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Obama Website Claims He Won Nevada and Texas
March 07, 2008 2:29 PM
Weird.
Click HERE
Go to "State of the Race."
Look at the map graphic -- the Obama campaign has claimed victories in Nevada and Texas.
There's the highlighted glow…the stamped hope/Obama "O" like a cattle brand…..
Obama officially lost both states, and lost the popular vote in both states, though he won one more delegate than Clinton in Nevada.
In Texas, Clinton won 1,459,814 votes, or 50.89% while Obama won 1,358,785 or 47.36%. She won 65 delegates in the primary to his 61.
We're still unsure of the final delegate outcome in the Lone Star State because of the subsequent caucus, from which the Texas Democrats have yet to announce a final tally.
It is more than possible if not likely that Obama will win more delegates there because of the caucus, but we will not know for quite some time.
"We got more delegates in both Texas and Nevada," Obama spox Bill Burton, referring to the Obama campaign's projection of delegates in Texas.
- jpt
UPDATE: I added the word "delegate" in the third to last paragraph above, for clarity.
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ABC must be pro Hillary. I saw This Week with George this morning, he of course worked for Bill. George called it wins for Hillary including Texas (of course). What do these morons not understand about it's a count of DELEGATES. Other things might be of interest, especially the spin doctors looking to present their candidate in the best light, but major news selling the public on Hillary's great comeback is crap. At best she put a pause on Obama's meteoric rise. He has followed that pause up with his norm a 60/40 win in Wyoming. He will do 65/35 in Mississippi. Then Hillary will get back to where she was with a gain in Pennsylvania. SO WHAT! She will still be 130 behind. She wants the white Super Delegates to take it away from the first Black guy. She must think the Democtratic Party has a Death wish. They WILL NOT do it. O wins!
Posted by: John | Mar 10, 2008 2:17:00 AM
The argument that Hillary "won" in Texas rings as hollow as Al Gore's "win" in Florida... especially since in this case, all the votes were counted.
The election has its rules, and what matters is not votes, but delegates.
Posted by: Mark Kraft | Mar 10, 2008 1:15:17 AM
Hi,
With most of the main-stream media still talking about Hillary's "Big win" in Texas (when the caucus results will probably put Barack in the lead), perhaps it is time for the campaign to use a sports metaphor.
In Texas the primary counted for 2/3 of the total and the caucus for 1/3. Quite similar to football, where a touchdown is 6 points and a field goal is 3. If team A scores 1 more touchdown than team B, but team B scores 3 more field goals than team A, Team B wins!
The only way that team A can claim a win is to convince the refs. to change the rules and to only count the touchdowns.
The Clinton team seems to have succeeded in convincing the refs. (the MSM) to change the rules and to only count part of the score. We cannot allow them to do this.
Perhaps a sports metaphor such as the one above will point out to the public just how wrong this is! (Texas beat Nebraska by one field goal in 2007. I doubt that any true Texan would say that the win didn't count!!).
Sincerely,
Ken Schei
Posted by: Kenneth Schei | Mar 9, 2008 6:00:27 PM
I mean really ... do we want someone so good as sucking up humiliation running the country?
HRC is weak. The GOP knows it.
Posted by: yadayada | Mar 9, 2008 5:25:44 PM
If Obama is claiming he won Nevada and Texas because of number of delegates... then he has to concede that Missouri was tie because both candidates received equal delegates.
Ironically, earlier on the Obama campaign was running on that he was winning the popular vote.
Additionally, Obama is now resisting even the RE-VOTE in Florida and Michigan because that will add significantly to Hillary's popular vote counts.
I think Hillary can use the continued efforts by the Obama campaign to disenfranchise those two states to help her win even bigger than the first primary contests. The polls have her way ahead in Florida and tied with Obama in Michigan.
And if Obama is the Democratic candidate, you can believe that the McCain campaign will also use that against Obama to get a foothold in these two swing states.
That is the difference... Clinton looks at the big picture of the general campaign while Obama is mired down in only winning the primary and not strategizing for the general... ergo Clinton's argument which will probably be successful.
Posted by: Nickberry | Mar 9, 2008 4:00:32 PM
OK, here is the scenario-Clinton and Obama both knew and agreed to the rules.Show of hands-how many think we should change the rules in the middle of the game ? Thought so-on with the game. Ms Clinton needs to go bake some cookies and iron some shirts, she is done here. Oh, and Obama does NOT want her on his bus-in front or in back-she is too divisive.
Posted by: clintonisDONE | Mar 9, 2008 2:50:06 PM
Texas:
Obama 89
Clinton 84
Posted by: candyland | Mar 9, 2008 2:31:53 PM
The only thing weird is the media facination with popular vote which has absolutely nothing to do with selecting the nominee.
