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Obama's General Election Problem

March 06, 2008 12:58 PM

Very smart column by Mari Cocco in which she contemplates Sen. Barack Obama's limited appeal in battleground states -- Ohio, for one -- that the Democratic presidential candidate will need to win in order to win the White House.

"There is a reason some states are called general election 'battlegrounds,'" she writes. "It is because partisan identification is roughly even, or because certain groups in the electorate, such as Catholics, Hispanics or blue-collar whites, switch their allegiances—or split their votes. That’s why Clinton made so much in her victory speech about the 'bellwether' nature of Ohio…

"There is no papering over the depth of the problem Obama faced there. He won only five of the state’s 88 counties, an inauspicious foundation for a general election campaign. Clinton trounced him among Catholic voters, 63 percent to 36 percent, according to exit polls. She beat him among voters in every income category and bested him by 14 points among those making less than $50,000 annually.

"This is why Pennsylvania, which is demographically similar to Ohio—and a must-win state for Democrats in November—is considered such fertile ground for Clinton on April 22.

"The Democratic Party is indeed developing a general election problem, and it’s only partly because Obama and Clinton will be sniping at one another for the next seven weeks. Obama, the leading candidate, still hasn’t shown he has appeal in a large battleground state that will be pivotal in the fall. In this sense, Pennsylvania is where Obama’s back, and not Clinton’s, is up against the wall."

- jpt

UPDATE: Obama campaign spox Bill Burton emails to say: "This would have made more sense had we not won Missouri and had not won landslide victories in Virginia, Wisconsin and Colorado.  Forty states have voted, of which we've won a vast majority, and this one is supposed to be the singular bellwether? Balderdash."

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Polls, polls. They are only polls and they have been probing to be wrong. They predicted Hillary loosing NH and then NV and then CA and then TX.. And she got them all. Lots of people trying to demonize Hillary and minimize her hard work. That's just plain unfair. I've read some other people saying she will do anything to gain the presidency, well, isn't it what this is about?. And they also call her a b**ch for that?...If a man do everything he can to win, he is an accomplished man who know what he wants, but if a woman does it, she is a b*...C'mon America, this is 2008. And she is going to win, like it or not she will be the next president and we will continue to grow stronger and proud to still be American.

Posted by: Manny | Mar 9, 2008 1:30:14 PM

I’m looking for transformation….we need integrity, service-before-self, and excellence-in-all-we-do in a leader so this nation can once again lead the world and we need it to start in the White House.

Yes we do. And that is why I am for Hillary.
STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AIDE and look at history.

Posted by: melisande delissade | Mar 7, 2008 4:04:38 PM

It is truly amazing to see all of your comments. It's also disturbing to see so many "toxic" statements. To imagine we have our sons and daughters; mothers and fathers; sisters and brothers; aunts and uncles; grandmothers and grandfathers; cousins and neighbors dieing everyday to bring such "freedoms" to other nations, as well as defend your continued right to your constitutional right to free speech. I'm deeply saddened that I spent 22 years and countless years away from my family in distant countries to defend "you" and "yours" when I read these comments. Is this really how we say “thank you” to Senator Clinton and Senator Obama (and even Senator McCain even though I don't agree with his politics) for even attempting to serve this country and to serve you? It is not easy to do what they are doing and yes, both are fighting for your trust and votes. Your response was either answered in the past (by your vote in the primaries) or will be answered shortly. Support your candidate with the same dignity, professionalism, and integrity you are demanding from them. I too support Obama because I understand his call for people to stand up for this country's future to move beyond the past and to look forward to the future with hope, optimism, and vision. Some of you may want and desire "experience" because you believe it is the answer; however, I don't. I've seen it in action from Congress (filled with men and women with years of experience), Department of State and Embassies(filled with men and women with years of experience), DOD (filled with men and women with years of experience), Enron (filled with men and women with years of experience), Country Wide Mortgage, Federal Reserve, Wall Street, FDA, (all filled with men and women with experience)....need I say more...I’m looking for transformation….we need integrity, service-before-self, and excellence-in-all-we-do in a leader so this nation can once again lead the world and we need it to start in the White House.

Posted by: SledgeHammer | Mar 7, 2008 3:13:01 PM

Yeah, National polls show that Hillary is preferred over Obama too.

Also, those same polls show Hillary beating McCain in the fall.

Posted by: Sam1 | Mar 7, 2008 1:49:12 PM

National polls still show Obama fairing better than Hillary against McCain. In my home state of Minnesota, latest polls show Obama ahead of McCain by 15 points, but Hillary losing to McCain by 5 points. If she's losing in blue states to McCain, how is she going to carry swing states?

Posted by: FJ | Mar 7, 2008 12:25:22 PM

"we saw the numbers in reference to the Republicans this is just a primary to decide who is strong enough to run against the Republican candidate. For instance If I were a "Republican and I wanted my candidate to win I would vote for the less likely, I would have the people in my party come out in strong numbers to help vote the weaker in. So, when November came I would than cross back over to my party and vote my elected official into office. Make sense?"

