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Richard Mellon Scaife (Heart)s Hillary

March 30, 2008 11:33 AM

Richard Mellon Scaife, a major funder of the 90s-era Vast Right Wing Conspiracy -- specifically, The American Spectator and its "Arkansas Project" -- today reconsiders his former nemesis in an op-ed in his newspaper, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

In a Sunday op-ed titled "Hillary, reassessed", Scaife writes, "More than most modern political figures, Sen. Clinton has been criticized regularly, often harshly, by the Trib. We disagreed with many of her policies and her actions in the past. We still disagree with some of her proposals. The very morning that she came to the Trib, our editorial page raised questions about her campaign and criticized her on several other scores. Reading that, a lesser politician -- one less self-assured, less informed on domestic and foreign issues, less confident of her positions -- might well have canceled the interview right then and there."

(One could note that the Tribune-Review afforded Clinton an opportunity to publicly assail Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., on the Rev. Wright issue. Watch HERE.)

Continues Scaife: "Sen. Clinton came to the Trib, anyway, and, for 90 minutes, answered questions. Her meeting and her remarks during it changed my mind about her. Walking into our conference room, not knowing what to expect (or even, perhaps, expecting the worst), took courage and confidence. Not many politicians have political or personal courage today, so it was refreshing to see her exhibit both. Sen. Clinton also exhibited an impressive command of many of today's most pressing domestic and international issues. Her answers were thoughtful, well-stated, and often dead-on."

Scaife's disagreements with the Clintons were hardly policy-based. He funded major investigations of the former president's personal life, and attempted to give credibility to the wildest theories about the Clintons' nefariousness.

In 1998, Scaife in an interview with GEORGE Magazine seemed to imply that the death of Vince Foster was more than a suicide. "Once you solve that one mystery, you'll know everything that's going on or went on –- I think there's been a massive coverup about what Bill Clinton's administration has been doing, and what he was doing when he was governor of Arkansas."

"Listen, [Clinton] can order people done away with at his will. He's got the entire federal government behind him...God, there must be 60 people [associated with Bill Clinton] -– who have died mysteriously."

So, what's going on?

Mark Hosenball of Newsweek reported last November that last July, Scaife had lunch with former President Clinton.  Why?  A source close to Scaife told Newsweek that Scaife thinks Clinton's post-presidential work has been "very laudable," and that he is doing "very important work representing the country when the U.S. is widely resented in the world." Hosenball also pointed out that the Clintons have reached out to Rupert Murdoch and Matt Drudge.

Tim Noah of Slate points out that Scaife has been going through an ugly divorce after his ex-wife discovered that he was having an affair -- and his ex-wife is an Obama-backer!

What do you think is going on here?

- jpt

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Genna it is irrelevant what you are talking about. There is absolutely, positively nothing Obama has done to prove himself worthy. Nothing ! Oh Other than talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and more talking, and he can do that quite well. If that's all you need for him to prove himself worthy than I guess his is the man for the job. If you go onto the Congressional pages and see his voting record since he's been in the Senate that's even a joke. It isn't anymore spectacular than the other candidates...in fact compared to some it is quite poor. When ask why he later retracted some of the votes he had previously cast. This dim wit says quote "I didn't understand what that meant". What!!! What!!! So, when you're in the White House you are going to say duh I didn't understand what that meant.... yeah right get a life! He hasn't done anything! Poof* came out from nowhere,some folk have gone as far as to call him the second coming of Christ....that is deep. Too deep for me. I'm not that shallow, nor am I a follower, or a conformist. He's just another candidate that happen to have a darker hue than most, running in a political race, with the gift for gab. To tell the truth he's a joke.... Yeah I said it! I'm a black woman, I say that with conviction and could care less what people think about it black or white... I will say it again "HE IS A JOKE". How unfortunate he had to be the one to represent the Black Community.

Posted by: mgck59 | Apr 2, 2008 2:56:56 PM

If she declared the forces aligned against her the vast right conspiracy one year to suit the trials and tribulations, then she walks away from that concern when it is politically expedient now. My question becomes: who is Hillary really?

She and Bill asked us to fight these people during his presidency. Now that she is making nice with them and their tactics, have they had the kinds of change of heart that forces one to forgive and to forget? What evidence do they have especially when they want her to go negative on Obama?

I don't know what they, Scaife and the Clintons, have in mind but I don't think it will be good for progressive. She accused Obama of loving Reagan, but she cuddles up to the people who wasted our taxpayer dollars on investigating the US President for 8 years.

I don't look favorably on the investigations or her choice to associate with the agents of intolerance.

