Political Punch

That Hillary Clinton puts politics above any other consideration is not a surprise.

That she said "screw 'em" with regard to working-class voters is even less of a surprise.

The Clintons are panderers from way back and they'll do whatever it takes to win. If being nice to the folks helps them win, they'll be nice...till they win.

Please, Lord, not another Clinton White House.

See, people. Like I said, She had the guts to say it...He doesn't...he just sneaks it in. Chicken.

I'm from the south and I support HILLARY CLINTON! the huffington post supports Osama Obama and all his other cronies such as Randi Rhodes too!

So she said SCREW EM to the Reagan Democrats...and NOW shes wrote off and insulted the Democratic Activists and MoveOn (huff post)...there is NO CHANCE she would be elected in November. You can BANK on THAT!

13 years ago.... wow, who are you voting for mr.tapper?

Did Hillary say "screw 'em"? Wouldn't be surprised if you look at what was being discussed. So what? Let's imagine a hypothetical, but possible, similar scenario.

David Axelrod: Barack, we've tried everything and we just can't win over the blue collar workers. Even your attempts at bowling didn't poll well. I hate to admit it, but those hard working, middle & low-class Americans love Hillary.

Obama: I'm not doing anymore stupid redneck tricks...screw 'em! I'll get my votes and donations from the white, upper class. Put San Francisco on the agenda.

Ya mean Obama is using "old time" political strategy to beat-up on Hillary? Tell me it isn't so! The "uniter", opposed to "politics as usual" and negativity in politics would drop this unsubstantiated, lack of context piece of info (hit job) into the media?

Oh...Obama (angel) didn't do it...but his campaign team (devils) did. That's okay then. B.O. followers duped again
by another slick performance!

Unfortuately, unless someone can come up with a video of her saying it, she will get away with it. The general news midia, and particular CNN, FOX and msnbc do not recognize any story unless there is video to show.

dl, you wrote: "I hope that (trickle-down economics) is not what you are saying because it is bad policy in many peoples' opinions."

There was a recent article, ironically, from a left leaning periodical (I tried locating it online to cite it, but have yet to locate it), that blamed the loss of some tourist related jobs (i.e., cab drivers, waiters, store clerks, and even some small business owners going out of business) because the wealthy are not traveling as much. Well if that is true, wouldn't the converse also be true as well? When the wealthy travel and spend money, then don't cab drivers, waiters, store clerks and even small businesses benefit? That IS the theory behind trickle-down economics!

dl, I just stated the facts. Here is another fact, the 2006 U. S. median annual household income was $48,201.00. That means half of all households made more and half of all households made less than $48,201.00. So your statement that the lower 50% bought the majority of the homes is suspect. And your implication that all of those in the upper 50% aren't fighting to keep food on the table and choosing that over health insurance is certainly not true.

Now then, you wrote: "It does not mean that a person who owns multiple homes should be equal in taxes to the person who can't afford to pay their apartment rent and their kids daycare..." A person who owns multiple homes is paying property taxes on multiple properties. Whereas the person renting an apartment is NOT paying any property taxes. Your comparing apples to oranges!

Finally, capitalism actually works best when the free market is allowed to fluctuate without governmental interference. Take the current housing market crisis, except in those cases where criminal acts were involved by real estate agents or bankers who made fradulent claims, the federal government should stay out of the crisis and let the free market make the correction. People who gambled on the lower (at the time) adjustable mortgage rates and now see their rates doubled or tripled, should not (except possibly where fraud was involved) be bailed out. These individuals could have elected the higher fixed mortgages, but they gambled on the mortgage rates remaining low when they knew they could go up at anytime.

"Two words said 13 years ago and without context? What a crap! The M$M and Obama campaign really should be ashamed of themselves."

Agree. And it is not the same as characterize the working class in that stereotype way.

Obama tries to get even; it is understandable, from a point of view of old politics.

IF this is indeed true...

Hillary's was a human reaction reflecting frustration at people who hadn't voted as the Democrats had hoped. (As a Hillary supporter who will vote McCain over Obama, it wouldn't surprise or offend me to hear someone in the Dem party make the same remark regarding women deserters post November 4 as I will be directing those same sentiments toward the party.)

By contrast, Obama's comments were an elitist's view of small town Americans: they 'cling' to guns, religion, bigotry, anti-illegal-immigration, and question trade policy because they're 'bitter' rather than because they may have legitimate concerns on those issues. Obama equates these concerns with economic uncertainty which illustrates the fact that he doesn't "get it" when it comes to understanding the core values of many Americans.

That's it - Obama is the better choice.
He's got my vote!

Did ya'all see Hillary's expression during the debate when Georgie boy asked her about the, "Screw 'em," flap? It was priceless!

Actually it would have been if the much more important issue of flag pins hadn't been chosen instead.

I say that a lot lately and who hasn't.

