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Charlie Cook: Clinton in "Political Purgatory"
April 24, 2008 5:23 PM
"The good news for Hillary Rodham Clinton is that she’s winning a lot of battles," the essay writes. "The bad news is that the war is pretty much lost."
The column is from well-respected Beltway prognosticator Charlie Cook.
"If this contest were still at the point where momentum, symbolism, and reading tea leaves mattered, Clinton would be in pretty good shape," he writes. "Everything she has needed to happen is happening now. Obama is getting tougher press coverage and critical examination. He’s also getting rattled a bit, and he didn’t perform well in the recent debate in Philadelphia. Clinton is winning in big, important places."
But, Cook notes, "it's happening about three months too late."
Cook says that in some ways "Clinton has spent the past six weeks in a horrible situation. How do you quit a race when you’re still winning primaries? ...But even in victory, she isn’t getting any closer to securing the nomination. This political purgatory will continue if she manages to win Indiana but loses North Carolina — hard to drop out but harder to see winning the nomination. If she loses in both states, then her campaign’s donors and creditors, as well as superdelegates and party leaders, are likely to intervene. But that can’t happen as long as she continues to win."
Cook is of course not always correct. (Perhaps most glaringly, he declared Sen. John McCain's campaign dead prematurely, saying "the physicians have pulled up the sheet; the executors of the estate are taking over.")
But his occasional evidence of fallibility notwithstanding, he's pretty astute, far, far more than I am, it likely goes without saying.
And his harsh assessment will no doubt be widely circulated among superdelegates who know and respect Cook.
- jpt
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If Obama is nominated the Republicans have it in the bag and they know it. It amazes me how stupid they think the American public is. Do you honestly think people with good sound common sense would vote Obama in. If you put him up against McCain....better hope McCain has a good VP. An elderly gentleman 80 years old, Veteran, white, told me he could never see himself vote for anyone that didn't respect the American Flag. He stated he's fought in two wars for this country and doesn't like Obama not because he's black but, because he's not patriotic. Said how could you trust a man to protect the United States if he doesn't even respect the United States. Now he is the voting generation. The faithful voter.
Posted by: Mgck59 | Apr 26, 2008 7:01:02 PM
At first I was very much & still disappointed with Pelosi, Dean, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy, in backing Senator Obama.
But the opportunity to really turn this country around and get back to doing the work of the American People has never been clearer.
We've currently have McCain & Clinton both with 35 years of consorting with Big Business & Lobbyist and amassing large fortunes just to prove it. While the rest of us have become part of their FOOD CHAIN. This clearly shows me what 35 years of experience can do for them and they're not complaining.
Pelosi, Dean, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy, are not without fault, but in reality are doing the right thing. McCain or Clinton just toss a coin - heads they win & tails you lose again. Our jobs are going overseas, higher costs for the consumers. We just can't afford either one of them to continue to guard the hen house.
Posted by: Fooled ya | Apr 26, 2008 6:06:09 AM
I understand that the Republicans want Hillary because they know they can beat her and have years of dirt on her. So the pundits say.
That in reality is only half right. McCain is in the same capacity. They both have 35 years of experience in Washington with similar ideologies. On their watch we seen our jobs go overseas, rising costs of living on their watch. Lobbyists love them both, the Media's darlings. The way they swindle the People.
Why would either one of them want a real change in the way business is done on Capital Hill. They've been doing quite well for themselves and lobbyist friends , thank you!
When Mr. Obama came to Washington and now has a chance to bring about a real change, they both become quite upset. Their big contributing Lobbyist Friends have put them under a lot of pressure.
So why have both Hillary & McCain come together fighting to keep Obama out of the White House? You've got it! Heads they win - Tails we lose! Just maintain the Status Quo at all costs. So SAD!
Posted by: Fooled ya | Apr 26, 2008 5:46:14 AM
The Republicans want Hillary as the nominee because they know they can beat her and have years of dirt on her. Any Democrat who can't see that and doesn't have the brains to have figured that one out need to be certified mentally deficient and put in a care home.
Posted by: Jeff | Apr 26, 2008 1:48:28 AM
Pelosi, Dean, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy, Leahy and Richardson are all "HAS BEENS". Their political careers have been placed on the line by their ignorance in backing a freshman senator with zero to no world experience; who has a 17-20 year history with his personal mentor who is a racist, bigot reverend; and hangs with guys named Rezko and Ayers.
Obama is too "green" behind the ears to succeed as the President of 2008 issues. He has NO strategic plans to address this nation and world's problems. In Fact, his policies now reflect the Hillary Clinton policies....how peculiar.
Just like his "second hand' speeches...he cannot think for himself. First he acts two-faced with no integrity re: Rev. Wright (or is it Wrong????) then he steals like a thief just to get elected. WE HAVE 50 STATES --- NOT 48.
Americans should not stand back silently. Silence is acceptance. I refuse to do this blindly and with just plain "HOPE" that it will be alright.