Yes that makes perfect sense and that is exactly what I am trying to get across. Look at the number of Republicans voting in the Dem race. They are going in large part to Obama. That is who they think they have the best chance of beating. This is so frustrating, why is no one noticing how many are voting Dem vs. Repub in prodominatly Red States? Do you all really believe that they are switching parties. Wake up Democrates before it is too late!

To those that say that the Republicans are voting for Hillary, where are you getting your information? All the stats that I have seen say just that they are going for Obama 9 to 1. What does that say to you? Also who won all the Red States? Ok you are just repeating what Rush Limbaugh the drug addict put out. Are you really that
gullible?

Posted by: TxMom | Mar 7, 2008 12:04:00 PM

Democrats always act as if they're the Fair Party, but history doesn't bear that out. This party was the one that was pro-slavery and pro-discrimination. It seems like they're going back to their roots, judging by the racist comments posted here. They've always used black folks to win elections, but now that one is close to winning the nomination, old racists are back i full force.Blacks and all the Obama voters should seat home in November if Clinton and the democratic party steal the nomination from Obama.As a matter of fact, they should become independent voters and screw both parties.

Posted by: joseph pierre | Mar 7, 2008 11:18:06 AM

To the guy up top who disparages the Obama-Reagan comparison: The Soviet Union took themselves down by getting bogged down in a meaningless war in Afghanistan (against the people we financed, who we now are stuck fighting) for 20 years! Don't you forget it. Reagan was the lucky guy who happened to be president at the time.

Posted by: Peter Nevins | Mar 7, 2008 11:08:36 AM

Vic,
How many excuses do you Clintonites have for your 27 of 41. If not too many blacks, it's too many caucuses. If it's not "states we can't win", it's small states.
You guys are just delusional!
Excuses will not even the 27 to 14 score.You're such sore losers!
We're going to beat you fair and square and we don't blame the states we lost on Hillary's idiots.

Posted by: joseph pierre | Mar 7, 2008 11:02:14 AM

I am so happy people are finally coming out and stating things so clearly - that they are racist and will never vote for a black!! You have all been hiding under all sorts of reasons against Barack. When he keeps the lead and there is no new thing you can say, you finally admit that the real reason is because he is black and you are racist!!!
Thank you! And that is so true - I know very much that racism will never die. Most whites will always be racist!!! Always! I wish Obama the best. One part of me does not want him to win because it is going to be a miracle they(the racist psychos) dont kill him if he wins.
Out of the remaining 3 candidates, Obama's the best. But racism will not allow America to admit facts. Pathetic! So SAD!

Posted by: Esther | Mar 7, 2008 10:48:17 AM

I continue to learn from your responses just how prejudiced this country still continues to be... I have had a glimpse of the "promise land" when I have seen whites, and particularly younger white people committed to Obama's candidacy who rightfully see Obama as a viable option for president - This mirage can give an African American woman hope about her country. But, after this week ( the blue collar whites and the majority of white women)reality is starting to sink in that you Hillary folks may be right about those Dems voting for McCain if Hillary doesn't "swipe" the nomination! They are not going to vote for a BLACK MAN. You can cry all you want about her "so-called" experience, etc. but we know the undertone of your commentary is the fact that Archie Bunker; you know as you euphemistically call them the "lunch-bucket" Democrats are fearful of such a "risk" in these perilous times. Although for example, I have been chastended by the undertone of racism of the White feminist ( Gloria Steinham and Tina Fey)I won't give up on my country and OBAMA!!!

Posted by: agbi | Mar 7, 2008 10:39:30 AM

MomentofZen,

You don't seem to understand zen very well to be calling yourself that. One must mature through experience and in Zen every mind should be a beginners mind. But no one said to elect an unexperienced Chicago style hack like Obama.

I cannot believe you would compare Obama to Reagan. Regan was a two term Governor of my state. He took on a lot of chaos in California during those years and had to clamp down at times using the national guard. Obama is more like Jesse Jackson or Mayor Daly of Chicago.

Anyways, don't insult the great former Governor Ronald Reagan by comparing him to Obama. Reagan took on the 1960's anarchists in California and brought down the soviet union. My friend, obama is a joke. Tell him to go back to Chicago and do something before applying for the toughest job in the country.

Posted by: Bill Nelson | Mar 7, 2008 2:59:05 AM

Thank you, America. Reading these comments has reinforced my thoughts that basically Americans are dumb. Only in America can people pick a draft-dodger over a war hero...call an extremely educated man unqualified, yet vote in a C college student that has managed several failed businesses not once, but twice...and then the topper, say that because someone slept with the President for 8 years she has more experience in national security and running the country. What??? I also seem to remember that Reagan was heavy on communication and light on experience, but everyone seems to hold him in great esteem. Yet somehow now after watching a buffoon represent this country to the world for 8 years, being eloquent is now a bad thing. McCain will win. America is filled with mostly dumb, racist people. Obama can't win because he's black, and Clinton can't win because a lot of people hate the Clintons for no good reason.

