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Poor Hillary. How did things go in Bosnia...tell me that story again, it's my favorite.

He's sending a message to the superdelegates, folks. Time to wrap it up, folks! It's not about votes anymore...it's about getting her to leave.

Regarding: TO ANYONE WHO IS INTERSTED IN FACTS,Bill Richardson is going with his state. In the state of New Mexico Hillary only got 49% of the vote Obama got 48% of the vote the 1% of the vote went to Bill Richardson and 2% of the vote went to Edwards. That means that 51% of the people did not vote for Hillary. So he is as a super delegate is actually reflecting the vote of his state. The 51% that did not want to vote for Hillary.

NEWS FLASH:::::: According to your absurd Math, 52% of New Mexico voted AGAINST OBAMA. Get real. Hillary won the popular vote and the Caucus vote against Obama on a one on one in New Mexico. This is the inherent problem with the Obama fanatics, not only are they in serious denial, but they can't even calculate basic arithmetic. And, we are supposed to believe their simple Math calculations are the way to go. Sorry, no way.

The 2008 election campaign has seen the unmasking of the Clintons to be less than the great allies of civil rights. Disappointingly, critics argue that their opportunistic nature has been exposed for the world to see.

Additionally, the conduct of Hillary and her husband has created an awakening amongst blacks who held the powerful political family in esteemed reverence. Black leaders have begun to murmur that the Clintons are wolves in sheep clothing and question the sincerity of their previous commitment to help accomplish the goals of the historic Selma, Alabama marches. They posit that the enemy, who [in disguise] marches along with them and echoes their cry for the opportunity to have full participation at America’s table, is a much more formidable foe than the one who openly expresses his hatred. At least the latter [they say] is recognizable and can be better managed.

But are the Clintons closeted Bigots as many observers now imply- or are they simply self centered power hungry politicians who believe that they are entitled to rule damn the cost? Whatever the answer, [according to many Democrats] some of Bill & Hillary’s tactical conduct in this primary has crossed the line.

TO ANYONE WHO IS INTERSTED IN FACTS,

Bill Richardson would actually have to vote against 51% of the people of New Mexico in order to give his superdelagate vote to Hillary. That is simple math. HILLARY RECEIVED only 49% of the vote. So, to say Bill Richardson went against his state, is truly misrepesenting the facts. Other than further division, I'm not sure what this report is suppose to accomplish.

To anyone interested
Bill Richardson is going with his state. In the state of New Mexico Hillary only got 49% of the vote Obama got 48% of the vote the 1% of the vote went to Bill Richardson and 2% of the vote went to Edwards. That means that 51% of the people did not vote for Hillary. So he is as a super delegate is actually reflecting the vote of his state. The 51% that did not want to vote for Hillary.

I've long suspected that the Obama campaign says superdelegates should vote according to their state or constituency, only as long as this would give the Obama campaign an advantage.

On factchecker it is very clear that superdelegates are allowed to vote for anyone they wish too. This can be noted by Bill Richardson endorsing Obama but remember New Mexico went to Clinton. Or in my area, congresswoman Anna Eshoo endorsing Obama, while California voted for Clinton.

I really dislike Obama's double standards. It's very hypocritical.

People, please do your research!
Tony Rezko also contributed to George W's campaign!

Also, please watch the full video of Jeremiah Wright's sermon. Things are not what they seem.
I'm tired of the media giving us bits and pieces of what they think we should hear.

This is not only dividing the Democratic Party, but our country as a whole.

Americans know that Gov. Richardson like the Senator from Illinois say one thing one day and then say something different the next day. I hope that the Senator from Illinois has better judgment at 3 AM in the morning than selecting individuals like Tony Rezko, Pastor Wright, State Senator Meeks, Gov. Richardson, and General McPeak, retired. In my view, the Senator from Illinois has judgment problems and America cannot afford such a president at 3AM in the morning.

If superdelegates should reflect the will of the voters, then does that suggest that superdelegates should be allocated according to percentage of the vote? Or all or nothing like the GOP? I've run the numbers and if you choose choice #1, Obama wins. On the otherhand, if it is all or nothing like the GOP have, in that scenario then Obama wins again. Darn it! Well, maybe if they follow the overall will of the voters. Darn, Obama again.