Hillary all the way!!
Posted by: Concerned American | Apr 25, 2008 11:49:12 AM
Shawn I'm a 52 year old woman I can say what I want... I am embarrassed to have the likes of an Obama and his bag of tricks represent me or my people and, don't you think I'm alone. They talk about the blacks supporting Obama but, what they fell to tell you is that 14% less voted in this primary than past primary's. I find him sickening to have even played my people in the media the way he has. Oh and Rev. Wright I know about him too. Have known about him since the 80's. That crap he's trying to feed the American people that those speeches were 15, 6, and 7, years ago is just that. I have heard tapes that were recorded as early as last year. I don't feel like this grown man playing with my intelligance. He needs to get over himself.
Posted by: Mgck59 | Apr 25, 2008 10:46:47 AM
Mgck, you sound like a child, what is with all the name calling. You call Michelle Obama a little, what is really going on with you? Does your mother know that you are on the computer?
Posted by: Shawn | Apr 25, 2008 10:37:56 AM
Hillary is unelectable
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | Apr 25, 2008 10:30:02 AM
Catamandua--yes, I will support Hillary if she wins. I am sorry that I did not include the Obama supporters in my comments, but my concern is that there are so many Clinton supporters that are saying they will not vote for Obama, vs. the number of Obama supporters that say they will not vote for Clinton in the exit polls, but I agree that I should have made it clearer that all should be included in my comments. We all need to get behind the one that wins the nomination because if we don't, then we all lose.
Posted by: Ann, MO | Apr 25, 2008 10:20:20 AM
Everyone has an opinion. And my opinion FWIW is that Florida and Michigan will have to be counted/after a revote primary. Those people can not be left out of the political process. If that is done then once and for all this can be put to bed. As for Cook, of course, he has his right to say this but it is only his opinion.
In the long run we are known by the company we keep. No matter what we say, once the nominee is selected/elected that will reveal how americans felt about all these issues.
So far we have existed in a Patriarchical society, with Nancy Pelosi getting SOTH...that has caused some kind of a shift and for me, I want to see a female President ...Hillary has Brains, Beauty and Ballz and she has weathered many storms. Obama is still being tested, he is brilliant, a fine speaker,,,,even if using teleprompters, handsome, likeable but it bothers me that his name used to be Barry S........and then he changed it to Barrack Hussein Obama and decides to run for the highest office in the land and if his middle name is used we get anxious. How would this play out if he was elected POTUS. Would we ever be able to be critical of him without being accused of being racist. This to me is a huge stumbling block. And the other huge block is how the Right Wing Zealots will portray him if the nominee. You are known by the company you keep. Will some smarmy twit be following his every move, will some crazy go ballistic and do something horrendous, will the convention get ugly ala 1968, how is this candidate going to bring us together if his very candidacy is so polarizing.
Posted by: LL Barra | Apr 25, 2008 10:19:15 AM
In reality Hillary or Obama could both probably beat mcmore-war. No party has ever held onto the white house during an election year when there was a recession. More and more people are realizing that we are in a recession now and we don't want to head toward a depression. Obama is the best person to start cleaning up the mess the whole bush-league has caused. Obama 2008!
Posted by: pt | Apr 25, 2008 10:17:25 AM
Hillary and Bill are reaching for straws and trying to fool the people in NC and IN it wont work the American people are fed up with the Clintons, Bushs, and the old sneaky McCain Bush want-to-be politics as usual. The American people are to smart for that and will turn the page. The Talk Radio Conservatives "Shook Jocks" want the American people to believe that their for Hillary but they want the fight between Hillary and Obama to continue until November to try and make McBush look good that want work either.
Obama's state wins 30 lost 15, Delegate count 1715 +/-, Negatives are way down, Better nominee
Clinton's state wins 15 lost 30, Delegate count 1585 +/-, Negatives way up. Not a good nominee.
Fund Raising Obama beats Clinton or McCain Expediently.
Registering new voters Obama beats Clinton or McCain.
Bring the country together Obama beats Clinton or McCain.
Overall, Obama beats Clinton or McCain.
Race against McCain, Obama better nominee.
Obama all the way!
Posted by: Lookup | Apr 25, 2008 9:59:00 AM
David H
Who can beat Mccain?
Obama has beaten Hillary in the primary.
Obama BEAT THE CLINTON in the democratic party...where hillary's odds were a heck of a lot greater than the general.
He chances go down significantly in the genral with her favorabilities...
She could not beat OBama...and now you argue that she is better suited to beat mCCain
her strength was with dems... what happens to her chances when you intorduce independents and republicans...they go down.
This argument again... either it is oblivious shouting anger ...that skipped reason or again just dumb.
If she is such a great fighter why did she lose in her own party! where not a single scandal was brought up from her entire lists of scandals.
