Political Punch

Obama... Obama... Obama... is he the ONLY candidate left in this presidential race??? He sure is getting a LOT of FREE media exposure. How come we haven't heard Hillary clamoring for EQUAL time??? Com'on Hillary, turn UP the heat on this LIGHTWEIGHT and demand your equal time! I want to see more democratic carnage. And as the democrats annihilate each other, John McKennedy is quietly preparing his TRANSITION team. I LOVE IT!

Hard to ignore the elephant in the room. The UCC/Rev. Wright fiasco is resonating with the voting pubic in ways that the mainstream media is reluctant to acknowledge. Watch for the figures in places like PA, MI and FL (assuming a revote) and fairly moderate Southern state like NC. My feeling is Obama is already toast. In the GE, he'd have no chance against McCain in PA, OH, NC, MO or any other so-called battleground states. Given the sensitivity of NY and NJ voters regarding memories of 9/11, Obama is no shoo-in in those Democratic strongholds either. CA will be competitive for the first time in a long time with McCain appealing to Reagan Dems.

appalachian blue i just got to say, I appreciate your way with words. I really do. And, your analysis too.

I agree Asncajun,

Hillary Clinton has the skill we are going to need for us to get through this upcoming depression. Remember all the people who either resigned or were ousted when Bush took office? Clinton has access to these people and can garner them to start immediately repairing government. They are skilled public servants who didn't drink the kool-aid.

We do not need someone vulnerable to unsound plans presented to him and we don't have the luxury of a learning curve.

He will never be able to win a general election, now, in any event. And, the country can't take another Republican president. Especially in this economy.

A good survey question for the pollsters to ask will be: Who will you vote for if Hillary Clinton (Barack Obama) loses the Democratic nomination, Barack Obama (Hillary Clinton) or John McCain? This is a good question for folks in this Comments page, too. What do you think people?! Respond!

I have every confidence in Senator Obama and I know that we can win in November. Senator Clinton can push this all the way to the convention if she must, but I believe Senator Obama will be our nominee and he will beat McCain in November and I will do my part to help.
OBAMA/EDWARDS '08

Obama supports wont vote for Mc Cain. They have NOTHING in common with Mc Cain. Only the FAR LEFT supports Obama now.

Clinton supporters see Mc Cain as an actual candidate worth voting for.

The new truth about Obama and his church for the last 20 years has turned the clinton voters right into Mc Cains arms if they INSIST on promoting Obama anyways.

He is toast.

Obama cant win the general election now. He is damaged goods. His MENTOR for the last 20 years is a racist anti american.

Give it a rest. The clinton voters will NOT vote for obama. Not anymore.

I am a black, 42yo Southern gal (Louisiana), and registered independant who has never been an Obama fan. While I am proud of the fact that a black man can be considered as a viable candidate, I look at the ENTIRE package when deciding who to cast my vote for. Obama reminds me too much of George Bush when he was running for office - lots of rhetoric, lots of calls for change, charisma, and yet nothing to back it up. He's GWB in liberal clothing. I would be afraid to leave our national security in the hands of another president needing on the job training and with so little experience. I am convinced the reason that Nancy Pelosi and the Dem establishment want him is because he can be molded to their will.

I am also very distressed about the video of his pastor. My dad is the same age as his pastor and is not this angry! I also take issue with the fact that he calls any black person who doesn't agree with him 'Uncle Toms'. Yes, racism exists - to deny this fact is to effectively have your head in the sand. As someone who is raising a biracial child I find his comments AS offensive as any I have heard from white supremacists - just on the other side of the fence.

If not, Hillary then this independant voter will be voting for John McCain.

Although, obama has better numbers now. He is feeling the first taste of the republican smear machine since they have their candidate. If he thinks the "Clinton Machine" is bad as the Republican smear machine he is naive. Need I need to remind you that John Kerry had better numbers tahn Bush at this particular time in the campaign.

Once they show that he dodges controversial votes, label him as a free spending liberal, connect him to controversial anti-america rhetoric of his wife and minister and scare people about his inexperience, in december the pundits will be talking about obama being rezkoed(swiftboated).

Neither of these Inexperienced
Lightweights will beat McCain!
He will wipe the floor with either
Obama or Clinton in the debates and
Clean their Clocks in the General
Election! Get Real!

I do not think that Obama can pull this one off. When you run on JUDGEMENT and WORDS MATTER this is a big problem. And any of the Clinton scandals just do not matter to us anymore even FOX NEWS have said this.
And those of us who have voted for Hillary already do not care about taxes either. And his Iraqi speech is pretty much worthless now.
If by chance he does pull this off and gets the nomination I will not vote for him.

FACT: No candidate can win the presidency without independant voters.

