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The article is stating that "Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., has staked her path to the Democratic nomination on the officially illegitimate contests held in Michigan and Florida somehow being recognized, in opposition to Democratic National Committee rules."

Look at what we have here, several Clinton supporting delusional fleeing from reality. She has lost.... I see dead people, it's just they don't realize they're dead.

Senator Obama is a train wreck, a tornado, earthquake and a hurricane all rolled up into one “typical” politician.

One simply does not know what he is or what he believes in. He keeps trying to change his colors in order to win. It looks like Obama’s chickens “are coming home to roost”.

GO, SENATOR CLINTON!

Remember folks, some of the more bizarre and incendiary comments on these boards, and perhaps most of them, are from the Lush Rambo HRC for nominee contingent, right-wing nutcases many of them, Republican voters come fall every time. They are posing as both HRC backers and Obama backers in order to divide the Democrats and alienate us from sticking with the Dems if our choice is not the nominee. Don't fall for it--Dems must unite when this is over.

HRC and her supporters may be hypocrits on this issues. But that's not unique. Any politician does that. Had the position reverse and Obama in HRC's shoe election result wise, he would advocate the same thing regardless of initial call. But what matter is I found democrates are really undemocratic. It's disenfranchisement of voters of two important states with their rules. I think the country is ripe for a third party. I wish HRC leaves the democrats and start a third party though unlikely, :( Dems has move too far left and not in synch with the mainstream american.

VOTER “PHOTO ID” SHOULD BE REQUIRED IN ALL STATES.

OBAMA IS AFRAID TO DEBATE. HE CAN ONLY READ SPEECHES FROM A TELEPROMPTER — NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE OUR PRESIDENT!

WE HAVE 50 STATES — NOT 48! COUNT THEIR VOTES!

TODAY, THE DNC STRUCK A “MONEY DEAL” WITH OBAMA. THIS JUST MIGHT ASSURE HIM THE VOTES OF THE SUPER-DELEGATES. WE NEED TO GET RID OF DEAN, PELOSI, REID, KENNEDY AND KERRY.

HOW SAD FOR ALL AMERICANS. OUR VOTES DON’T MATTER — MONEY DOES!

THINK ABOUT TIES TO WRIGHT, AYERS, REZKO, FARRAKHAN, SINCLIAR, AMONG OTHERS!

WE NEED TO CLEAN OUT OUR WHITE HOUSE. WE NEED NEW REPRESENTATIVES FOR ALL 50 STATES! THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR SENATORS AND CONGRESS MEMBERS.

VOTE HILLARY 2008!

Err....I meant stealing defeat from the jaws of victory.

Alas you know what I meant after all it is your history.

I wish there was an sane, centrist, common sense 3rd party that the intelligent people could vote in.

They would bury the Republicans and Democrats.

(shakes head)

Boy I sure am glad to be an Independent. Reading these posts is enough to drive ANY sane, honest and reasonable person fromn the Democratic Party.

Continue with this and you will once again continue your glorious streak of stealing victory from the jaws of defeat and circular firing squads.

Hillary will not only lose the White House...but probably congress along with it.

This is another current example of Hillary's hypocrisy. The list goes on: In 2006 Hillary was refusing to have a single debate with her challenger for her seat because she was the front-runner. Now that she is not the front-runner, she considers 21 debates to be too few. She wants free air time and more opportunities to rehash the "scandals" that are the focus of her hollow campaign.

It's ridiculous that she wants to account FL and MG. She behaves like a kid playing games - wants to turn over what already made as a rule/voted for when she sees herself lost.

No account! If she insist, then half and half.