Unless you have those Hillary comments on tape, the veracity of the claims by those three guys will always be in doubt, much like Larry Sinclair's claims of gay sex and drug use by Obama. The fact that Obama's "bitter""clinging" comments were recorded on tape and Wright's sermons were recorded on video makes them much more believable than someone's claim that they remembered a conversation 13 years ago.

Imagine if Obama had said something like this. His comment, while ill advised, showed that he sympathized with the plight of working people. Hillary, on the other hand, says just "screw 'em."

She is horrible, just horrible. This how she has always been. Get Real and Get over the OLD SCHOOL WASHINGTON POLITICS of Hillary Clinton and George Bush!

Why can't the Dem's find a maverick like McCain? You know a guy who dumps his first wife who stood by him while he was a POW and marries a younger, prettier, multimillionaire? A guy who has been formally admonished by his peers in the Senate for the Keating 5 scandal? A guy who will stand up for the sanctity of marriage and have multiple affairs and then blame the MSM for political hit jobs? Why can't the Dems run a real American Hero like that? I would vote for em. For Sure.

I don't believe your story. If he did use his middle finger, he should have used his two middle fingers, one for Hillary & one for Bill. How about that?

When Mr I dont know the answer to these debate questions. Whines before a crowd about Hillary then gives her the finger. This is the person you people want for out nominee?

Screw 'em to the democratic party. Vote McCain, a good man.

Two words said 13 years ago and without context? What a crap! The M$M and Obama campaign really should be ashamed of themselves.

James Danley... Am I wrong or does what you say that whaff of trickle down economics... forgive me if I am wrong but...

I hope that is not what you are saying because it is bad policy in many peoples' opinions.

It is every day Americans (that lower 50%) who bought the majority of homes in that mortgage crisis and when it failed...so goes our economy. It is every day Americans (and that lower 50%) who are fighting to keep food on the table and choosing that over health insurance and then showing up at a hospital emergency room and being taken care of on others peoples bill. The list goes on.

Just because many wealthy are paying moneys that add up to a lot of money in taxes...that does not mean they are representationally sharing the burden for the country that afforded them the ability in which they received that wealth.

It does not mean that a person who owns multiple homes should be equal in taxes to the person who can't afford to pay their apartment rent and their kids daycare...
The idea of tax revenue from the wealthy (and I am finally one of those people now in my life) needs to be at the least "curbed" with the idea that "a rising tide raises all boats"... our country does best when the majority grows of people who have the opportunity to live over basic means...and whose opportunities grow.

...capitalism works when it is touched with an inkling of spirituality and empathy at minimum... rather than protectionism and self-focus.

Count all the votes,

The video of Mr Obama giving Hillary Clinton the finger is not funny. It's appalling.

Can anyone so childish and inexperienced be elected POTUS?

God help us all if he can.

Giving Hillary Clinton ht efinge rat a rally soclearly that the crowd reacts is not just childiish, it is unpresidential.

It is dangerous and frightening to think that someone so juvenille could be elected POTUS.

Wars have been started for less.

MSM has a responsibility to tshow this video to the American people to let them decide if this man should be President.

It's standard high school insult stuff. Most people are familiar with the technique. Its was absolutely done and absolutely done on purpose.

Obama is unpresidential and this video needs to be seen to be believed.

Show the video ABC.

s.b.,

I agree with you that neither Ayres, nor Wright were breaking news when first covered by MSM. I also knew about them many, many months prior by just searchig around on the web. They were "breaking news" to the MSM only.

The video clip of Obama giving the finger is funny!!! I have a friend who is a criminal defense attorney and he has done this to the judges at oral argument and has been videotaped also. It is subtle but definitely there.

didn't she tell NBC they were wrong...that this didn't happen?

but enough about that stuff... let's talk about this umbrella thing she has planned...

You know the protective umbrella for ANY country against ANY attack by Iran. Someone please define cowboy diplomacy to me. Because this sure seems like policing the world...making promises that don't involve the congress' approval (oh yeah that's right she voted to remove that anyway...now it makes sense)... and all of this protection under the umbrella of "MASSIVE RETALIATION!"

but you all want to talk about fluff... and we are missing the real reasons why this woman should not be President.

I am at the point where I don't care what she slipped and said to her husband or that she lied about it again...I care that she is OVERWHELMINGLY NOT ready to be President... and from her statements and judgements ...this is not the job for her. She should be majority leader in the senate or something.

or retire and write books or something.

Counting crows, you wrote: "Obama has said over and over again that Bush's policies have benefited the upper 1% of the population while the rest of us have had to carry the burden."

The top 1% of the nation's wage earners account for 39% of the total tax revenue. The top 5% of the nation's wage earners account for 60% of the total tax revenue. AND the top 50% of the nation's wage earners account for 97% of the total tax revenues? That means that the bottom 50% of the nation's wage earners only pay THREE PERCENT of the total tax revenues.

If Sen. Obama really believes that it is the "rest of us who have to carry the burden," then it is HE who does not understand the economy.

