The Do-Over Dilemma

Hey, Obama is more than welcome to pay for it, get his supporters to pay, whatever. He hasn't even offered to help raise the funds at all. Can't blame Hill supporters for ponying up the money as soon as they were asked.
Let him put his money where his mouth is.

The voters in FL and MI need to file a class action lawsuit against the DNC. No one, including King Howard Dean has the right to deny another person their constitutional right to vote. This is not about Hillary or Obama. It is about the fact that we fought a Revolutionary War because of taxation without representation and it is the right of the voters in these two states to have their votes counted. And will someone please get rid of Howard Dean and set up some sort of National Primary day before 2012 so we don't have to go through another election like this one. The Republican administration in FL set the dates and have been laughing at the idiot Dean ever since. And he is an Obama supporter, that is why he won't give the DNC money for the revote.

How in the world do you win a contest when you're the only one in the contest. First of all, Hillary dissed Michigan and Florida by saying that neither of them mattered when she thought that she could win without them. When she started falling behind, all of a sudden she wanted them to count. Hillary, Barack, and Edwards each signed a statement agreeing to the sanctions against Michigan and Florida, which Hillary said she did not care about anyway. The only fair thing to do now is to either abide by the sanctions or split the votes down the middle. I don't even know why Hillary and all her supportors are trying to pretend that she really won those states. They are insulting the intelligence of every voting American. She couldn't care less if this leads to the demise of the democratic party, which it probably will. I for one am a Democrat who will switch parties if Hillary steals the nomination!

The way that Hillary Clinton is acting is disgusting, and a bad reflection on all women. Where is her since of integrity? I mean tell the truth...and the absolute truth is that they ALL SIGNED THE DOCUMENT SAYING THAT FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN WOULD NOT COUNT!!!! and for those states to count now is totally unfair to Senator Obama and Edwards...perhaps Edwards would have won a state and stayed in the race. Besides this Hillary's prior criminal allegations and current trial proceedings should even allow her the oppurtunity to run for president. She is a fraud and is determined to split up the democratic party...and she even had the nerve to ask that man to be "her" vice president, when she is in second place...her nuts are too big for me, I'd never elect her she acts like a schizophrenic nut-case.

Obama is "CHICKEN". He knows he would lose in a primary to HRC in the two states.

Hillary should not allow Obama to be the final arbiter on this revote issue. She won both states.

Simply because the Liberals are running the show now does not mean that they could run over her. Both the MSM and the talking heads have been trying to bury her but she keeps proving that she is tough and the people are on her side. That is why she would win this nomination.

There is more bombshell to come from Tony Rezko, the other half of Obama. Republicans will keep the more damaging videos till the general election.

How in the world do you win a contest when you're the only one in the contest. First of all, Hillary dissed Michigan and Florida by saying that neither of them mattered when she thought that she could win without them. When she started falling behind, all of a sudden she wanted them to count. Hillary, Barack, and Edwards each signed a statement agreeing to the sanctions against Michigan and Florida, which Hillary said she did not care about anyway. The only fair thing to do now is to either abide by the sanctions or split the votes down the middle. I don't even know why Hillary and all her supportors are trying to pretend that she really won those states. They are insulting the intelligence of every voting American. She couldn't care less if this leads to the demise of the democratic party, which it probably will. I for one am a Democrat who will switch parties if Hillary steals the nomination!

Looks like the Political map will look the same in November as it did in 2004. NO CHANGES. So much for the campaign rhetoric of the last 4 months.

congratulations, president mccain.

There can be no arbitrary spliting of delegates. these delegates have been duely elected.

They can be sanctioned
Another vote can be done which they can run in again.
The sanction can be modified (ie half a vote)

Or the sanction can be lifted.

There are no other options.

NO one can arbitrarily decide to assign delegates to any candidate.

It's not possible.

The two states will now appeal to the DNC rules and bylaws committee for their sanctions to be lifted.

If that doesn't work, a motion will be brought to the floor of the convention.

There are no other options.

Yu can't just make up delegate counts for states. Its absurd.

One person, one vote. That's democracy and the people of Michigan and Florida deserve their chance even if party official messed up. But what Senator leaves out in her speeches is alot. The people who are financing the proposed revote in Michigan are all Clinton supporters - and most of them are very, very, very, rich powerful people. Here are some their names: Corzine, Peter Angelos, Bernard Schwartz, Haim Saban, Fred Eychaner. Google them and find out who they are. Many of these people have supported the Clintons for years - with huge donations. Some are the biggest supporters of Hillary's current campaign.