The Democratic leadership in Michigan is to blame for our delegates not being seated. They knew that the DNC would strip us of delegates if we voted early, and they deliberately ignored party rules and held the primary early anyways. Many people, myself included, voted differently (or not at all), knowing that it would not make a difference at the convention. Now that she is losing, Hillary wants to count the votes. WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISILLUSIONED IN MICHIGAN. COUNTING OUR DELEGATES NOW WILL ONLY FURTHER OUR DISILLUSIONMENT. Just do your best in the remaining contests, and don't worry that MI and FL would refuse to vote in the General Election. That is ridiculous - us folks up here in Michigan are even MORE excited to vote in the General Election! I hope to be able to vote for the candidate that has more delegates, more of the popular vote, and more electability - BARACK OBAMA!

"Terry McAuliffe once threatened to strip Michigan of delegates" So what? he threatened, he didn't, he was wrong, what is the issue?

People in Michigan and Florida are going to be very upset if their votes are not counted in this historical election. This needs to be fair. We are The United States of America.

Chris in Indiana
(where my vote will count....we need Michigan and Florida and all of the states to be fair!)

Just Words?! Clinton Says Actions Matter - They Do!

CLINTONS:
Paula Jones - LIE
MONICA - LIE,
BOSNIA - LIE,
COLUMBIA - LIE,
IRAQ VOTE - LIE,
NAFTA - LIE,
WRIGHT ONLY FRIEND OF OBAMA NOT CLINTON - LIE,
RUNNING FOR 2008 BUT NOT FOR 2012 - LIE
RACE CARD - LIE
RE-OPENING MI, FL VOTE - LIE
OBAMA AS VP - LIE
POPULAR VOTE - LIE
FERRARO - LIE
FARRAKHAN NOT FRIEND FOR ED RANDELL - LIE
$105 MILLION ASSET, 50% NOT FROM LOBBYISTS - LIE
ENDING IRAQ WAR - LIE
BILL, not intentionally "RACE CARD" topic every primary day to capture more WHITE VOTES - LIE
NOT FLIP-FLOPING ON OBAMA ELECTABILITY IN DEBATE vs RALLY - LIE
CLAIMING HER FAILED HEALTH INSURANCE UNIVERSAL - LIE
BILL "NOT" Bombing other countries 7 times day before Monica's Court Appearance - LIE
HILLARY NOT USING 3AM Ad, "BIN LADEN" to use BUSH SCARE TACTICS - LIE
Last 20 YEARS its "BUSH+CLINTONS" like SADDAM HUSSAIN did to IRAQ REGIME. USA IS NOT REGIME - LIE

Do you really want to VOTE for 8 more years of these?

Hi All,

We still have a horse race between two
good candidates.

The top candidate needs two win with
2025 or more delegates, but, must win
by a 369 vote over the 2nd place
candidate.

The 369 vote gap can be made moot if
the Dems ask and help pay for primaries
in Florida and Michigan.

Thanks and Good Luck

With Hillary winning PA she has won ALL the BIG State's. People say "Obama has won more State's" Yes, true. But don;t you see taht the majority of these are SAFE REPUBLICAN State's? In some States not even 10,000 voters came out, compared to the millions in PA, FL, OH, and even MI.
As far as I am concerned, they better count our Votes of us in MI, and our friends in Florida. Obama is trying to get it his way. Too bad he wanted his name OFF THE BALLOT in MI, HIS CHOICE, unlike some of the folks on here trying to see he didn't have time to put it on.
Bullcrap. He was on the ballot in FL, and still lost by DOUBLE DIGITS. The Democrats pass him through as our nominee, this is one lifetime Democrat voter going to cross over to McCain.
No Obama presidency for me.
Shirley, MI

Fact: all of the Democratic Party candidates agreed to respect the stripping of Michingan's and Florida's delegates, and to not campaign in those states. Fact: the voters in Michigan did not have a true choice in the Democratic primary, because Obama, Edwards, et al. were not even on th ballot because of the aforementioned agreement (not because they supposedly proscrastinated and missed the deadline). The results of the Michigan primary therefore don't truly represent the choice of the voters in that state, because they didn't have the ability to choose between all of the candidates officially in the race. Michigan's primary was an illegitimate primary no matter how you look at it.

