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Another Witness to 'Screw 'em' - Gate

April 18, 2008 9:44 AM

With Sen. Hillary Rodham Mellencamp continuing to make Pennsylvania hay out of Sen. Barack Obama's controversial comments about small town voters (with an assist today from the New York Times' Paul Krugman, one of the few columnists who support her), her 1995 comments at an intellectual retreat about Southern working class white voters -- "screw 'em," she is alleged to have said -- have some added relevance.

And today they have an added witness.

Writing at Talking Points Memo, Theda Skocpol says she does not recall those words per se, "But what is clear in both in my memory and my notes is that there was extensive, hard-nosed discussion about why masses of voters did not support Clinton or trust government or base their choices on economic as opposed to what people saw as peripheral life-style concerns. Hillary Clinton was among the most cold-blooded analysts in attendance. She spoke of ordinary voters as if they were a species apart, and showed interest only in the political usefulness of their choices -- usefulness to the Clinton administration, that is.

"I vividly remember at the time finding it impressive that Bill Clinton (not Hillary Clinton) showed real empathy for the ordinary people whose motives and supposedly misguided choices were under analysis. Ironically, just as Barber reported, Bill Clinton was the one who combined analysis and empathy, much as Obama himself did in his full San Francisco remarks."

We reported on the comments, reported in Sally Bedell Smith's book on the Clintons, back in October.

Benjamin Barber, a supporter of Clinton's, wrote about the comments in his first-hand-look at the Bill Clinton administration:

“Her hard, angry rhetoric resonated with the ancient ardor of class war," Barber wrote, saying she "was not persuaded that the soft, if well-meaning language of civil society could contend with the hard power of well-entrenched socioeconomic groups. If working white men and white women in the South no longer wanted to support the president, if ethnics were continuing to jump the Democrats’ ship, then—she looked her husband in the eye—‘screw ‘em. You don’t owe them a thing, Bill. They’re doing nothing for you; you don’t have to do anything for them.’”

The Huffington Post's Sam Stein interviewed another attendee of the retreat in question, Harry Boyte, director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Democracy and Citizenship, who said: "[Hillary Clinton] sees herself as the champion of the oppressed, but there is always a kind of good guy versus bad guy mentality. The comment before that was that 'the Regan Democrats are our enemies and they weren't on our side,' and she was agreeing with that comment. She said we should write them off: screw them."

And after Clinton campaign spokesman Jay Carson blithely dismissed the comments -- "So, you've got two guys we've barely heard of remembering a verbatim quote from 13 years ago?" Carson said, "sounds totally and completely reliable" --Alan Wolfe, a professor of political science at Boston College, wrote at The New Republic: "Make that three. I was there. I hope people have heard of me. And Barber and Boyte have it right."

- jpt

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That Hillary Clinton puts politics above any other consideration is not a surprise.

That she said "screw 'em" with regard to working-class voters is even less of a surprise.

The Clintons are panderers from way back and they'll do whatever it takes to win. If being nice to the folks helps them win, they'll be nice...till they win.

Please, Lord, not another Clinton White House.

Posted by: Dema | Apr 20, 2008 10:44:05 AM

See, people. Like I said, She had the guts to say it...He doesn't...he just sneaks it in. Chicken.

Posted by: RL in Illinois | Apr 20, 2008 3:38:23 AM

I'm from the south and I support HILLARY CLINTON! the huffington post supports Osama Obama and all his other cronies such as Randi Rhodes too!

Posted by: Mark | Apr 19, 2008 3:37:30 PM

So she said SCREW EM to the Reagan Democrats...and NOW shes wrote off and insulted the Democratic Activists and MoveOn (huff post)...there is NO CHANCE she would be elected in November. You can BANK on THAT!

Posted by: susan | Apr 19, 2008 10:09:53 AM

13 years ago.... wow, who are you voting for mr.tapper?

Posted by: John | Apr 19, 2008 7:53:53 AM

Did Hillary say "screw 'em"? Wouldn't be surprised if you look at what was being discussed. So what? Let's imagine a hypothetical, but possible, similar scenario.

David Axelrod: Barack, we've tried everything and we just can't win over the blue collar workers. Even your attempts at bowling didn't poll well. I hate to admit it, but those hard working, middle & low-class Americans love Hillary.

Obama: I'm not doing anymore stupid redneck tricks...screw 'em! I'll get my votes and donations from the white, upper class. Put San Francisco on the agenda.

Posted by: debunker | Apr 19, 2008 12:59:38 AM

Ya mean Obama is using "old time" political strategy to beat-up on Hillary? Tell me it isn't so! The "uniter", opposed to "politics as usual" and negativity in politics would drop this unsubstantiated, lack of context piece of info (hit job) into the media?

Oh...Obama (angel) didn't do it...but his campaign team (devils) did. That's okay then. B.O. followers duped again
by another slick performance!

Posted by: debunker | Apr 19, 2008 12:42:53 AM

Unfortuately, unless someone can come up with a video of her saying it, she will get away with it. The general news midia, and particular CNN, FOX and msnbc do not recognize any story unless there is video to show.