Richardson, sadly, can't get Democrats elected in NM. Couldn't beat repubs Dominici and Wilson last time.

Latinos consider their votes their own, and too valuable to cast uninformed, just as I do.

Blacks may be enamored with a half-black candidate. But Latinos will not be swayed by a half-Latino telling them how to vote.

They historically trust the Clinton's, and can tell you exactly why, regarding their personal feelings. They also do not bloc vote. They make a considered choice.

I am an anglo, but the majority of my living relatives are Latino and Native American.

Richardson turned traitor because he had to.

Richardson's presidential campaign has debts of nearly $391,000.

Obama's Iraqi Billionaire friend who has been giving Obama Millions (I wonder why???) is paying off Richardson's debts.

You people are amazing. It turns my stomach to read that these types of opinions actually exist. Hillary won in NM because she cheated with the polls and ballots there, ask anyone who lives there or who reveals the truth. They are sick people, the Clintons, who will clearly stop at nothing to win, and God help us if she becomes president. No morals.

Jed,

OBAMA is toast - Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko.

Stay tuned!

I too have noticed that keith Oberman show is now working overtime for Obama because people stopped watching the show once he exposed who he really is - a left winger or the O'Reilly of the right.

I think he has lost his audience (me included) so the people at MSNBC feel he needs 24 hours daily to have people watch the show. Too late.

Hillary is toast.

Richardson: "I believe the campaign has gotten too negative. I want it to be positive. I think that’s what’s been very good about Senator Obama’s campaign — it’s a positive campaign about hope and opportunity."

Um, did the Obama camp conveniently forget the memo that they have gone negative on Clinton? Yikes! So, now he can be viewed as disloyal AND oblivious.

i agree that Obama has offered Pelosi something. After the Feb 5 super tuesday, Pelosi's original reaction to the super delegates was to 'use their own judgment' .

Now all of a sudden she INSISTS they be with whomever has more delegates no matter what other circumstances there are.

Its just sad is what it really is.

Doesnt matter. The church scandal has made Obama unelectable

He has lost the Clinton democrats.

Him saying she is unelectable today is probably not going to get him too many clinton votes anyways.

Jackie

I saw you used my screen name to post some anti-Hillary comments in another thread. This kind of silly stuff not appreciated.

This whole foreign policy experience claimed by Hillary has no substance, since with all her experience she anyway voted wrong on Iraq war. She was as dumb as Bush. Her Iran vote supporting Bush is another blunder, as Biden rightly told her on her face during the debates. She is still stubborn, just like Bush. Expecting she will produce different result this time is indeed "Rolling the Dice." If the answer for leading the country is someone that has a lot of foreign policy experience, we can just go down to the State Department and pick up any one of the tens of thousands of people who spent all their life in foreign policy. If traveling 80 countries is all that she can show off, my travel agent have traveled 170 countries. Vote for my travel agent.

I am a Hillary Clinton supporter and have voted Democratic ever since my college days. I am now almost 60 years old. Apparently Bill Richardson forgot what he said before the Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island, and Vermont primaries. How he can endorse Obama after the Reverent Wright fiasco and after contradicting himself on national television is beyond comprehension. But then I look at Kennedy, Kerry, and Patrick. They didn't deliver Massachusetts for Obama. So in the end, Richardson's endorsement is for a sinking ship - whether it sinks now in the Democratic primaries or later in the national election. Obama is unelectable. Despite media bias for Obama, the American people will not vote for President someone who sat in a church for 20 years listening to venomous rhetoric from his pastor, whose record in the state legislature and later in the U. S. Senate was hardly that of some "mover and shaker" but more that of a very cautious person who was more concerned about offending possible political supporters down the road. With the mess that the country is in now, we need a fighter - someone who has proven she is tough and experienced. That person is Hillary Clinton!

I gotta tell you since she lived in Kansas, Seattle and Hawaii I am really kind of hesitant to believe that she spent a lot of time indulging in racial and ethnic slurs....

But then again I doubt the premise and context of his speech.

Richardson has said that he's thrilled with all the attention he's received since he dropped out of the race. This is a guy that is more than happy to take the No 2 slot.

He doesn't care what the will of the people in his state is.