Posted by: Genna | Apr 2, 2008 1:18:12 AM

Food for thought: It does seem as if something is going on. We went through an office of 100 racially mixed employees today, came out with a strong Hillary support. Polls say Obama is LEADING Hillary almost in double digits. I don't think so! I think the Republicans are looking for an easy win...Knowing that Obama (REGARDLESS OF DELEGATES)is not going win. COMMON SENSE tells us that if it were easier for McCain to beat Hillary (since her ratings are so poor)wouldn't that make better sense to place her in the lead more so than Obama. Because the polls are media based information. Personally I'm not buying all this OBAMA love. Too many contradictions coming out of his OWN mouth. No one in their right mind would vote for ANYONE that was associated to someone that they found later to be a bigot. It seems as if they are trying SO HARD to trash Hillary. No she shouldn't concede, she's right. I wouldn't either.

Posted by: Mgck59 | Apr 1, 2008 12:48:45 PM

You guys just don't get it. Hillary is getting in bed big time with the ultra right-wing republicans; that's the whole point of this article that you seem to be missing. It's not a good thing that she was endorsed by this ultra-conservative rag.

Think! Her supporter praised FOX today; she has praised McCain repeatedly, and is working cooperatively on many fronts with the right-wing media to take Obama down. If she can't win, she is taking the Democratic party down with her.

Wake up Democrats; you are falling right into the trap of Clinton/Republicans, and this country will pay for it dearly.

Posted by: nandssmith | Apr 1, 2008 2:09:42 AM

I read it somewhere that Obama is inclined to favor Reagan and Bush Sr. economic policy, supply-side economy. Is this the kind of liberal thoughts that people who call themselves liberals want. I thought such policy has resulted our current woes. Can good reporters report this!

Posted by: kalli | Mar 31, 2008 6:32:46 PM

when Obama overstated, the written article classified it as myth and "not true" when Clinton overstated it becomes a lie. When will this end, glossing over Obama imperfections and big bold highlight over Clinton imperfections. Both are imperfect. I think Obama's true nature is telling when he equates his grandmother with the bigot Wright. I think his mother is crying now to see what Obama has become, belittling blood relatives and praising social relatives. Wow!

Posted by: kalli | Mar 31, 2008 6:28:40 PM

A positive story about Hillary Clinton? Well keep going, please! Why doesn't the U.S. media report on Obama's campaign owing $625,000 in unpaid bills? I have to read foreign newspapers to get ANY information about Barack.

Posted by: Susie | Mar 31, 2008 6:26:20 PM

I know one thing Obama has been too quiet, and polite for the last couple days. Telling the press "Clinton should keep on running". WATCH!!! All of sudden something is going to come up AGAIN about Hillary. He's extremely slithery just like a snake. Have to give it to her the woman is resilient. She's more woman, than he is a man.

Posted by: mgck59 | Mar 31, 2008 4:42:57 PM

Forgive my naiviete', but maybe she was taking a high road with a former "enemy". I don't think it was Faustian for her to respond to an interview request with his Pittsburgh paper.

Posted by: katrina | Mar 31, 2008 3:45:18 PM

Writer's blog question: What do you think is going on here?

what I think is going on here as usual, is that a schoolyard type agitator is trying to "set up" those he does not like. Hoping "bullies" will do his job for him, while he sits back out of the fray.

Seems as if said writer/agitator simply is so blinded by his own inadequacies, that he must constantly rip and tear at a "very adequate female Presedential" candidate.

If HRC talks to the press, any and all press including conservative, she has somehow "wounded" the ego of those such as the writer.

What a disaster today's media has become. They carp and pule more than any candidate could begin to. However, in this case, and for this blog writer, anything re HRC seems personal!

Posted by: MC | Mar 31, 2008 4:18:13 AM

Obama can play as a nice guy, for sure.
Pretending he is okay with Hillary stays longer on this race but push her from behind with using all the super delegates' hands.

Anyway, she is a tough, smart and she will survive.

Posted by: crisis08 | Mar 31, 2008 12:57:02 AM

DC Voter
But the Clinton campaign has yet to pay Forty Two for two other February events, and the employee said the campaign has stopped returning phone calls, e-mails and didn’t respond to a certified letter.

But ....but...Hillary already said she couldn't worry about every under capitalized business in the US. It's not Hillary's fault this vendor can't make an unplanned donation to her campaign. (heavy sarcasm)

Posted by: SuziQ | Mar 31, 2008 12:33:06 AM

Listening to all the cons (and too few pros) of the candidates I end up wondering which of these candidates will screw of my life the least.

My answer is McCain. I think he'll try to protect us while interfering in my life the least. Obama's agenda is a mystery and Hillary is a control freak with a plan she has devised for everything. ARRGH! I don't want Hillary running my life! All this government interference usually make matters worse - which must be why the federal government's main responsibility was SUPPOSED to be protecting us as a whole from foreign dangers. But the politicians love invading our lives and calling it "help" because they can raise taxes which increases the cash flow at their disposal. Anyone surprised that a good get rich quick scheme is getting elected to political office?