She had a low ceiling to begin with (just over 50%) and now she has pissed off half of her own party...how the heck do you make the jump that she is the better nominee to beat McCain
oh I see by trashing the only other candidate that will help end the war, fight to focus on the economy...the one candidate that people's all over the world will celebrate the night of the Presidency if we elect him.
but you all want your candidate elected so bad you feel you need to trash him however you can (including ways McCain the republican opponent has come out against) to bring him lower than your candidate.
Guess what it may work to bring him down...but he will never be less electable than Hillary...
Yeah it's about the welfare of the country and these issues...yeah right.
Posted by: dl | Apr 25, 2008 9:54:43 AM
Clintons are just using wishful thinking. Based on what is Obama not electable? Based on what is Hilliary more electable?
Obama is leading Hillary in the GE polls Is leading McCain In the Ge polls and is leading Hillary in the primary.
Based on what is Hillary doing better?
Come on give me some facts, some base on which to come to the same opinion as you.
Without some fact it is just an opinion, useless argument.
Obmama 08
Posted by: Thinking | Apr 25, 2008 9:44:25 AM
calli
most impartial pundits have said that despite hillary and her fans in the state and other... fanning the flames and her hypocrisy...
when the general comes yes ...Florida may screw up the dem vote but that has more to do with Florida's democratic leadership than it does with Barack Obama.
yes many of Hillary's supporters may sit it out...and that could hurt them...but it may make a difference when thew ar is being proposed to continue and it looks like we may be looking at expanding our military initiatives into other countries rather than shrinking
The Floridians aren't stupid as you all want to make them out to be.
and Michigan has almost an entire democrat system ...governor, and state officials...you think that a state like that is going to go for mccain? in this horrible year?
this is just again...dumb
are more afraid this year of being homeless or poverty stricken or destitute when they get older...and theri are too many reasons why Mccain's fear argument doesn't work for him (the nonfocus on Bin laden, that terrorist are recruitting faster ebcause of our image getting worse in the world and another bush foreign policy supporter is not going to get us away fromthat)
This argument will be a non starter...
Hillary has lost (and if she has lost in the dem primary with it being the one place she had strength in her favorability numbers...she would have never had a chance in the general fighter or not)...if you all want to tear down the one candidate who will get us out of this mess go ahead...
but it's dumb. yes as "elitist" as that statement may be...
it is dumb.
Posted by: dl | Apr 25, 2008 9:42:15 AM
You are right Calli, there is no place for rules in our society. People should just be able to make stuff up as they going along, or at least until it give them an advantage. Did Hillary voice any concern about not counting FL and MI at the beginning? End of discussion.
Posted by: Shawn | Apr 25, 2008 9:40:23 AM
David, if those same numbers that you are now discrediting were in favor of your candidate, you would not have any problems with them. Your opinion is that Obama cannot win, you are entitled to that. I respect you for it, this is America, we can have whatever opinion we desire. However, those numbers that you are attempting to discount mean the more people are of the opinion that Obama is the better candidate.
It is the Hillary campaign that is trying to distort numbers to make her the overall vote leader.
She wants to count Fl and MI, but not the caucuses. Wow!
Posted by: Shawn | Apr 25, 2008 9:37:44 AM
When they are not calling Hillary all kinds of foul names the Obamacans resort to "It's the numbers. She can't win because of the numbers." It's not about the numbers, it's about who can beat McCain. The delegate numbers we have come from a nominating process with rules more arcane than the rules for Dungeons and Dragons. (Dungeons and Dragons is a role playing game favored by teenagers, with incredibly complex rules that get argued over for hours.) How can the nominating rules makes sense if Hillary won the popular vote in Texas but received fewer delegates? Also, how relevant is the delegate count, or the popular vote count, if you do not count Florida? Yeah, I know, the rules say you cannot count Florida. Well, I say the rules are wrong. The rules are there to help nominate a candidate who can win. They are not there for the sole purpose of helping the Democratic party drive over a cliff.
Posted by: David H | Apr 25, 2008 9:33:14 AM
Hillary is unelectable
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | Apr 25, 2008 9:32:14 AM
Calli, do you make this stuff up as you go along? Your responses are comical. Please provide one credible source to support what you just posted. Please know that the DNC and the candidates agreed to not count those states well a year before the primaries started. Hillary did not voice any protest at that time. She did not first mention any outrage until after super tuesday, coincidence? I think not.
Posted by: Shawn | Apr 25, 2008 9:29:51 AM
The Clinton team is just like the New England Patriots last season, crowned champions before the season started, everyone said they couldn't lose and no one dared even try.
Her campaign is, and will, end like the Pats did with an effort that was too little too late.
It does make for some good post analysis articles though.