Posted by: MomentofZen | Mar 7, 2008 1:56:28 AM

actually, obamaites, clinton supporters going to mccain instead of obama isn't just speculation. rasmussen polls show that 20% of clinton supporters would vote mccain over obama, compared to 10% of obama supporters. plus florida is absolutely furious at obama - hillary could win florida but obama has no chance whatsoever to win florida. and ability to win the big states does have meaning. obama's winning caucuses in red states doesn't; it just gives him delegates in the nomination battle. and if you're buying the line that he can make those states competitive, i would love to sell you the brooklyn bridge.

Posted by: so saddened | Mar 7, 2008 1:51:32 AM

Obama has a huge disadvantage. It is not a tired observation that even a vague hint of scandal involving a black guy, increases at a faster rate our fertility to question, doubt, mistrust , suspect that unfortunate black guy.

I am not talking about racism per se. Obama himself believes race won't cost him the nomination, and evidently he's right: he's won in several white areas. Everything being equal one would expect equal support from his two biological inheritances -white and black.

I hypothesize that the level of a white politician's integrity requires only a proportion (less than one) of the integrity-evidence I black politician needs to present to attain similar level of integrity. If this is not rejected, then there are serious implications about what Hilary says about free pass for Obama in the media. Granted she is right, an equal negative scrutiny isn't equal in the presence of different propensities to associate negativity with the candidates. Evidence last week?

Posted by: Ryan | Mar 7, 2008 12:54:54 AM

I don't care what Bill Burton says, if Obama wins the nomination, McCain will win the general - period.

Every delegate loaded state has been won by Hillary and for good reason. Texas, Ohio, California, NY, Florida etc. Obama wins Missouri and Illinois and Maine. Congrats dude, but news flash: many of the voters that voted for Clinton in those states will be voting for McCain in the general if BO wins. Why? Because his rhetoric is getting stale and it's all he has. Seriously, wWe're at war, our economy is in shambles. We don't have time for a rookie like Obama to ummm and hope and think about what to do. And if you think I'm wrong - just wait for the commercials the repubs will put out re: experience. And watch McCain win.

So if you want a Dem president in the white house - vote for Hillary. She can beat McCain. With her eyes closed. Obama cannot. Not even with all the helpful people who are holding his hand and writing his speeches.

Posted by: Brooke | Mar 7, 2008 12:00:22 AM

yes he won more states but most of those the republicans are going to win in the general election, he can't win the big states

Posted by: Chris | Mar 6, 2008 11:46:43 PM

Dan, wake UP! WAKE UP! These are not the 90s, see what Samantha Power did? Is she one of those experienced people Obama is surrounding himself with? Did he not say he wants to change things and do away with old Washington? If he is truly pushing change, then he should not have any of the traditional and experienced people so yes, he would have people like Samantha Power making idiotic statements at international negotiations. I hope that all of you wake up and realize you're in a trance before it is too late. I said this too about Bush. Now look at where we are today. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK.

Posted by: Salida | Mar 6, 2008 11:42:10 PM

To quote Hillary, "let's get real." The only way the Democrats can possibly win the general election is by having Obama as the nominee. If Hillary ends up being the nominee through some divine or clintonite intervention, you will see defections of democratic voters on a scale you ain't seen anything like yet. Republicans are voting for Hillary in the open primaries not out of affection for her, or for prolonging the Democratic primary process, but for the simple purpose of installing Hillary as the Democratic counterpart of McCain. I will come back to this forum come November for a bit of postmortem.

Posted by: saif | Mar 6, 2008 10:59:56 PM

Colorado is a caucus state, and Obama's Va win was due to the huge black vote. Wisconsin is no bellweather in anyone's mind. Good try Obama spokesman. What's balderdash is Obama winning in November.

Posted by: Vic | Mar 6, 2008 10:55:33 PM

Oprah and the Washington Media establishment has made a political Himpty-Dumpty out of Barak Obama.

Posted by: chandp | Mar 6, 2008 10:36:58 PM

I don't see much written about whether Obama can hold onto the Latino vote in a general election against McCain, considering McCain's previous stances on immigration.

Posted by: Greg | Mar 6, 2008 10:01:38 PM


The will of the people is not at all - all for Barack - by any means.

And it's not over yet, either.

And there are a lot of people who voted for Barack who are now second guessing themselves and having 'buyer's remorse.'

Posted by: Lauren | Mar 6, 2008 9:47:33 PM

The Clintons will not be able to erase the will of the people, unless the Democratic Party leadership decide to sell the people out.

He won establishing a command lead in pledged delegates. It is ironic that some in the National media call the number close. Close is when one party is able to reverse the lead. There is no plausible way that the Clinton machine can overcome the Obama lead.

