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The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds

March 26, 2008 9:15 AM

Some ugly national numbers for Democrats, from Gallup that replicate those Pennsylvania numbers from a few days ago.

Clinton supporters who would vote for McCain over Obama = 28%

Obama supporters who would vote for McCain over Clinton = 19%

“The data suggest that the continuing and sometimes fractious Democratic nomination fight could have a negative impact for the Democratic Party in next November's election," says the Gallup analysis. "A not insignificant percentage of both Obama and Clinton supporters currently say they would vote for McCain if he ends up running against the candidate they do not support.”

Grim.

- jpt

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Taylor, First of all, a media study done in February showed exactly the opposite (76% of coverage was negative toward Obama). I'm sorry - I can't cite the source. But I can support this: there are two main media watchdogs - one is Media Matters and the other is the Center for American Progress. In August, 2007, Hillary claimed at Yearly Kos that she had helped start those organizations. To quote: "institutions that I helped to start and support like Media Matters and Center for American Progress." So the watchdogs are hardly watchdogs. Media Matters is so outrageously biased that they don't even pretend - they do not cover stories where the press reports Hillary's distortions, ever, and they have an entire page devoted to the destruction of an American journalist. They are essentially a PAC, operating as a 501 (c). Their harassment of media figures who they don't like is Fox-like, and borders on violation of free speech.

Posted by: Mara | Mar 26, 2008 5:35:59 PM

I will never ever vote for Barack Obama the racist.

McCain gets my vote as well as my whole family's vote.

Hillary can run again in 4 years if she does not get the nomination & McCain wins.

Posted by: Jim | Mar 26, 2008 5:21:05 PM


Mike Kraft: this year I might actually consider casting my vote for a third-party candidate.

Navarro: Exactly So. I was for Edwards, but given Clinton or Obama, it's an easy choice. Clinton and the DLC are responsible for the disaster of 2004 and the major letdown after 2006. Whether by design or delusion, they're destroying the party.

Posted by: spudchick | Mar 26, 2008 5:08:36 PM

And the way this poll is constructed overlooks the fact that many Obama supporters are people who have voted for the Greens and the Libertarians in the past.

If Obama doesn't get the nomination, it is very unlikely that I would vote for John McCain... but Mike Gravel if he becomes the Libertarian candidate? Yes. He would be a better president than Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Mark Kraft | Mar 26, 2008 4:49:07 PM

Obama needs to exit gracefully

Posted by: Jim | Mar 26, 2008 4:37:38 PM

lulu, I understand what you're saying saying, and maybe you are referring more to one group than another, but at least speaking for myself and some people I know... the very reason we can't stomach Clinton is that we want to vote for a Democrat! We very much doubt she will move to end the war or take any of the many bold steps necessary to get us out of the mess we're all in. To give her the reins (even begrudgingly) and then watch her change nothing would be even more sickening than seeing McCain, who at least isn't pretending to be a Democrat, become president.

IMO the main reason 29% of Clinton supporters would vote for McCain over Obama is precisely because Clinton has told her supporters McCain was preferable to Obama. And the Obama 19% is probably also because Clinton has told her supporters McCain was preferable to Obama.

Kerry wasn't my choice at all, but I sucked it up and voted for him. Then again I did not think he was actually a cancer on the Democratic party. This is different.

Posted by: spudchick | Mar 26, 2008 4:25:28 PM

I can’t believe you ignorant and selfish people who won’t vote democratic because your candidate is not the nominee. How could you do that to all the mothers, fathers, sons , daughters, etc. who have been killed in Iraq. How could you not want our troops home. How many more need to die by your hands if you vote for McCain. So when someone you know loses a loved one in this war they have you to thank, unbelievable.

Posted by: lulu | Mar 26, 2008 3:58:03 PM


At least half of the Obama supporters I personall know--including myself--cannot stomach the idea of voting for Clinton, and will probably stay home if that's the choice. The questions should perhaps indicate that subtlety.