Most ultra liberal democrats don't care about all of baracks baggage:
-James Wright's "god damn America" sermon,
-Antoine' Rezco, got barak's campiagn started, jailed political fixer
-domestic terrorists Ayers and Dorhn
these guys blew up 25 bombs in the US
-bitter small town Americans
-HAMAS in the church bulletin
-he admitted smoking crakc / cocaine

but most mainstream americans / democrats do:
see PA OH vote results and if the media got on barack earlier, he would never have won the earlier states he did...

FOR 16 months hillary got hammered and obama got a free ride... now that some of his skeletons are out of the closet he can't win dem primary... look at his rresults with PA AND OH DEMOGRAHPICS

smells like mcgovern
and dukakis and gore and kerry.. the ultra liberal democrats are going to give the whouse to mccain...

PA PUTS CLINTON BACK ON TOP
FLORIDA and PENNSYLVANIA are identical demographically speaking.

Barack will be painted quite easily as less than american - wright, rezco, ayers, dohrn, farrakhan, HAMAS in the church bulletin, and the list goes on...

The republican dirty tricks bag is limitless and they can't kill hillary --- her ideas wont die.

Hillary got tough questions for 16 months as the front runner, now obama cant handle the heat unless its from the end of his pipe or cigarette.

no smoking in the whitehouse
and yes ... he admitted smoking CRack in his youth.... if hillary did, she would be gone a long time ago.... Hillary fired her campaign manager in NHampshire for talking about it.... though ..the republicans are going to grind him into soup meat, if he wins ...

u can't win in November
WHEN IT COUNTS THE MOST
with out FLORIDA
and PENNSYLVANIA

Obama is electorally doa.

Hillary, a matter of character: I landed in Bosnia under sniper fire (bluff). A pregnant woman in labor and without insurance wasn't accepted in a hospital. She died later on (bluff).She
(Hillary)has received more votes than her opponent in this election campaing(bluff)...and on, and on, and on.
Let's review:If she counts the Florida and Michigan votes, and gives Obama credit for the caucuses on those states, he is still ahead by more than 500,000 votes yet. Any other bluffs?

Hillary is liar... If you're willing to do or say anything to be President, then you don't deserve to be President... it is as simple as that.

Doreen said: What this misleading article proves is that Ickes and McAuliffe never stripped Michigan and Florida of their delegates at any time. In addition, Hillary only promised not to campaign in Florida and Michigan, she never said that the votes shouldn't count. Hillary is entitled to these votes, she won them fair and square.

Here is another lie. Doreen you should get your facts straight before you post things.

CLINTON RHETORIC: "Let's talk about the agreement. The only agreement I entered into was not to campaign in Michigan and Florida. It had nothing to do with not seating the delegates. I think that's an important distinction. I did not campaign... that's not the case at all. I signed an agreement not to campaign in Michigan and Florida."

REALITY: Clinton Said "It's Clear" That The Michigan Primary Won't "Count For Anything"
Clinton Said "It's Clear" That The Michigan Primary Won't Count For Anything. Clinton, on why she stayed on the ballot for the Michigan primary said, "Well, you know, people in Michigan are flat on their backs. They have the highest unemployment rate in America. They are now grappling finally with what they are going to do with the auto industry. 1 in 10 jobs in America is tied to the auto industry which is -- the American auto industry, which as we know is centered in Michigan. You know, it's clear this election they're having isn't going to count for anything. But I just personally didn't want to set up a situation where the Republicans are going to be campaigning between now and whenever. And then after the nomination we have to go in and repair the damage and be ready to win Michigan in November 2008." [NHPR Interview, 10/11/07]

Clinton Campaign Said She Was "Not Participating in the Michigan Primary." Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said, "Clinton signed a pledge saying she will not campaign. She is not participating in the Michigan primary because she is not campaigning there. She is honoring the pledge." [New Hampshire Union Leader, 10/11/07]

It's clear that the Democratic party is a mess and is, yet again, poised to make another McGovern, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry. Either Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, or, as it appears more necessary everyday, the party should be destroyed.

look up:

in Florida-Bill 537

in Michigan-B.O. & Edwards not sending their names on time to remain on the ballot. They were forced to remove it. In order to diminish Hillary's strength in this state,they strongly conducted a campaign via e-mail to their supporters to vote uncommitted.

case close

What sterling character these Democrat
leaders possess! A party like this
should be elected in perpituity. Who
even needs those rascally Repubs.
It's obvious that Harold Ickes sits
at the left hand of God.