Posted by: Richard | Apr 25, 2008 9:25:04 AM
Hillary did not take her name off the ballot in MI because she was angry at the DNC for punishing MI and FL for moving their primaries up, when Iowa, NH, SC and Nevada did as well, and they were not punished. Because Hillary left her name on the ballot in MI, Iowans were FURIOUS with her, and it hurt her in the caucus - as well as the fact that IOWA HAS NEVER ELECTED A WOMAN TO ANYTHING! But now, given that the race is so close, and the PEOPLE OF MI and FL ARE ASKING THAT THEIR VOTES AND VOICES BE HEARD you are saying that it fits Obama's message of "UNITY" by not allowing revotes in MI and FL - and everyone including the NYT has reported that Obama is blocking the revotes. Obama is running away and hiding from debating, revotes, and answering tough questions about character and connections. If Obama is too wimpy to handle this, if he isn't tough enough to campaign in MI and FL and try and FIGHT for Americans the way HILLARY WILL FIGHT FOR AMERICANS, then why should anyone vote for Obama in the GE? Obama will never win if his politics of change is to push through radical, liberal left wing ideas. Moveonorg. and Obama should moveon out of the primary and quit hurting the democratic party!
GO HILLARY! Obama is a wimp. Afraid to debate a girl.
Posted by: calli | Apr 25, 2008 9:25:00 AM
The arguement could be made that Obama voters decided to stay home in Florida because they knew that it would not count. It was agreed by all Dem candidates that it would not count. No need to change the rules at this point. It would be different if Hillary had went on record as saying how unfair it would be, but she did not. She had no problem with it because she assumed that the nomination was hers because her last name is Clinton.
Posted by: Shawn | Apr 25, 2008 9:20:52 AM
And Hillary is afraid of "Sniper-Fire."
Posted by: pt | Apr 25, 2008 9:19:20 AM
I stand by what I said... if the Democrats want a landslide defeat in November, they'll nominate Obama. Just like they did McGovern in '72. Read it and weep!
Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 25, 2008 9:18:20 AM
Calli, so you are saying that it is Obama that is keeping Fl and MI from revoting? Are you sure? Where did you get that from? Was it not disenfrachisement when Hillary signed and agreed that FL and MI did not count. Had she come out ahead on super tuesday like she thought, she would have never mentioned those states.
Do you not acknowledge that point?
Posted by: Shawn | Apr 25, 2008 9:16:54 AM
I am proud to be a supporter of Hillary Clinton. In fact, I'm one of the thousands of new donors just after her PA victory.
What got me was imagining who will be stronger, more knowledgeable and better equipped to make the best decisions immediately (without having to consult countess people because of lack of knowledge, learning curve, etc...)
Obama does not give me a feeling of safety- he will cower in the corner when something happens. THAT is not the kind of president I want.
Posted by: MarkRoanakeRapids | Apr 25, 2008 9:14:30 AM
Obama is afraid of brand new primaries being held in Fl and MI.
Obama is afraid of debates.
Obama is afraid of reporters asking questions.
Posted by: geevill | Apr 25, 2008 9:13:15 AM
If Obama does not allow a revote in MI or FL or count the votes, then this primary will be looked at as Election 2000 repeat - Obama steals the election. But that fits Obama's election MO, he cheats and uses dirty tricks to win! What is Obama so afraid of by allowing two huge states to vote? The democrats living in FL and MI didn't make these stupid decisions affecting democracy, the idiots at the DNC did? Why does Obama want to punish the people he claims "that we can do it together?" If Obama is listening to "his people" they are asking to vote! What happened to "Americans doing it with Obama together"? Obama is just all BS and we all get it. Threaten to riot, bully, do whatever it takes to get Obama the nomination, but he won't win in November because Hillary supporters will vote for McCain. That slow drip, drip you hear is Obama bleeding from the mortal wound of Rev. Wright. Hate and racism are so 1960's. Moveonorg. is the POLITICS OF THE NEOCONS - LIBERAL VERSION!
Hillary is going to the convention!!!!
Go Hillary 08!!
Posted by: calli | Apr 25, 2008 9:11:41 AM
Calli looking at the numbers ...to say that Obama won just because of AA...is like saying Hillary only got her votes because women 50 and over (a much larger population) voted for someone that looked like them.
There will always be a certain amount of population that is swayed by population... there are a lot more racists than their are African Americans...
and there are as many people effected by sexism as there are people voting for Hillary because she is a woman.
This argument is a moot point.
The only difference is Hillary outwardly uses her being a woman to garner votes.
Obama only uses his "race" or combination of races (that he is both black and white) to answer the claims and accusations on the other side that he is racist or that he is using his blackness...
and you can't find me a clip that says otherwise.
Posted by: dl | Apr 25, 2008 9:08:06 AM
It is all over, the nomination is over, Obama won and what is happening now is only the side show for us and the media to enjoy. I bet it will be Obama- Clinton against Mccain-Romney in Nov 4, 2008.
Posted by: alexis compton | Apr 25, 2008 9:04:39 AM
calli wrote, "Who said Hillary had to "win" by 10 points to "win" - the biased media, the pundits? Only in Obama land can Hillary's win be labeled a loss, and Obama's loss, be labeled a win. Wimpy loser."