Regardless, of who endorses Obama there are thousands daily that he's losing and they won't be back.

Wonder if he ever took his Grandma to church with him? Actually she's still living does he even stay in touch? Oh right he had a campaign stop there once. But then again she was only a "typical white grandmother"

To- Disappointed with Gov

I agree with you- I think Pelosi has her own agenda- not sure what it is yet. Maybe she thought she would get a vice president or cabinet position from Obama.

Now I think she sees with all of his blunders lately that he cannot win in the general election against McCain. But that's even better for her because if he loses she can run for president herself in 4 years.

Or she's supporting him because she thinks she will be able to push him around and she knows that she can't push Hillary around.
Or she's just clueless!

Hillary 2008

The New York Times, February 23, 2008: “In a call last week, Mr. [Bill] Richardson feigned shock to Mr. Obama that he had prevailed in the District of Columbia primary, a teasing reference to Washington’s heavily black population. The two men shared a giggle, and then it was down to business.”

Geraldine Ferraro said Obama has done well because he is black and she has to leave the Clinton campaign! While Obama and Richardson crack jokes and laugh about Obama winning in D.C. because Obama is half black and D.C. has many black voters.

After Geraldine Ferraro’s comments Obama said: "I don't think Geraldine Ferraro's comments have any place in our politics or in the Democratic Party. They are divisive. I think anybody who understands the history of this country knows they are patently absurd," he told the Allentown Morning Call. "And I would expect that the same way those comments don't have a place in my campaign they shouldn't have a place in Senator Clinton's either."

Following Obama’s logic, Richardson does not have any place in our politics or in the Democratic Party. Obama must believe he and Richardson are divisive. Obama believes his laughing and Richardson’s comment on the D.C. black vote is patently absurd. Obama apparently must feel there is no place in his campaign for Richardson’s comments or his own promotion of such comments. Obama should reject Richardson’s comment and make a public apology for laughing instead of disagreeing and correcting him. Shame on you again Obama.

Disappointedwithgov,

You are right. I think Pelosi has a strategy like you said.
She is leaning to Obama that she knows if Obama won she would take over in the next 4 years.

That is hilarious. Did someone actually post the polling results from Indiana from a month ago?! Lame.

To Gov. Richarson, the democrats will never stop fighting against each other as long as people like him and Obama play dirty politics. He waits to see who was ahead so he would choose the one he thought could be best for him not the Country. I'm glad Obama has him. The Clintons were very good to him and see his repayments. Loyalty should mean something. Obama hasn't shown any loyalty for most of the citizens in this Country and no loyalty for this Country. I put Richardson in the same boat. If Obama wanted to bring all of us together in this Country, why did he sat for 20 years listening to this Country and most its people damned?

I thought Obama had already announced Vice President Oprah! The Rev. Wright issue may die down now but it will come back. There is too much there. The church has an aggressive Africa First agenda. Check out its web site and its mission statement/principles. Also expect to see info coming out on Obama's political connections thru his cousin in Kenya and his relationship with the Weatherman Underground in Chicago. He may be the Democratic nominee but he is no longer electable as POTUS. This is really doing major damage to the Democratic party which is coming off among Republicans and more and more Independents as the party that can't shoot straight because it is too busy chasing moonbeams. If he gets the nomination it will be a pyrrhic victory. Clinton supporters will not riot but they will probably not vote for him in huge numbers. If Clinton gets the nomination and it results in AA rioting at the convention and elsewhere (as has been threatened), Dems will be destroyed for the next generation. Clinton will support Obama in the GE and campaign for him but it will do no good.

Bill Richardson's decision to go with Obama just prove that every superdelegate should and have the obligation to vote independently and not bound by the popular vote. It's something Hillary has been saying for months but Obama was against it from the get go but now feels its ok. Obama wants to have it his way everytime.

lol, I give up Vanessa, you know more about polls than anyone else in the world. How do you think they conduct polls? They call people in the state and ask who they would vote for. This AOL straw poll is doing the exact same thing only online.

Vanessa, you're missing the point. It is a straw poll, it takes a quick reading of the current temperature of the political landscape, and right now over 152,000 people have voted, and you can only vote once, and Hillary is ahead in almost every state. I am quite sure when the new Indiana polls come out, Hillary will be in the lead. She has a great ally in Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana.