All this talk about how the government is going to get us jobs, etc is just hogwash to manipulate the masses. Most of us can do better left to our own devices if the politicians would get their mitts off our wallets.

Posted by: SuziQ | Mar 31, 2008 12:20:59 AM

Debra Starks has heard the calls for Hillary Rodham Clinton to quit the presidential race, and she's not happy about it.

The 53-year old Wal-Mart clerk, so bedecked with Clinton campaign buttons most days that friends call her "Button Lady," thinks sexism is playing a role in efforts to push the New York senator from the race. Starks wants Clinton to push back.

"The way I look at it, she's a strong woman and she needs to stay in there. She needs to fight," Starks said at a Clinton campaign rally. "If you want to be president, you have to fight for what you want. If she stays in there and does what she's supposed to do, I think she'll be on her way."

Amid mounting calls from top Democrats for Clinton to step aside and clear the path for rival Barack Obama, strategists are warning of damage to the party's chances in November if women - who make up the majority of Democratic voters nationwide, but especially the older, white working-class women who've long formed the former first lady's base - sense a mostly male party establishment is unfairly muscling Clinton out of the race.

"Women will indeed be upset if it appears people are trying to push Hillary Clinton out of the way," said Carol Fowler, the South Carolina Democratic Party chair who is backing Obama. "If you are going to ask her to withdraw, you'd better be making a strong case for it - both to the candidate and the public."

Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy last week became the first leading Democrat to openly call on Clinton to abandon her bid and back Obama, a sentiment shared by many activists worried that a drawn-out nominating contest only bolsters Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain.

Other Obama supporters have echoed that view while stopping short of asking Clinton to withdraw.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson on Sunday called Obama's lead all but insurmountable, while Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry said the contest would be reaching "a point of judgment" very soon.

"I don't think it's up to our campaign or any individual to tell Hillary Clinton or their campaign when that is," Kerry, the 2004 Democratic nominee, said on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday. "But there will be, I think, a consensus about it, and I think it's going to occur over these next weeks."

To be sure, Clinton campaign officials concede her path to winning the nomination is not at all clear.

She almost certainly will end the primary season narrowly trailing Obama in the popular vote and among pledged delegates unless the nullified primaries in Florida and Michigan are counted - an unlikely scenario at best. But Obama is unlikely to end the race with the 2,024 pledged delegates needed to win outright either, meaning the nominee will be determined by roughly 800 "superdelegates" - elected officials and party insiders who can back whichever candidate they want.

Most observers believe the superdelegates are unlikely to risk an intraparty uproar - not to mention the ire of black voters thrilled to support a black candidate - by siding with Clinton if Obama maintains his lead among pledged delegates.

But Clinton advisers believe many superdelegates remain at least persuadable, due in no small part to the influence of women voters on the party and in the general election.

"My e-mail is bursting with women who are furious, and it's grown in the last week," said Ann Lewis, Clinton's director of women's outreach and a longtime Democratic activist.

"These women are the volunteer infrastructure of the Democratic Party who've been proud to support Democratic officials for what they believe and stand for," Lewis said. "They are very angry that people they've worked for so hard would be so dismissive of Hillary and, by extension, of them and what they value."

Indeed, the gender gap in most of the primaries thus far has been stark.

In California, Clinton bested Obama by a margin of 59 percent to 36 percent among women. She beat him by 54 percent to 45 percent among women in Ohio, an important general election battleground state.

Obama, in turn, has walloped Clinton among men in nearly every state. But he's prevailed among women in just a handful of places, including his home state of Illinois and states with large black populations.

For his part, the Illinois senator - whose seemingly disrespectful crack of "You're likable enough, Hillary" during a debate with Clinton may have cost him the New Hampshire primary - said Saturday he did not believe Clinton should end her campaign.

"My attitude is Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants," Obama said in Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22.

Nine more primaries follow, ending June 3.

Clinton insists she's in it to the end, saying a "spirited contest" is good for the party and ultimately will produce a stronger nominee.

"There are millions of reasons to continue this race: people in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina, and all of the contests yet to come," she told reporters Friday in Hammond, Ind. "This is a very close race and clearly I believe strongly that everyone should have their voices heard and their votes counted."

Campaigning across the state Saturday, Clinton was greeted by large, heavily female crowds that shouted "You go, sister!" and "We've got your back!" in support of her pioneering candidacy. Indiana votes May 6.

Marie Wilson, president of the White House Project that trains women to run for office, noted that women typically have rallied around Clinton when she's appeared most vulnerable - from the revelations of her husband's dalliance with White House intern Monica Lewinsky to January's New Hampshire primary after the bruising loss to Obama in Iowa.

"Women have always been asked to step aside if it was somehow for the greater good. In this case, Clinton, and a lot of her female supporters, clearly feel that she would make the better president and that it would not be for the greater good for her to step aside," Wilson said.

