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Moveon boys blew off the Hillary supporters who were a big part of their base and that was a shot in the foot for them. Bye, Bye moveon. A lot us who supported moveon are moving on. Big mistake for the boys.

Moveon made the endorsement without majority agreement from it's members. That is something that bothered my friends who have been long time moveon supporters. Moveon isn't speaking for the majority of it's members which is the oddest part of it's endorsement.

Hillary cannot be trusted, just another example. She cannot even run her campaign, how can she run the country. I just read they are broke and owe money to the little guys... This whole thing is crazy. I would not want her in office trying to fix the economy...

Don't get fooled by Move On, an organization who is willing to put negative ads against another candidate in exchange for big bucks. Move On is unrealiable and should not be trusted.

I scolded one of Moveon.org members who called and asked me to donate money to Obama campaign last month! I told that person that Obama will never be my candidate! This flip flop guy will take his campaign down with his own image! Moveon.org has become a wicked tool for Democrat party! I did make mistake 4 years ago when I donated money for their candidate John Kerry....just to see him get smashed like potatoes by swift boat ads! Moveon.org has created the same image in this election: another flip flop! another empty promise!

Thanks for the invite, Jim, but I'll pass on boarding the Obama train. It's heading for a derailment.

I gave $300 to MoveOn before the primaries started. I wish I could take the money back.

I don't think that MoveOn should have endorsed a candidate before the nomination.

To be fair, about half the Democrats support Obama, and half support Hillary.

I'm voting for Nader.

The moveon.org is old news. What I'd like to know is just why did five members of the Joseph "mafia" Bananno crime family donate $2100 each to the McCain campaign. There's one you'll never hear on the "Hannity keep the KKK live and well show".

The Moveon story is old rehashed news. What I want to know is just why five members of the Joseph Bananno "mafia" family donated $2100 each to the John McCain campaign?

Obama, the dark knight of campaign tactics:

Clinton is a solid er er uh er darnit! She is a solid liar.

It's funny that Hillary was a fanatic supporter of moveon.org until they gave their endorsement to Obama; then she became a fanatic anti-moveon.org.

sandy,
actually the supreme court ruled you can have dual citizenship, but does not encourage it.

AMy Hillary 'won' NM by less then 1% of the vote - I live here - I worked the caucuses. Less then 1% of the vote is not an overwhemling win. Since Rihardsons's endoresement of Senator Obama and the hours and hours of canvessing I and others have done in my state, it is very likely that Senator Obama will carry NM in the GE. Voters who cast their ballots for Hillary in the caucuses now say they will vote for Senator Obama in the GE.

Dual citizenship - my grandson is going to be marrying a Canadian citizen - he has already checked on dual citizenship and has been told that holding dual citizenship is no longer possible for U. S. citizens.

Where are the men? Are the men even here? Up to the challenge of doing the work? Calling all men...Hillary with my vision save the ice caps...The green fund, no more war..we are not guilty..we do not deserve it...bring advanced industrial jobs here. Calling all disenfranchised MI and Fla dems to join GREEN Party. Abandoned by the men of our nation and the democrat party. Hillary does the work BO stumbles behind like a lackey.

That fact is tht Moveon suppports the most liberal, left wing candidates it can find. Sorry, Hillary, you may be left, but not far enough. Avowed Communists would be a shoo-in for this group.

The Bill&Hill show disgusts me. They will say anything to get elected so they can sell more of our jobs in exchange for contributions from foriegn governments and middle men for the Clinton Ego Edifice to be located somwhere bertween Little Rock and the Big Rock(Alcatraz)

The Democatric voters are not as stupid as the media wants us to be. In reality, we don't give a fig about all of the background noise recently produced (the debate and HRC). The Obama train is real, strong, and headed to the White House. Jump aboard my friends - you can be part of something very special. Or, you can tell your grandkids that you missed it.