The outcome is clear: Obama. Unless, of course, the Democratic Party wants to sabotage the process and end up in the same situation as 1968 and 1972.

Posted by: nmben | Mar 6, 2008 9:15:43 PM

I will not be voting a black president. In general election this will be about race. If you think I am races how about the blacks many of them vote for him just because he is black. I am white and will do the same also.

Posted by: james smith | Mar 6, 2008 8:56:04 PM

The key is that in order to win against the Republicans, Barack has to prove himself in national politics, and he hasn't done that yet.

Things can look good now, but they will change as the Republicans attack, and people won't trust Barack because he hasn't been proven.

It's all about the swing voters, and they aren't going to want to take chances this election.

Posted by: Lauren | Mar 6, 2008 8:29:34 PM


Obama is mostly all hype.

Bush raised a lot of money and was well liked too. People believed everything he said too.

People are buying into Barack's ads and image, but was we get closer to the election, the more people will want the candidate who has been proven.

The person who is most qualified to help our country and our economy.

No that's just a myth that people are putting out there about Republicans helping Hillary win - typical excuses now - Hillary had the lead in percentage points in Ohio all along.

People who think Barack will be more electable after the Republicans get through with him are very naive.

Posted by: Lauren | Mar 6, 2008 8:21:30 PM


Hillary is our most qualified choice now, but I think and hope Barack has a promising future.

I do not think he is a "dirty" politician. He has made mistakes that he's not really owning up to or willing to even talk about, or take questions on.

He has been full of self-serving double standards, has used a lot of double speak, and been quite hypocritical.

But he is in politics afterall, and I think he is a good person, and one day with even more qualifications and proof of his abilities in national politics, I think and hope he could eventually make a good president. But I truly don't think he is ready.

Posted by: Lauren | Mar 6, 2008 8:09:48 PM

Anyone thinking Hillary is more electable than Obama is a deluded fool

Firstly, Obama out raised Hillary, leads her in pledged delegates, draws HUGER crowds, has tons more Independent and Republican support than Hillary, erased her 20 digit leads to virtually neck and neck... need I go on?

Obama is more generally liked over Hillary, which is why he was able to last 12 straight victories against Hillary. The only people who voted for Hillary were the Rush Limbaugh Republicans who want her as the nominee so that they can brutally crush her and win in November, because they know that Obama is a much more difficult opponent to beat, seeing as Obama turned the Hillary campaign into the Titanic.

Posted by: Matt | Mar 6, 2008 7:58:04 PM

Obama has proven himself to be a divisive and disliked character by democrats and his wife is hated by everyone. He needs to drop out and see the writing on the wall. His NAFTA-gate, Rezko, racist psstor Wright, anti-American wife should be a tell tale sign of a general election fiasco for Democrats if they elect him.

Every Democrat that I know will cross party lines to vote for McCain. With Obama as a candidate McCain reclaims California as a red state and Republicans land slide to a win.

As the truth about Obama comes out his poll numbers keep sliding. Republicans will destroy him by showing how he is just another dirty Chicago style politician.

Posted by: Walt | Mar 6, 2008 7:47:28 PM

Mike,

You totally don't know what you are talking about.

She still won Ohio by at least 10 percentage points.

He is being marketed - basically "sold" to the public by a commercial margin of 3 or 4 to one.

People in Ohio don't mess around.

That's why Hillary won.

Because there people know the truth, and what's really important.

They know Hillary is most qualified.

She did not go super-nuclear at all. She only raised very legitimate, real questions.

She doesn't use Karl Rove's tactics at all, if you think she does, you are very naive.

She has done nothing compared to what the Republicans will do.

Posted by: Lauren | Mar 6, 2008 7:40:55 PM

I will say it again and again....
The concept of ANYONE supporting McCain because their Dem candidate failed to get the nomination is kooky on sooo many levels. Come on people wake up, the difference in policy between Obama and Hillary is minimal yet i see the most vile viscious attacks by both Clinton and Obama supporters against one another. Start thinking about unity. Envision your candidate NOT winning, then envision continuing to support the ideals and platforms you held dear in your defeated candidate, and realize they are almost mirrored identically within the candidate who won. ANYONE who says they will switch their vote to McCain... riding around with a bus stuffed with lobbyists aboard his flip-flop talk express bus is insanity of the highest order. UNITY people. Vote for policies. If you are a Dem and are thinking of voting for McCain if your candidate doesnt get the Dem Nom then ask yourself this: If you are a Dem how do you feel about more nation building? Stringing out the War? Over-turning Roe V Wade? Privitization of Social Security or any government program for that matter? How do you feel about the potential for a war with Iran? How do you like the idea of greater corperate intrest? How do you feel about John's entire bus being filled with Lobbyists? What about some more illegal wire tapping in the name of security? See to me I think its INSANE to vote for McCain just because your Nom didnt win. I vote for policies and i vote even when my candidate doesnt make the final ballot.