FACT: Independant voters are more highly educated and tend to carefully scrutinize candidates.

FACT: Independant voters are usually moderates.

FACT: Male independants outnumber female independants more than two-to-one.

FACT: Independant voters, especially males, do not like Hillary Clinton, because we view her as devisive and polarizing.

FACT: If Hillary Clinton takes the Democratic nomination, John McCain will be the next President of the United States.

It's up to you Democrats. Back a winner or waste your time.

The majority of the people here talking against Obama were not going to vote for him anyways. You can sit here and try and tear him down on 2 incidences. Truth is Hillary and Bill Clinton have more scandals than we know about. That's why the Republicans are eager to run against her. Don't be a fool and subject yourselves to more years of the Bush Administration by voting for McCain. Obama is winning huge. Hillary can not catch up without bending rules. Please do not be fooled.

Out of curiosity I was looking at RCP one on one polls betwee MacCain and potential Democratic nominees Hillary and Obama for New Jersey. In the latest Rasmussen poll for NJ McCain beats Obama by 2% but looses to Hillary by 11%. In the primary Hillary beat Obama by 62% to 36% among White voters. Is Race going to be a factor in November in NJ?

Being a democrat for more then 36 years, if Obama is on the ticket I will go with McCain a choice I don't like but there is no other choice.

For those people who believe Obama never knew of Rev. Wright's hate filled sermons I refer you to a news publication dated in August 2007.

It was a well know fact that Wright was a hateful pastor. So why has it taken Obama so long to come out and denounce Wright - because Obama could no longer hide it from the mainstream media.

Well probably "independent" is a better description. Either way, you can't vote for McCain and still consider yourself a democrat.

Anyone who would vote for McCain cannot call themselves a democrat. If you would vote for McCain you are a moderate.

I do not wish to see this war continue. McCain has guaranteed that it will be business as usual at Wars R Us.

As an "older" female supporting Hillary Clinton, I could easily cross over and vote for McCain. I am a Conservative Democrat so national security is a primary issue for me. I believe Clinton to be strong on that issue whereas Obama is not (go to you tube and type in 52 Obama).
Then there's the question of the abortion issue. I have been listening to Obama supporters call me a moron menopausal woman for months now. They are right about one thing - menopausal. Us "old ladies" don't don't have a vested interest in that issue like a young woman does.
I am pro-choice but would sacrifice that issue for national security. GO HILLARY!

Do you honestly believe Obama is going to beat McCain? When the republicans pull out those videos from his pastor where he say in the pew and this guy served as his life advisor - THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE HIM FOR LUNCH.

I will not vote for him either. I am an independent and have decided to support Hillary. I gave to her campaign for the first time yesterday.

We can not let this man get in - do white people not see what is happening?

Watch the "sermons" preached by this man - watch the State of the Black Union from 3 weeks ago.

Then hopefully you will see the light - otherwise we WILL lose the white house to the republicans.

Its Hillary or Republicans - one or the other - BO has not chance and if he truly wants to unite the party - he needs to get out NOW

I'm not understanding why people are saying that Obama could only win among blacks. This is a distortion by the media. Someone should research the scandals of the Clintons. They make Obama look like a choir boy. He is still the best to beat McCain. That is why they are creating these problems.

I like Obama, I just do. I support him 100% and then some.

What worries me is I am scared for Obama when he becomes President of the United States. Scared for his life. There are too many racist idiots out there that hate him. I had heard that some morons think he is the antichrist, can you imagine the stupidity. Nonetheless, if there are those dumb enough to believe such crap it poses a threat to the greatest man to have ever been elected to office. Maybe they need a law banning all guns before the election. One can never be too safe....

HRC cannot get the nomination without somehow stealing it. PLEASE do the math. Obama, by superior campaigning, picked up as many delegates at the Iowa convention yesterday as HRC did in winning OHIO! She doesn't have a clue or a chance. All she can do is try to drive his chances in November into a ditch and hope for 2012.Does she think Obama supporters will ever forgive her for this???

Most Recent Rasmussen Poll has McCain beating Obama and Clinton by 5% and 4% respectively. Additionally, Julia Baird of Newsweek is reporting that there is a widening divide among supporters:

“According to exit polling in the Texas primary, 91 percent of Clinton supporters said they would be dissatisfied with Obama as the nominee; 87 percent of Obama fans said they would be dissatisfied with Clinton. Nationally, a quarter of those who back Clinton say they'd vote for John McCain if Obama won the nomination (while just 10 percent of Obama supporters would do the same if he lost).”

Hillary should definitely be the nominee. Obama association with Farrakan and his pastor who disparages and slams our country and Obama and his wife's unpatriotic actions, no saluting our flag, no flag lapel pin, not being proud of our country till now, ties to Rezko, who is a crook, I don't call that change. The Republicans can't wait to run against Obama in the primary. Wake up Democrats!