I have been shocked at the false statements Hilary Clinton is making. She claims "I have gotten the most votes." This is a dishonest and deceptive marketing tool. Party rules govern, and this is both a misleading lie and truth. OUCH - fact is fact. Wow - I was very disappointed with her honesty and moral integrity. Hilary was counting Michigan and Florida. Those primary votes don't count.

NOTE - And fact is Democratic Candidate nomination is by DELEGATES WON. This year no Democratic candidate can win the nomination without the superdelegates voting. Yes, delegates won. Popular vote is calculated in each state, district by district, delegates awarded district by district, then totaled. Additional delegates may be awarded at a later time. Etc. If a State caucus was done actual true state popular votes not totaled.

Hilary Clinton signed an agreement to honor and abide by the DNC rules. All the candidates did. Those states were punished many months ago. Those discussions about moving primaries up were discussed with DNC several years prior to 2008 Democratic Presidential Candidate race. Articles appears as early as 2002. The members of the governing body voted and states primaries if moved up would be unsanctioned and not count.

I really feel sorry for the voters of those states. Democratic Party Representatives of those states let all their voters down. That is the bottom line. And one court already declared this move up law was unconstitutional. Court of law has declared contests don't count.

It does not make a difference which candidate we are supporting. This is about being honest and demonstrating good sportsmanship. Rules can not be changed midstream. Too many variables would exist since no campaigning had been done. Fact is primaries were unsanctioned primaries. Fact is a contest of any kind that is not approved or is declared unsanctioned by the specific governing body will not count. Key here is "contest of any venue and any kind."

Barack Obama - I have only found his stances were for fairness. Did he stop new primaries in those states? My guess he had ample support for making sure the proposals were fair. Each proposal for new primary presented by those states were totally unfair to the poor voters and also Barack Obama. He suggested dividing up delegates 50-50 as quick fair resolution. Last proposal by Michigan would not wipe slate clean on democratic side and let all vote again. I was totally shocked reading the proposal. I was really hoping a fair proposal.

HILARY CLINTON - She started pursuing these votes after she fell behind. She kept herself on these ballots though. I saw what she may be doing. And as campaign unfolded - I was disappointed my "red flag" was right. I am alarmed at these dishonest and unfair tactics. Continued political sales of those primaries is dishonest and unfair. Discouraging to see her too using those poor voters.

New primary at this stage?? It is now too late, and poor voters of these states need to now address the representative at state level who sold them out. Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama are not to be blamed for any of this.

Voters lets show we are all good people that stand for real honesty and fairness.

Count them or not, It still doesn't matter. Neither candidate will have enough elected delegates to seal the election. So the point is mute. The real question is who you think is more likely to win against McCain in the general election. And don't forget Hillary has won all the big states. Also don't forget that Michigan and Florida are both also big crucial states that we have to win in the general election in order to win the presidency.

Yes, Dan, and can you understand why Obama would never have her on his ticket?? What do you think would happen to him?? He wouldn't last 30 minutes.

The Clintons feel they are above any rules or regulations. Those apply to everyone else. The Clintons make up THEIR OWN rules which everyone is expected to fall in line and support.

I've often heard Hillary was a socialist candidate, I certainly agree now. Her presidency would be more of a dictatorship than democracy. I just learned about the communist law firm she worked for in the 60's. No wonder she wants to employ the Cold War strategy she used to justify her comments on oblitherating Iran. Seems she always goes back to the past instead of looking to the future.