Posted by: Penny K | Mar 6, 2008 7:38:01 PM

You all need to remember that Hilary had a 20% lead in both Ohio and Texas. Obama erased it. The more people hear and see of him the more they vote for him.

Hilary knows how to be divisive, her fear tactics are proven Republican playbook moves. Karl Rove should be proud. She pulled off winning two states where she led by 20% only by going super-nuclear on Obama.

She is going to damage him as much as she can and the Dems chances for the Whitehouse. All because this is about her and her blind ambition.

I would vote for McCain over her and I am a life long Dem. I would do that because she is the biggest part of our problem. Part of Corporate-owned Washington. At least McCain I can respect. I have no respect left for Clinton after what she is doing in this primary.

Posted by: Mike | Mar 6, 2008 7:27:06 PM

First off the Superdelegates need to actually look at who core democrates are voting for before they pledge. And that seems to be Clinton. They should not base anything on any of the primariies that had independant and republicans coming out for Obama for these votes will change in the fall. I personally think that the DNC and delgates are doing a disservice to it's core democratic constituients if they let Obama be the nonimee for he has not held the majority of actual democratic votes. Clinton beats him in this department. DNC should also rethink caucuses for now looking at the Texas results we know that they truly don't represent the actual popular vote. Michigan and Fla should be sat and who gives a darn about which state votes first.

Posted by: Louis | Mar 6, 2008 7:22:14 PM

Hillary is admired and respected in Washington by both the Republicans & Democrats. Hillary is "THE ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES AND GET THE JOB DONE" candidate.

Posted by: onenibble | Mar 6, 2008 7:22:12 PM

Obama with his message of hope would be a good tele - evangelist but it takes a fighter like Hillary to get anything done in Washington. Hillary will roll up her sleeves and get the job done.

Posted by: onenibble | Mar 6, 2008 7:11:29 PM

I almost want her to win, just so all of you who support her will realize she cares nothing about you, me, the democratic party or process - only about winning. Her butt goes into the oval office and you all will get what you deserve. Loss of another congress to the GOP. Nothing accomplished for another 4 years because she is so despised by 1/2 of the politicians in Washington. Yes, let's rip this country apart folks just so Hillary can be the first woman pres...wonder if she'll wag her finger at Putin and say, "shame on you Vladimir?"

Posted by: NvMe | Mar 6, 2008 6:58:46 PM

Whoever gets the MOST ELECTED DELEGATES....WINS!

Simple, huh?

Supers CAN'T step in and say "SOME states MIGHT be too racist/sexist so WE are going to choose"

Vote as the People did and follow the rules.

Posted by: sue | Mar 6, 2008 6:57:24 PM

I am a racist and would never vote for Obama.Its Hillary and if not her then it will be mccain.

Posted by: benj | Mar 6, 2008 6:44:35 PM

Clinton said she has experience, she supported NAFTA, Bad judgment. Secondly she supported the war in Iraq, Bad Judgement, Thirdly she refused to release her tax returns, maybe she ws hiding something, Bad judgement.

The one big issue that has defined United States foreign policy in recent years is the war in Iraq. Obama showed good judgemnt. Here Americans, it is judgemnt that matters.

How can you say that a man who does not have good swimming skills, but has swam for a long time is better than the one who has good swimming skills but has not swam for a long time.

Years of bad judgement is not good experience and fews years of good judgement is brings a lifetime of good experience for the people.

Don't miss this chance Americans, vote Obama ...!!!

Posted by: Iykeman | Mar 6, 2008 6:37:12 PM

Lauren, it's true people are often threatened by people who are smarter than them, then again people are often threatened by people whom are less intelligent than them.... really you have no point. There is no getting around the fact that Hillary is a divisive character in our political world. She is ipso facto Bush Jr. just as heavily despised by the right as he is by the left. Another polarizing figure as our president... do you really believe that will yeild any better results than his 8 disasterous years. It couldn't possibly. I'm sure you would've had negative things to say about JFK or Martin Luther King Jr. and every other influential leader in our history. (those people weren't perfect either you know) Like it or not, Obama is an inspirational and truly great american figure. He is just like MLK and kennedy morphed into one. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean he doesn't represent that to millions of Americans. What you should be more concerned about is that he has amassed 1 million more votes than her, that he has united republicans, independants and democrats. Hillary hasn't done that... Hillary can't do that.

How does Hillary expect to get the government to work together when she talks about vast right wing conspiracies. We don't need conspiracy theories right now, we need positive change... we need hope... we need Barack Obama.

Posted by: formlessness | Mar 6, 2008 6:31:14 PM


Reganfan:

The Clintons clearly threaten you.

People are often threatened by truly intelligent, competent people.

But it's in your best interest to like them, because there is no one more dedicated or hard working for this country than the Clintons.

So stop demonizing them. They help this country more than anyone else.

They did not bring race or biogtry into this race. The press did.

Everyone who truly knows them, knows they are not, and never have been racists.

They are true progressives.

We need their dedication and expertise.