Some serious damage control is going to be necessary whoever wins. I give Obama a better shot at that than Clinton, simply because he already bothers to speak to a broader spectrum of people. Clinton does not care about the Democrats who aren't in her corner and never has--I doubt she will reach out after getting the nomination and if she did it would be both transparent and awkward.

Posted by: spudchick | Mar 26, 2008 3:56:02 PM

Is this Obama/Wright deal, and the overlapping Caribbean vacations, putting anyone ELSE in mind of the Bimini adventures of "post-partisan" (he supported Eisenhower in 1956) Rep. Adam Clayton Powell, Jr?

The NYPost reports that Rev. Wright (who today cancelled appearances in Florida and Texas) spent Easter in Puerto Rico, at the Ritz-Carlton -- and that, meanwhile, "Rev. Otis Moss III, used Sunday's Easter sermons to compare media focus on Wright to the Romans' persecution and crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Moss said the church will not distance itself from Wright, and that they keep an empty chair in the pulpit in his honor."

Posted by: EdgarCayce | Mar 26, 2008 2:29:16 PM

Yep. It is grim. The Political Punch blog about My Lai (later corrected) stated it pretty clearly as did the the New Yorker (3/17). ""it is tempting to say that the Clinton's campaign plan is to burn the village in order to save it."

Yes We Can - You're not reading the numbers - more Obama supporters would support Hillary, probably because of pro-choice - but that still doesn't get her the nomination and it does not put her within range of winning the national election. It's McCain -and everlasting wars.

Posted by: Mara | Mar 26, 2008 2:25:28 PM

If the DNC just seats those delegates from MI and FL or just holds revokes in those states, then there will be less need for superdelegates to decide the nominee. However, the DNC is more concerned with trying to crown The Precious and stacking the deck against Clinton than winning the elections. They and Obama supporters just refuse to understand that Wright's unpatriotic comments and Obama's refusal to renounce Wright is a deal breaker for traditional Democrats who have supported the party for decades.

Posted by: joe | Mar 26, 2008 1:53:26 PM

Well, so saddened (and you will be, soon), perhaps I was being too simplistic for you, then. 29% of 100% of Hillary voters, leaves 71%. that simple.

Most Clinton voters, once she fails at stealing the nomination, will be smart enough to elect a President who can make a real difference over the next four years. That certainly isn't John McCain.

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 | Mar 26, 2008 1:46:52 PM

Hillary simply cannot tell the truth. Here’s her scorecard:

Admitted Lies

• Chelsea was jogging around the Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. (She was in bed watching it on TV.)
• Hillary was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. (She admitted she was wrong. He climbed Mt. Everest five years after her birth.)
• She was under sniper fire in Bosnia. (A girl presented her with flowers at the foot of the ramp.)
• She learned in The Wall Street Journal how to make a killing in the futures market. (It didn’t cover the market back then.)

Whoppers She Won’t Confess To

• She didn’t know about the FALN pardons.
• She didn’t know that her brothers were being paid to get pardons that Clinton granted.
• Taking the White House gifts was a clerical error.
• She didn’t know that her staff would fire the travel office staff after she told them to do so.
• She didn’t know that the Peter Paul fundraiser in Hollywood in 2000 cost $700,000 more than she reported it had.
• She opposed NAFTA at the time.
• She was instrumental in the Irish peace process.
• She urged Bill to intervene in Rwanda.
• She played a role in the ’90s economic recovery.
• The billing records showed up on their own.
• She thought Bill was innocent when the Monica scandal broke.
• She was always a Yankees fan.
• She had nothing to do with the New Square Hasidic pardons (after they voted for her 1,400-12 and she attended a meeting at the White House about the pardons).
• She negotiated for the release of refugees in Macedonia (who were released the day before she got there).

With a record like that, is it any wonder that we suspect her of being less than honest and straightforward?