Now Obama needs to recognize that he is a Politician like the others. That he lies and that he compromises with crooks to get support or to buy his house. He needs to recognize that when is not convenient for him he forgets his firends or denies his spiritual leader. Obama does not stand to defend anything. Where are his convictions? Is his hope for change the same as Rev. Wright who is actually the author of Obama's theme. Hope for Change is not an Obama's original either he got it from Wright. Do both refer to the same kind of change?

I am an independent. I am voting for Hillary. If Hillary doesn't win, I will vote for McCain.

I cannot vote for someone when their spiritual foundation is based on hate and victimhood.

Mr Denhof...

ever been to a republican party "mixer"

its much much worse than this when it comes to back room "fixers"

party politics runs the game ...

and its not for mere conjecture or without a basis in historical realities

i.e. mcgovern sound familiar dude?

so..perhaps...its not just because the clintons have weight among the supers

but now she is truly the powerful populist candidate among the working class and mainly white rural and ex urban voter of this nation in the midwest and she is combining this with the true signficant statistical victories in california and new jersey

and then w/ the mainly rural voters of tennessee and arkansas and oklahoma and missouri

so...while the super delegates will probably make the final call here

its not ALL about "insider politices"

if she lost OHio or simply even broke even among the demographic groupings here in Ohio alone

she would have been forced OUT OF THE RACE BY THESE VERY SAME INDIVIDUAL WHOM YOU ARE IMPLYING ARE "FIXING THE RACE OUTCOME FOR HER

its a non argument...if you were on the ground in ohio...

and truly...every one inside the major democratic party who are not simply on some kool aide trip with some idealistic but failing candidacy

and/or some republican /independent spoiler schema in play

understand exactly what happened here in Ohio

the heart of all...literally

and texas rural vote coupled with the latino vote was super serious icing on that cake

Hillary is arguing that the superdelegates should decide on who should be the nominee, regardless of which candidate accumulates the most delegates.

Do people realize that her "overall advantage among superdelegates has come from current and former party officials, reflecting the ties she and her husband have built over the years." (New York Times).

So she apparently thinks it is fair for her friends and associates to choose the nominee. A person who would argue this way is very hard to imagine as president. It is troubling.

as to colo idea about voter increase from primary to now and then projections

Ohio is simply off the map

i did some of this very kind of work for clinton hq and it stunned even us

it represents a true demographic shift
towards her

not just against obama

but for her period...and it was seriously signficant in Ohio...pa projects even better across the board

....this is why kennedy went back to talking about border patrols, sherrod borwn is talking about 'ending the war'

and john kerry and heintz seem to have taken a sudden european 'policy' vacation abroad

and jay rockafeller is probably trying to figure out how to unendorse his choice for president....with a 3 to 1 lead for hillary in his own state

and increasing....

All three candidates are politicians. They all got something they want to hide. BUt with Hillary in the spotlight for so many years, you know all her dirt. You know her bad and her good. Same with McCain. BUt with Obama, no one knows him and unfortunately, his negatives have been brushed aside in this year long love fest. By the time more and more dirt comes out, it will be too late.

Better to choose the better known evil than an unknown evil.

At least you know what she is capable of doing for this country judging by what she's done for this country already.

With Obama, you'd just be taking that leap of faith and "hoping" he'll do something great to our country.

again dont' leave out for Hillary

pa...which is conservative as well as its blue collar and white outside of phila...

....

and hillary takes on WVA and does pretty well in missouri...as well

i think the latinos will NOT go for mccain per se...in western and texas votebecause she is known to the major latino political leaders and now is even more well known to the younger latinos

If you assume that core Democratic states stay blue....I think Hillary gives us a better shot at Arkansas, Ohio, Florida, Michigan, New Mexico, and Texas.

I think if Obama is the nominee we may pick up some Southern traction maybe South Carolina and Louisiana.

There is nothing silly about the Clinton strategy. It seems very viable to me.

Someone should really analyse the numbers of previous votes. For instance take the total number of Democratic voters in the primary states and see what the increase is. Then project voter turnout for an election. As long as voters don't switch to McCain in droves we will take back the Whitehouse.

now irma knows what side of the aisle she lives on

and its clear...the clintons are NOT against the AA or the youth for that matter and its simply silly to suggest they would be

they have critical black leaders in their campaign right now...and they were very good to the AA in the 90's

so lets get real here...

its not about hating obama or trying to make him look poor or say mean things

campaigns are campaigns and its a ruthless process to get to the nomination

and no one campaign has the edge on what has been inferred...

and bill is broken hearted if you would truly understand what he is about

when it came to losing the urban vote in south carolina ...not because of he's so political

but because he invested ALOT in the AA over his time in public life

and its not some false notion he cares for the inner city culture

and cares about civil rights...they do very very much

its just a reality check right now baby girl

and its BIG TIME major baseball here
and we need to come together
right now

"over me"

as john lennon would sing

"he's got MOJO football"
he's got Hair down below his knees..."