Posted by: Dennis | Apr 18, 2008 9:15:36 PM

dl, you wrote: "I hope that (trickle-down economics) is not what you are saying because it is bad policy in many peoples' opinions."

There was a recent article, ironically, from a left leaning periodical (I tried locating it online to cite it, but have yet to locate it), that blamed the loss of some tourist related jobs (i.e., cab drivers, waiters, store clerks, and even some small business owners going out of business) because the wealthy are not traveling as much. Well if that is true, wouldn't the converse also be true as well? When the wealthy travel and spend money, then don't cab drivers, waiters, store clerks and even small businesses benefit? That IS the theory behind trickle-down economics!

Posted by: James Danley | Apr 18, 2008 9:08:30 PM

dl, I just stated the facts. Here is another fact, the 2006 U. S. median annual household income was $48,201.00. That means half of all households made more and half of all households made less than $48,201.00. So your statement that the lower 50% bought the majority of the homes is suspect. And your implication that all of those in the upper 50% aren't fighting to keep food on the table and choosing that over health insurance is certainly not true.

Now then, you wrote: "It does not mean that a person who owns multiple homes should be equal in taxes to the person who can't afford to pay their apartment rent and their kids daycare..." A person who owns multiple homes is paying property taxes on multiple properties. Whereas the person renting an apartment is NOT paying any property taxes. Your comparing apples to oranges!

Finally, capitalism actually works best when the free market is allowed to fluctuate without governmental interference. Take the current housing market crisis, except in those cases where criminal acts were involved by real estate agents or bankers who made fradulent claims, the federal government should stay out of the crisis and let the free market make the correction. People who gambled on the lower (at the time) adjustable mortgage rates and now see their rates doubled or tripled, should not (except possibly where fraud was involved) be bailed out. These individuals could have elected the higher fixed mortgages, but they gambled on the mortgage rates remaining low when they knew they could go up at anytime.

Posted by: James Danley | Apr 18, 2008 7:30:07 PM

"Two words said 13 years ago and without context? What a crap! The M$M and Obama campaign really should be ashamed of themselves."

Agree. And it is not the same as characterize the working class in that stereotype way.

Obama tries to get even; it is understandable, from a point of view of old politics.

Posted by: Victor | Apr 18, 2008 5:11:55 PM

IF this is indeed true...

Hillary's was a human reaction reflecting frustration at people who hadn't voted as the Democrats had hoped. (As a Hillary supporter who will vote McCain over Obama, it wouldn't surprise or offend me to hear someone in the Dem party make the same remark regarding women deserters post November 4 as I will be directing those same sentiments toward the party.)

By contrast, Obama's comments were an elitist's view of small town Americans: they 'cling' to guns, religion, bigotry, anti-illegal-immigration, and question trade policy because they're 'bitter' rather than because they may have legitimate concerns on those issues. Obama equates these concerns with economic uncertainty which illustrates the fact that he doesn't "get it" when it comes to understanding the core values of many Americans.

Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 18, 2008 4:43:54 PM

That's it - Obama is the better choice.
He's got my vote!

Posted by: Mark | Apr 18, 2008 3:31:32 PM

Did ya'all see Hillary's expression during the debate when Georgie boy asked her about the, "Screw 'em," flap? It was priceless!

Actually it would have been if the much more important issue of flag pins hadn't been chosen instead.

Posted by: nisleib | Apr 18, 2008 2:44:52 PM

I say that a lot lately and who hasn't.

Posted by: Tina D | Apr 18, 2008 1:36:12 PM

Unless you have those Hillary comments on tape, the veracity of the claims by those three guys will always be in doubt, much like Larry Sinclair's claims of gay sex and drug use by Obama. The fact that Obama's "bitter""clinging" comments were recorded on tape and Wright's sermons were recorded on video makes them much more believable than someone's claim that they remembered a conversation 13 years ago.

Posted by: Joe | Apr 18, 2008 12:37:01 PM

Imagine if Obama had said something like this. His comment, while ill advised, showed that he sympathized with the plight of working people. Hillary, on the other hand, says just "screw 'em."

Posted by: SpaceCat | Apr 18, 2008 12:33:33 PM

She is horrible, just horrible. This how she has always been. Get Real and Get over the OLD SCHOOL WASHINGTON POLITICS of Hillary Clinton and George Bush!

Posted by: latinovoter1 | Apr 18, 2008 12:03:38 PM

Why can't the Dem's find a maverick like McCain? You know a guy who dumps his first wife who stood by him while he was a POW and marries a younger, prettier, multimillionaire? A guy who has been formally admonished by his peers in the Senate for the Keating 5 scandal? A guy who will stand up for the sanctity of marriage and have multiple affairs and then blame the MSM for political hit jobs? Why can't the Dems run a real American Hero like that? I would vote for em. For Sure.

Posted by: Former GOP'er | Apr 18, 2008 11:51:09 AM

I don't believe your story. If he did use his middle finger, he should have used his two middle fingers, one for Hillary & one for Bill. How about that?

Posted by: Chan | Apr 18, 2008 11:38:38 AM

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