In a USA Today/Gallup survey when people were asked whether the canditates were “honest and trustworthy”, Senator John McCain came in first with 67percent, Senator Barrack Obama second with 63 percent and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton came in last with 44 percent.

Posted by: Nav | Mar 26, 2008 1:46:47 PM

Don't look NOW, kids, but Mike Gravel has left the Democrats for the Libertarian Party.

Posted by: Navarro | Mar 26, 2008 1:17:33 PM

ah, but how many clinton supporters will vote for gramps over CLINTON? and how many obama supporters over OBAMA?

that's the real story, especially in light of all the gop crossover going on in PA.

Posted by: JR | Mar 26, 2008 1:09:49 PM

jackt51, i thought obama supporters were - allegedly - educated. you say 29% of hillary voters will vote mccain and that leaves 71% for your guy. very bad math.

in round numbers, half the country is dem and half of those are for hillary and half for obama that's 25% of the country for hillary and 25% for obama.

29% of hillary's 25% is about 7%. 50% plus 7% is 57% mccain, leaving 43% for obama. in electoral terms, that means a landslide of pretty much historic proportions - for mccain.

i realize i have greatly oversimplified, but sometimes one must do so to ensure that some folks can understand.

Posted by: so saddened | Mar 26, 2008 1:08:58 PM

Hillary's just pushing this as her last-ditch effort to prove she's more 'electable'. By the time November arrives, no Democrat is going to vote for McCain. Independents are the question mark, and they've been supporting Obama.

As always, Hillary's math, logic and polls are...questionable.

Posted by: Tom J | Mar 26, 2008 12:51:16 PM

So the Clintonista talking point of the day seems to be that Obama is UnAmerican or Anti-American and that a clinton loss will drive Clinton supporter (all 29% of them) to McCain. Well, 71% is still a majority in my math class!!!

Seems to tell me that Obama has the support of more democrats than Hillabeans does. At least more THINKING Democrats!

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 | Mar 26, 2008 12:50:48 PM

not only did that arrogant jerk say that he was not sure his voters would vote for hillary, he also said that he was sure hillary's voters would vote for him. wrong, wrong, wrong. and highly indicative of the arrogance/cockiness of this not-ready-for-prime-time player. and i emphasize "player" for he's really playing us.

the 28% is an understatement.

Posted by: so saddened | Mar 26, 2008 12:49:25 PM

If the Democratic primaries were re-run today -- now that people know more about Hillobama -- Edwards would win.

Network teevee this morning is pushing Al Gore -- whom we can thank for eight years of the neo-con coup -- as a "compromise" candidate.

Democrats -- and other non-right elements -- should INSIST that the Democratic convention nominate John Edwards (who, had he not been deliberately derailed by the media, already would be the nominee).

Posted by: Navarro | Mar 26, 2008 12:30:41 PM

people said: "I am not sure if my voters will vote for Clinton.

He was so arrogant when saying those words. It was that time I decided that I will never vote for him."

Yep. And remember Michelle O. saying that she didn't know if she would support Hillary?

Posted by: cappamore | Mar 26, 2008 12:07:24 PM

We the DEMOCRAST have been divided and will continue to be divided and lose GENERAL ELECTION to McCain. I am not sure that Demo will be united. Both HILLARY and OBAMA Camps are in high tension, tarnishing one another.

Posted by: I.A.T Smith | Mar 26, 2008 11:51:42 AM

For those trying to use the numbers to say Hillary's support is undemocratic, may I remind you it is Obama who said:

I am not sure if my voters will vote for Clinton.

He was so arrogant when saying those words. It was that time I decided that I will never vote for him.

Posted by: people | Mar 26, 2008 11:41:53 AM

dl: I was a democrate and I would of votedc for Hillary. But my moral convictions tell me otherwise. That is why I am voting for John McCain.

Posted by: stella | Mar 26, 2008 11:31:25 AM

dl: I am a McCain supporter.

But if I were a democrate my choice would of been John Edwards or HIllary Clinton.