News flash Hillary, this is a very different playing field than back in the Cold War era. It could very easiy heat up into a world war quickly. News flash Hillary today's economy isn't like the 90's and you can't apply Bill's policies to fix it. In fact Bill's policies with NAFTA and China trade contributed to where we are today. In fact special interest and lobbists run this country and you and Bill are in everyone of their pockets.

I say Hillary, Bill, give us all a break! We are not so stupid to believe anything you say anymore.

WHY DID OBAMA AND HIS SUPPORTERS STOP THE REVOTE IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN?
WHY ARENT THE VOTES IN FLORIDA ALINE BEING COUNTED AS IS----EWVERYBODY WAS THERE. THE VOTERS DID NOTHING WRONG--
OBAMA IS TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION......VOTES FROM ALL AMERICANS MUST COUNT.

SINCE WHEN DID MAINTAINING PARTY UNITY BECOME THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF HILLARY CLINTON?
SHE OWES NOBODY ANYTHING .
SHE HAS A RIGHT TO RUN TO WIN..

Stealth Obama supporter Donna Brazille DID strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates.

Justin,

You are silly. You think that Hillary Clinton stripped the FL and MI votes?

The rules made by the DNC are not the Constitution or anything close. And, the leaders of the DNC are not political gods, even though they may see themselves as such.

If applied, the DNC primary rules do need to be applied equally to each and every state that was in violation regardless of who the state went to.

Discarding the votes of Michigan and Florida puts the DNC and the party as a whole on the same level as the Florida scam that got Dubya elected.

Perhaps, everyone needs to remember who set the primary date in Florida...the Republican Party!

countallthevotes,

The rules committee decided on who to punish and how. They chose to punish MI and FL by stripping their delegates. Clinton had more pull on that committee than any of the six candidates. She very nearly had a majority, and her people voted strip the MI and FL delegates.

Now stop with the lies and evasion. The Clinton people did this, and now they're trying to change the rules to suit them. If a candidate and her people are willing to behave this way in a primary, just imagine how little respect they'd show for the Constitution and rule of law. We've had seven years of that, we don't need any more.

If the delegates are split evenly in Michigan and Florida, then the delegates from every state that broke the rules need to be evenly split (Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina).

The nominee will simply be selected at the convention by votes of delegates and superdelegates. That gives equal treatment to each and every state in question.

And, while we are at it, caucus results, in whatever state they were held need to be discarded with representation being evenly split.

Caucuses are a pathetic excuse for a means of candidate selection and need to be eliminated from any present or future consideration.

One more item about Howard Dean's and the DNC's failure in leadership:

If it is so important for Michigan and Florida to be held accountable for breaking the "rules," then why are New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina not being held to the same level of accountability for their rules transgressions?

Could it be that Florida and Michigan voters would determine a candidate who has more influence in American politics than Dean, Pelosi, and the entire DNC?

Michigan and Florida disobeyed party rules knowing what would happen and BOTH Clinton and Obama agreed to the DNC ruling ,with no fight or protest from either side . Well , surprise surprise ! Clinton starts getting her fanny whooped and suddenly says the ruling is not fair and suddenly she is so concerned with Michigan and Florida and Democracy , of course she wants their votes counted even though Obama did not bother to campaign in Florida and his name was not even on the ballot in Michigan and many people didn't vote because of the ruling ,they decided why vote if our states votes won't matter or be counted ! So this is just another desperate and completely unethical ploy on the part of Clinton who has no shame . The only fair way to count Florida and Michigan would be to split the delegates evenly and that's all that counts .

The television interview of Howard Dean this morning reinforces my beliefs that the failure of the Democratic Party leadership will result in the failure of the Democratic candidate in November.

Howard Dean is still seething with resentment from his own failed presidential candidacy. After he had been annointed as the frontrunner, he was soundly defeated. Now, he wants justification of his own failure by a repeat of history.

Throughout the entire interview, Howard Dean tried to portray himself as a neutral referee rather than a participant in the rules debacle he is currently presiding over. Mr. Dean, we all know better.

