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The Prism of that Illinois House Race
March 09, 2008 2:58 PM
In the special election to replace retiring House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Illinois, Democrat Bill Foster beat Republican Jim Oberweis, 53%-47%.
"In a stunning upset Saturday that could be a sign of trouble for Republicans this fall, a little-known Democratic physicist won the special election for a far west suburban congressional seat long held by former GOP House Speaker Dennis Hastert," writes the Chicago Tribune.
"In a major blow to the Republican Party, Democratic former physicist Bill Foster on Saturday took the solidly Republican far west suburban seat held for the last 21 years by former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert," proclaims the Chicago Sun-Times.
Not surprisingly, Obama supporters are selling the result as a sort of proxy Obama-McCain face-off, since Obama did a TV ad for Foster, while McCain stumped for Oberweis.
There's another way to look at the race, though. Clearly Foster was comfortable having Obama campaign for him even though the district is something like 2-to-1 Republican.
Does anyone know if any of the Democrats running for Congress in 2006 in Republican-leaning seats had Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, campaign for them so publicly?
I ask because Clinton heralds the fact that she won over Republican voters in her state. But there were some hotly contests Democratic House races in New York two years ago, and Clinton was on the top of the ticket. And I'm pretty certain she didn't appear in any TV ads for an of those Democrats -- ultimately victorious now-Reps. Michael Arcuri and Kirsten Gillibrand not to mention long shot Rep. John Hall (formerly of the band Orleans).
Thoughts?
-jpt
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Hey "Commander Guy", your ideas about Hillary being guided by polls is a fallacy. If she went by polls she would have quit when she was down. As you can see this thing shape up where Hillary wins via Florida, Michigan, popular vote, and superdelegate vote, clearly indicates taht she has been acting strategically. Who did not cave to Howard Dean's pressure in removing her name off the ballot? Who has consistently advocated for the people of Florida and Michigan, even when it was an unpopular idea to do so? Hillary Clinton would be the correct answer. I do like your blog, though. I'll stop by and throw rocks at it one of these days.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 9, 2008 9:39:15 PM
Catfight, perhaps you forgot this Iraq war money is borrowed funds as reported by all major news media. You do not have to believe me, however, I urge you to check for yourself. Now with our falling dollar and housing crisis like none of us ever experienced before bank are starting to fold. We are all in a world of hurt right now and I want both Clinton and Obama to focus us all on this issues so we all know how we're going to get out of this mess. I find both Hillary, and I'm her supporter, and Obama have not given us more clarity on these issues. What do you think?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 9, 2008 9:22:33 PM
Dogsoldier
IDK where BHO would go. But the same is true about HRC.
But she's predictable. You just need to understand polling data and where her short term political interests lay. That's her guiding light so she be easy to understand.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 9, 2008 8:37:47 PM
Its called negative coattails. That's the HRC effect on the down ballot.
If you pick HRC, look for campaign commercials to morph the face of your ordinary average Dem into the face of HRC. Ya see, in the election fight the ordinary average Dem will get a fraction of Hillary's friends to watch his back. But he'll inherit all her enemies tying him to her and taking him down.
And that bright shiny new toy also known as the House of Representatives will be gone for good in 2010. Hope you enjoy it while it lasts Nancy.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 9, 2008 8:28:24 PM
Jake,
7 of your last 10 posts have been anti-Clinton. Are you trying to tell us something?
Posted by: Tom Traubert | Mar 9, 2008 8:24:26 PM
America is in for some fun. Should Obama win the White House the nation will swing from hard right wing policy to hard left wing policy. Somebody is in for a rude wake up the next day. One question, with the incredible debt load America currently owes where will Obama get the money to deliver on even one quarter of his promises? Obama supporters, your turn?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 9, 2008 8:22:09 PM
ODB... what are you implying? This country has been run by "highly experienced evil geniuses" so conversely we should give it over to an inexperienced good simpleton!
Posted by: smartprimate | Mar 9, 2008 6:41:52 PM
All I can say is GO BHO.!!
The critics will be caught holding air....we need the kind of change Barack can bring to our nation....which has been abused so much especially in the last 8 years....largely from the highly experienced evil geniuses that have been in power. Please help us sweep them out one by one ...
Posted by: odb | Mar 9, 2008 6:28:13 PM
This is a little different... all incumbents are vulnerable this year. In the General, all the Bush-haters will be happy that there is no Bush on the ticket, although the Souros 527’s will keep on doing that insipid McSame ad. I think we have nominated the best person for the job and he will be very competitive. However, since the beginning of this race, I was always of the opinion that even with a well mounted campaign by the GOP; the General Election is for the Democrats to Lose.
HOWEVER, it’s looking like the Dems are doing a fine job of doing just that! Keep it up… a well rested McCain will be meeting bloodied and wounded BHO and HRC after they come back from the sunny but indecisive Puerto Rico Primary!