....come together, right now

and we can win this thing

and hilary will not hurt any major constituency of this party

and everyone in the know..knows it

Vanessa, Obama moblized the young and AA's to vote for him. If Hillary becomes the nominee, then perhaps we will lose the young vote. However, we will not lose a big chunk of the AA vote, they will vote for the nominee because they know. They know Hillary and Bill and even if there were some tense times in this campaign, they know the Clintons are on their side. The rest is the meat and potatoes of the Democratic party, the blue collar workers. It's their party, it's the party we belong to and they are for Hillary because Barack is a risk and we must win due to the economic threats. It's not that a lot of people hate him, they want him out because the rist is too great.

and as for nancy pelosi

she needs to put her womanly jealousy away

realize she allowed this nation to suffer thru two more years of hell under a neo emperor in residence at the 1600 pa avenue

and simply not shove her hubby's 50 million dollar S F real estate mogul money's opinions down our working white folks in the midwest's mouth when she claims to 'lead this party'

...what a shame...for the nation's first woman speaker

she jumped into bed w/ bush before we could even get out of bed the day after we partied over the victory of this republican nightmare...

you know what? it's no longer important who has more delegates etc. what's important is, will hillary or barack have the better chance of picking up those swing voters in those swing states? this is not a racist comment but based upon our ridiculous winner-take-all electoral crap, none of the dems black or white in the southern states matter at all. they might as well not even vote - those states will go republican as they always do. obama cannot change that fact. this race will come down to ohio, florida, pennsylvania, maybe one or two other. now, have you seen the 'god d*mn america' clip? picture it in your mind going over and over and over throughout the months of july (esp the fourth of july? oh great!), august, september, october and into election day in november. the average voter in america is a middle-aged white person. do you think that the average voter will vote for barack obama this year? no. do you think that the average voter in the swing state will vote for hillary clinton this year? at worst, maybe. at best, why the hell not, give her a shot, john mccain is more of the same. now, who has the better chance in november 2008 of grabbing the white house back from the republicans, obama or clinton? be honest with yourself and i think you'll know the answer. plus - he's young! he'll be able to distance himself from this and be an even stronger and more wise and experienced candidate 4 or 8 years from now. what think?

in a word

clinton beats mccain in a fairly close but clear victory

iraq has sickened everyone

'dem can't beat mccain on foreign trade'?

what have you been smoken dude?

what foreign trade...come to the midwest and say that

and then ask the voters here
if they will care if some gay guy gets to marry his dream lover like the voters seemed to care so much about in 04 w/ karl rover at the controls

i don't think so

and by the way..what's the debt to export ration under these 8 year of republican rule

...ask Bear Sterns....

if you think McCain has the inside track on that

and this is written from southern ohio dude...

but i digress

hilary ought to be able to win Ohio w/ Strickland

and Pa w/ phila's mayor and Rendell

and the pittsburgh mayor's recent endorsement as well

in the fall

so....i think she's very very competitive in the fall

and you're so right...

the "god damn america" statement

has ended the true independent/republican voter swing
once and for all

but as i have indicated

it already ended..even before this
Wright Stuff

because of the true MR. Right Stuff

Astranaut and former Ohio Senator Glenn's backing of his old
friend and supporter

Hillary the one remaining hope for the dems this fall

and she will kick McCain's ass on the economy alone...

[or bill will do it for her]

I'm not a democrat, republican or independent, but as a voter, I will not vote for Obama no matter what now. Frankly he should step down as he and his past have made it only worse.I've learned enough to make my choice for Hillary even though she's not my favorite person. I know what I'm getting with her and don't care about the personal stuff because with the economy in this shape, I know she and Bill will restore America to surpluses, and that's all that counts.

All these comments by people like Vanessa who must not have anything thing better to do. Why talk about trivial stuff, who cares? Everyone, unless you're new to the game like the teenaged Obama cult worshipers, knows that it's the 4 swing states taht matter-PA,OH,FL,MI-Who ever wins 3 of 4 will win the presidency and that's the end of it. They chose Hillary for a reason, and I agree with them, and I'll bet the superdels will to.

chrissandiego, you are so right about how obama winning the nomination then going down in flames in the general election would have the benefit of him being totally done for, as opposed to having the chance to try to sell his crap again in 4 or 8 years. i still hope he doesn't get the nomination, and believe he won't. but if he does, then president mccain can serve four years, obama will be history and have to try very hard to hang onto his senate seat, and we will move on. one thing for sure is that obama won't win the general. vanessa and all the deluded ones who just keep posting the same stuff over and over actually seem to believe that blue collar people will vote for obama, despite the wright thing, that hillary supporters will vote for obama, despite the dirty tricks, playing of the race card and getting hillary blamed for it, and media-in-the-pocket reasons for obama's getting this far, and all the rest of his nonsense. they are so wrong on all counts. polls already show this, and they were taken before the wright thing became public.