Regardless of what excuses Dean, Pelosi, and the rest of the Democratic leadership make, the voters of Michigan and Florida will determine the outcome of the November election.

Not even Jeremiah Wright could damage the Democratic Party as much as the failure of the DNC has already done.

Michigan and Florida voters will be heard...one way or another.

Typical ---Her campaign staff is just as deceitful as she@ her sneaky husband are. What does it take America to wake up and see those Clintons for what they really are---Liars and hypocrites

For those of you upset that Florida and MICH have not yet been included> Please consider the following about New Hampshire. It has few people. It is physically tiny. It has only a few towns. Therefore, any person, even you reading this, can campaign there and be heard. The whole idea is to allow a democratic process that any one can afford to be in. If you have big states first ONLY the rich and famous will be candidates. MICH and FLORIDA should NEVER be first.
Only small states allow an unknown to be part of the early process and to gain traction. If we have states like Florida, with 25 million people, first, you turn the election into a nobility only event, for the BRAND NAMES and BILLIONAIRES.
Please stop being angry about the MICH and Florida people. They will get to vote and maybe they will actually learn about the issues while they have this time on their hands. Any of you know the only candidate remaining in the race, to speak to restore the constitution?
Did you know that the Constitution has been erased? You no longer have the right to be charged with a crime, a speedy trial or to see the evidence against you or to cross examine witnesses.
Stop worrying about the mess the the Florida Republican and MICH Democrat local people made trying to shove their way in after they have been told in plain English not to do it. Do you understand why we MUST not have large states first?
It would be the end of democracy. You would get Clintons and the super rich and that's all.

On the scale of one to 10, 10 being best
Which You'd rather vote for: One who said a White lie or One who spent 20 years listening the hate mongerer and said nothing: white lie(7) listening to hate words about the country I live in (-10)

I don't care that Obama and Clinton agreed to discount Fla. and Mi. if they held early primaries. My issue is that the people of Fla., Mi., and the rest of the United States didn't agree to these terms. No one asked America if it was okay to discount any citizen's right to vote and be counted. If we allow this to happen to Fla. and Mi. what's to say they don't start making different rules and backdoor deals to manipulate elections as they see fit in the future. If the DNC doesn't count Fla. and Mi. this lifelong democrat may vote republican for the first time. It won't have anything to do with which candidate wins the democratic nomination, but instead with my frustration at the audacity of the DNC to decide what Americans do and do not have the right to be counted.

justin,

The point that you ignore is the DNC has not followed their rules, not who made the rules. Any discretion has been consistently used to benefit Obama. That is an abuse of their discretion. If they followed their rules, all 5 states would have been stripped, not cherry picking just FL and MI, which Clinton won. Also, DNC could have very well sanctioned Obama for campaigning in FL and MI and, using their discretion, they chose to do nothing.

They needed to follow the rules, you are correct. They did not.

The message and positions of Ickes and McCauliff are consistent. Follow the rules even-handedly.

Doreen,

Ickes and 11 other Clinton supporters made up almost half of this cycle's Rules Committee. Clinton had vastly more supporters on that committee than any other candidate, and in 2007 they chose to strip MI and FL of their delegates. Simply put, the decision was made primarily by Clinton supporters. It's not a topic for debate or discussion, it's a documented fact.

The additional detail of McAuliffe's actions in 2004 just further demonstrates how duplicitous the Clinton position on this decision is. It's a shame that so many Clinton supporters are unwilling to see this for what it really is.

frisco girl,

You got it right!! Good recap.

What this misleading article proves is that Ickes and McAuliffe never stripped Michigan and Florida of their delegates at any time. In addition, Hillary only promised not to campaign in Florida and Michigan, she never said that the votes shouldn't count. Hillary is entitled to these votes, she won them fair and square.

Guess Clinton must be up in the polls

Stop Hillary!
(before she wins again).