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Well Calli, she did win, but she only picked up 8 pledged delegates. That does not put much of a dent in Obama's lead. I assume you are talking about Fl and Michigan again also. Do you not acknowledge the fact that Hillary was not thinking about either state until after her beat down on super tuesday. At this point, I am almost willing to say just give her Florida, but there is no way in H E L L, that she should be Michigan in her column.
Posted by: Shawn | Apr 25, 2008 9:00:07 AM
It is Hillary that can't close the deal...Obama is taking down the machine.
Change is hard.
Change is even harder when people have fought for the clintons in a defensive position for 15 years.
Posted by: dl | Apr 25, 2008 8:59:33 AM
So now Democrats will be held hostage by the Affirmative Action plan for electing our nominee. Thank you DNC. Since Obama and his wife aren't grateful for their Ivy League educations, do you think they'll be grateful for being handed a nomination that is not won with all 50 states participating, and superdelegates votes are threatened, bullied and bought? Since Obama will lose in the GE, will the AA threaten to riot like 1968 then in order to guilt and frighten Americans into giving Obama the presidency? This is the real politics of fear.
PS - Who said Hillary had to "win" by 10 points to "win" - the biased media, the pundits? Only in Obama land can Hillary's win be labeled a loss, and Obama's loss, be labeled a win. Wimpy loser.
Posted by: calli | Apr 25, 2008 8:53:30 AM
Geevil
Obama beat HILLARY in HER OWN PARTY.
How do you think Hillary would have won the general where her favorables and pluses are a half ...maybe a third of what they were in the primary? She lost with double triple the chances...
so you all are arguing that SHE is the better nominee?
Obama BEAT the CLINTONS ...in the their OWN PARTY. How in the heck are you people typing this stuff with a straight face.
If she can't win with just DEMOCRAT voters and beat Obama...and you think Obama couldn't win ...who has higher favorables amongst those outside the party... how would she ever be a better case to win with independents and republicans thrown in...
are you thinking at all before you make that argument or is it just going from that angry space of wanting your nominee straight to your keyboard ...surpassing the logic part of the brain?
Posted by: dl | Apr 25, 2008 8:44:46 AM
HoosierSue
lol
Obama is not George McGovern. Hillary and Mccain may be part of the machine like Nixon... but Obama is not McGovern.
and hopefully we have learned... and can use that argument you just brought up...
Look what the country got for voting for Nixon.
This IS just a case of not necessarily "older" Americans being nervous...but "Old school" politics holding sway over choices ...people not recognizing that they have made choices like these before... it is out of this thought process safety on the old school party that we have failed... Bill Clinton was not part of that old school party when he won. Al Gore was (though I love him as a candidate for the President and wish he was the President) John Kerry was...
We have always won when we choose the right nominee not the embedded in the party loyalist nominee.
It is hard to change... that is why Obama is a better fighter.
He beat the Clintons in their own party where here favorables were sky high at the beginning...now you think she is going to win when HE beat HER in her own party ... and she is best in the general where her favorables are below the floor?
I don't care if it sounds "elistist" ...that's dumb.
so the way you convince everyone that Hillary is better is to trash the real candidate of your own party to try and bring his lower than hers? the guy who is the only other person running carrying the torch for these issues?
again...dumb.
Posted by: dl | Apr 25, 2008 8:37:34 AM
Well-respected, but seeldom right.
How's that President Kerry prediction working out for Cook? or the McCain is finished prediction?
Obama would lose a national Democrat primary.
Posted by: geevill | Apr 25, 2008 8:35:39 AM
We will see how she fairs on a equal playing field. I give her credit for holding serve in PA, by any means necessary. However, she clearly does not have the best interest of the party at heart, because it is clear that she cannot win, at least not honestly. She is too far behind and is she is given the nomination at the convention, the Democrats can forget about this election.
Posted by: Shawn | Apr 25, 2008 8:13:35 AM
I just do not understand it. PA was a tailor made state for Hillary. She should have won, she has roots there, grandfather played for Penn State. Had the Mayor of Philly (who was actually no help, since she was destroyed there), the vast majority of other mayors, the governor, and others on her side. She was a 20+ point favorite going in. Yet she won by 9.3% points. Come on now, she basically held serve in PA.
She does not have those home grown factors supporting her in NC or Indiana.
Posted by: Shawn | Apr 25, 2008 8:11:02 AM
Hope Sen Clinton bears in mind that it is not about the party but about the COUNTRY.
Hope she delivers this country from an RHETORICALLY GIFTED SCARY unknown or from a BUSH SURROGATE.
Posted by: politicsIsdirty | Apr 25, 2008 8:02:30 AM
I agree with Charlie. It all comes down to Indiana. If Hillary loses IN and NC she should drop out immediately. If she wins IN she'll probably stay in till June but will then realize it's best for the party to drop out. Either way the democrats will realize that politically both candidates are very similar and they will need to get behind Obama to take the White House. Obama 2008!