So far, I don't McCain can be beaten by Dems yet... The chance for Dems to win W.H. in Nov only 50/50 or less than..

Dems can't beat McCain on National security or foriegn policies or even international trade.. It is the fact...

Dems can only use the recession of economy as their weapon to shoot down Rep... However, who will be the best candidate to lead country on this?

If Obama is nominee, Rep will crash him on experience even on economy since he has been potrayed as in-experienced on all...

If the advantage of Ohama is to bring our more vores for Dems... Those votes are not relaible and will change any time...(it has been approved in Dems primary too: more late deciders went to Hillary)...

It is hard for Obama to re-claim himself on judgment and integrity because all the coming issues just indicated he is the same as others..."true old politican backing by the same old politicans"...

Too bad...

As a Pennsylvanian, I was not sure if I would get a chance to cast my vote. I have been watching both democrats closely. And now am happy that I have had time to see Obama's true colors start to emerge. He is a risk to this country. There is no way that I could ever vote for that man. He just keeps telling lies to cover up his actions. I feel bad for the voters that supported him, who are sorry they did. He is not trustworthy... if Wright was his mentor, and Obama stood by Wright for 20 years, I don't think we should take the risk of him running the presidency. I don't want to find out that he is a racist after it's too late. Like it or not, we know what Hillary is all about.

As of right now Obama has the supporter that matter, (she hasn't gone public but its fairly obvious)Nancy Pelosi.

The highest ranking Democrat in office right now.

Voters will have their voices heard. Just don't be surprised when it Obama as the nominee.

you may be right in stating, if obama is the nominee...he may have strickland and rendell

of course

but they will not have the assurance of the demographic voters that put them in office

and frankly..they themselves will be looking over their shoulder at that race...

b/c?
why?

84 out of 88 counties went lopsidely
AGAINST OBAMA in this same election year here

and it promises to be very very similar in the pa primary also

and in wva...obama is DOWN 3 to 1` right now...

and so...yes in name these supers would have to support him...

but they are true serious politicians
and vanessa

before they allow the national convention to nominate a candidate

don't you think

their voices will be heard..very very loudly and powerfully and considerably higher

than say the governor of colorado or wyoming or a delegate from maryland or virginia for that matter?

i mean...the power that strickland and tubb jones have RIGHT NOW

inside the present matrix of this national seroius dem party debate

is OVERWHELMING

THEY TOOK A SERIOUS SERIOUS RISK IN JUST PUTTING UP W the onslaught of media, pundits and serious party insiders who were ALL READY TO CROWN OBAMA

dont you remember the newsweek story

"hillary get out now!"

...and yet strickland hung in there..at first very very trepidatiously and very almost uncertain

but by election day...

he was as proud as any super delegate to be standing next to a real serious presidential contender

and again...

it was the 84 out of 88 mainly counties of ohio who put him in that favored status

and this was WITH THE NAFTA ISSUE PERCULATING AGAINST AT LEAST ON THE GROUND AGAINST CLINTON...

....and yet she won even among the white hard core blue collar votes hands down readily

i know...becasue i come from a rust belt city..in southern ohio

it was a complete route here and she simply outcampaigned obama personally in such regions..all on her own

not her campaign spokesperson, not her staff...no one ...save...her

she brought about her own victory here in ohio

the same way she will do so in the fall

and its by campaigning on the stump in a major way...
speaking to lower middle class and working poor [mainly white] lower class voters about what really matters to them

outside of the urban issues...

and this is what "spoke" so well and caused her campaign to simply do a "fly over" his much more well spent, well organized and super delegate rich effort
in a very very critical swing state

where he was drawing major college crowds and major urban crowds

who in the end..did not matter very much to
a real serious political fight

....

and this is why these super delegates support RIGHT NOW are critical to who will obtain the nomination

they themselves are politicians in their home states first

and they will have a story to tell

the likes of KERRY AND KENNEDY AND ALL others who have ventured outside of the main stream working class issues of middle america

its dangerous to believe in a person who sells hope only

and doesn't even begin to match his delegate count

with the real powerful "ground game" results...

in Ohio and soon to be found in PA
and in wva..and indiana

where the gov supports clinton by the way of course...also...

as does the gov in michigan

If Sen. Obama is on the ticket, I'm voting Republican. You can put John Edwards, Obama's minister, or even Obama's chickens on the ticket with him and I'm not buying it. I'm from North Carolina, and Sen. Edwards didn't do anything for us here: I don't expect a whole lot more from him as vice president. As a supporter of Sen. Clinton, let me assure you that Edwards is hardly the asset for which you take him. Nor does one have to be a feminist to support Sen. Clinton, one only needs to lay off the Kool Aid for a bit.