Mr. Obama is a "FAKE".......

Posted by: steve | Mar 26, 2008 11:29:13 AM

Stella

I am sure Hillary is proud to have you as a supporter.

You fit her campaign perfectly.

You don't help the national discourse with comments like yours.

Posted by: dl | Mar 26, 2008 11:14:22 AM

Hillary would never run as an independent because she would never win. The dem votes would be split so McCain would win

Posted by: moe | Mar 26, 2008 11:10:32 AM

Can Democratic party nominate Clinton for 2008 and Obama for 2012 or vice versa. Is this legal.

Posted by: Tony | Mar 26, 2008 11:08:14 AM

I bet Hillary would run as an independent because ...she would have no chance of winning but she would be able to do what she is doing now...destroying the democrats and all of the things that democrats care about...keep us in a war...

all because she doesn't want to lose.

Every week her choise of continueing to fight for a contest she is losing even after some really "kitchen sink" tactics and 15 years of people putting her husband on a pedestal in the face of the Bush administration... it becomes clearer and clearer... this is about the country of Clinton and not about the country we live in.

If she wanted the party's interests and the best for the country... she would not have dragged out a fight that she is destined to lose...unless she can hide her own LISTS (which i just don''t get why those are offlimits with all the discussions of Obama's what 3 issues they keep harping on..and his pale in comparison to all the scandals and paople and l;awsuits that she has been involved in)and bring attention to every one of the few issues that Barack has had that almost anyone would have in some form or another if they ran for this office.

But that won't happen. She needs to be President. It's her "right."

Posted by: dl | Mar 26, 2008 11:08:12 AM

@Buffaloed | Mar 26, 2008 11:01:59 AM:

Perhaps it is not spite. The Hillary supporters want a president with experience and Obama has far less than McCain. He's fairly moderate for a Republican and she's fairly moderate for a Democrat. Many of us have weathered the storm the past 7 years...perhaps the notion of another 4 isn't that bad.

This is not my opinion, I'll support whomever gets the nomination. Just because there is a higher percentage of Clinton people than Obama people who said they would do this, the fact remains that the Obama supporters should not get a free pass on the issue either.

Posted by: LOM | Mar 26, 2008 11:07:04 AM

Given that Obama's support generally includes more self-described "Independent" voters, you would expect that a higher percentage of Obama's support would defect to McCain.

Since the polling reveals just the opposite, it would appear that Clinton's supporters are more spiteful when contemplating a loss by their candidate.

To me, that's not surprising. Clinton's campaign is built upon negativity and sharp elbows, while Obama's campaign at least attempts to emphasize the positive. Negativity breeds spite.

Posted by: Buffaloed | Mar 26, 2008 11:01:59 AM

I could not face myself in the mirror if I ever voted for Clinton or McCain. It is that simple.

Posted by: Mokopane | Mar 26, 2008 10:59:58 AM

Janbitt,

You are absolutely right! Howard Dean does not get along with the Clinton's any way. Nancy Pelosi is the biggest snake! I hope she does not get re- elected this year.

I was so excited when she became the first female speaker. The excitement went to disappointment fast. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid's leadership since democrats has had the lead, has been a disaster. All they want to do is name call and point fingers, nothing gets done. Any other job, they would had been fired. I am ashamed of being a democrat. It's damn hard to get lower score rating than George Bush, but Nancy Pelosi managed to do achieve that goal. It's earned and well deserved.


For the record, I too, if Clinton do not get the nomination. I will be voting for McCain. This Rev Wright of 20 years has destroyed Obama's judgment.

Posted by: Logan | Mar 26, 2008 10:59:35 AM

That's right Russell

Wright has 8 % ... Obama's floor (at the height of the worst of his rev crap) is only a few points below Hillary's ceiling.

and what do you think Hillary's DEAR and longtime friend Mr.Hsu has and Mr. Paul's favorabilities?

If you want to bring in longtime friends and confidants...Sen Clinton has a lot of them that are probably 8% or lower...

but we aren't allowed to talk about those.