Posted by: pt | Apr 25, 2008 7:08:08 AM
obama is just a walking marxist scandal.
every time you turn around it's something else.
there will be more and more.
by november, he'll be in a fetal position.
couldn't happen to a more deserving marxist.
Posted by: so saddened | Apr 25, 2008 4:26:40 AM
All the young supporters of Barack Obama who view Hillary supporters as old timers who shouldn't have a say in the political process need to read about a man named George McGovern who ran for president in 1972. All the young "never trust anyone over 30" crowd supported him, and they joined with the left wing of the party (blacks, gays, women's libbers, hippies) to push him through as the nominee. In the general election, he only won one state in a landslide defeat to Richard "I am not a crook" Nixon.
And of course it should be noted that the Superdelegates were formed so that a McGovern disaster never again felled the Democratic Party.
Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 25, 2008 3:02:07 AM
By right Hillary should be out of the race now .She had to win PA by double digits and she did not. But in order to keep her in the race the MSM reported it as a 10 point win, when it was a 9.2 according to PA state site,and 9.3 according to CNN.Obama did stop her in PA.Maybe thats why he has been gaining SD.
Obama 08!
Posted by: merle7 | Apr 25, 2008 2:43:41 AM
Lol @ this guy who says Obama is more electable.
Not today he aint.
This other guy goes thru a long diatribe tap dancing SELECTED states and SELECTED stats.
Go see for yourself all 50 states.
Posted by: tomdavie | Apr 25, 2008 2:36:45 AM
here, here, westcoastmessenger-yes let's march to the convention.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Apr 25, 2008 2:34:32 AM
Hey Time For,
The fact that more working class Democrats have pulled the lever for Obama, given your claims, is rather surprising isn't it? What does that say about Obama then? He can't close the deal because he's out of touch!
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Hillary, let's march all the way to the convention!
We've got your back in a floor fight!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 25, 2008 2:22:16 AM
nor Obama nor Hillary Clinton will reach the 2025 delegates needed to win, there is no rule that says that the candidate with more delegates wins the nomination unless they reach 2025. It is not a math dilemma it is a dilemma about who can win the general election. Obama is unelectable. Senator Clinton can defeat McCain.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | Apr 25, 2008 2:18:29 AM
timeforthemtogo. the way i remember it hillary has said that nafta needs to be re-negotiated. the way i remember it, it was obama staff that told canada that obamas stated position on nafta was political posturing, wink, wink, don't worry.
as far as abortion the way i remember it, is both obama and hillary share the same position on abortion. so what you have left is what, they made money? at least they were respectful enough to show up take time off the campaign and welcome the pope at the white house reception, unlike obama.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Apr 25, 2008 1:56:16 AM
More Good News for Hillary-The Blue Collar Workers know that Bill & Hillary supported NAFTA and fought to give China Special Trade Status. Our jobs disappeared & went out of the Country. If they know better and don't have the courage to do the right thing. I guess things won't get better for the faithful blue collars by their own admission. Bill & Hillary made 110,000,000 million dollars during this time. I don't hear them complaining as Hillary says IT"S ALL ABOUT ME!
The Roman Catholics are just enchanted with the Clintons. Once upon a time President had the opportunity to sign the partial birth abortions bill into law not ONCE but TWICE he vetoed this. The Pope came to speak to Clinton during this time to plead his case for the brutal, skull smashing brain sucking form of killing our babies. This didn't bother Bill or have any lasting trauma on the Catholics. It seems that they've bonded together even closer now. What does all this amount up to?
I guess about 110,000,000 dollars for the Clintons. They seem to be doing quite well and the Roman Catholics get autographed pictures of Bills historical Vetoing of the Bill and they both seem quite content with their place in History.
Posted by: Time for them to go | Apr 25, 2008 1:32:15 AM
Those Political Pundints that think if obama wins the nomination everyone will come around and support obama are as stupid as believeing Pennsylvanias' exit Polls. What they are not taking into account is the DNC has alienated two states, treated Hillary unfairly, and sucked up to obama when there could have been a revote. That helped lose me. But, even before that I had listed Candidates in order of who I would vote for in the GE and tust me obama was down the list. obama does not reflect any of my values. I don't care if he is green, orange, black, or pink, but,anyone that tries to buy an election ,or, anyone that is supported by Maria Shriver, Ted Kennedy, and John Kerry would never get my vote. Anyone that thinks obama is the second coming of JFK is just stupid. Great orator my keester, if its not memorized its uh uh uh uh uh and no one whines like he does. Anyone that thinks Hillary is gonna drop out or quit fighting for the nomination has their head stuck where the sun don't shine. Hillary'08
Posted by: Beau | Apr 25, 2008 1:30:31 AM
Democracy is alive the people decide.
thank you pennsylvania for setting the record straight-obama you cannot buy this election. and all your fat-cat party bosses, and endorsers pelosi, kennedy, kerry, richardson, dean, start packing we are coming for you next. by trying to shove 'your' candidate down our throats you divided the party, alienated your base, and doomed any chance of a democrat win in november. put the blame where it belongs people instead of on each other. now they are trying to blame negative campaign tactics and the candidates to deflect attention away from them-the party opportunistic hotshots blew it.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Apr 25, 2008 1:19:42 AM
Let's play by the rules folks...take it to the convention!