Posted by: Lauren | Mar 6, 2008 6:11:14 PM

SHE DIDNT WIN OHIO ON HER MERITS, SHE WON BECAUSE ALOT OF THE REPUBLICANS AND OTHERS SAID THEY JUST VOTED FOR HER TO STOP OBAMA SO HE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO BEAT JOHN MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER!! THEY FEEL JOHN MCCAIN CAN BEAT HILLARY BUT HE CANT BEAT OBAMA SO THE JOKES ON HER!!!

Posted by: lynnle | Mar 6, 2008 6:07:46 PM


I truly believe Hillary is without question, the most competent candidate.

As a devoted democrat, I would vote for Barack, and would never vote for McCain,
because he's too much of a hawk for anyone's own good.

I have heard many Obama supporters say they would vote for McCain or not vote.

There was also a poll that said more Obama supporters have doubts about him than Hillary supporters have about her.

So if his supporters have doubts about him now, how realistic do you think it is that he could really carry swing voters after the 527 ads get done truly scaring people about him?

I think the Hillary supporters who say they would vote for McCain are just really mad at the media right now for not representing Hillary or her vast variety of supporters, fairly or accurately.

People say things in the heat of the moment, that change later.

But that can also be said of some of Barack's appeal. There are those who like what he says, but the more they think about it, the more they question his real qualifications.

The swing voters are the ones who decide elections, they are usually practical realists. Many will be scared of Obama making lots of mistakes. They will think that at least they know where McCain stands. They will trust McCain, and many will not trust Obama.

Hillary has won over skeptics in New York. When people get to know the real Hillary, they like her.

Posted by: Lauren | Mar 6, 2008 6:01:09 PM

Dan: Don't bring John McCain and the
republicans into this!
It is the Clintons and their supporters who have brought racial and ethnic
Bigotry into the fight for the
Democrat Party Nomination for president!
John McCain has attacked Obama on the issues as has Obama when attacking McCain!
The Clintons are the villains here and nobody else!

Posted by: reaganfan | Mar 6, 2008 5:56:14 PM

How INSANE do you have to be to dislike Obama sooo much that you would rather vote for McCain which is basically a third term for Bush??? Really Folks come on. And this notion that Obama is not qualified to be president is nonsense. Even Hillary has stated he is qualified. I do not and will never understand this hatred within the Democratic party going on right now. I DONT UNDERSTAND you people who have to have it your way or NO way at all. It's gotta be Hillary or its gotta be Obama or i am voting for a Repub? Are you kidding me? Really? Am i on candid camera? I have to believe either you are secretly Repubs posing as Dems on here or you are just too blinded by hate in this battle for the nomination. WE...i said WE have an election to win. ANY Dem who votes for McCain because of this supposed experience misses the point. Even if he has experience, its HIS POLICIES to worry about. God forbid his experience translates into conservative judges to overturn Roe Vs. Wade, or privatizing everything that he possibly can. Stirring up another four years of fear mongering. Possibly attacking Iran. More special interests running things, more lobbyist and corperate control of our democracy. Come on folks either admit you are really a republican or vote for policies. This cy-baby nonsense about not having it your way is more than foolhearty. you are throwing the baby out with the bath water. Hillary OR Obama would make fine presidents PERIOD.

Posted by: Penny K | Mar 6, 2008 5:43:17 PM

Amen to the post by:

Penny K | Mar 6, 2008 2:48:29 PM

Well stated! Dems unite!!!

Posted by: GMarie | Mar 6, 2008 5:31:49 PM

Some independents and swing voters may like what some of what Barack says now...

National polls showed that people thought Hillary would do the best job as Commander in Chief.

The more people think about it, the more they will want the person who they know is most qualified, would work the hardest, and do the most efficient and effective job governing our country.

We are seeing as the tide turns, and we get closer to the actual election and what is really at stake, how what is most important to people is security.

Security for the country. Security for the economy.

Security of known candidates who have proven themselves with national experience vs. an unknown candidate with very little national experience.

A lot of those who voted for Hillary in Ohio would never vote for Barack.

They would vote for McCain.

These people are practical, pragmatic realists who don't want to mess around.

Nobody wants to take chances at such an important time.

Even in Texas where he outspent her 3 or 4 to 1, people know what's at stake.

They don't want an inexperienced candidate.

Barack will do as much if not more to rally the Republican base. You really think they're going to want an 'inexperienced anti-war liberal' like Barack to be their president?

No - they know that Hillary is truly more of a contender against McCain than Barack.

By the time their 527 ads get done with Barack - it won't be pretty at all.

He has no idea what's potentially coming. The Clintons have only raised legitimate questions about his experience and dealings - asking people to think.

The Republicans will be ruthless and unkind and will actually scare the chitlins out of people and it will work with the swing voters, because of all his inexperience and because he is so untested and unknown.

No matter what he says.

People will want proof. And there's not enough.

Hillary is a better opponent against McCain because ultimately people will want what is best for security and the economy.