Posted by: Women push back for HRC | Mar 30, 2008 11:55:05 PM

@Carpenter.nyc

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." -- Barack Obama
LOL right

Is Scaife getting back at his wife?

Posted by: magda | Mar 30, 2008 11:49:08 PM

"The Clintons have been through it already, and come out stronger."

mmm... maybe Hillary didn't come out so strong after all, for is she is losing this race.

And if she losing this race because of Obama's toughness, one might conclude that he is a better and stronger fighter than both Clinton AND the GOP that has NOT been able to tear her down.

Posted by: kurt | Mar 30, 2008 11:02:38 PM

Thinking, Rush Limbaugh is not promoting Sen. Clinton over Sen. Obama because he wants her to get the nomination or is afraid of Sen. Obama. Rush just wants the fight to continue. That's why he calls his effort Operation Chaos.

Posted by: James Danley | Mar 30, 2008 8:45:40 PM

Folks, the discussion of everyone having medical insurance is really a sham. In one of the debates where Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton detailed their health care plans, Sen. Clinton stated that under her plan those individuals who are currently pleased with their medical insurance can keep that plan..."FOR NOW!" The reason she is so vague about how she will force everyone to obtain medical insurance, is because she will eventually have every covered under Medicare or a similar bureaucracy. She intends to eliminate private medical insurance.

Now as for universal womb-to-tomb health care, be very careful what you ask for. Do your homework. Once the federal government takes over the health care system you will not be able to sue for malpractice should something go wrong. But even more importantly, under the guise of preventative health care the bureaucrats will tell us what we can or cannot eat and drink, and tell us what products we can or cannot purchase.

Don't just shrug this off! It is already happening! Not just in other countries with socialized health care, but right here at home. Some states are already considering forcing us to eliminate the traditional light bulbs and replace them with the compact fluorescent light bulbs. That might sound great until you realize just how much mercury is in these spiral light bulbs. Mercury is a potent neurotoxin, and it's especially dangerous for children and fetuses. One woman learned the hard way. When her daughter broke one of these light bulbs, her daughter became extremely ill. And it cost the woman $5,000 to have a company come in and decontaminate the room. Again, do your homework!

Posted by: James Danley | Mar 30, 2008 8:15:16 PM

@ Cindy

Hillary won Florida fair and square.

Obama had ads on TV and his supporters had life size cut outs of him, so he wasn't this "unknown" candidate in that.

The real problem is Michigan.

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 7:04:08 PM

"She's currently behind Obama by 700,000 votes"

Make that 814,000; check realclearpolitics for these numbers.

Posted by: Deirdre | Mar 30, 2008 7:02:36 PM

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 5:18:32 PM
------------------------
God Bless You jgaw. Too bad many more on these boards would post in such a respectful and well thoughout manner their postions on their candidates and why they support them. Instead they choose to just bash any opposing view over the head in a totally uncivil manner.

Posted by: Sparkie | Mar 30, 2008 6:58:59 PM

Bobby, if MI & FL re-vote, which I hope they do, Hillary will gain a few delegates and so will Obama. The reason she said today that she will stay in the race until those two states' delegate issue is resolved, is because she wants to get ahead in the popular vote count. She's currently behind Obama by 700,000 votes. That's an easier gap to fill than pledged delegates and will strengthen her argument to superdelegates to vote in her favor at the convention.

Posted by: Cindy in Salt Lake | Mar 30, 2008 6:57:31 PM

to plainly put it:
Hillary plan will cover all-and make it affordable for all. There is no reason everyone who can pay something-anything they can afford-they should be required to pay. Because if we are trying to get coverage for all-if you leave anyone out
itstill gives leverage to the insurance companies. and if people who are in need of healthcare-have jobs they should pay something-and I believe they should pay on the front end rather than the back end. and if the working poor do not have to pay-it will only cost you and me. the goal is affordable for all. and the working poor should pay something. and the bit about covering the children but giving the parents a choice-when I am flying on a plane I am told to put my o2 mask on before I put my childs on.-especially for the sake of the child. for me the same goes for the healthcare-if I am working and sick because I cannot afford healthcare I will either end up sicker-and therefore a burden on the healthcare system or i'll die. and either way my child will still suffer. and if enough adults who have the option to be covered-and opt not to-(the coverage my child has will soon dwindle down-because of the burden I have put on the system)
the only way to make universal healthcare work-is to require that all be covered. It then is affordable for all. and please do not believe what you hear about England and their system of universal healthcare. I have lived there and used that system-it is a fine system

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 6:49:13 PM

@Deirdre
How much will Hillary gain win the right thing is done Florida and Michigan?

and Obama didn't win Texas! He lost the PRIMARY where there was a HIGHER voter turnout.

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 6:43:08 PM

My husband really thinks that Clinton could end up being McCain's VP choice if she loses the nomination. He thinks this because of her (and Bill's) praise for McCain over Obama, i.e. experience, two people who really love their country. I find it hard to believe but who knows?