Posted by: LOM | Apr 25, 2008 12:36:45 AM
Wellican,
You are the only yokel perpetrating that particular math myth. The important thing to focus on is the why. It just leaves a bitter taste doesn't it, the Obama loss. Obama could not close the deal!
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Obama and BitterGate, we'll never forget!
Obama is out of touch with small town voters! (He's a lousy bowler too!)
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 25, 2008 12:33:03 AM
Vanessa,
Your boss Obama said it was up to the media to reflect the popular vote count. Fact is, ABC News shows it both ways. I know you don't want to respect the voters in Michigan and Florida, you say that would be against the rules. So be it. Let's put it this way then. If you add the voters that have not been disenfranchised, with those that were disenfranchised because the Republican party broke the rules, more Democrats have pulled the lever for Hillary Clinton. You can take that fact and shove it where the sun don't shine my friend.
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SuperDelegates, just say no to bonehead Dean.
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 25, 2008 12:29:16 AM
TCG,
You with the burnin' house theory. The implication is that somehow Obama owns the house. It's not Obama's house my friend. If you check the votes, more Democrats have pulled the lever for Hillary, whether those votes are respected are not. The only house gettin' burnt down is the one the working class Democrats live in. Surprisingly, their not riding horses and bearing torches this time around, their ridin' limousines and totin' lattes, but they look just like a pack of Zombies.
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Obama, completely out of touch with the working class voters!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 25, 2008 12:24:55 AM
Since Mr. Obama pressed the issue of tax returns....did anybody notice that in 2007, the year he earned the $4.2 million, his meager, but largest contributions were to ONLY black charities? Cheap and racist.
Posted by: PGHPAVOTER | Apr 25, 2008 12:16:33 AM
"Obama has yet to prove that he can
win a General Election."
I'm guessing that you just didn't notice that he has already won several general elections? State Senator, U.S. Senator from Illinois, like that?
Posted by: Lee C. ― U.S.A. | Apr 25, 2008 12:10:05 AM
Two-cats:
Obama Won Texas!
Obama 98, Clinton 95!
Posted by: reaganfan | Apr 25, 2008 12:09:14 AM
Very good point: "Cook is of course not always correct. (Perhaps most glaringly, he declared Sen. John McCain's campaign dead prematurely, saying "the physicians have pulled up the sheet; the executors of the estate are taking over.")
... Hillary Clinton has defied almost every political journalist in this primary. It is not over, until it is over. Obama has yet to prove that he can win a General Election. And from what I am hearing many of the people who have voted for him are now regretting it.
Posted by: Jesus Francisco Cardenas | Apr 25, 2008 12:03:59 AM
So now Democrats will be held hostage by the Affirmative Action plan for electing our nominee. Thank you DNC. Since Obama and his wife aren't grateful for their Ivy League educations, do you think they'll be grateful for being handed a nomination that is not won with all 50 states participating, and superdelegates votes are threatened, bullied and bought? Since Obama will lose in the GE, will the AA threaten to riot like 1968 then in order to guilt and frighten Americans into giving Obama the presidency? This is the real politics of fear.
Posted by: frisco girl | Apr 24, 2008 11:00:17 PM
The democratic party is full of dummies, including these superdelegates who still come out and support Obama after his heavy loss in Pennsylvania. It's absolutely naive to believe that Obama will win the general election if he's the nominee. So far, there are only two presidents from the democratic party who had been elected twice. What does this tell you? In this country, republicans have a very strong base. In order to beat them, the democratic party has to elect someone who is not too left wing, but moderate or slightly conservative candidate. Hillary Clinton is such a perfect example, that's why she can do so much better than Obama to cast catholic voters' votes. Plus, there are many conservatives would rather vote for a white woman than a black man with a middle name Hussain, who has ties with a controversial pastor and a radical underground member.
On top of that, Hillary's pragmatic and she has laid out many plans to fix the economy and many other issues that Americans desperately need to solve. She's much more experienced and knowledgeable, so if Mccain wants to debate her in issues, she's in a much better position. I just really don't understand what's in these democrats' mind? So stupid! I really prefer to be an independent.
Posted by: smartcookie2008 | Apr 24, 2008 10:58:35 PM
Thinking,
First, please don't fall in love with Polls... Kerry was polled to beat Bush in 2004 so you knew what happened then...