Posted by: Texacrat | Mar 9, 2008 1:55:08 PM
Obama's claim is completely legitimate. Delegates are ultimately what matters, and although some may feel unfair that caucuses give more delegates per capita, there's a reason they set up caucuses in the beginning. People get to discuss the candidates' substances in caucuses and it is a far more substantive measure than just a primary vote. If you view the full results page, Texas is actually highlighted as a tie and it is shown below that Clinton won the primary while Obama won the caucus. Nothing wrong here, it's a much more accurate result
Posted by: Herunar | Mar 9, 2008 3:54:59 AM
US elections are won with super or pledged delegates; or electoral college NOT about popular votes. 2000, Al Gore won popular vote, Bush won electoral colege vote and the election....
Popular votes are merely used to work out delegate or electoral college votes as the case may be, then discarded.
So, you don’t have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out. Forget the media spin...work the delegates maths out yourself......
The winner is.....Barack or Hillary
Posted by: JBE | Mar 9, 2008 3:14:03 AM
Weird.
I just went to Hillary's site. I clicked on Michigan on her map. It says "We won Michigan!"
If she can claim she won Michigan and Florida - two states that both campaigns agreed would not have their votes counted or their delegates seated - then I think Obama can claim he won two states in which he received MORE delegates that actually DO COUNT towards his nomination.
Posted by: Steve F | Mar 9, 2008 12:36:44 AM
The race is for delegates right? You silly person.
Do you think Al Gore has been president for the past 8 years? He won the popular vote too.
By the way New Hampshire was a tie and Obama won super Tuesday.
Please write a big headline and an apology when you realize what you thought was weird is actually true.
Posted by: Graham Poor | Mar 8, 2008 10:16:42 PM
The race is for delegates right? You silly person.
Do you think Al Gore has been president for the past 8 years? He won the popular vote too.
By the way New Hampshire was a tie and Obama won super Tuesday.
Please write a big headline and an apology when you realize what you thought was weird is actually true.
Posted by: Graham Poor | Mar 8, 2008 10:02:55 PM
Actually, if you include both the caucus vote and the primary vote together, Mr. Obama not only wins the delegate maths, but also the popular vote in Texas. What by tens of thousands of vote cast. If you have a problem with counting the caucus vote in the popular total, then you have a problem with the sate democratic party, not the Obama camp.
Posted by: King T | Mar 8, 2008 7:13:23 PM
Right well hate to throw water on all the Obama fans but there is no way Obama can get to 2024 delegetes required to secure the nomination,even if he wins all the states left.But I'm pretty sure I can figure out the propaganda and the currant blogs shows were its heading.Unfortunatly Clinton has gotten more of the states needed to win the presidancy.Shes also ahead in popular vote.Obama has yet to win a state that only allows the democrates to vote so Pa.will be interesting,whats he going to do with out the republican cross overs or independants.
Posted by: girlinvt | Mar 8, 2008 5:52:20 PM
If the delegates are all that matter here I'm sure Obama wouldn't be demanding that all the superdelegates go with the "will of the people" i think that he needs to wait until the results of the caucus are finalized to claim he won Texas.
Posted by: J Allen | Mar 8, 2008 5:03:55 PM
There's nothing fuzzy about this math. When Clinton was ahead they said over and over that delegates is all that matters. Obama won more delegates in Texas. Bottom line is that he won.
On the tax return issue, it does us no good to see Clinton's records AFTER the election. What is she hiding? Clinton says she should be elected because she is fully vetted. Then she says she won't release her tax records or records as First Lady. Again, what is she hiding? If there's nothing to hide, why not release them today?
Lastly, anyone that says Obama isn't providing specific SOLUTIONS for our problems is just repeating empty Clinton campaign rhetoric without thinking. Go to Obama's web site or read his book. There are just as many specific plans there as Clinton has provided. Use your brain and quit just accepting everything that Hillary says.
Posted by: KD | Mar 8, 2008 5:01:01 PM
The Republican Hispanic vote.
Posted by: J Allen | Mar 8, 2008 4:55:09 PM
If Texas goes Democratic in November and this is certainly underreported it will be due to to traditionally Republican vote in our state going Democratic first for Hillary and then in November....Obama should stand down on this one.
Posted by: J Allen | Mar 8, 2008 4:53:31 PM
I'm from Texas...and while this may be a tactical decision by Obama it is not wise to undermine the votes that were cast in these two states. Smacks of unnecessary desperation.
The delegate system of the Domocratic party needs to go.
Posted by: J Allen | Mar 8, 2008 4:50:02 PM
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