Jim (a 50 year old white guy from Texas)

Now that Hillary is beating Obama in the national polls for the candidate most electable and she is favored to win 10+ points in Pennsylvania, even some of the most staunt Obama supported news analyst are saying now that she has new life and he has been hurt with his actions this past week. Added to this that Dean is saying now that Florida and Michigan delegates will be seated at the convention, many are saying after Tuesday, with Clinton's BIG win, that the SuperD's that have pledged support for Obama will recant their votes and go with Clinton. Added to this, the breaking news that the Hamas is now endorsing Obama, because of his Muslim ties, I don't see him gaining anymore ground. Actually, as one commentator on CNN stated, it's as if the Obama campaign is imploding. Hillary 08 !

Camille Paglia is a self promoting, self absorbed, sqaukbox that feels everybody is entitled to her opinion. Ms. Paglia is used to having 18 year old blank slates absorbing her every word with baited breath in her classroom. Her thoughts on Hillary Clinton and feminism are as eratic as her books, but thats just my humble opinion.

i am a 53 year old male army viet nam era veteran college educated realestate appraisor home inspector cost estimator etc etc etc and im also a very proud african american i am not sure what all the talk is about the economy having been so wonderfull during the clinton years i was in the usa at the time i dont remember any over abundance of prosperity during that administration if some one could offer em any real statistics supporting that claim id like to hear them

it is NOt about Move On, it is about Hillary's double standards.
Is it so hard to get?
Or You do not care?
Then she will manipulate with you more and more. Just say her Thank You.
It is Amazing how stupid Clinot's supporters are.

Susan,Please the reason we have 8 years of George Bush is because the Republicans will do anything to win up to and including steal an election(s).  Each time during the last two elections, the Republican outwitted the Democrats. First with Florida, then with Ohio, now with the Democratic nomination.  Primarily because they believe that the makeup of the Dem. party consist on people who are unable to or unwilling to encompass the idea that the Rep will conspire, rig, use propaganda, (create wars) in order to obtain their goals which is and was to rob the American people of all it money.  The sad thing about this is they have been very successful at this game for a long time.  Only Bill Clinton was able to put a dent in their plans.  Can you imagine where Americans would be if President Clinton had not won his two terms.  Twenty long years of war.  Because President Bush (1) was planning on going back to war again anyway.  That why the Republicans were so zealous in trying to find something against President Clinton.  H--l we would be in a "depression" rather than a "recession".  4,000+ soldier vs 10,000+ soldiers dead, and over 100,000 wounded; gas $3.40 vs $6.60. All things considered, we should be praying and thanking God everyday for the Clinton years. It not too late, we still have an opportunity to save ourselves.  As a 51 year old Af-Am woman, so what lots of men have affairs, it not my place to judge how personal relationship are resolved.  Certainly, I would not appre ciate anyone telling me that I need to divorce because of anyone of the many problems that relationship face. s Besides it was just oral sex anyway. Americans can be so hypocritical and prudish especially when for the most part no one is without their own crosses to bear.  Hiliary placed the welfare of her family and her country above her own personal humiliation and pain that was available for the entire world to either empathize or gloat over. Qualities that anyone could admire. Hiliary has paid her dues to Americans, the favor should be repaid in kind.

Has everyone forgotten that the ONLY reason we have had 8 years of horror from the Bush camp is BECAUSE OF THE CLINTONS??? I voted for Bill twice. I supported him through the debacle of Monica-gate, but for them to have the lack of shame, the NERVE to run her for president is simply unconscionable. And typical of the Clintons’ shamelessness is the dirty politics they continue to play, despite the fact that this is detrimental to the party… and to winning the national election. They had their shot, she even got to be a senator, but frankly, they blew it. If you were hiring someone to, say, run your business, would you pick the person with the doubtful rep, the spouse who butts in, the angry one? Not me!!

How could a real Democrat be for McSame? EVER?!!

I hit the SPAM button on Move on along time ago. I'm surprised it took Hillary this long.

Susan, you are another Obamamite that is pushing the rest of us dems to McCain, Nader, or ANY OTHER alternative.

Congratulations. Pat yourself and your enlightened friends for giving this election to the republicans.

Hillary '08 or bust!