I think it would be Keith Olbermann's worst nightmare if Hillary won the nomination. Can you say special comment. Have you noticed he is on at 8-10-12 and 2. Could they give Obama anymore hype?

No Vanessa, stop backpedaling,you said he gave 250K to the church, you never wrote community. So if you left it out as a typo, how is that my fault?

Vanessa-Did you read Trapper's article? So what do you think of Richardson's words? Oh, sorry, you're an Obama supporter. You and Richardson's words mean exactly what they DON'T say, correct? Just words, Wright?

Too bad. Butlet's face it : the Democrats are going the way of '72. Another rainbow coalition, another defeat. God ! And I thought we had a chance to dethrone the Republicans. How naîve I was. Guess my wote will now be going to a real american heroe : John McCain.

Golly Vanessa, there you go again, The Indiana polls you quoted are over a month old, a lifetime in politics. Newer polls show Hillary ahead. The latest AOL straw poll show her 17 points up out of 2,570 voters. Not looking good for Obama at all in Indiana, Kentucky, PA & She just tied him in NC.

Richardson and Kerry both had psychology problem.

They should follow the voters as their their state did, now who did they vote for?

Does Obama have anyone competent on his team?

Seems like he has attracted all of the political castaways?

And they all seem to view Obama as their vehicle through which to exact revenge over their former failures!

Wow, what a great starting point. A campaign which is rotten to the core.

OBAMA NEEDS TO DROP OUT NOW!

Talking out of both sides of his mouth....Just like Obama!

Wright's visiting some Divinity school on Mar 29th in Texas for a Black State of the Church award being conferred on him. He is on his way in a paddleboat from Hawaii.

Jackt51-How's the weather over there in FAR-LEFT country? How's Sharpton and Jackson? Oh, Wright, forgot the good reverend. He still visiting Africa? Home of his church, spiritual home of the africian-centric establishment. Obama's spiritual man of the people. Say, how many times can Obama throw his grandmother under the bus in a week? Answer: Two . . .so far.

No Vanessa. Hillary supporters don't believe that superdelegates should vote the way their state did. That was what the Obama campaign believed and they continue to prove over and over again that THEIR words don't matter. Obama has taken a page out of flip-flopper Kerry's rule book.

Hillary supporters believe that superdelegates should vote their independent judgment and as such, she will win the nomination.

Vanessa-Wright, Vanessa. We gonna take it to the floor in Denver and let Sharpton and Jessie Jackson do the marching. Hey, Venessa, Al and Jessie are looking for a few good men so you aught to join.

Vanessa

Pleask ask Obama campaign to make up their mind on one of the following

1. SD's should vote according to state
2. SD's should vote their conscience

Even McCain will not forget the options and will stick to one!!!!!!

don't you understand? the superD's should only vote their state, constituency when it favors obama. that is the only fair and unifying way.

Is any one surprised a lib double talks, come on already!

One day I was listening to a Radio Station when they were interviewing a black woman. She was asked, is it hard for you to vote because you are black and a woman? She said, I asked my mother for advice and she (her mother) told me that "they will vote a man in first before they would ever vote a woman in." Then she went and voted for Hillary. I am beginning to think this is true.

Plus, Nancy Pelosi, well she is another story. I think she wants to be the first woman to be president that is why she keeps on talking against the re-vote in FL and Mich. She wants to run in four years after Obama messes up everything. She know that Obama does not have any experiences and she is lending toward Obama.

And, Howard Dean, what a _____! I think Dems should fire him before Nov. He has messed up and dragging the Dems down with him. Dems need to unite and call for his resignation or else look forward to losing.

An independent voter that will vote for McCain because I do not believe that a person that embraces hatred toward others should be elected as the president of US.

That's Richardson for you. First, wait to see if FL will be counted for Hillary. Nope, check! Second, wait to see if MI will be counted. Nope, check! Look at numbers again. Looks good, check. Texas is over. Exactly, check. Is DNC on side? Absolutely, check. Is Dean on side? Obama man, check. Do I have to stick my butt out on this? No, thank God, check! Well, it's obvious then, I support Obama! What's in it for me?