Second, Obama is unelectable because of his inexperience, his least strength, and he can't win white votes and other minority votes excluding AA...
Posted by: True Truth | Apr 24, 2008 10:28:52 PM
Ann from Mo,
I agree with you as long as there is reciprocity from Obama supports and Obama, himself. If Clinton wins the nomination, would you support her?
Posted by: Catamandua | Apr 24, 2008 10:20:49 PM
True Truth
Nothing else to use other than hearsay.
I have heard all about how Obama is not electable. Based on what? He leads Hillary today. And polls indicate he leads in the GE over McCain and Hillary.
So what do you and Hilary use other than wishful thinking?
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | Apr 24, 2008 10:20:14 PM
Most ultra liberal democrats don't care about all of baracks baggage:
-James Wright's "god damn America" sermon,
-Antoine' Rezco, got barak's campiagn started, jailed political fixer
-domestic terrorists Ayers and Dorhn
these guys blew up 25 bombs in the US
-bitter small town Americans
-HAMAS in the church bulletin
-he admitted smoking crakc / cocaine
but most mainstream americans / democrats do:
see PA OH vote results and if the media got on barack earlier, he would never have won the earlier states he did...
FOR 16 months hillary got hammered and obama got a free ride... now that some of his skeletons are out of the closet he can't win dem primary... look at his rresults with PA AND OH DEMOGRAHPICS
smells like mcgovern
and dukakis and gore and kerry.. the ultra liberal democrats are going to give the whouse to mccain...
PA PUTS CLINTON BACK ON TOP
FLORIDA and PENNSYLVANIA are identical demographically speaking.
Barack will be painted quite easily as less than american - wright, rezco, ayers, dohrn, farrakhan, HAMAS in the church bulletin, and the list goes on...
The republican dirty tricks bag is limitless and they can't kill hillary --- her ideas wont die.
Hillary got tough questions for 16 months as the front runner, now obama cant handle the heat unless its from the end of his pipe or cigarette.
no smoking in the whitehouse
and yes ... he admitted smoking CRack in his youth.... if hillary did, she would be gone a long time ago.... Hillary fired her campaign manager in NHampshire for talking about it.... though ..the republicans are going to grind him into soup meat, if he wins ...
u can't win in November
WHEN IT COUNTS THE MOST
with out FLORIDA
and PENNSYLVANIA
Obama is electorally doa.
Posted by: voter | Apr 24, 2008 10:19:30 PM
The Public school system ability to teach basic math skills has left some behind.
Why do some Hate MATH more than others?
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Apr 24, 2008 10:17:46 PM
"The good news for Hillary Rodham Clinton is that she’s winning a lot of battles," the essay writes. "The bad news is that the war is pretty much lost."
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One MINOR thing to notice: when MSM mentioned Hillary, sometimes they spell out the full name (including middle name)...
However, you never saw MSM did the same way to Obama.... Maybe MSM is afraid of his middle name or maybe even Obama is not proud of his middle name...
Every one should be proud of his or her own name because it ws given by the parents and there is nothing wrong with that...
So what are they or what is he afraid of????
Posted by: True Truth | Apr 24, 2008 10:11:55 PM
It is funny some one still tried to use OLD polls to demonstrate how strong his candidate was....
First, don't fall in love with POLLS.....
Second, the tide has turned...look at what happens now and will happen tomorrow...
Posted by: True Truth | Apr 24, 2008 10:00:35 PM
Gosh think he might be telling the American public the truth as opposed to coloring it the way you have Jack?
Again....say it after me....this race is won by DELEGATES...and the supers look at and are lead by the PUBLIC that votes them into office.....they will go with the majority. This race was over a month and a half ago and EVERYBODY who knows politics knew it.
I can post 6 instances where Wolfson stated it was a race for delegates..of course that was when Clinton was ahead...darn don't ya hate it when your words come back to bite ya?
While there may be a few supers who are so enjoying their 15 minutes of fame the majority of them will go with the person ahead in elected delegates, most states and the popular vote...yes even including FL and MI the Clinton campers are not even cpnsidering the caucus votes....and they are more that Obama has won and yes, those numbers have been sent to the delegates so the only ones still under the illusion that she has the popular votes are those they are still milking for money to pay the campaign debts. 10 million? That just caught her up to almost out of debt. She still owes 5 million more and you can bet the emails will be going out to try to get that paid too.
Go ahead and send her money LOL Actually those of us who know the facts? Are laughing out tails off.
Obama 08
Posted by: Brian | Apr 24, 2008 9:55:13 PM
the majority of the american voters are in political purgatory
Posted by: jgaw | Apr 24, 2008 9:54:42 PM
thinking,
Is Sen. clinton supposed to win the nomination for obama?
obama has had a pass from everybody,
and the THINKING people-say no-this man is interviewing for the most powerful job on the planet, he should be vetted,
held un