Not necessarily,

North Carolina is coming up (big state). Obama can get the votes and delegates back that he may possibly lose from Penn.

Polls indicate both Obama and Hillary would beat McCain in Penn.

If Obama can't win Penn state.., then his president dream will be dimishing...

He has to win or lose at at very close margin... Otherwise, he just proves again and again: he just can't win big blue states in his own primary... Hillary and his political backers will have much stronger case against his candidancy..

if he can't win Penn.. The chain reaction is he will lose Michagin and Florida re-vote...

In the end, Obama may lead a narrow delegate count into Convention but lose popular vote... The MO is no longer with Obama...

This likely will happen if he can't win Penn...

Only the big states matter, and the rest of the Country be Damned, is that what the Democrat National Commmitee thinks? Is that why all the good paying jobs in America allways wind up in the big states, like Texas, California, Florida, and Ohio? I think Democrats across this Country all contribute to this race, not just the big states but even the smallest, and you would have me beleave that our voice is of no value, no I dont think that is the message that the DNC want to define their candidate. To do so would be Totalitorian, Dictatorial,and we just aint having non of that here, no more.
Oboma won more States, more pledged Deligates, more crossover votes, more indipendant votes, now Hillary wants to steal the election by seating Florida, Ohio, on the argument that she has more Popular votes? Nah, it ain't happening. it ain't right. Had the Democrats used the Republicans stratagy, winner take all, Oboma would clearly win, Are you adking for a three party race?

The same as Texas. Even though Hillary won Texas, Obama recieved the most delegates.

The delegates are split due to areas with heavy population and democrats who voted the most in previos election.

Cities like Dallas, Austin, and Houston went to Obama. Those cities have much more delegates then the cities/counties Hillary won.

It's the same as Ohio. The places Obama won had a heavier population and voters who voted in previous election.

The rules are the rules.

Thats why I say Obama should def chose Edwards as VP. The blu collar votes loved Edwards. They were his base.

Can Hillary gain Obama based without Obama???

NO.

And I'm pretty sure Obama would not take an offer as VP.

i say that it's the day after i saw obama's spiritual advisor's video in which he repeatedly says 'god d*mn america' and that the clip will be shown over and over and over again for months if obama is the democrat's nominee and he will never get the votes of the folks he needs to put him over the top in the swing states. i'm a liberal and i'm sickened by it and by the fact that now he's lying when clearly anybody who spends time with their 'mentor' and 'spiritual advisor' knows the person's socio-political opinions. what, they never talked about anything but the bible itself? he cannot beat mccain at this point and the polls in the next few days and weeks ahead will demonstrate that. but you know what? fine. let him have the nomination and lose. maybe he deserves that fate more than being saved from it and being allowed the chance to run again in 4 or 8 years.

the delegate count in Ohio for instance is a false read...and it will end in disaster if it becomes the base line for nominating the presidential candidate

and here's why

again..hilary won 84 counties in Ohio

and she won them by over 60% margins across the southern and much of the intensive blue collar youngstown vote

an area by the way that obama's campaign heavily targeted

and again...even his campaign thought they would be competitive on such key swing areas...

but they failed and failed to capture even 40$ of the vote in such regions

..in a heavily campaigned, head on money driven contest by Obama he had ground game w/ 40 000 vols, air, radio and other ads outnumbering hilary 4 to 1

...and yet...and yet...

he picked up almost equal number of delegates in OHio

and i say..this while the rules of the game at present

is a SERIOUSLY misleading indicator of the way to the white house

because...that means..at least 1.4 million voters choice was
SERIOUSLY diluted by the rules of the dem party

i'm not debating the rules...all parties agreed ...

but if you are interested in winning the white house...and this is the prize

the demographics coming out of OHIO

put an end to the idea of any
"momentuem" among blue collar voters and RAY GUN [rr] catholics for him...

it was a complete disaster for OBAMA on this front

he is keeping a brave front and face

but EVERYONE EVEN KENNEDY AND KERRY SAW THE RESULTS AND SO DID ROCKAFELLER

AND SO DID CNN AND OBERMAN

AND EVERYONE"S JAW JUST WENT SLACK...