Michigan and Florida deserve a revote - but they do not deserve to be bought out by the Clinton campaign.

There is no reason on earth that an opposing campaign should agree to a re-vote financed by those people. The DNC and the party leadership is responsible for this mess and it may cost them the election in November.

To all the Sen. Clinton supporters who preface their responses with 'if' -

'if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their butts everytime they hopped'

the morale of the story is 'be careful how you use the word 'if' .....

Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and their minions who blame the Clintons for the lost of control of the House and Senate do NOT want Clinton on the Dem ticket.

Keeping Florida out will clinch the win for Obama.

Clinton should join with Hagel, who recently suggested that the country should start a new political party or run as Independent.

Let the Dems keep their bleeding heart Liberals and Obamatrons.

Just posted at USA TODAY:

"Mich. re-vote plan dies in state Senate"

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBAMA 08

I HOPE PEOPLE OF REST OF THE STATES GOING TO PRIMARIES, WAKE UP. and stop this wolf in sheep's clothing.
otherwise i am sure we will have republican president for next 4 years.

NOBAMA ' 08

Let's say the re-vote doesn't happen and I think many people here recognize that MI and FL are key players in the general election. They will need to be seated one way or another or we risk losing the support of these important swing states this November.

What do folks here think about a 51/49 split (Clinton/Obama)?

The difference in delegate count would be almost negligible, it would allow Obama to take the high road in acknowledging that Clinton arguably won the popular vote in both states, Clinton (and the democratic party) should be relieved that MI and FL have representation at the convention and not a penny more would be spent on the issue.

Anyone up to engage in some friendly dialogue?

There will be no caucus in Mi and FL.

The states dont want it. You can't over ride an election with a caucus and Clinton will not and should not ever agree to something so undemocratic and biased towards Obama.

Fl and MI wont allow it anyways. Caucuses are dumb and undemocratic. They shouldn't count for anything.

Cliton always said she would ask for the delegations to be seated and Mr. Obama chose for his own personal political reasons to remove his name from the ballot.

The only thing soviet would be for a central committee to completely over ride a democratic election and arbitrarily award delegates to the candidaye of their choosing. That would be soviet.

The DNC always intended to seat the delegations with a vote at convention.

The only question now is whether or not Obama will ask his delegates to not seat Fland MI and whether or not the super delegates are foolish enough to agree with him. Nut I dont think they are. Nor do I think Obama will ask for them not to be seated.

He is bluffing. Playing poker. He will try to convince people she can't, in an attempt to maintian a big enough delegate lead so that it won't matter.

I think he is going to lose that bet.

"Really bad move by Obama blocking the re-vote when Clinton and DNC approved.

Why is his campaign so against a re-vote?
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It's not about being against the re-vote, it's about legal issues. I believe it shouldn't be his concern whether it's legal or not. Let the clintons suffer the fallout if laws are being broken. They havent worried about following laws/rules before, shouldnt have to worry about them now.

In a nutshell: He should agree to the revote, she should stop making it seem like he's doing something wrong. Michigan done, learn to follow the rules, Florida pay up for the primary, learn to follow the rules. Superdelegates pick a candidate NOW, learn to be leaders. Then we can move forward. Call it a wrap!

Dog

What Westie and I were getting at is that the Popular Vote is more important than these unelected Party Bosses.

The People in FL and MI should be allowed to caucus and their voices added to the din.

If their leaders screw that up to, THE PEOPLE should rise up and throw the Bums out.

The People of FL have been particularly let down by their leaders. And some these leaders are the same Party Insiders who are responsible for screwing things up.

Obama is betting he can go to convention with a large enough margin that seating MI and FL won't matter.

That would be somewhere around 150 delegates, including supers.

If he cant pull this off, and the poll numbers show that he can't. He has lost the nomination because the delegates will be seated as is and they will vote for the candidate that wnated them there.

My bet is that even obama wont ask for them not to be seated. He can't. Its political suicide.

He has decided to try to spin this to people like JAke, who will believe him that HIllary somehow cant win now.

CAn he convince the voters of Penn, WV, IN, Kentucky, Peurto Rico and NC etc. that she has lost.

Every other time he has tried this it hasnt worked. And he has tried it several times including right after IOWA.

He's trying to spin the math is impossible story again. It wont work.

I believe that this move has just lost the nomination for Obama.

I totally disagree with Jake and think that his blocking the revote in FL and MI has just won Hillary CLinton the democratic party nomination at convention.