Political Punch

I guess it's a generational thing, but I don't get the whole Leftist Extremist or Liberal label. Is Left or Liberal supposed to be a bad thing? I get called that a lot, and it makes no sense to me, as I used to be a moderate but went Democrat when the whole country shifted to the far Right.

I'm against illegal wars that never should have been fought and were started by bogus information.

I'm against the inept way this war has been carried out.

I'm against torturing people and holding them in some sort of Chateau D'if without trial.

I'm against giving tax breaks to extremely wealthy people who don't need them.

I'm against deregulating banking to the point that they can fleece people with outrageous products the consumer doesn't understand, and then bailing them out but not the consumer.

I'm against throwing away our Bill of Rights at the first sign of actual harm to my all-holy backside.

I consider these things to be pretty patriotic, standard American values.

Pro Bill of Rights, check.

Pro Effective, measured use of our military, check.

Pro peace, democracy, and ethical, humanitarian behavior, check.

What the heck is so "Extreme" about any of that?

Please, explain to me how this is bad for America? We've all seen how far down the drain the Far Right can bring us, so it's time to shift back to the center a bit.

That leftward movement isn't extreme, it's balance, dude.

The fact that you folks are still rumbling away on this thread, now that it's a day old, and your posts have trailed off into a disjointed string of nastiness that has nothing to do with the original topic amuses me greatly. It also confirms something I've suspected for a while : that a lot of the anti-Obama folks that post aren't looking for a conversation on the topics at hand, but are merely seeking a corner of the yard to mark and give voice to how terrified they are of him.

I understand the ones who don't support him, but some of you folks are so paranoid and shrill it makes you look nuts. Check yourself for a second. Read what you've been saying. Strip away the anger, take the facts you are using, and confirm them somewhere other than a conservative pundit site (Fox "news" anyone?). Now go back and strip out the facts you can't prove at all.

What's left is a cogent, fair argument against Obama. Stick to that from now on, and you might actually win some people over, instead of giving them the impression that your posting this from the bomb shelter of your survivalist compound in the wilderness. You only reaffirm our support of him that way, and cause more division than I think you intended (or did you?).

Just sayin'

Enough with the Politics! The president, the U.S. olympic athletes, and the american people need to completely boycott the Beijing Olympics. They are forcing people to move out of their homes to build for the Olympics. For our U.S. athletes to say "I'm not going to not go because it could ruin so many dreams" or "I will play with a conscience" is absolutely absurd. That is selfish for them to want to avoid a boycott for the sake of their dream. We are supporting a communist country by not boycotting.

"Incredably hostile media" is the truth.

This stand that Hillary is taking is an extension of her rather well developed and long standing (back to her speech before the United Nations as First Lady)view of China and Human Rights.

It is an unambiguous statement fo what is right and wrong and gives Bush the opportunity to do what is right. Experience helped guide the decision.

Obama's middle of the road attitude..."I'm of 2 minds" may also be teh result of his experience on Foreign Policy and human rights....Wright....college trip to Pakistan...someone hasn't fed me the answer yet...

As usual, hillary had no opinion on the boycott until she tested the political waters and Pelosi spoke first.
hillary and bill have never once made a decision without first gauging its public reaction. There aren't enough pollsters in America to run a clinton administration. Also, she now wants to boycott the olympics; China has no greater ally in the world than bill clinton. Where were her human rights concerns when bill paved the way for china to steal US jobs and secrets.

If Obama was in the U.S. Senate and spoke against the Iraq War vote and voted against it, then I would consider that a suitable comparison to how Hillary stood on that vote.
OBAMA WASN’T A SENATOR WHEN WE WENT TO WAR! Unless one is in a particular legislative body under the same conditions and factors, you cannot compare two decisions straight up. The question is who will make the right decisions from here on. Obama has told so many lies that he is not credible. Hillary ’08.

HILLARY CLINTON DID ASK PRESIDENT BUSH TO BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS. SHE ASKED HIM TO SKIP THE OPENING CEREMONIES.

FRANKLY, I DON’T THINK THIS WILL DO ANY GOOD.

CHINA HAS NEVER ADHERRED TO THE RULES OF THE UNITED NATIONS. WHETHER WE BOYCOTT, OR NOT, CHINA WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT.

HILLARY '08!

Clinton when asked about boycotting the olympics on march 25, 2008 at a press conference said she had no opinion on it.

This is so like Hillary. Pelosi has been calling for this for a long time and here comes Hillary to pretend like it was her idea.

When is the media going to call her out for this.

Pelosi and numerous House members are calling for the president to boycott, US am news (East Coast) featured stories on the torch run being disrupted in London and then later in Paris, the Dalai Lama is pleading w/is people to cease their violent activities. So why is Clinton's proposal for a boycott considered a ploy, rather than reacting to "news of the day"?!

The story is still false in its particulars. It is not just a matter of "sloppy" story telling; it is an outright untruth. In her blind ambition to build herself up and dupe people into voting for her, she shows a reckless disregard for the truth, and tries to make the media feel guilty when they discover her duplicity and expose her untruths. Who would be dumb enough to support someone who doesn't bother to give an accurate account of what is going on around her, and yet wants to put the button to start a thermonuclear war in her purse? Her playing loose with the truth, then trying to escape detection and accountability on technicalities is what made her such a dismal failure on her first go-round with health care reform. Clearly, she has learned nothing. SHAME ON YOU HILLIARY CLINTON!