The fact that the Obama campaign killed both FL and MI re-vote simply proves that Hillary Cliton "won" both states genuinely and legitimately. If they have a good chance of winning, they would not have done this to disappoint and disenfranchise the FL and MI democrats. The radical liberal are trying very hard to silent the voices of many moderates - all the distractions like this endorsement.

According to the Albuquerque Tribune, as of feb. 8, the NM superdelegates status was as follows:

Total: 12
Clinton: 6
Obama: 1
Undecided: 5

Given the close result in NM, I think it is fair to say that Richardson is doing right by evening the score a bit.

Richardson, a profile in courage . Obama, was Richardson's statements "just words?" Are they just words? Can the Obama camp do anything Wright anymore?

If superdelegates should vote according to how their states voted, then all Massachusetts congressmen including Kerry and Kennedy should vote for Hillary.

Vanessa

So if Obama is uniting the DNC, why is the DNC down? Is his magic not working? I thought you were already in heaven with Crazy Uncles Wright, Rezko and Uncle Barry!!!!!

"my recollection is in an interview making that comment, when the reporter remarked that Clinton had won his state, Richardson specifically pointed out that it was very close in his state, so he did not go against his words, as you indicate. When reporting, it is important to be fair and honest."

It was indeed close but this is really a fancy way of justifying moving the goal posts. Missouri was really close and I don't see Obama conceding that as a tie on his website. A win is a win according to them, so it seems reasonable to hold them accountable to their words.

Vanessa,

Not so fast. Becoming the nominee by disenfranchising the voters in Florida and Michigan is not winning but STEALING the election. Not to mention that it makes sure your candidate has NO chance whatsoever in those two states in November.

Until then, meet us in Pennsilvania.

Hillary '08

my recollection is in an interview making that comment, when the reporter remarked that Clinton had won his state, Richardson specifically pointed out that it was very close in his state, so he did not go against his words, as you indicate. When reporting, it is important to be fair and honest.

Yes, we are all waiting for Ted Kennedy and John Kerry to endorse Hillary.

The Obama camp says whatever is convenient for it.

They always try to guilt voters and delegates into backing Obama.

Guilt does not make for very strong coalition glue.

MattOhio -- Gotcha.

Vanessa = Keith Olbermann

Good analysis Tom. Can you now give us the breakdown of Massachusetts?

Richardson has revealed himself to be an opportunist whose loyalties shift according to his perception of his own best interests. This won't be lost on Obama. And if he turns out to have backed the wrong horse, he's burned his bridges with Hillary. That, indeed, would be an "Oops."

Oh Vanessa. You have listed a bunch of "stats" that still fail to give Obama a win. If it was such a sure thing for him, why isn't it over?

Also, by saying she is still in this race because she is married to Bill is equivalent to saying that Obama is still in this race because he is black. Stop it.

Oops is right. When Obama and Richardson suggested that idea, Clinton said it didn't matter. All we want is one candidate to face the Cyborg.

Clinton won it by what? 5,000 votes?
It was incredibly close. I'm sure there are Super's in NM who will vote for Clinton. So... if the Super's in NM vote on a 51-49 split, they would be voting as the state votes.

-Tom

For the media this won't matter. The likes of Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann are having a blast (see Matthews's interview in the morning Joe today) that their Golden boy has killed the re-vote plans and received this endorsment to change the subject.

How would the left media have reacted if Hillary or Bill had said "Typical black person"? How would Olbermann and Matthews have reacted if a Clinton surrogate had stated what John Kerry said yesterday? How would they have reacted if Hillary had contradicted her previous statements in her own speech?

This is truly pathetic and makes me sick to my stomach. I am a Democrat but with this travesty, I won't vote for Obama. At least John McCain is real and his victory in November will serve all these hypocrites right.

Defeat? Your candidate has had three clear opportunities to shut the door on the Clinton candidacy. Why hasn't it happened? Yes, for the same reasons why the 'inevitable' candidate hasn't been able to either. The American people have two highly competent candidates and are split in their support. When the dust settles and we can get back on track to the ISSUES and round out the primaries, hopefully we'll have our nominee. Of course, I'll hope that it's Hillary as many of you will hope it's Barack.

Richardson is simply reacting to the inconsistencies in Clinton's actions vs. her words.