What I find so interesting about the Clitonites is that, when these organizations were supporting Hillary and Bill they were fine with them. They courted these groups and praised the work they did on behalf of the party. Now this group is supporting Obama and they are somehow destroying here campaign in the caucuses. They blame the caucuses and now MoveOn.org for her failure to capture the nomination. What will here campaign do next week? Who will she blame? What a disaster, and the Clintons want to run this country again? No Way!....

Poor Hillary, so she got a little confused. It's so easy to confuse a corkscrew landing and dodging snipers' bullets with receiving a poem of peace from a child. Natural mistake!

Toby: That dog won't hunt. The Clinton campaign has a) not refuted the remarks and b) is making nice with MoveOn. If the remarks were lies or distorted, they would have been the first to say so.

I'm surprised. I thought the Clintons would use this as an obvious opportunity to move to the center. They must really, really want those undeclared California super delegates.

The often stated HRC argument to be the nominee is not that most people voted for her, BUT she can take all the **it the republicans will dump on her. Such a place is called garbage dump. What a qualification to be a president!!

Her most talked about issue is health care. Remember in 1993, democrats controlled The House, The Senate and The White House and she failed. Why? she could not even rally/listen to the Democrats who had some suggestion of their own to amend the Bill. As a result the republicans won the midterm elections in 1994 - due to her debacle. On this not, Al Gore lost the presidency because of Bill/Monica nightmare on the nation. I admit, the economy was good at the time and Bill has done some good for the nation, BUT we have also paid for too much for their mistakes - G Bushe's presidency and the rest of the mess he brought for the nation.

HRC;s behavior in this campaign, dissing her friends who did not vote for her (Richardson, Reich, etc), states who did not vote for her (Iowa, Mississipi, and all those small states), organizations that did not support her (MoveOn, Some labor unions, etc.)... I am not even counting what Bill Clinton has said about the youth and African Americans. By the way African Americans and MoveOn were the only blocks of voters that came to help the Clintons during the impeachment - and these are the two groups most dissed by the Clintons.

This is the problem with HRC. Even if she gets the nomination, there won't be as many democrats left that she has not offended, the Independents and the republicans don't trust her, even before 'Bosnia'.

I am really sorry to see the two politicians I voted for and admired could be so destructive for all of us. What a shame. Their story should be told to young people who aspire to be leaders how too much ego can destroy ones promising carrier.

I truly believe that campaigns do the vetting of cadidates - their truthfulness, how they treat friends when they choose the other guy...

As a member of MoveOn we were ask to vote for the candidate that we thought was best. I voted for Hillary. MoveOn never told us that they would enorse or support either candidate. MoveOn has decided support Obama in every way ..... they can instead of letting the voters decide who the candidate should be. MoveOn had broke their word to me!

Posted by: where the beef? | Apr 20, 2008 8:22:51 AM
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As always Move-on did what we, the people, wanted. They first asked if we thought they should support one candidate over the other if we had at least a 65-45 preference of one over the other. The majority of us responded affirmatively. Well over 65% selected Obama. I understand that there a lot of people who don't think Democracy is important, if they don't get what they want, but that is the way it is. We are Democrats and Independents. It is not an authoritarian group. Nobody is forced to support a candidate they don't want to. The idea that Move on didn't inform this person that they would looking to endorse a candidate is BULL!

I, too have been investigated for a security clearance. If the below is true, then I have no doubt that the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA and all the other alphabet soups will be shuddering and keeping all kinds of info from Obama if he wins. I copied the belows:
Anyone who has ever been vetted for a security clearance by the FBI is probably wondering exactly what I am - how is this Obama guy going to get a top secret security clearance with the likes of Rezko and Auchi, Bill Ayers, and the Reverend Wright and his cronies hanging around in his background? If he were an ordinary citizen being vetted by the FBI, he wouldn't get past the first day. Maybe that's the card the Republicans are holding up their sleeve - sorry, we can't give your candidate the kind of security clearance he needs to be POTUS! Hillary or NcCain, no other choice for me and millions like me. We are Americans first, and the longer the DNC and the media try to shove this guy down our throats, the more resolute we become.

this story is bogus. the writer of the piece spliced together tapes to get a gotcha moment. probally because what happened to obama last week.