At a March 25th press conference (where she said Jeremiah Wright would not have been her pastor), Clinton demurred when asked if the U.S. should boycott the Olympics. “Let’s wait on that; I don’t have an opinion on that,” Clinton said with a look of uncertainty when asked if the U.S. should avoid the Olympics.

(as NBC's John Boxley and Mark Murray report)

Let's repeat that quote:

"I don't have an opinion on that."

Jake-
I think the president has a responsibility to take this opportunity to see for himself what is happening there and assess the "straight talk factor" from the Chinese government.Although I think Nancy Polosi should join him. He should encourage our athletes to follow their own conscience on the issue. Then report back to his boss. Us. The ideals he based as a reason for invasion of Iraq are the same brought to light here between China and Tibet. He should acknowledge that not responding to this would undermine most of the ethical arguments he has used for justification of our current two front war, and the basic promoted ideals of his administration. Considering his recent meeting with Putin and the lack of success in convincing them to allow a missile site in Euope, making an outright statement against China could ignite a warm flame of contentment between the two countries,Both have similar issues with province unrest. Considering Russia's situation with Germany over oil, I can understand why Russia would not want us having more stability in our defense of resources in the middle east.Now you have China's relationship with Africa and the underdeveloped resources there, well that is a pickle. It is the same reason we avoided getting involved before and if we do now we don't have the appropriate financial situation or man power to back any "suggestions" to the Chinese. I think he should be aware of his role as political and social observer there and report back to us on what he feels about the plight of the people,what he sees as shortcuts to global acceptance at the expense of its people and the world environment. Especially with their development ties to Africa. This will affect the entire world. Call upon China to work with others to update their methods to sustainable ones-we are financing much change through our consumerism. He doesn't want our people choosing to leave China out of our market regardless of government standing. He should tell us of great hope and desired partnership with China in the future to help bring education and standards of living to it's people and it's investments in Africa for the better of all countries. To put forth the idea of a more contented, productive workforce as a benefit to China's future, much as it has been to India. Finally I think he should not be happy to meet them, he should be serious, and cordial. If we don't go to this party we wont be invited back for a while, and that could be devastating there,here, in Russia and in Africa. You know who would follow and... the point is why would he do anything but. He has created enough unresolved issues for his follow up and needs to have as little contact as possible with Russia or China before he is out of office. I do not want him dealing with this situation. It has been going on for a long long time, he cant do anything but mildly speak against it, I would prefer someone fresh take this one on if they can first root out our own corruption and questions of democracy, then I think our government could take a stronger stand, yet everyone knows, you do not want to get into a troops war with China, so the others options to deal with conflict there would end up globally cataclysmic. We are seeing a part of the world that holds more history dear than we our children in some cases. Do not poke the sleeping dragon. just come tell us what it looks like so our children have more funny quotes to read from this president.

becky,

I LIVE in ILLINOIS!!!

I KNOW Rezko's broken down tenements!

I've seen families staying in stores til closing time to avoid their freezing apartments!

This is just one of the rotten things that occurred under B O's watch.

One of his "earmarks" ($1,000,000) wound up at Michelle's hospital.... and suddenly she was awarded a fat raise!

That's just another.

There is a Laundry List of Obama's Lies floating around; someone tried to erase it but others "copied" before it could be obliterated.

Yes!

Eyes SHOULD be opened!

Obama is nobody's friend but his own.

He is not out to help anyone but himself.

You do yourself an injustice by following him.

Hillary has a problem with "truth". She just can't tell it!

surelock,

Ernst is dead. ;-)

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While I can't disagree that Clinton's campaign was poorly run, I still find her to be the candidate of choice BECAUSE despite the caliber of snipes and slander directed her way by BOmaniacs.... SHE's the one who has achieved the most when it comes to welfare and healthcare for our country.

She may not be as smooth talking as B O
but she is the only one who can provide true SOLUTIONS for the rockyh terrain of the next four years!

SO....

GIVE 'EM HELL, HILLARY!!!!!

A question for Becky

I'd like to hear more about those bills Obama passed that helped all those poor people. Could you elaborate.

And while you're at it, please tell us how he passed the bills without the help of the rest of congress.

Curious minds want to know1

No one is calling for the athletes to boycott, only that the President not attend the opening ceremony. While this might seem like an appropriate response to the blatant crackdown currently going on in China, our President has no choice but to attend. Even though no one in polite circles will say it, this will be seen around the world as America's humiliation. We will be effectively be kowtowing to China. They own our debt and they can effectively use it as ransom. If they feel insulted, they can decide they don't want dollars anymore and convert their investments to Euros. That would devastate our, and much of the worlds economies. Because of our already fragile economic situation they won't even have to do anything that extreme to make us feel the pain. So we will have to endure the humiliation. In 8 years, we have gone from the world's only superpower, to this.

Probably tested well in some poll or focus group.

I wonder how much she paid Penn for the Polling Data that backs up this call.

The ONLY responsible thing to do is boycott the whole affair. History DEMANDS it.
Though I doubt that Clinton would be willing to go that far. It might cost her some votes and as we all know, that is the only thing that matters to her.
She should be ashamed to be using the dead in Tibet to further her own sick cause.

The lies you say Obama has told are in fact lies that Hillary has started and we find out later that indeed they are just that....A LIE from Hillary...you guys need to read and follow the news a little closer then you have been.