Hillary will be smarter on security.

And smarter about the economy.

She would outshine McCain in the debates.

People would realize she's truly the one most qualified to help our country.

And that voting for her to work for them, is in their own best interest.

Posted by: Lauren | Mar 6, 2008 5:29:39 PM

Why wont I vote for Obama if hes the Dem. nominee well thats easy I dont think hes a good choice,I question his experiance.His ability to help America thru the economic hard ships ahead.So yes I will vote for McCain in November.

Posted by: girlinvt | Mar 6, 2008 5:29:15 PM

What an education this has been, watching this Dem nomination process move forward. Honestly, I never would have believed that there are so many racists and bigots in this country. What are people afraid of. Senator Obama has obviously accomplished so much to be in the position he is in. So his experience in terms of years doesn't add up to McCains or Hillary's.
Like Reagan, he will surround himself with statesman and highly qualified people and do wonderfully. He'll make this country proud when he walks off Air Force One. Get over the experience thing and let's move forward with someone who has the judgement and learning curve to unite this country.

Posted by: Dan | Mar 6, 2008 5:19:16 PM


??? Excuse me! I am an Obama supporter and, as I mentioned in a previous post, I am a white middle-aged woman. I will add that I am intelligent, politically savvy and care deeply about our country and the world my children will inherit from me. I have done my homework and feel that Obama is the best person for the job and I come to that conclusion without regard to color or gender.

Posted by: GMarie | Mar 6, 2008 5:18:18 PM

Obama campaign boasts $55 million received in February...yet ALL that money still didn't help him win crucial states like Ohio & Texas that he needed. Such a shame.

Next month they can boast $100 million for March, losing Penn. and all it will show is that the Obama camp only knows how to waste a ton of money!

Just think how much he would have squandered as President! Keep going Hillary!

Posted by: C | Mar 6, 2008 5:04:10 PM

Someone explain this to me please:

WHY would someone vote for McCain if their preferred candidate does not get the party's nod?

I am a SOLID Obama supporter because 1) he did not support the war back when it was not popular to express any dissent, back when Paul Wellstone was catching my eye and giving me "hope" and 2) although I am white, female and 53, I am inspired by his message AND his proposals for our future. I have pledged a monthly amount to his campaign. I am making calls for him and I am talking him up to my friends and family members (one of whom will be voting for Nader – but that’s another comment. =/) I wll be DEEPLY disappointed if Obama does not win the Democratic nomination.

That said, if the choice is between McCain and Hillary, I will cast my vote for the person who has pledged to get us out of the war and who promises to reform the healthcare system, elevate our country's standing in the world insofar as climate change is concerned and tackle our flailing economy!


Posted by: GMarie | Mar 6, 2008 5:02:57 PM

If Barack Obama were white, he would have been laughed off the stage 2 years ago. He is a first term Senator with virtually no experience, and while he is an excellent orator, that's about all he is in terms of leading the nation. He is a political darling because of his race. We can all thank mainstream media for his unceasing prominence, and we can thank the (obvious) stupidity and naivite of America voters for his ascent.

Posted by: pat | Mar 6, 2008 4:46:42 PM

Perspective please. Obama had losses in Ohio where 59% of the voters were female. In Texas 35% were Hispanic. In the November election does anyone suggest that those voters will be inclined to go overwhelmingly for McCain?

On the other hand over 50% of all voters are not inclined to vote Clinton. Her negatives will never change.

Posted by: DaCoach | Mar 6, 2008 4:23:02 PM

"we saw the numbers in reference to the Republicans this is just a primary to decide who is strong enough to run against the Republican candidate. For instance If I were a "Republican and I wanted my candidate to win I would vote for the less likely, I would have the people in my party come out in strong numbers to help vote the weaker in. So, when November came I would than cross back over to my party and vote my elected official into office. Make sense?"

Yes that makes perfect sense and that is exactly what I am trying to get across. Look at the number of Republicans voting in the Dem race. They are going in large part to Obama. That is who they think they have the best chance of beating. This is so frustrating, why is no one noticing how many are voting Dem vs. Repub in prodominatly Red States? Do you all really believe that they are switching parties. Wake up Democrates before it is too late!

Posted by: TxMom | Mar 6, 2008 4:14:34 PM

Simply put Clinton will not win against John Mcain.

Posted by: Independent | Mar 6, 2008 4:10:50 PM

Lol. No one has won the white house if they lost Ohio primary for like 48 years.

Burton looks to Missouri??? He won by 1% in a small bell weather state. All the big states? He LOST BY DOUBLE DIGITS.

Virginia has no chance. It hasnt voted democrat in 50 years either.

Fun Fact for Obama lovers:

Obama will surely win 90% of the african american vote in the general election right? His big 'ace in the hole' ?

Yeah. In 2004 , 88% of african americans NATIONWIDE voted for John Kerry . 11% for Bush.

How many african american states did Kerry win ? ZERO .