Move-0n crossed the line somewhere and decided they know better than anyone else, and should decide the future of our country. What is creepy is that a lot of people join because they feel flattered by an invitation to join a group/club. Jim Jones anyone?

When this campaign is over, Hillary will be able to look forward to a career as a fiction writer. All she has to do is provide a synopsis of her "harrowing experience" at the Tuzla Airport dodging sniper bullets. But then again, it easy to confuse dodging bullets with receiving a poem from and eight-year-old child. Who can't see the similarity of those events.

Thanks, Sinbad

One in every three black men is in prison, two of three is either on  parole or probation, one-half of those are in prison on paper because the criminal jusitce system is unfair and they are intimidated and exploited by racist prosecutors, lawyers and judges who continue to ensure that they have a job to go to everyday.  Education for AF-Am is a joke. It has been reduced to whether a racially bias test can be passed.  The majority of black people live in extreme poverty, just trying to make it from day to day chased down like animals by crooked police, attacked with taser, shot down in the street, beaten.  The life expectancy for Af-AM men is approx 59, which means they never be able to realize the American dream of getting Soc Sec (Ha-Ha) because they have no health e insurance, because they have no dental insurance. Property own by Af-Am are being stolen right from under them by crooked politicians and greedy businessmen. If all of these thing have not caused them to  riot, you can't really think that if Obama does not get the nomination, there is going to be a riot.  Not only that Obama has done nothing for the black people in Chicago who put him where he is now. (Please stop trying to intimidate Hiliary supporter with that BS).
This is from an AF-AM voter who choorse to live in third world America with by black sisters and brothers in order to support them as much as possible.

Jake, why do you say "falsely, according to the group?" Are you a journalist or what? Do we have to look it up ourselves? Actually, it is pretty well known that MoveOn did not oppose the Afghanistan war. So maybe this should be a story about Clinton "mis-speaking" rather than about MoveOn.

It is also interesting to note that Clinton had great praise for MoveOn back when she thought they might be helping HER.

I am among millions of Americans who are of good conscience and believe in the rightness of liberty and justice for all.

I am among millions of Americans who have served this great nation of ours through a tour of duty in the military ... one who stood ready to give whatever sacrifice was necessary to preserve and to secure the freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution.

I am among millions of Americans who have marched in protests, stood in picket lines, been sprayed with fire hoses, been shot with rubber bullets, doused with tear gas and one who has mourned with the families of those who gave their lives for the furtherance of civil rights, affirmative action and all basic human rights.

I am among millions of Americans who have jeopardized their careers, their homes and their livelihood to stand up and speak out against discrimination and inequality, rather than stand silently by in witness of the mistreatment of others.

I am among millions of Americans who have turned out for every election, no matter how small, to vote my conscience and to provide a level playing field for every American of every race and color.

I am among millions of Americans who take a stand daily ... in what they say, what they write and what they do ... for the rights and dignity of all.

And I believe I am among millions upon millions of Americans who want recognition for the sacrifices we have made over the past 40 years that have made the current candidacies of the Democratic primaries and caucuses possible. Without the sacrifices we have made, neither of these candidates would be where they are today. Without our commitment to civil rights, affirmative action and non-discrimination policies, neither candidacy would be possible. And without us, neither one will reach the White House.

I believe I am among millions of Americans who want a candidate who recognizes us ... among millions who want a candidate to acknowledge that our commitment and sacrifices have helped them become the living proof of our success thus far ... among millions who want a candidate that promises to build on what we have built ... among millions who want a candidate who recognizes that we cannot hold a clear vision of the future without having a clear understanding of the past ... the bad and most assuredly, the good we, as a nation, have done.

And though we have done many wrong things, we most certainly have done as many, if not more, right things. I believe millions of fellow Americans believe this, as well.

If you are a candidate who cannot recognize the good of our past ... please go home.

If you are a candidate who cannot acknowledge the sacrifices of so many for the good of the whole, please go away.

If you are not a candidate who believes that we as a nation have built a solid foundation of commitment to civil rights, affirmative action and non-discrimination on which to build our future of true liberty and justice for all, please leave the stage.