This is not about them...it is about the candidate....Hillary couldn't lose any on her favorabilities if we had any chance of winning...how do yuo think she shapes up if she pulled off this nasty fight for her to drag him down.
Not even close to enough. Obama can survive these attacks...if she doesn't keep scratching and fighting to take everything down around her toget the nod in her most favorable situation...where it has been all democrats.

She succeeded in getting him in the trenches...but at least they are looking to get out.

Posted by: dl | Mar 26, 2008 10:59:07 AM

Count me also as one who will not vote for obama.
After 30 years of democratic voting it will be strange to vote republican but I will after they force Hillary out.
For some odd reason the top DNC people think that Hillary voters are sheep and will turn as one toward obama after they force her out. NOT

Posted by: toby | Mar 26, 2008 10:59:00 AM

marie marie

Ya right about for new found support for McCain. And I gotta bridge for sale, too.

It's hard to HRC's base, women but especially grandmothers, throwing the election to McCain and watching a whole generation of reproductive right gains over ruled by a McCain nominated supreme court judge.

Anyone need a spare bridge?

Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 26, 2008 10:55:47 AM

dl: That's higher than Rev. Wrights 8% likeability. I think Obama has an albatross around his neck that will never go away!

Posted by: russell | Mar 26, 2008 10:49:16 AM

If Hillary wanted to scare the crap out of the DNC all she would have to do is mention running as an independent! That would put an end to Obama once and for all. But she would never do it. Still something for the DNC to think about!

Posted by: russell | Mar 26, 2008 10:46:40 AM

I am one of those older (my late 30's) white people who was raised blue collar to the core and will not vote for Hillary.

I will not have another President who doesn't have character and who is not experienced at making the right decisision but experienced at playing the game and winning at the expense of the party and the country.

This is all about the Clintons again no matter what scandals and questions still lay there being ignored by the media... so here they go again bringing down the country and the party all in the name of their "right" to be President.

Yeah, that's the leader we should be voting for.

The "MSM" has not said a word about all of the scvandals that are unresolved with the Clintons because of the vitriol and anger from her supporters...you are not allowed to talk about ALL of those lists...because all you Clinton supporters get on here and start screaming that it's all made up... uh ...no...who has LISTS of scandals like Hillary...besides Bill...name me one. They have you all brainwashed despite the fact they have been caught time after time...fined disbarred investigated...charged... and it is not just Bill.

Just because you all can't let go of your blind fight for a couple that absolutely does not deserve your loyalty... but half the party can't let go of their protectionism.

The truth is Sen Clinton has a REALLY LOW ceiling of people who even like her acrossthis country...she can't lose that ...even by a few points... and because opf how she has run this primary she already has lost half of that.

HOW COULD SHE EVER WIN? She was at 52%...I would guess now she is at what ...maybe 35% likeability.

Posted by: dl | Mar 26, 2008 10:46:12 AM

By the way, Jake, I love the title, intriguing.

Taylor wrote:

"I think the percent of people that would vote for McCain is much higher. NO one I know voting for CLinton is going to vote for Obama. Large part of that is from the actions of the people supporting him"

I absolutely agree. I fully understand that that the positions and platforms of Clinton and Obama are similar, nothing really I cannot reconcile, but my firm belief and perception is that Clinton supporters will not vote Obamain GE. And, like Taylor, I agree that the Obamamaniacs are responsible for that.

I considered every candidate, both Dem and Repub. I found talent and value in each. Obamamaniacs cannot do that.

Posted by: marie | Mar 26, 2008 10:45:52 AM

Hillary's bid for the White House will end when she releases her tax return

Posted by: Yes We Can | Mar 26, 2008 10:45:22 AM

Don Tufts, Sen. Clinton is just as much a Marxist, if not more so, than Sen. Obama. I have to hand it to her though, she is much more open about her agenda. Last year she actually advocated rejecting an ownership society and replacing it with one of "shared responsibility for shared prosperity." She also said she preferred "a 'we're all in it together' society."

