the nomination.
I have been a lifelong democrat-but I think I will need to study real hard on voting for him in november-
the only reason I will vote for him is I fear mccain and the 50-100yr war. and I have grandchildren coming soon.
Obama/mccain 08-not the smartest choices for president.
Dean and co. hate Hillary so much they will do anything to get her out.
I think dean should not be chairman of the dnc-and if hillary loses we really should start an independent party.

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 28, 2008 2:01:52 PM

Obama is a lying Liberal worse then any Senator there is. That is FACT.

If he raises the Capital Gains even just for the wealthies (which libs think is anyone working) they will pull there money out of the stock market and invest foriegn. That is fact, that is what happened under Clinton, Since the Capital Gains has been lowered our stock market has jump to record highs and still is. higher then anytime under Clinton.

Obama cant even spend his own money but he wants to raise our taxes. See you can word it anyway you want to get rid of Pres. Bush's tax cuts that helped everyone that paid taxes, and also highered the bar so people making twenty thousand do not pay. Under Obama those making 20000 will have to start payin. So He wants to raise taxes, Now if the raise only went to those who vote for him fine.

Anyone defending Obama and his Pastor on the comments is Worse then a Racist!! Because they are defending it!!

Posted by: NoToLibs | Mar 28, 2008 1:43:36 PM

First it was "I was not aware of these statements" and now it is "I would have left the church if he did not retire". Talk about saying anything in order to get elected!

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he knows the first excuse doesn't fly.

Posted by: Victor | Mar 28, 2008 1:39:57 PM

"And w/ capital gains tax... As long as the middle class is exempt, why would anyone complain? After all, we saw what Bush's tax cuts did to the economy. They trickled down all right."

Is that $75K the cut-off for middle class? I would love to keep my 15% rate, but if that is the number, then I don't qualify. Seriously, I am curious as to what that cut-off is. $75K is NOT middle class for many parts of America.

Posted by: LOM | Mar 28, 2008 1:25:36 PM

Some of Mr. Obama's ideas are feasible, but there are some problems. For example, the money for such programs, must come from three primary sources. Taxation, government borrowing or printing more dollars. As for the cost of the war, soldiers must be paid, even when they are in stateside garrison. Withdrawal from Iraq will result in no great monetary savings. To be sure, there will be fewer US casualties, but there will be many more Iraqi casualties. Mr. Ron Paul understood the economics involved, but his position on the war itself was over the top. He would be a great economic advisor to Mr. McCain. Mr. Bush's economic advisors did not do a very good job. Mr. Greenspan is an example. Hopefully Mr. McCain will do better.

Posted by: texasdemocrat | Mar 28, 2008 1:21:32 PM

There will be no halting of the war in Iraq by any candidate.

Regardless of what political rhetoric is put forth, the present course dictates that tax dollars will continue to flow into the region to protect the interests of big oil.

If you don't like that idea, then consider the price of gas at about 8 or 10 dollars a gallon. That is what would happen if big oil interests were compromised and Iran controlled Iraq.

As for billions being saved by not being in Iraq, we have trillions of dollars of national debt from that war. The interest alone will eat up any savings from an Iraq withdrawal.

A real solution would be to require oil company profits to be no more than pre-9/11 levels and apply any excesses to the national debt.

Or, all oil companies could be completely regulated or nationalized and future profits applied towards the national debt.

Whatever the solution, telling voters you plan to raise taxes is paramount to defeat in any presidential election.

So much for Obama.

Posted by: Jayhawk | Mar 28, 2008 12:50:25 PM

Jake - why don't you make it clear to your readers... The ONLY people Obama wants to raise to tax for (federal income tax) is those in the top 1% (making over $320,000). Those making under $75,000 would get a tax cut. Those in between would not be affected. You definitely are trying to slide a fast one.

And w/ capital gains tax... As long as the middle class is exempt, why would anyone complain? After all, we saw what Bush's tax cuts did to the economy. They trickled down all right.