this is the critical demographic

in real serious big states

obama is NOT WINNING ANYMORE
AND HE WON"T WIN IN TEH FALL AND IF NOT

ITS ANOTHER REPUBLICAN VICTORY AND WE SIMPLY CAN NOT TOLERATE THIS

WHY IS THIS HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

the students and the bright ones among us and you yourselve vanessa are to be praised for being so interested, and son committed..i don't fault this

and i know he's brought a lot of people to the table..and that's all good

but please..please take it from someone who's been in this game and who has some wisdom

this is MAJOR LEAGUES GIRLS AND BOYS

and you don't send in an apprentice to
fix your water main break do you?

you send in the real deal and the real deal are those who play in the serious ball games

and Ohio Texas, California and New Jersey and Florida and wva soon and kentucky to another degree

are very very serious critical big players

and the demographics just simply
point to one candidate and one ONLY

and this is THE FACTS OF LIFE IN THE US AT PRESENT

it simply does NOT favor OBAMA AND NO ONE IS SAYING RACE ALONE OR ANY OTHER THING IS A FACTOR

its JUST THE REALITY OF AMERICAN MAJOR PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS

LOOK EVERYONE WAS WAITING TO SEE OF THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY FOR OHIO AND TEXAS WERE GOING TO BE ACCURATE...

and they simply were NOT

by a very long shot

why do we consider pa's polls now differently?

for one or two reasons

i can spell it for you

OHIO
TEXAS

the demographics in PA ARE EVEN MORE SERIOUS FOR CLINTON THAN THEY WERE IN OHIO

and this is why the tracking polls are so clear for pa right now

NOT TOO MENTION>>>

EVEN THE PHILA MAYOR IS FOR CLINTON AND RENDELL AS YOU KNOW IS FROM PHILA

and that's obama's ONLY HOPE THERE...

its not a pretty picture vanessa

and i imagine you're as bright and sharp and as probably good looking as
you're name implies

but...lets face it...

many many smart , politically savy african american and powerfully vibrant progressive political observers understand

hilary is right now...delegate counts as false read as they can be and WERE AND ARE Coming out of OHIO

...the odds on super candidate and has THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL MOMENTUEM

simply put...even with the seroiusly diluted...and i mean diluted voter delegate count

OHIO CHANGED EVERYTHING AND FRANKLY I'M NOT SAYING THIS BECAUSE I'M SO FOND OF EVERYTHING IN THIS STATE at all

...i'm not

but its just serious serious major league baseball...ok?

the proof is in the demographics and i just knew the major elite progressives of the national party prior to the OHio voter

were missing "on the ground" what we in Ohio were sensing

even despite the so called "shift in white demographics" coming from virginia and maryland and even wisconsin

those states dont EVEN BEGIN TO COMPARE WITH CAMPAIGNS RUN IN THIS HUGE STATE AND EVERYONE IN THE SERIOUS BIG GAME HUNT KNOWS THE SCORE

There seems to be alot about nothing being written here. I have read about swing states--Colorado, Wisconsin, and Iowa. Wake up--the swing states are, and have been, Ohio, Florida, Arkansas and Tennessee. Is McCain going to win South Caolina? (Yes). Is Obama going to win Massachusets? (Yes). But, the question is who will win three of Ohio, Florida, Arkansas and Tennessee? Clinton already has. The Democatic Party (1982) created the super delegates so that the Party could nominate a strong contender. Clinton has shown that she is a very stong contender--particularly where it matters most. She, and she alone, can win in November.

It is time for Democrats to put an end to this nonsense. Democrats are heading for a disaster if they don't put stop this toxic campaign. It is a testament to the fact that there is little difference between the policy stances of Obama and Clinton that the campaign has descended into recriminations on what their respective supporters have said, with overtones of racism and allegations of corruption where there is zero evidence that either candidate is really bigoted or ethically challenged.

More troubling is that the battle appears headed to a contentious convention. Any Democrat old enough to remember 1968 or 1972 knows this leads to nothing but a Republican victory in November. If things go as expected, Clinton will win Pennsylvania, while Obama will win virtually everywhere else. Neither will have enough pledged delegates to wrap it up and will turn to super delegates. Obama will claim that the most pledged delegates and most popular votes entitles him to the nomination, while Clinton claims winning big states entitles her to the nod. Whoever loses will go away angry. If Obama wins, feminists and probably the Michigan and Florida Democrats will feel they were robbed. If Clinton wins, with even more justification, Obama supporters will believe a nomination he won with the voters was taken away by party insiders. All the young people motivated by his campaign will turn away from the system and will go back to a cynical view of the whole process. African-Americans will feel this confirms those who claim this country will never accept them as full citizens if an appealing candidate like Obama is denied the nomination based on such a negative campaign run by Clinton and an insider intervention.

The end result: President McCain.