Posted by: James Danley | Mar 26, 2008 10:40:56 AM

I think that Howard Dean, and Harry Reid and the DNC and Nancy Pelosi have made up their minds to force Hillary Clinton out of the race at the earliest possible date to avoid trouble at the Convention. I plan to defect from the Democratic Party as soon as they dump Senator Clinton and vote either Republican, which I truly hate to do, or for Ron Paul, the Libertarian, who is running as an Independent. Actually, I am so disgusted with the DNC that I wish ALL of the Clinton Democrats would defect and vote for Ron Paul, who has some good ideas and who actually has principles and ethics. I continue to believe that Clinton would have been a really good, hard-working, problem solving, President, but too many of the Democratic Hierarchy for whatever reason, decided to backstab her at every opportunity. They will have thrown away the election when they dump her.

Posted by: Janbitt | Mar 26, 2008 10:40:06 AM

This is all going according to Hillary's Plan.

She's gotta keep creating division and when the party is totally smashed up, she's gonna grab the bigger half.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 26, 2008 10:39:30 AM

I am also one of that 28% I will not vote for BHO period! This will not change in NOVEMBER no matter what "Howy" or "Teddy" say. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR THE OBAMA PEOPLE. Oh, buy the way I am a PA voter,looking forward to castng my vote for Hillary

Posted by: Jim | Mar 26, 2008 10:36:43 AM

Almost as bad as a Dennis Miller reference.

The 28% represents centrists and those that LOVE AMERICA.

Posted by: geevill | Mar 26, 2008 10:36:25 AM

I'm wondering how many of the commenters on both sides even understood the title of this article. That reaches back a long way (Zindel's play 1964), (Newman/Woodword's movie 1972). Trying to capture the boomers?

Jeez! So I guess Hillary is Beatrice and Obama is Tillie?

You really had to stretch for that one, JT.

Posted by: len | Mar 26, 2008 10:32:27 AM

Listen close..can you hear that snap,crackle,pop sound? No its not your morning bowl of rice krispies, its the sound of that Big Tent they call the Democratic Party! You see it is not who calls who what it is that this campaign is split down the middle with left wing intellectuals and blacks on one side and white working class women and men on the other. This fight is about who will control this party and it is for a lack of a better term an uncivil war. There is no way to gloss over this like some pundits want to do it out there its real and it is raw to the bone! Blacks see this as their chance and women see it as theirs and no one is going to quit. This fight will go all the way to Denver and beyond because like in all civil wars it takes time to heal wounds and now to November just ain't going to do it! There will be the usual hands in the air betwee Hillary and Obama but that will be as far as coming together as there will be and in the end she and her most loyal supporters will not be active for Obama and that will make all the difference in November!

Posted by: russell | Mar 26, 2008 10:32:15 AM

IF OBAMA DOES NOT GET THE NOMINATION I WILL DEFINITELY VOTE for McCain. I don't trust Hillary. She is untrustworthy.

Posted by: I.A.T Smith | Mar 26, 2008 10:31:57 AM

This is goinfg to sound bad from me but I trust Hilary a lot more the Obama, even thou I would not vote fr either, but if the two were the only picks Hilary is the better.

There seems to be too many skeletons in Obama's closet we do not know about, the fact that he lied about his pastor being brought up in a poor neighborhood and that is why he speaks racism, well his pastor grew up with loads of money.

Obama's connections to terrorists, oil for food and so forth!

Posted by: spock | Mar 26, 2008 10:30:23 AM

Some of you raised questions about Obama supporters. Here are some answers that blow your theories.
White woman over 50 lower middle class Associate degree rural life-long dem been with Obama since day one supporter previously of DNC and its congressional committes. I won't vote Clinton. Against an Clinton/Obama ticket or vice versa. I won't vote McCain. I will vote, but leave that blank.
AND I am not alone. Enjoy.
See, I don't fit your demographics.