WestCoastMessanger, there is no way for cover up- the real Hill the Bosnian General, this shows how calculated Hill is and how she treats people like napkins, used them and throw them away. That is the real Hillary who will smile to have your vote, tell you anything and everything to get it and after that she forgets you. Yes she had her war zones to spin and push simple people like Vincent Foster to kill himself. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

This is much to do about nothing. This happened 15 years ago and so what? Who the hell remembers what was said 15 years ago. That's like saying remember 15 years ago when I said "Man I'm hungry", this is stupid. Oh yeah where were all these "witnesses" back when the story broke out in October, hmm? This is such a nonissue as is "bitter" gate, the reason why Obama's comments are such a big deal because there is audio and video, it plays into the "sound bite" generation; that's why their so powerful. It's not what he said, it's that we can hear and see it over and over again. As for those who say Obama is given Hillary the finger, did you watch the video? Seriously?! He is scratching the side of his face. Anyone who scratches their face from a frontal view will look like they are flipping someone off. All this crap is ridiculous! Why are the Democrats addicted to self-destruction?

"Let them eat cake."

"Ironically, just as Barber reported, Bill Clinton was the one who combined analysis and empathy, much as Obama himself did in his full San Francisco remarks."

That's exactly what I just wrote down in the other thread on Mrs McCabe's flag pin question.

"Hillary Clinton was among the most cold-blooded analysts in attendance. She spoke of ordinary voters as if they were a species apart, and showed interest only in the political usefulness of their choices -- usefulness to the Clinton administration, that is."

That remark goes to the (empty?) core IMO what Hillary Clinton is about. It explains many things about her general attitude, such as the demonization of her opponents. Now that African Americans for instance no longer support her, I think you wouldn't want to know how she's talking about that group of voters when the press has left the building.

The strangest thing is that a lot of her supporters show the same nasty character, such as Carville who calls Richardson a Judas as soon as he does NOT support Hillary. She's worse than Bush jr. in cherishing the idea that everyone who doesn't support her is her enemy. That's why she would make a horrible President of a country that needs a sense of unity and common goals and interests more than ever.

She's no Bill Clinton, the younger Bill that is. She is a total opportunist. Politics is a CAREER for her, more than anything else.

If a candidate for the President of the United States think its OK or appropriate for him to give the middle finger to his opponent, that is news.

That is important and its speeks to the man's maturity, his judgement, his electability and his entire candidacy.

He is unpresidential.

I'm not sure why people think Obama's economic solutions are so far left. His solutions are almost identical to Clinton's. It's McCain's "I-don't-really-know-much-about-the-economy" "solutions" that scare me. He will only drive this country further and further down into the gutter. I think both Clinton and Obama know how much people (like us) are suffering economically and Obama has said over and over again that Bush's policies have benefited the upper 1% of the population while the rest of us have had to carry the burden. It's McCain who's incredibly out of touch.

Not news worthy

I agree, we will be doomed if Obama becomes president. I watched the debates the other night and was very impressed with Hillary. She was very firm in her answers especially regarding not taxing the middle class. Obama stammered around the question and made no promises regarding the middle tax. This is terrible timing for the campaign however because until this Rezko trial is over with we will not be able to find out the truch about Obama until he's already won the nominee. We have nobody to blame but those that will vote him into the nominee. Whether you like Hillary or not you have to realize she is the best out of who we have to choose from.

Southern working class white guys and soccer moms put G.W. Bush in office. They are are going to vote for John McCain after they voted for Obama to defeat Hillary.

Screw 'em.

Just wanted to add the soccer moms who are bitter because they voted for a man who did that so well while they cheered him on, and now they want to embrace a man who embraces the very enemy they fear.

Screw 'em.

Hillary should quit worrying about offending those who won't vote for her and defend those who will. Even if Obama takes the nomination, he will lose the general election. We'll have four more years of bitter and then 2012 will be another chance to do the right thing.

Say NO To Thugs.

quit ur whinning..she is a liar and a cheat..always has been and always will be..snipergate, so true of her and her old man..nothing portrayes her more than that

Ha. A quote that may or may not be taken out of context, no tape, no proof, just people's word for it, the huffington post. God Help us all.

I will be voting McCain as well if Obama is the nominee. I do not agree with his far far left ideas and really don't want to be taxed to death. The most revealing thing in that debate the other night other than the questionable character of Obama was his economic plans. He is a freakin far left idiot. I think this country is doomed if he is the President.

Hmm.... we will see where it goes. I would like to believe it, but as Hillary ssys she has been attacked many times so will it stick?

Obama08

Screw her!

Wow, all of the media makes me sick. The only reason why Hillary is being bashed is because she is a woman. Everybody is so scared that a woman is going to out do a man that they are not even thinking about the long run. Well all I know is that if Obama gets the nominee I will vote for McCain and I know alot of other people that will do the same. There is no way I'm going to vote somebody into office who is going to destroy this country worse then it already is. I would rather have the Anti-Christ take over the government.

HA

WOW

DISGRACE

I no longer have anymore words for Hillary