Posted by: Cindy in Salt Lake | Mar 30, 2008 6:40:36 PM

We all remember well I guess how Bill Clinton that Hillary's would be over were she to lose Texas.

Today we learn that she definitely lost Texas in pledged delegates.

With more than 56% of the results tallied from today's 284 Democratic district conventions across Texas, Obama currently is projected to earn a 38-29 pledged delegate win in the Texas caucuses, exactly as projected on the day after the March 4th precinct caucuses. The nine delegate margin in the caucuses means Obama will gain a net margin of five pledged delegates from Texas because Senator Clinton narrowly won the Texas primary by only four delegates, 65-61.

Posted by: Deirdre | Mar 30, 2008 6:39:34 PM

It continually amazes me to see the Democratic party, which has greater potential for across-the-board victory and greater inherent advantages this year than it's had for a generation, descend into this kind of vitriolic chaos.

I am not a member of any party, but I am predisposed, in general, to favor the Democrats in national elections (especially after the last 8 years of abject, spectacular Republican failure). But seeing the slime being thrown in the Democratic primary this year is making it very possible that I'll vote for McCain. And, as much as I hate to say it, that's especially true if Clinton wins the Democratic nomination. The ease with which she and her campaign (and, alas, so many of her "supporters" on boards like this) slip into such a positively Limbaugh-esque attack mode of utterly hyperbolic demonization and character assassination has turned me against her irrevocably.

Those of you who are Democrats and smearing each other so energetically: you're driving people like me away from your candidates.

Posted by: Hippodamoio | Mar 30, 2008 6:36:21 PM

Obama's plan is the same, but instead of forcing you to pay before being injured he forces you to pay when you get to the emergency room.

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 6:35:31 PM

Following is an excerpt from Prof. Charles Lipson's (U. Chicago) article - RCP website.

Is this something that the voters should ignore or know more about?

"Obama's final stump also lies in Kenwood, where he was friendly with the 1960s radicals, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. Ayers and Dohrn, now married, were members of the Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol. Ayers and Dohrn spent a decade on the run before turning themselves in and spending time in jail. Both are now professors and prominent figures in Chicago's leftist-progressive politics.

In his memoirs, Ayers speaks evocatively of his revolutionary days and reiterated his political commitments in an interview with the New York Times: "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough." The interview appeared with exquisitely bad timing--on September 11, 2001.

Posted by: Onlooker | Mar 30, 2008 6:35:29 PM

So, regarding health care.

What does each candidate think the coverage should be? Will it be a major-medical plan? Will it be as good as the members of congress get? Will it be highly socialized like England (where the richest have private coverage)? Will it have a medicine donut like Medicare has? Will it cover illegals? Etc.

In other words, what kind of meat is in the sandwich?

Posted by: Surelock Homes | Mar 30, 2008 6:31:58 PM

Oh, yes, I see, I agree with you.Bobby
on this

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 6:30:19 PM

Oh my god, I have wondered for months where Obama followers get their information.It is from Rush Limbaugh. 'nuff said.

Posted by: Barb | Mar 30, 2008 6:27:49 PM

@ surelock homes

if you want obama's plan then you want partial universal healthcare.

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 6:25:32 PM

jgaw:

Why do you think Clinton's health care system is better? And what do you think about her FORCING people to accept it or have their wages garnished?

Posted by: Surelock Homes | Mar 30, 2008 6:22:54 PM

lol i think all her plans are better too, but that is the only time they get into arguments.

and the media tries to make it seem hillary is healthcare obsessed.

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 6:21:26 PM

I am sorry, I think Hillary's plan for healthcare is better than what obama is proposing
but I will listen to why you think his is better.

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 6:19:01 PM

Difference between Obama and Clinton is the level of their Judgement and their Ideals in dealing with our Nation's day to day deals.

You must judge these 2 candidates.Who knows better? Who will worker Harder? Who can deal Better? WHO DO YOU REALLY KNOW BETTER?
My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." -- Barack Obama ( 20 years with a Black Liberation Church -- and he tells us to open our arms to other races and faith)

This quote tells me everything I need to know.

Hillary 08!


Posted by: carpenter.nyc | Mar 30, 2008 6:16:32 PM

obama would probally still be struggling with the Nation of Islam Minister question he had from the last debate-if she had not "schooled" him right there on national tv for all of us to witness.
That instance right there is why at best he should be vp. and not trying for president.
He said he was not ready for it.
I wish he had stuck by it. and not Kerry,bradley,dean, axelrod and crew talk him out of it.

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 6:14:27 PM

@ jgaw

you don't have to check...just watch the debates...

"i fundamentally agree with Senator Clinton"
"Senator Clinton and I have no real differences on this issues"

but on healthcare...

the you know what hits the fan.