Posted by: disgusted | Mar 26, 2008 10:30:10 AM

For myself, I was thinking about giving Obama a nod for vote. But, to be honest, I have several. Obama clearly is not ready to be president. Like it or not Clinton has the experience to take on John McCain.

But my major factor for leaning toward Clinton was the way the media was treating her. Obama arrogant supporters, pundits, advisers treated the Clinton. The media has been pro Obama and anti Clinton. Personally, I think Hillary Clinton has been shafted by the MSM. Finally, in January 08, there was a study done to validate my confirmation. That caused me to learn her way. Truly, I believe, the MSM has tried to derail her campaign because she is a woman. Equal rights means equality for all in my book.

I think the percent of people that would vote for McCain is much higher. NO one I know voting for CLinton is going to vote for Obama. Large part of that is from the actions of the people supporting him.

Posted by: Taylor | Mar 26, 2008 10:27:53 AM

I am a typical white person and one of the 28%. I will not vote for Obama!! I don't trust him and as time goes on it goes to his character! This is a close race and Clinton needs to stay in this race, and who are these reporters and tv anchors to tell her to get out, you can tell who they are voting for by there remarks and what they print in the papers!

Posted by: Shirley | Mar 26, 2008 10:20:06 AM

the reason is that we on hillary's side wont vote for a marxist leaning antiamerican black separist in sheeps clothing,so obama supporters have your day in the sun as in novemebr you wont be happy.

Posted by: don tufts | Mar 26, 2008 10:18:35 AM

This race would not have gotten so bitter if Hillary wasn't fighting for her life. This was a civil campaign prior. So don't blame the media for what she has done to the party. It's not a competetive race anymore it is divisive bitter. Which was predicted for the fall between Hillary and the republicans. It just happened early.

Posted by: goodwins | Mar 26, 2008 10:10:32 AM

This has nothing to do with the current fighting. As much as it does, the overall divide in the party in general. I truly believe the margin of divide will be a lot greater.

The Democrats should stop messing around, wasting all this campaign money. Killing the candidates. Put Clinton and Obama on the same ticket, move on. Potentially, she could do two terms and he could do two terms. 16 years of democrat White House.

Howard Dean, should be fired as chairman. I have cut all funding off to the DNC.


Clinton/Obama


"Experience change in 2008"

Posted by: Perry | Mar 26, 2008 10:06:39 AM

The media keeps reporting that the Obama supporters won't back Clinton in November. Maybe that 28% is a reaction to that.

Posted by: Mara R | Mar 26, 2008 10:02:28 AM

The media keeps reporting that the Obama supporters won't back Clinton in November. Maybe that 28% is a reaction to that.

Posted by: Mara R | Mar 26, 2008 10:02:27 AM

There is a lot of animosity between the two camps and most of it has been fueled by the media bias against Clinton. The other problem has been the crazy primary rules. Regardless of who wins the nomination the losing side is going to feel cheated and rightly so. I have heard many of the Obama supporters saying Hillary should get out for the good of the party. I think if anyone should get out it should be Obama. He has many more opportunities to run but this is the one shot for Hillary.

Posted by: Firefighter | Mar 26, 2008 9:58:35 AM

I, for one, do not buy any of these polls. The supporters for either of these candidates right now are essentially throwing a temper tantrum. You may have a small percentage of people who might vote for McCain over the Democratic nominee but I find it hard to believe (especially after Bush) that any democrat would select someone over Bush than a perfectly respectable and qualified democratic nominee. I guess we'll see either way.

Once the nomination is wrapped up either way, the DNC will do the right things to remind us all why we're Democrats and not part of the GOP and we'll all move forward.