Posted by: David | Mar 28, 2008 12:45:35 PM

I'm sure that there's quite a few people out there making $75K per year who are going to be surprised to learn that they're rich. In higher COL areas, like NYC, LA, and Chicago, that's basically means you're probably just a little ahead of the game.. You'd think that Obama as a Chicagoan would know this, especially considering that his wife is constantly whining about how tough it is living on only $200K/ year.

Posted by: Illinidiva | Mar 28, 2008 12:42:41 PM

Obamites:

Get a grip!

The post is about taxes!

As I recall, Dukakis and Kerry both spoke of raising taxes until they were defeated soundly by the Republicans.

Amazing that Barack Obama would embark on the same trail.

Posted by: Jayhawk | Mar 28, 2008 12:40:40 PM

For a man who voted present a hundred times how could you believe any words he says, especially when he said "I was not in church when those harsh words were spoken". He would not answer the question when asked if he was liberal, so again how could you believe this man.

Posted by: vinnie | Mar 28, 2008 12:38:39 PM

jay halting the Iraq war will bring in billions

Posted by: tiredofthelackofknowledgeofvoters | Mar 28, 2008 12:35:38 PM

How could anyone doubt Obama's integrity. We all know Obama was preparing to quit the Rev Wirght's church. He was just waiting for the right time-it was just about there in the 21st year.

Posted by: mr bigger | Mar 28, 2008 12:30:11 PM

Jay,

Under big bad "Conservative" G.W. Bush the US monetary system, otherwise known as the "dollar", has been collapsing. Maybe you could care to explain how instituting plans to stimulate the majority of Americans, the same ones getting hit worst by the economic crisis, and clamping down on foreign debt is going to somehow further inflate the dollar.

Posted by: TheSteve | Mar 28, 2008 12:30:04 PM

Jake, your wording implies that Obama will raise the capital gains taxes by 15 to 28%. If you could clarify some, that the current rate is 15% and that he won't be issuing up to a 28% hike, it would seem a bit less scary.

Posted by: TheSteve | Mar 28, 2008 12:22:50 PM

"That would be a bummer if he raised the capital gains tax. It was one of very few things that I agreed with under this Bush administration"

Bill Clinton lowered the capital gains tax.

Posted by: geevill | Mar 28, 2008 11:48:02 AM

This is not about Ms. Rice, its about raising taxes on people who have earned more money than less motivated workers in our capitalist system. Why shouldn't everybody have the same amount of money. Just because someone doesn't earn it doesn't mean that that poor people should go without free programs. I want new cars too and society owes it to me. The Socialism of Obama will make everyone equal.

Posted by: Sluggo | Mar 28, 2008 11:38:16 AM

Sell your stocks soon.

Posted by: antenian | Mar 28, 2008 11:36:56 AM

"America doesn't have an easy time dealing with race," Miss Rice said, adding that members of her family have "endured terrible humiliations."

"What I would like understood as a black American is that black Americans loved and had faith in this country even when this country didn't love and have faith in them — and that's our legacy," she said.

Posted by: Brittany | Mar 28, 2008 11:27:32 AM

If this is truth, american are in big trouble!


Glenn Beck: The $53 trillion asteroid:

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Let's say a giant asteroid was headed toward Earth right now and experts say it has a good chance of ending civilization as we know it. Let's also say that we've known about this asteroid for years but even as it gets closer and closer our leaders do nothing.

"Don't worry," they tell us, "The next administration will figure something out."

With the future of our country at stake, would Americans really sit back and tolerate that kind of inaction? Of course not -- we'd be sharpening our pitchforks and demanding answers.

Well there may not be a space asteroid heading toward us, but there is an economic one -- and the threat to our future is just as severe.

You might think that I'm talking about the recession (sorry: potential recession) or credit crisis, but I'm thinking bigger. Much, much bigger.

Let me give you three numbers that will put this economic asteroid into perspective: $200 billion, $14.1 trillion, and $53 trillion.


$200 billion is the approximate total amount of write-downs announced so far as a result of the current credit crisis.


$14.1 trillion is the size of the entire U.S. economy


And $53 trillion is (drum roll please) the approximate size of this country's bill for the Social Security and Medicare promises we've made.