Posted by: smartprimate | Mar 9, 2008 6:10:01 PM
If one takes the time to research, one finds that Senator Obama has accomplished quite a lot in his life, and that he has a values system for himself that is very demanding and that he lives up to. Check out how he grew up, where he went to school, and what he has done since he graduated. You will find a stellar mind and career.
He can lead us out of the fear the last writer so obviously is in and trying to pull the rest of us in to. It is time for a political shift. Please join us.
Posted by: Nancy Lee Potter | Mar 9, 2008 6:00:04 PM
Obama has became the new generation's pet rock. No one knows what he hads done; no one knows what he would do; no one cares whether they know; all only wantis to be a part of a "movement"
It is time for all of you to wake up!
The fututre of this country is at stake, think before you act, think twice before you vote.
Posted by: pat | Mar 9, 2008 5:52:53 PM
If Foster had run a TV ad with Clinton and had her endorse him, he would have lost BIG. Real BIG.
And anyone rational person not overwhelmed with emotion for Hillary can see that.
Posted by: ROB | Mar 9, 2008 5:48:40 PM
Party in Illinois! We're getting our congressional representation back from the lock-step GOP. Thank you, Denny Hastert--we couldn't have done it without you.
Posted by: Nick | Mar 9, 2008 5:44:50 PM
The problem with that race was Jim Oberweis, this guy has run for every office there is in IL and keeps lossing. The state Republican party needs to get it's act together.
These are the same people that gave us Obama, yes the state Republican party. When Obama was running for the Senate seat he didn't have a chance, until Jack Ryan had to drop out of the race.
If the IL state Republican party had done it's home work no one would even know who Obama is.
Now they have a few months to get someone qualified to run and get that seat back.
Posted by: Tim | Mar 9, 2008 4:51:51 PM
The problem with he Clinton Campaign is they want to continue to try and run a race from the past 3 elections: Hold the fort and pin all of your hopes of Florida and Ohio. I am not sure why that is the stategy becuase it has worked soooo well in he past.
Check out the map on the last non-incumbent Democrat to win the presidency (Clinton in 1992). When he won, he won states like Nevada and Colorado. He did not have to rely on the worst state Democratic party in America in Florida. While he carried Ohio, we would have one without it. That is what Obama can offer Democrats.
He redraws the map and brings the Mountain West into play. He brings southern states like North Carolina, Georgia and Virginia into play. He could conceivably flip the map and make Florida and Ohio irrelevant. The reality is that the big blue states will likely hold. Shouldn't the goal be to change the dynamic in hopes of winning?
Or do we want to wait on yet another questionalbe outcome in FLA and OH?
Posted by: Jason | Mar 9, 2008 4:51:49 PM
This is good news, and basically, reaffirms reality.
The media keeps saying that McCain stands a reasonable chance to win, in November.
But, to me, it's going to be the Democrat, most likely by a large margin.
McCain stands no chance.
But the media will do everything in their power, to help McCain make it a horse race.
Posted by: Jon | Mar 9, 2008 4:43:13 PM
What is this? "Guilt by association in reverse?" Have you inadvertently created a new fallacy? Where are you coming from? Illinois is Senator Obama's home state, why would Foster ask Clinton or anyone else to bolster his campaign? If the majority of republicans in Illinois didn't like Senator Obama, he wouldn't have won his seat in the senate now, would he? Another question, are you another sexist republican who can't stand to see a woman who is much smarter than most men?
Posted by: M. Watson | Mar 9, 2008 4:39:48 PM
Only 1 in 5 voters in the district showed up. That miserable turnout demonstrates the disgust that voters have for both parties in IL. As an example of the chaos, Democrats can't stand Blagojevich, either and won't support his bills. It's nuts. This Democrat can only do good in US Congress if he stays away from amnesty for illegals. No one more than he, a research physicist whose career has been wholly dependent on funds paid by the US taxpayer, knows the insane costs of the immigration Ponzi scheme on energy research that will be essential to the very survival of the modern world. Bush mothballed fusion research after 15 billion was spent since the early '90's, but billions in block grants go to states overwhelmed with the public costs of immigration. It's shameful. The illegals get free education for their children and healtcare for themselves while we all await $10 gas in 2012.
Posted by: Eric Nowak | Mar 9, 2008 4:38:05 PM
What may be more important for Obama tan the fact his candidate won the race, it may add another super delegate to his column. My guess is that Representative Foster will have that Super delegate title bestowed on him due to the win, giving Obama another needed vote.
Posted by: Jason | Mar 9, 2008 4:36:52 PM
One big difference about Clinton in NY two years ago, was that Eliot Spitzer was really the most popular politician w/ 69% of the vote. Spitzer was the top of the ticket in that race. He campaigned heavily for Gillibrand and Arcuri and I believe also did ads for them.
Posted by: cgibson | Mar 9, 2008 4:34:57 PM
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