I am among millions of Americans who want a leader who believes not only in the building up of what is already good in America ... but a leader who believes in the basic decency and goodness of the American people as a whole. We are worthy of your recognition.

I am among millions of Americans who want a president who is willing to serve as we have served ... a president who recognizes the duty, we as Americans have, to do whatever is necessary to move forward into that state of union that recognizes, preserves and builds upon the basic rights of our vital, beautiful diversity ... past, present and future.

This is yet one more example of a POORLY RUN CAMPAIGN. Her staff should do better research. In February, Yakima, Washington had the largest Democratic Party caucus EVER. Senator Obama won - MoveOn.org had NOTHING to do with it - people were turned off by the Clinton's negative campaign, dishonesty, and lack of inspiration and vision to lead America to a better future. Also noted was the high level of excited that Senator Obama is generating in the young people of this country. I think the main problem with her campaign is that they do not seem to understand the real reasons that she is not successful.

Donna,

What it appears to me is that after the Democrats are done beating each other up,Mccain will have it easy. Right now the media is looking mainly at Obama and Clinton because it's ugly. All of their negatives are being aired out by other Democrats not Republicans. The Democrats are doing Mccain's job for him. By the time a Democratic canidate is chosen their won't be anything left of the canidate. Mccain looks as pure as new fallen snow because of the hate going on right now between Obama and Hillary supporters. The fat lady is singing for the Democratic party and no one is listening.

Hillary is right and tells it like it is. No veiled middle fingers for her! That's the difference between a strong leader and a wimpy wannabe.

Go Hillary! If Obama can't stand the heat from Chuck Gibson,... puhleeze....what do you think the McCain machine will do? Hillary is tough and tested and the next president will inherit a crapload of problems. What I keep seeing are small glimpses of a character I cannot get behind. When the mask slips on Obama, and I get a peek of what could be under there I don't like it much. I'll take Hillary warts and all.

This Presidential Election will go down in History as the Race that destroyed the Democratic Party. Hillary is going to win with the Super Delegates and the Obama supports will riot and not vote or vote for someone else. Then Mccain will win and the Democrats will have to pick up the party pieces or form two seperate new parties. I see it coming. Don't count the Clintons out, just when you think they are down for the count they slip out and pull a fast one.

I agree totally with Black Tinkerbell - Obama will never get my vote.

A Proud, Black Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!

Get over the hate people, Obama is going to win. Yes he has ties with Rev. Wright, But do you really trust Hillary, How could she joke about being under sniper fire, It was truly an insult to our great Men & Women who proudy serve our Country and have given there lives while REALLY under sniper fire. As far as healthcare, Hillary has had 15 years to get it done and still nothing. Hillary is a leader no dout but one we can not trust with our future

to Mary -- you actually called woman in PA who vote for Obama stupid because he is a man and they should only vote for Hillary because she is a woman. Well if the only reason you find to vote for Hillary is because you are a woman is extremely stupid. That's like saying I'm an ant so if an ant is running I will vote for it because we look alike. Unreal!!!

WOW..I'm shocked that most of these writings are filled with such hatred and untruths -- especially when you ALL have access to the internet and can perform searches to obtain correct information! Further, why is it okay to put someone else down when trying to lift your candidate up? The problem in America is that individuals have a tendency to hold others to a higher standard than they hold for themselves. It is okay to agree to disagree but to have such hate filled, stereotypical language is very sad. What is true is that Barack has not given $27k to Rev Wright, but he has contributed to his church which the last time I checked was called titheing. What is true is that Barack leads the gallop poll by more than 11 pts at 51% to 40% for Hillary. What is true is that the negatives for Hillary have increased substantially and people are now saying that she can not be trusted (Bosnia). She has adopted this "win at any cost" mentality and will say anything to try and win this election. She claims to be a fighter but has not delivered in her own home state of NY when making these same promises during her reelection. Experience is one thing, and tenure is another. Sure, she has been in Washington a lot longer than Barack but her experience as to how she voted on bills that have a direct impact on people lives (like the war); her experience in accepting lobbyists money and her experience not passing one bill on her own makes her not much of a leader. Our country is at a much different place than we were back in the 90's when her HUSBAND was president -- homelessness, unemployment, manufacturing are at all time lows while food and gas prices are at all time highs. So the argument that it will take a Clinton to Clean up after this Bush is pure rhetoric because the last Bush did not create this huge deficit, manufacturing jobs were not lost to NAFTA under her hubby's tenure nor were we at war with no end in sight. We need someone in the Whitehouse that can get the job done -- period. Obama in 08'