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 6:12:31 PM

the difference is Hillary produced her plans for the economy, healthcare, student loans, ending the war responsibly, you know the list.
she produced first.
he copied
go check it
now the media will play it as if he originated the plan but not true-and she is still ahead on the news that comes out everyday. listen to her speeches-she tell what she will do over the next four year and how she will pay for them-and she also talks about what should be done about what is happenings today.

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 6:09:00 PM

Of course there isn't differences because he waits for her plans and then agree just this week he got busted for copying her $30 billion stimulus package.

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 6:05:21 PM

Would somebody be so kind as to tell us about any substantial difference between the policies of Obama vs the policies of Clinton?

I thought not.

Any difference is trivial indeed!

Posted by: Surelock Homes | Mar 30, 2008 6:01:38 PM

for the working poor, the middleclass, the uninsured,the college students,
it is the logical choice is:

Hillary/Edwards 08'

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 5:57:43 PM

@ alison

OBAMA HAD ADS AIRING ON TV!!!!

HE TRIED TO GAME THE SYSTEM IN CASE HE NEEDED THE DELEGATES, BUT HIS ADS DIDN'T WORK DID THEY?

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 5:45:06 PM

I just hope people really think before they support a person for a job which will make them one of the most powerful person in the world.

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." -- Barack Obama

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | Mar 30, 2008 5:43:29 PM

kravitz,

"done dis diva cut"?
we can all tell now,

You want hillary to be president so you can take advantage of her plan to pay for you to go back to school.
Excellent Kravitz.
Kravitz done decided they be for Hillary
sorry, I tried to keep myself from writing this-but I could not.
But this is part of what just gets me.
It was probally some of obama's far left
backer-that caused "K" to end up thinking to spell and form sentences such as these are either: a-correct or b:cute. it is not.
And since none of us really know these people-why don't we try to know what we need to know of them through-how they say they will handle the things that matter to us. the issues-

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 5:38:00 PM

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." -- Barack Obama

Or you can say it's just words...but this time it's Obama's own words, and you can see what he is saying....

enough said....lol

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | Mar 30, 2008 5:36:32 PM

Jim,
I'm amazed at your ability to detect someone's true party affiliation through an anonymous medium such as the Internet. Tell me, do feel an electrical sensation when you actually touch the keys, or does this type of data reveal itself in the form of background patterns via the monitor. Can you please tell me my party affiliation, I'm just curious.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 30, 2008 5:36:06 PM

Well, if the Lord Obama were doing this, it would be called "reaching across the aisles." Since it is Clintono it must be something awful and sinister. keep spewing people.

Posted by: tony | Mar 30, 2008 5:32:46 PM

@ KRAVITZ

Wasn't Obama all about the will of the people? Guess who won the PRIMARY IN TEXAS? HILLARY CLINTON and it was more than what Obama won the CAUCUS by. Most primary voters didn't even go to the CAUCUS or else he would've lost that too. As a Texan, I should know. You were required to vote in the Primary to be allowed to vote in the caucus, but if you voted in the Primary you didn't have to vote in the caucus.

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 5:28:29 PM

although I am an african american woman also-i do not believe hillary should be president just because she is a woman
any more that I believe it is alright for my black brothers and sisters to vote for obama because his skin is black.
I am supporting hillary because I have read where she stands of the issues of Healthcare, student loans, the economy
etc.
I would much rather see her get into office and work it out to get healhtcare for all. and therefore bring healthcare cost down for all. I heard a woman call into washington journal and say she had cancer-and was just about bankrupt-she said she hoped hillary got into office-because as far as she could tell-she would not be in the shape (financially) if she had hillary healthcare plan now.
I support hillary because of her plan for student loans-
I have a child in 2nd yr of colleg now, and another one coming up right in behind that one. My husband and I are nurses and my whole family wants hillary in office-so she can stop the predatory student loan-sharks.
I want hillary in office because of her plan for ending the war-responsibly-because (obama-has only copied hillary plan for withdrawal-like he has all of her other plans) and Mccain wants the 50-100 year war. I have grandchildren that I do not want to have to go and fight John Mccains war-he probally will not even survive the war he wants to carry on. I do not want to end up on welfare in my old age because the country' coffers have gone bankrupt.
this am they were just talking about how the food banks are drying up-the food banks that help the poor-are drying up. Now "H" you maybe well off and you want obama to win because of the "symbolic-we have a black president"
I know it cannot be because of the issues because-Mr. Obama-is not up on the issues-listen to the next debate and see how he stumbles when asked a direct question about the issues. He is the designer candidate-who has been groomed-you can go and see how groomed he is-google-"picture of obama holding phone receiver upside down"-and see the clock in the background set at 3oclock.
on the economy mr obama makes a speech and tells us the things the people already know. Hillary makes a speech and then turns around and takes questions and answers the people in the audience' questions. From some of the things I see of obama-he is all about making speeches-and getting applause.Hillary is all about the issues and solutions to those issues.
Now I am capable of listening to all the junk I hear and read about Hillary and then listen to what she has to say about the issues that affect me. and I am able to discern-what she is offering to me on the issues far out weigh the negative stuff I hear about her.
especially when I put her solutions next to obama speeches and mccains wanting to cont' this war.
and that is my stance and I am sticking with it.
On the issues she is the right one
Hold you nose and vote for her.
over the next four years you will be glad you did.
I have a right to say what I think-that is why we have this instrument to use this way. and I enjoy reading well thought out comments-even those that disagree with mine. but the crazy stuff-no place for that here. Our country is in too dire straits to be dealing with that made-up, dreamed-up, all in the past stuff-especially if it is not going to make life better for all americans.
I am black, I am a woman, and I will not give my vote away obama just because he is black
I will not give my vote away to a woman, just because she is a woman.
to many good people sufferd and died for me to have the right to vote.
I have been reading their positions and paying attention-to how fair and balanced this thing is shaping up.
I am voting for the one who is most qualified-to articulate the solutions to the issues.
I am voting for Hillary.
Hillar 08'