While no one will ever mistake me for Alan Greenspan, it seems to me that the third number is quite a bit larger than the other two. It also seems very few people care.

According to the latest Social Security and Medicare Trustees report (and I use that term loosely since it has the word "trust" in it) released earlier this week, the economic asteroid will first make impact in the year 2019 when the Medicaid trust fund becomes insolvent.

Only an immediate 122 percent increase in Medicare taxes and a 26 percent increase in Social Security taxes can prevent (or more likely, delay) its impact.

Realizing that Americans have become pretty much numb to these kinds of ridiculous sounding proposals, U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson tried to up the ante this week. "Without change," he said, "Rising costs will drive government spending to unprecedented levels, consume nearly all projected federal revenues, and threaten America's future prosperity."

Now, I know we're all worried about important sounding things that none of us understand, like CDO's, SIV's, and Credit Default Swaps, but did you hear what our Treasury Secretary just said?

"Rising costs will ... consume nearly all projected federal revenues ..."

Translation: Every single tax dollar that is sent to Washington will be used to pay for just these two programs.

That means no money is left for anything else. Nothing. No Department of Defense or Homeland Security, no Department of Energy, no Department of Justice, no Environmental Protection Agency, no Internal Revenue Service. Actually, knowing our government, they'd probably keep the IRS going somehow.

Of course, none of this is exactly breaking news. Our leaders have known about this rapidly approaching asteroid for years now and they've done nothing but debate it. At the same time, I'm a realist. I understand that this stuff is "the third rail of politics," but our leaders' negligence on this issue is damn near criminal. No, correction, it is criminal.

Americans aren't afraid of the truth. In fact, we crave the truth only slightly more than we crave a leader who will actually give it to us. But part of the problem with this issue is that numbers followed by 12 zeroes aren't very relatable to the average American. Instead, try this on for size.

A million seconds is 12 days. A billion seconds is 32 years. A trillion seconds is 32,000 years. And 53 trillion seconds? 1.7 million years.

In an article that will appear in an upcoming issue of my magazine, Fusion, former Comptroller General of the United States David Walker tries a different tactic. He writes that our unfunded promises translate into "an IOU of around $455,000 per American household."

Wow. Does the size of our debt hit home now?

The America that I know doesn't sit around waiting for someone to rescue it from disaster. Besides, who do we expect to swoop in and save the day? Congress? The president? Please -- they're not only the ones who put the asteroid into space, they've also been making it bigger with irresponsible spending on everything from prescription drugs to billions in rebate checks and bailouts.

Bruce Willis and Tommy Lee Jones? They're more likely to be on Social Security than to save it.

And that leaves only us: We the People. Like every other crisis we face, it's up to us to save ourselves.

But how?

Be honest, no matter what side of the political aisle you're on, it's obvious that our financial deficit is dwarfed only by the deficit of trust we have in our leaders.

I'm willing to do the right thing for our future, I'm willing to sacrifice, but not when I believe that our leaders will do nothing but make the asteroid even larger.

Posted by: jordon | Mar 28, 2008 11:25:24 AM

Race has become an issue in this year's presidential campaign, which prompted a much-discussed speech last week by Sen. Barack Obama, one of the two remaining contenders for the Democratic nomination.

Miss Rice declined to comment on the campaign, saying only that it was "important" that Mr. Obama "gave it for a whole host of reasons."

But she spoke forcefully on the subject, citing personal and family experience to illustrate "a paradox and contradiction in this country," which "we still haven't resolved."

On the one hand, she said, race in the U.S. "continues to have effects" on public discussions and "the deepest thoughts that people hold." On the other, "enormous progress" has been made, which allowed her to become the nation's chief diplomat.

Posted by: Brittany | Mar 28, 2008 11:22:38 AM

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said yesterday that the United States still has trouble dealing with race because of a national "birth defect" that denied black Americans the opportunities given to whites at the country's very founding.

"Black Americans were a founding population," she said. "Africans and Europeans came here and founded this country together — Europeans by choice and Africans in chains. That's not a very pretty reality of our founding."