Well all these black supers now should not feel any pain in supporting Hillary, they all said the Clinton's were good to them, some even said that they were their friends and friendship is important that is what was making their decision to support Obama so difficult.

When they got the call from the Obama camp they switched so now they can switch back because that line about I vote how my state votes has been destroyed with Kerry, Kennedy and Richardson.

After Bill R. saw he was going to stop 2 states from voting he thought he would have a chance to win so he could get the VP. spot with Obama. Problem is Bill America knows the only way he can win is to only count the states that go for him and disenfranchise the voters. Isn't that being a little disingenuous?

CLinton on NAFTA... Oops
Clinton on Iraq.... Oops
Clinton on race.... Oops
Clinton on I am the Democratic Selection

Oops!

Of course as we learned Richardson's words of praise for Obama were all scripted. Just how bitter are these losers like Richardson and Huckabee that they can't bow out gracefully.

Politics is politics... the Obama staffers and supporters are fast learners. By the time he gets the nomination, he will have had to compromise all those silly promises about a new style of campaigning. He started out as a Black JFK... he’s going to end up a Black Bill Clinton (or is that redundant?).

I had to write this to The Times Online because it seems they only display pro-Obama comments and propaganda on their site. Anyone know how to shut down their site or inundate them with the truth?
"I have no doubt you will not show my comments because just reading the ones you've posted shows just how left-leaning Europeans are. You are much like the mainstream media in the U.S. that while lauding bipartisanship and declaring themselves unbiased in reporting, glow about Obama's speech as if he's the second coming. His speech not only further insulted those that would help him to victory in November, but never explained his blatant lack of judgment for tolerating years of (and by silence, condoning) statements full of hateful and unpatriotic vitriol. Well, it appears the U.S. may not afterall be heading in the wasteful and suffocating socialist direction behind which the Europeans and Canada have thrown their fate."

Correction ..... "politician" should have been in quotes. Not all politicians play the game some really are about the people.

"Senator Clinton won New Mexico by one percentage point after some of supporters took some of the votes home with them. I think Gov. Richardson IS supporting the person who won his state."

Yes, and Obama won Missouri by 1% of the vote as well but we don't see him conceding any loss there. Probably doesn't matter too much because the latest polls in Missouri don't look too promising--McCain leads Obama by +14 and Clinton by +2. Doesn't look so evening split anymore.

As a New Mexican I had expected this from Richardson. He puts his foot in his mouth often....politician....ya know.

His endorsement at a time when Obamas #'s, in many polls, is crashing is a joke. Not a wise man. Any suggestion of him as VP would also be a HUGE mistake.

Well it was a squeaker at NM. Politicaly he he could go either way. What he has done is waited to see how it was going nationaly, and after the FL MI decision of no revote, he threw his support behind the from runner.
The race issue, that the Clinton campaign, would not allow to die down, did not help her cause with getting Richardson's nod either.

Since Clinton won Massachusetts and New Mexico, but Kennedy, Kerry, and Richardson are going with Obama...I think this is a strong argument for superdelegates going with independent judgment and not the voters in their states. In other words, it is okay to ignore the will of the people in your state if you are a superdelegate!

One thing the media is not covering enough is that NEITHER Obama nor Clinton can win without Florida and Michigan's delegates. Both will fall short of the 2024 required. Obama seems just as political and calculating as everyone he criticizes as he tries to stonewall and delay decisions about these 2 states.

yup I heard that too! What a flip-flopper. The second he saw Obama flip-flopped on the issue whether he has heard those divisive speeches from Wright, Richardson said "That's my man!"

Richardson just signaled to the superdelegates that it is okay to vote their independent judgement, as was intended. I bet Pelosi will be fuming over this one.

Now no one can be angry if a majority of the remaining supers throw their support to Clinton.

The voters of New Mexico are being disenfranchised along with caucus states and voters from Michigan and Florida.

Bill Richardson has taken the same route as John Kerry and Ted Kennedy when he ignores the majority of his constituency.

Can't fault him for seeing the writing on the wall. Only wish the Clintons were less blind than the new Governor of New York, or they'd be able to see it too.

Who won N.M. GOV? Are you staying in the sun too long?