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 5:18:32 PM

That if the "political experts" on CNN and MSNBC would quit trashing Clinton while kissing up to Obama 24/7, they would find that she is by far the best candidate. She has more knowledge and experience as well as better econonmic and health care plans than Obama or McCain. She should be the Democrat nominee and subsequent, President.

Posted by: PMC | Mar 30, 2008 4:59:25 PM

so why should i vote for obama? because he promises "change" and he's a "uniter". I wouldn't have voted bush the first time he ran and i won't vote for the Democratic version now!

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 4:54:42 PM

Mellon Scaife no doubt figured the way he could hurt her most was by complimenting her and he's probably correct. It will feed the rumors that she's scheming and plotting with him. When it comes to the Clinton's Democrats have always been their own worst enemies. They just don't know how to take the good with the bad even though the good frequently outweighs the bad.

Posted by: duck476 | Mar 30, 2008 4:53:16 PM

@ h

Obama took $1,000,000 from sub prime mortgage companies!

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 4:52:17 PM

You people make me sick Hilly is a fake she care nothing about thew middle or poor class of peole in this country.She has never wanted for nothing.Wait until you see her tax report>>>She took 800.000 for insurance companys after her health paln fell threw yes,more then you and I make in a life time.She is a lair>>>>>>>>>>Her private trust was about 41 mil....Wal Mart,oil, medical, insurances all the big boys she has played footies with.WISE UP.

Posted by: h | Mar 30, 2008 4:49:50 PM

@ H

what a stupid thing to say.

hillary supports are way beyond the fact that they are voting for the first woman who has an actual chance. they are voting for her because her SOLUTIONS. the fact that she is a woman is a side note and not the BASIS of her campaign, and when she says that she actually means it unlike Barack Obama.

Posted by: Bobby | Mar 30, 2008 4:48:14 PM

Folks, the real revolution is actually still going on, out there in our country, in the open, while so many are typing hate messages in little boxes in these blogs...

One man running as presidential candidate visited Penn State University on this Sunday afternoon -

more than 22000 people came to see and listen to him...

22000 people, imagine that.

There's only 1 candidate in this race who would accomplish that.

That man will be, for many good reasons, the next President of the United States.

Posted by: Keats | Mar 30, 2008 4:43:11 PM

Obama had to run a campaign against the Clintons, who had over 60 people die mysteriously under their regime, and the Federal Government.

WOW! You are the first person in history who had to run against two people (actually three when you add Chelsea), with one being a two-term president.

Obama, you are doing a wonderful job.

Posted by: jack | Mar 30, 2008 4:39:41 PM

No lead in raw vote or delegates... Well I guess her being a woman is more important than the pigment of Obama's skin. It's amazing that the towo most liberial and big government war mogers are arguing over who gets to feed at the corporate trough. What are we arguing about? Neither of these people are intending to respresent US in office. THey are fighting to dictate and lord over us, with the tyranny of bigger government. You are fighting and wasting time over which dictator you prefer. What is wrong with you folks? Do you NOT think, EVER???

Posted by: cba | Mar 30, 2008 4:36:01 PM

@ ALL ANTI-HILLARY POSTERS...

if America didn't want her as our president the big states would have told her...and guess who decides the presidency? not the popular vote! the electoral college, and who has more power in the electoral college? the big states!

Posted by: John | Mar 30, 2008 4:01:47 PM

Did ABC miss the news on Maggie Williams?

While Hillary Clinton campaigns for the Democratic presidential nomination in neighborhoods where many have lost their homes in unscrupulous lending schemes, her campaign manager, Margaret “Maggie” Williams, sits on the board of one of the nation’s once-largest and now-bankrupt sub-prime mortgage lenders.