As a result, Miss Rice told editors and reporters at The Washington Times, "descendants of slaves did not get much of a head start, and I think you continue to see some of the effects of that."

"That particular birth defect makes it hard for us to confront it, hard for us to talk about it, and hard for us to realize that it has continuing relevance for who we are today," she said.

Posted by: Brittany | Mar 28, 2008 11:20:38 AM

From what I have read of this interview
it is just what I have always thought about obama-he does not have a clue.
and I loved the way he tried to deflect.
We are going to be in big trouble if he gets into office. He does not know what to do. We need someone who can speak of solutions to the problems firmness and conviction. He does not know what to do.
He is the Black Geo. Bush (w)

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 28, 2008 11:18:20 AM

It beehoves me why Andrea Mitchell dug up old tapes or writings on Rev. Wright 10 days after the fact, when she did not do the First Reporting on Hillary's Bosnia Fabrication, although she was on the trip with her, and only reported on this after it became public knowledge that there was no sniper fire and after Hillary had told this tall tale, 3 times. So why is Andrea so compelled to keep bringing up Rev. Wright, when we are electing a President, not a Reverened! Is she a Hillary surrogate instead of an unbiased reporter? Makes you wonder. Hillary states she would not meet with her enimies, yet she met with Richard Mellon Scaife, her arch enemy who accused her and Bill of murders and conducted a witch hunt against her during their White House Years. Did Andrea report on that? And, then there is speculation that Hillary might have exagerrated her story about Chelsea's jog near the Twin Towers on 9-11. Has anyone took a look at the video done by Date Line to see what Hillary really said, not the transcript put out by Media Matters but the actual video? Where is the reporting on that? Then there is exaggeration about Nafta, Ireland and there are more to come, the unraveling of Hillary. In her desire to make Barack look unelectable, it looks like, instead, the Chickens are Coming Home to Roost!

Posted by: bacalove | Mar 28, 2008 11:18:06 AM

The Democrats are doing a wonderful thing by raising taxes on the common man. It is a fact that a bigger government can provide more free programs to us that haven't been able to work in several years because of a disabilty. Those that can earn it should give it to us that can't. Politicians should decide who is worthy of getting taxpayer money.

Posted by: Sluggo | Mar 28, 2008 11:11:38 AM

That would be a bummer if he raised the capital gains tax. It was one of very few things that I agreed with under this Bush administration and as a member of the middle class, it was definitely nice to keep more of my own money. It must be nice to be Warren Buffet.

Posted by: LOM | Mar 28, 2008 11:09:23 AM

One thing is for sure: Obama denounces and rejects the high tax percentages of the Clinton administration. And Bill hates him for taking that critical stand.

Posted by: Herta | Mar 28, 2008 11:04:05 AM

now the elitists want to punish those of us that drive in new york and he wants to stifle investment during a severe downturn,and you obama supporters think thi is great?

Posted by: don tufts | Mar 28, 2008 11:03:42 AM

Clinton, 60, has provided ammunition to opponents. She has insisted that she supported weapons inspections, not war, in Iraq in 2002, although she gave speeches that year advocating action against Saddam Hussein before voting to authorize the use of force.

Clinton did another turnabout on Jan. 25, 10 days after she won the primary in Michigan, where she was the only major candidate on the ballot. She said both Michigan's and Florida's delegates should count -- even though she had previously agreed they wouldn't because the states had violated party rules.

While she has asserted on the campaign trail that she opposed the North American Free Trade Agreement from the start, Robert Reich, who was secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton, said she never expressed to him concern about the labor and environmental issues that she highlights today.

``It was clear her concern about Nafta was about timing,'' Reich said in an interview, adding that she was afraid it might interfere with her universal health-care initiative.

Posted by: Brittany | Mar 28, 2008 11:03:09 AM

First it was "I was not aware of these statements" and now it is "I would have left the church if he did not retire". Talk about saying anything in order to get elected!

Posted by: Eric | Mar 28, 2008 11:00:27 AM

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