Obama is a LAME DUCK in a general election. Say goodbye to california. His BIGGEST mistake is he could not con Latios. They hate him

Posted by: tomdavie | Mar 6, 2008 4:10:21 PM

I think most Democrats are beginning to see that not only is Hillary Clinton the best qualified candidate with the most experience but she also has the best chance for beating John McCain in November. OH wasn't a fluke. You are going to see her success repeated in PA, but by even bigger numbers. (Closed primary and no Republican candidate left) Ed Rendell, the governor of PA has endorsed Hillary Clinton and will lead a tremendous campaign effort for her. The mayor of Philadelphia, Michael Nutter, has also endorsed Hillary Clinton. PA is the sixth most populated state and is the second oldest (according to age of cititens), right behind Florida. Of course, neither candidate can win with pledged delegates at this point. But it will show how she can win another big important state for the Democrats come November. P.S. I have no doubt that Florida's votes will be counted.

Posted by: Tracee | Mar 6, 2008 4:07:34 PM

The fact that the Democrats in a state (like Ohio) prefer Hillary to Obama doesn't really tell us much about the eventual Democratic candidate's chances of carrying the state in the general election against McCain. We don't know whether these people who voted for Hillary would support Obama (if he were nominated) in the general election, or whether they'd stay home, or whether they'd vote for McCain.

I also don't like this suggestion that who voters in Ohio or Pennsylvania choose is more important than who voters anywhere else choose. In my opinion, whoever receives the most votes in the primaries throughout the country should be the party's candidate, end of story. That's the only fair outcome. In the meantime let's all try to stay united as a party and put a Democrat in the White House.

Posted by: Meeg | Mar 6, 2008 4:00:49 PM

Still can anyone answer this, why is she (Hillary) having to fight this hard?If she is the one "ready on day one" why isn't everyone convinced?
Just a simple question.

Posted by: norah | Mar 6, 2008 4:00:44 PM

I don't think he has a problem I think the bigots across America do.

Posted by: RuthieM | Mar 6, 2008 3:57:06 PM

Obama supporters hang in there, yes we can and yes we will; the republicans won't be able to steal the election in Wyoming and PA like they did in Texas and Ohio where they voted for Hillary so she could continue to pay for the ads to attack Obama. the republicans know that he will win the nomination so they are allowing her to help them soil his image. All is not lost though; Obama has received the support of 6 more super delegates today from the followina Georgia (2), Nevada, Ohio, Vermont, West Virginia...and we raised 55 million in Feb. Please Hillary give up before we divide the party more and give the republicans more leveraage

Posted by: rle | Mar 6, 2008 3:56:41 PM

Let the American PEOPLE see your TAX RETURNS Clinton ! What are you afraid of ?

Posted by: PulSamsara | Mar 6, 2008 3:45:40 PM

cp You're drinking to much kool aid its affecting you mind.

Posted by: roncraw | Mar 6, 2008 3:43:24 PM

How will the Clintons' new corruption trial, scheduled to start in October in CA affect the election?

I already have Clinton fatigue thinking about it. It might make for juicy TV, but we'll have to cover the eyes and ears of our little ones.

Posted by: CP | Mar 6, 2008 3:35:03 PM

Obamas problem is that 14 of the states he won are solid red states,no amount of hope can change that.

Posted by: roncraw | Mar 6, 2008 3:32:48 PM

mgck59,

Oh yeah??? Just telling it like it has to be told that's all!

Posted by: Past | Mar 6, 2008 3:32:17 PM

Don't count on all of the Clinton supporters jumping on the Obama bandwagon if he get's the nomination. I did not drink the Obama Kool-Aide and I can see right through him. Clinton is a much more qualified canidate in her own right plus she would have all of Bill's experience at her disposal. With the condition this country has been left after the past 8 years, we cannot afford to take a chance on an inexperienced empty suit.

Posted by: Jeff in Florida | Mar 6, 2008 3:32:11 PM

Dogsoldier - I wouldn't worry about FL and MI too much. I think it's a bunch of hand-wringing for effect. Politics and reality TV have a lot in common (manufactured drama). As I've heard it there are really only two scenarios that will play out. 1) they re-vote (or caucus) plain and simple and get sat at the convention 2) they get sat in a 50-50 split so they do not affect the outcome, but are at least enfranchised. FL will still be a battleground, it's just the dynamics of the populace. Who will win in Nov.? The one with the most votes, plain and simple.

Posted by: Kevin | Mar 6, 2008 3:28:49 PM

TxMom we saw the numbers in reference to the Republicans this is just a primary to decide who is strong enough to run against the Republican candidate. For instance If I were a Republican and I wanted my candidate to win I would vote for the less likely, I would have the people in my party come out in strong numbers to help vote the weaker in. So, when November came I would than cross back over to my party and vote my elected official into office. Make sense?

Posted by: mgck59 | Mar 6, 2008 3:26:26 PM

"Past", I think I love you.