Williams joined the board of directors at New York-based Delta Financial Corporation in 2000, one month after a federal settlement was reached with Delta Financial over discriminatory lending practices.

As of September 2007, Williams owned 12,500 shares of Delta’s common stock, and by 2007 had earned at least $175,000 for her board obligations, according to company filings available in the Securities & Exchange Commission online database.

Posted by: harold | Mar 30, 2008 4:01:23 PM

Compared to running away after 8 questions were asked?

Posted by: geevill | Mar 30, 2008 4:01:16 PM

jgaw, you wrote: "...then we elected a president (Gore) and the other one running (GW Bush) stole it from us."

Repeating the lie over and over again still doesn't make it true. It was Al Gore who tried to steal the election from George W. Bush. Al Gore tried to cherry-pick a handful of counties that were heavily Democratic to recount instead of calling for a full statewide recount. Furthermore, several newspapers did, in fact, complete the recount of the entire state and determined that George W. Bush did win Florida in 2000.

Now if you are talking about the fact that Al Gore won the popular vote, that is irrelevant. The U. S. Constitution details the process for electing the President. And accordingly George W. Bush received more electoral votes.

Posted by: James Danley | Mar 30, 2008 3:58:39 PM

"H" or I should say "van winkle"
Did you just wake up?
American has moved on-
1st we celebrated the year 2000
then we elected a president (Gore)
and the other one running(GW Bush) stole it from us.
then we had an attack on our country
911-if you can find some current picture of new york-you will see the twin towers are not there any more.
and then the president who stole the election from us-started a war.
and then he was elected again-by duping the poor whites and evangelicals
and during his second term-well the country is just in a mess. but we are now in another election season-meaning we are trying to elect another president
and on the dems side-some of the muckkeydmucks are trying to dupe some of us again.
Well, now that you are awake, and I have tried to bring you up to speed-
promise you will not comment on any of that old stuff you just wrote about again.
We are happy for you to join us, in this discussion. but take a few minutes and get up to speed on the issue of this election now. We need you, awake, coherent and talking about the issues of today, of which none of that stuff you were just rambling on about are a part of. and Paula Jones just told me to tell you-Please, please tell him don't mention my name. Let's respect Ms. Jones privacy-and leave her out of this.

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 3:37:47 PM

We had all better hope-and do all we can to keep the bigwigs in the dem party from "fixing this race" and that is just what they are trying to do.
d/c fl, and mich. and trying to get hillary to drop out before all the primaries are over.
I am going with Hillary to win
Hillary wins=american win
Hillary is the only one talking about solutions to the problems
and all of you who hate hillary for all those crazy things-that will not do anything for you
Just hold your nose and vote for her
your pocketbook will thank you later

and now-
bringing up the rear and all the american voters with her
Hillary 08' Brilliant!

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 3:24:32 PM

Here are a few names to run by you Jim,,,take them and look up what happened.The Clinotns are now under invesgation in Calf.as we speak,Foster,Mc Doggal,Brown,Riser 2 TulleyThis is one that get me pi---- Paula Grober>>>>Wise,Willey,Brunch,Walker,Martin Sael,Collins,Parks and all the files gone Body guards:Barkley Jr. Scott, Rhodes, Williams .These are a few sonnyboy,ask Mr Hillybilly and see what she has to say.

Posted by: h | Mar 30, 2008 3:21:54 PM

Slate puts Hillary Clinton's chances at 12%. I think when they factor in the Texas caucus results that will drop to somewhere around -5%, give or take 2 or 3%. Hillary is history. If you do the math, she has NO democratic path to the White House. She will never, ever be president.Where IS that iron ?

Posted by: hillarywho? | Mar 30, 2008 3:13:31 PM

for all those who want and should read and do a little research there is a difference between Hillary plan and obama-
Hillary had the plan first
Obama copied.

in one of the lower comments someone called hillary "an old bag"
and obama an empty suit
well i say
Obama is War Admiral
Hillary is Seabiscuit

I'm Pulling for old Seabiscuit!
Hillary 08'-Brilliant!

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 3:05:39 PM

-- correct some typos and repost here

There have been more myths than realities in the media reports about this election.

One example is we are told that Obama is a life-long unifier and Clinton is a well-known divider.

The reality contains these considerations:

First of all there has been no evidence at all that Obama has ever worked with the other side to achieve anything.

Secondly it would be very naive if you think a radical liberal or whatever can unite those hardcore republicans without giving up very much of his own base with Kennedy, Kerry etc.

Thirdly, more generally speaking, a unity is always based on some common ground or common enemy. US has been deeply divided in more fundamental interests and metaphysical conceptions of religion, race, and ideology. Has Obama ever given any signals that he could stand above all these, and have a route map to unite all – not just under the influence of the black liberation theology and the beloved Rev. Wright? Is Mrs. Clinton better in it, with her mainstream religion background, historical association with bl