I AM A PROUD 100% BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICAN; MY GRANDPARENTS WERE SONS OF SLAVES.
AND BARACK OBAMA DOES NOT - IN ANY WAY - REPRESENT ME NOR MY FAMILY, NOR MY COMMUNITY.
I BELIEVE HE REPRESENTS SOME THE WORST ASPECTS OF ANY RECENT LANDED IMMIGRANT, PUSHING FOR ACCEPTANCE, BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO BE LIKED.
WE DO NOT NEED HIM. WE DO NOT WANT HIM.
WE HAVE SACRIFICED SO MUCH, IT IS NOT FOR HIM TO RUN AWAY AND SQUANDER OUR HISTORY, OUR BELIEFS AND OUR FUTURE
OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN IS BEING SUPPORTED BY UNWORTHY PEOPLE - JUST LIKE THE OTHER CANDIDATES - BUT SOMETIMES IT ALMOST SEEMS THAT HE IS OUT TO PROVE HE IS THE MOST RADICAL OF THEM ALL!
BARACK OBAMA IS NOT WHOM WE WOULD WANT FOR PRESIDENT, IF HE DOES WIN – WHICH WOULD APPEAR VERY LIKELY- IT WILL BRING US TWO STEPS BACK IN HISTORY, MEANING THAT HIS TRIUMPH WILL NOT TRANSLATE IN A TRIUMPH OF THE AVERAGE AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND ONCE WE CHOOSE THE WRONG BLACK PRESIDENT WE WILL ALL BE LABELED ACCORDINGLY.
IF WE WERE TALKING COLIN POWELL OR CONDOLEEZZA RICE WE WOULD SUPPORT THEM FULL 100%…. WE FACE SUCH POOR CHOICES TODAY … BUT LET US NOT FALL IN TO THE TRAP OF THINKING THAT BARACK IS THE SOLUTION TO THE CENTURIES OF PRAYERS OF MANY BLACK AMERICANS.

PP:

Sorry, Still can’t vote for Hillary. You said the “intelligence (from the CIA about WMDs etc.) was wrong”. Actually, the PBS documentary on the war said that’s not quite true. The CIA intelligence estimate that was left for Senators to read in a locked room also voiced questions about the reliability of their source. Hillary has publicly admitted that she didn’t read it. But that’s not even the main reason she shouldn’t have voted to authorize the war. The main reason is that we haven’t been able to trust Bush since his wealthy, oil rich father got him out of the Vietnam war. The connection with Bush oil, Texas oil, Cheney & Haliburton, and the Chevron oil tanker named after Condi Rice should cause anyone to question their motives. Before we send our children off to fight and die we need to exhaust every opportunity to avoid war. Bush rushed us to war. The UN weapons inspectors were not finding WMD’s. The assertion that Saddam was connected to Al Queda was based on ONLY one (alleged & false) meeting between contacts in Europe. There was no consensus among the American people let alone our allies. Bush stampeded this country into war and the cost has been horrendous. We need a president that will question and challenge the status quo and not just go along to be popular. Obama took the hard and unpopular road. And it took courage.

I am an Obama support and a member of the deomicratic party. If either candidate is the nominee, I will still vote Dem in the general. If you vote for a Rep in the general because you candidate did not become the nominee or not vote at all, you are a participant in sending the country even farther down when McBush gets into office. So what Hilary made a few mistake, so what Obama gave $27,000 to his church. What is more important for the country or is this individual thought coming into play and dar I say "damn" the county???