Posted by: What.Say.Me... | Mar 26, 2008 9:53:48 AM

The Hillary people are totally fooling themselves. I'm a heart and soul conservative Republican and so are most of my friends. I can tell you that among Reps there is great esteem for Obama for being able to deconstruct the Clinton Machine - which is the political apparatus Reps hate more than anything else in the USA. I was shocked by the Wright tapes, but I know that many young Rep voters still favor Obama over McCain, simply because he's so much more intelligent and cool & calm & collected, and because he's planning to build a bipartisan administration of top-notch people. NOBODY however thinks that Hillary is anything else than her husband's and her lobbyists' puppet who has not a single idea of her OWN about the economy, foreign policy or the military. She is a mechanic doll, just listen to how she talks, and so are her 'loyal' (empty headed) supporters.

Posted by: John H | Mar 26, 2008 9:45:01 AM

5-10% of turnover, on either side, is normal. These numbers are inflated now because the supporters are in the heat of the battle, and Hillary's are higher because she's losing and those supporters are upset.

Posted by: Colin Hicks | Mar 26, 2008 9:39:24 AM

Yes we can, Your first freudian slip was correct.

Obama voters in the primary won't vote Obama in the general.

That's his real problem.

Posted by: s.b. | Mar 26, 2008 9:37:48 AM

I don not think your numbers are wright .Women in this country who are over fourty won't for vote Obama if they are supporting Hillary in 1965 I watched my Fater have one of the biggest fights with my Mother she had had six children kept a beautiful house had dinner on the table at five O'clock just like every other Mother in are upscale middle class subdivision her sin she had gotten a driver's license in 1967 the next big fight her sin she got a part time job this race has stirred the pot I think if you ask who cleans the toilet you'll see why a black man will be president before any woman I was mad about this whole race now I'm just seeing were the ax head fell.

Posted by: Bishop | Mar 26, 2008 9:34:21 AM

I corrected myself. I forgot to mention, If Hillary is the nominee.


Posted by: Yes We Can | Mar 26, 2008 9:33:28 AM

Exactly, Yes we can.

Obama doesnt even retain his voters after he is the nominee.

They swing to McCain in large enough numbers for the Dems to lose the white house.

Those are the critical numbers.

Posted by: s.b. | Mar 26, 2008 9:31:10 AM

It also shows a poll where republicans and independents voting for Obama will vote McCain IF HILAARY IS THE NOMINEE

Independents is the key to the White House.

Posted by: Yes We Can | Mar 26, 2008 9:30:56 AM

19% are the real educated mature folks who are beware of the separatist Obama who is racially dividing America

Posted by: MattOhio | Mar 26, 2008 9:29:09 AM

What you are missing in these numbers is that many of those Obama supporters may not vote for Obama either, as they are Republicans who will vote Republican in Nov.

Many of them have said as much.

I want a poll that asks Obama voters in the primaries who they are going to vote for in Nov. I bet there a good number that say McCain.

I think the numbers are even worse than first glance and that Obama has no hope of winning in a general election.

Posted by: s.b. | Mar 26, 2008 9:29:06 AM

Turnout in the GE for Obama will come in such record numbers, all the indicators tell us, that the traitors from the Clinton camp will in no way be able to keep him away from the next Presidency. And many conservative Republicans will stay at home, for they refuse to support that old big flirter with Kerry and other liberals, Mr. John McCain.

Self-respect among Hillary supporters appears to be as low as Hillary's own self-respect. She knows no shame and therefore they do not either. They are blind followers in the true sense of the word.

Posted by: Oyaya | Mar 26, 2008 9:29:00 AM

It also shows a poll where republicans and independents voting for Obama will vote McCain.

Independents is the key to the White House.

Posted by: Yes We Can | Mar 26, 2008 9:28:04 AM

Frida...I think you're reading that backwards, the 28% tells me that the democrats supporting Clinton don't beleive that Obama would do well as Commander in Chief

Posted by: pjm | Mar 26, 2008 9:27:02 AM

The 28% simply tells me that Hillary does not represent the Democrats' agenda for the American future.

Posted by: Frida | Mar 26, 2008 9:20:53 AM

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