There is a way out of this, one that neither Democratic candidate is going to like. Sen. Clinton is right that a ticket that includes both candidates is what is needed. She is wrong on the order; it has to be Obama as Presidential candidate and Clinton as Vice-President. No matter how Pennsylvania goes, Obama is going to have the most delegates and most popular vote. The math is inescapable.

Obviously, Clinton and her supporters won't be happy with this. But she should realize that she is not going to be elected President this year. If she gets the nomination it will be a Pyrrhic victory. The bitterness that would come from the party insiders overturning the vote of a majority of the pledged delegates and the popular vote won't be overcome by November. A Clinton nomination would be doomed. On the other hand, if the joint ticket wins, in eight years she will still be considerably younger than McCain is now and the odds on favorite to succeed Obama.

Obama will not be that happy either. It would mean taking on his bitterest rival as a running mate after a nasty campaign. And if Clinton is the V.P. nominee, it will not be the normal subservient roll. He would have to allow her great input on the campaign and the platform. For instance, he would need to pick up a good portion of the Clinton health plan. He would also have to integrate the Clinton machine, including Bill Clinton, into his campaign.

The problem is, this needs to be done before the Pennsylvania primary. If Clinton wins Pennsylvania, the urge to take it all the way to the convention will be overwhelming. If Obama pulls out an upset, the race is over and Obama won't need Clinton.

Parties leaders need to intervene with both candidates, now to end this. Otherwise, get ready for another four or eight years of Republican bumbling.

Those same superdelegates will back Obama up when he's the nominee. So whats your point???

So polls indicate Clinton leading in Penn. Should I say their wrong and Obama will win by 20???

In New Ham, Hillary won, HOWEVER, Obama recieved the most delegate. I wouldn't entirely count that as a victory.

Bush did lose the popular vote and win the presidency.

what poll has mccain winning ohio because Zogby USA today had hilary LOSING BOTH CALIFORNIA Ohio and Texas

not too mention new hampshire by sighficant margins

so please dont think ohio will go to mccain if hillary is choice

Gov. Ted Strickland is loved by rirual ohio & he beat the republican candidate by 70 % just last election... & he's Hilary's true powerful weapon here along w steph tubb jones in cleveland...

and that makes Ohio extremely competitive IF Hilary wins nomination...only...

It would be interesting to see new polls after this weekend...

Did you NOT read my post. Polls show Obama AND Hillary losing to McCain in Ohio. Both Obama and Hillary beating McCain in Penn. Michigen will revote and this time Obama will win because of the young voters (college students) and large African American population.

Listen its okay that your "inevitable" nominee may not be the candidate but I think its time that you grasp the idea and lets all become Obamanites.

Its so sad because even Nancy Pelosi is for Obama. She said herself, whomever is winning in the delegate count by June will get the nomination.

WE ALL KNOW CLINTON CAN'T OVER TAKE OBAMA LEAD.

ATTENTION Delegates/Super-Delegates; Hillary has made a deal with the Devil by Praising McCain on National T.V. and should be BOOTED from the Democratic Party

Young voters have never shown up because we've never had a reason to SHOW UP. I will laugh in mockery when this news die down and the media starts pressuring Hillary to release her earmark (which she refused to today after Obama released his), her tax return, and her first lady documents.

Obama may not win those particular state but he can win the SWING STATES, colorado , wisconsin, iowa for expample

Young voters have historicly never shown up in November after being active in the primaries, but that's not even important because no republican, nor independent will ever vote for Obama now. So Obama supporters get over it and stop justifying and arguing when it's all over for Obama. I just read another poll which said Obama's 8 point lead has already melted away due to Wright's remarks-and that's just in 2 days.Wait till the news really spreads and the new Rezko revelations is out fully. This is before the 527s/501s or republicans ever even make 1 ad/clip, so say good bye Obama. Should have accepted the VP position instead of playing charade. The cult leader has finally fallen from the grace of the media. "Judgement"-what a joke.

I'm curious if the news media is looking at how many democrats have been turned off by the liberal wing's support of Obama. The assumption that all democrats will fall in line with the masses supporting Obama is significantly overrated. Many non-Obama supporting democrats are disgusted with all the "old school" attacks on the Clinton's and on us for supporting Hillary. I say let the nasty Obama supporters deal with the nasty republican's and I'll just "boycott" any political media coverage in the next seven months. Enough is enough.

tiffany,

Apparently you and your '20 family and friends' did not read the several articles out there that stated it was the CLINTON campaign who sent out the 'Muslim smear email' which started the race issue - it was the Clinton campaign who played the race card LONG before Obama rose in the number of states won! The email was traced back to the Clinton campaign...

Please, for your own sake, do some research!

Obama is the only hope we have for improvement in the status quo.

How about Joe Biden for Obama's VP choice.