It is very clear that Obama is dodging his connection with Ayers, the terroist underground group; he is dodging questions concerning the $27,000 he gave Rev. Wright last year;, he has no idea about Capital Gains taxes (you don't tax people during a recession); he continues to be the "little girl" in this campaign by getting mad at Hillary (because she is winning Pennsyvlania and according to Gallup, has taken over the lead nationally for the nomination for U S President), by shooting her the "rod", by crying like a baby because he finally had to handle tough questions in the last debate, which, he bombed on because he didn't have a speech ready. As many, many, many people are realizing now, he is an "empty suit", no substance. It's over....Obama is imploding! Hillary, the Democratic Presidential Candidate 2008 ! Go HILLARY !

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I have been a "member" of Moveon since bush decided to invade Iraq. I have contributed to moveon, mailed and, telegraphed my congressmen for issues I cared about. They will not get any more of my support. They made a mistake in supporting one dem over another

sorry MAC819,
I have been a democrat for 36 years who has never voted republican. i almost always voted a straight party ticket. i was proud to be a democrat. well the party has lost its direction, and i am sorely disappointed in where it is heading. i do not know what i will do after this election cycle...independant or un-affiliated.

MAC819,
so we disagree. i still think, and it has panned out since the legislation, that the intell the congres received was incorrect. in hind sight we think bush went after the oil. at the time most people never believed a president would lie as he did in front of the world.
i also think it was easy for bho to make his "speech". he did not have to vote on anything. so, comparing hillary for voting with bho "speech" is apples and oranges.
i too marched/picketed both wars, and have worn "impeach bush" t-shirts for years, defiantly. i have never worried nor looked back. it has not been a heroic, anxious position/action.
if decisions are what you want to base voting on, lets dicuss deciding to stay at a racist, un-american church for twenty years(and donationg large sums of maney to it), of being associated with rather questionable characters, of voting "present" instead of taking a stand, of voting to support the war without any constraints, of running for president when a citizen of a second country, kenya, of skirting issues with double talk, of lying about the source of much of his money(bundling), of not saying anything about his wife's un-american comments, and the list goes on...the saint bho is no saint. open yours eyes or not. if he is the nominee, these hillary supporters will vote mccain, and your candidate will go into obscurity.

PP

You're a republican and a McCain supporter. Who are you to say that Democrats don't want Obama? I'm betting that you would rather see Democrats bash each other.

Excuses,excuses, any reason to take the heat off Hillary. Same old politics! OBAMA 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PP:

Your assertion that Clinton “was under the impression that Bush would exhaust ALL avenues prior to war....” does not make me feel any better about her vote to authorize the war in Iraq in 2002. In fact it makes me feel worse. I didn’t believe anything Bush said in 2002, or I was at least suspicious. We had a laundry list of reasons not to believe him or vote for him in 2000. His rich father got him into the Texas Air National Guard so he wouldn’t have to go to Vietnam. W was busy defending the skies over Texas from the Viet Cong while working class boys were fighting and dying. W was skipping out on his National Guard meetings while his father and political allies were getting rich in the oil business. IF HILLARY COULDN’T SEE THAT THE BIG OIL PRESIDENT WAS INTENT ON INVADING AND CONTROLLING IRAQ THEN WE HAVE EVEN MORE REASON TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

I also don’t agree with you when you said “It’s easy for some one (Obama) to speak out against the legislation when they did not have to vote on it .” I got beat up once, and arrested another time for peacefully protesting the Vietnam war in the 60s. I was scared and shaking when I went to anti war rallies in 2002 & 2003. It was scary and risky to oppose the war a year after 9/11. BushCo was extremely successful at spreading fear and creating the impression that opposition to the war was unpatriotic. Remember all the cars with American flags? It took a lot of courage just to show up anonymously at anti war demonstrations in 2002. It took a lot more courage to stand up and make a speech to the media as an elected representative, even for a state legislator. 15 to 20 Senators were able to question Bush’s war mongering and weren’t willing to trust him. Even more Senators have admitted a mistake in trusting Bush. Hillary didn’t do either.

The war in Iraq is the biggest American disaster since Vietnam and Hillary got it wrong. Just look at the result of that vote. If we’re going to make a clean break with Bush politics, then we can’t vote for someone that got it wrong on the most important vote of the last 40 years.

The title is misleading. These are left-wing activists. the far left anti-war crowd. If Obama steals the nomination leaving Fl and MI voters behind then yes, the Democrats will end up nothing more than a fringe group.

MoveOn.Com lost all credibility in my eyes when they tarred General Petraeus as "General Betray-Us." It was a stunt worthy of a high school newspaper. This is a group of youngsters with "computer smarts" but given their age demographic, they are about thirty years away from anything that would resemble wisdom. They are a generation that would like to make a fortune without working and to possess sagacity without life experience. And yes, I was that way when I was their age. Let them have their fun - but not at my expense.

this time around the voters are the ones swiftboated too late! ha ha!or two latte! ha ha!

What a great article - it shows the erratic, and obvious, fleeting shifts of a Clinton campaign that is without principle or true conviction. A campaign that has failed to speak about its own policies, but has concentrated on constantly attacking its opponents.

No US President can be a great leader doing this. Clinton should get out now with what must remain of her professional (and personal) pride.

I cant beleive anyone still supports this woman when she can stand there and LIE to the troops she wants the country to trust her to lead. This is what's wrong with America - failure to MAKE its politicians accountable. THAT is what the Obama campaign is all about.

...if thats what we see here in the UK, what will rest of the world think of an America under another Clinton???

Serious food for thought, people!

pp I agree Character, Judgement, and who you call friends (spirual mentor) are very important!

As a member of MoveOn we were ask to vote for the candidate that we thought was best. I voted for Hillary. MoveOn never told us that they would enorse or support either candidate. MoveOn has decided support Obama in every way (boycott ABC for bringing up Character and Judgement for 45 minutes-time well spent) they can instead of letting the voters decide who the candidate should be. MoveOn had broke their word to me!

Gallup: Hillary Clinton now receives 46% of the support of Democrats nationally, compared to 45% for Barack

Good for HIllary and she's right. I don't see the issue here.

Dems want bho out,
i agree. the bho supporters keep yelling that the issues of aassociates and aquantences is of no consiquence. I beg to differ. Ones character is important. isn'y that what the bho people keep ranting about. bho has long going associations with less then attractive sorts. This is not a single person, there are many, mnay such associations, and they are all radical, anti-american, racist people/groups. these issues should be called into play when you will be respresenting the usa.
if nothing else, mccain does have character, patriatism, and a love of country. that trumps most anything.

Is Obama really believing what some of his supporters think that he is a deity in a cult? That he can talk in riddles and nobody has the right to question him? Why is he so unable to answer any question? why does he have to retreat and then come back with an explanation or a whine?

Jake,

Should you not disclose the reason MoveOn.org is supporting Barack Obama? The private funding relationship Moveon.org has with Barack Obama's campaign managers, David Axelrod, Daivd Plouffe and AKP&D Message & Media?

David Axelrod was working for Bill Clinton during the impreachment process.

pp,
That is the good thing in all of this, he won't get elected in the future if he loses in November. Thank the Lord for that.

the only positive of bho being the niminee, is that after a loss to mccain, he would be off the political screen for president ever again.

ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF BUSH ADMINISTRATION IF OBAMA IS THE NOMINEE. REPUBLICANS HAVE TOO MANY GUNS TO USE AGAINST OBAMA AND TO NAME A FEW...PASTOR WRIGHT, AYERS, REZKO, NAFTA, PLAGRIARISM, UNPATRIOTISM, HUSSIEN MIDDLE NAME, CALLING HARD WORKING AMERICANS BITTER, EMPTY WORDS AND SPEECHES
AND NO EXPERIENCE. THESE ARE ONLY SOME OF THE GUNS THEY CAN USE AGAINST OBAMA. NO WONDER REPUBLICANS ARE SO EAGER TO SEE OBAMA BEING THE NOMINEE. WHAT A WASTER OPPORTUNITY IF OBAMA IS THE NOMINEE.