LMAO

Apparently, the anger it takes to revise history can keep people up at night. It also seems that many of us start with a conclusion and work backwards to justify it. Sounds very similiar to our current administration.

"threatened to strip" is different from "actually stripping"

They might have told to to change the deciciosn that MI anf FL were taking.

Whatever said and done ... currently we are in a tight race and the MI and FL election results are very important and need to be counted as they are.

Obama is anyway getting bonus in MI, all of Edwards and other votes are getting counted as if they are for him. In FL Obama ran ads that no other candidates aired, so infact he is getting a good deal.

Anne Marie

So now Jake is wrong for reporting these two men are just like Hillary herself... (you know two of the four men surrounding her in the ring against Obama alone...but yeah she's the fighter as Obama goes up every day against these two (one of which is the other exDNC Chair, Rendell, another ex-DNC chair,Billy boy an ex President, and McCain who wants to fight Hillary in the ring ...not Barack)

This team...They do not care about the voters in Michigan in fact they are mcuh more at fault for this situation ( all of them ...and if you read the DNC delegate counting committee's notes...Mr. Pennsylvania...Rendell is way up there on this as well)

for discounting both Florida and Michigan (remember when Hillary had the power of the idea that she was the front runner...she could have figured this out but then she didn't care that Michigan and Florida did not count)

This is a big issue...not a side issue...

It is about Hillary consistently cares about the voters when it effects her position only...and by doing so she makes situations worse. It is the Clinton way
Clintons first then everybody else.

The War...
The Nomination Process
The NAFTA debacles
The healthcare issue promising full healthcare coverage which is a statistical impossibility the way she is approaching it unless the insurance companies get A LOT of moneya dn the taxpayers have to pay an enormous amount...with the poor gettign tax breaks...c'mon you think tax breaks are going to help those people who are choosing food and rent over healthcare?
Do you think this program can afford to be more about preventative medicine...no. It will be bad reactionary at best...and fiscally it is a nightmare...is anyone looking at Massachusetts...it's about cost...universal healthcare can't be implemented until we get costs under control)

or
saying "obliterate" Iran with Nuclear Power to reinforce a win in PA not caring that the Iranians will use that soundbite to tell other nations why they need to protect themselves with Nuclear Weapons...
and promising "Massive retaliation" to countries to win PA not only giving a rogue nation a soundbite but subjegating America's checks and balances and congressional approval to a campaign promise that is horrifically dangerous, fiscally irresponsible, and militarily back-breaking.

This woman is dangerous...she plays "I have been" in battle and has no idea what it's effects are.

It is their way think tactically for their own power ...not out of

This is a case of Marie Antoinette.

carla sue said:

"Gee whiz people think about it...when the Clintons had the WH previous, we all had jobs, we had roofs over our heads, food on the table, clothes on our backs, gas in the tanks...and this country was in a surplus! Do you have a problem with that?????"

That seems to suggest that the successes of that administration was due to both of them jointly. Mrs. Clinton says that she privately disagreed with her husband's decision on NAFTA. How many other of his policy decisions did she privately disagree with? Would his administration have been as successful if he followed all of her advice? We will never know. What we do know is that is Ms. Clinton failed publicly when she was given the handle to drive her husband's administration effort on health care.

On the other hand, it would be patronizing to suggest that she would automatically follow all of his advice in her administration. Don't presume we are getting the benefits of two-for-one or a copy of a Mr. Clinton presidency in a Ms. Clinton presidency.

Junior2, I am an Independent who has voted Democrat since 1984 when I felt that the Republican part was being completely taken over by idealogues. Yes, I voted for Bill twice and defended them against the nasty Republicans. However, Bill let us all down by providing fuel for Republicans to pursue. During this campaign season I prefferred Edwards and was indifferent to Hillary and Obama. After Edwards left and Hillary began her kitchen sink strategy I became more and more disgusted with her and Bill's hypocrisy and shall we say....less than truthfulness (lying?). It reminded me of their supposed Republican enemies and brought back memories of Bill pointing his finger into the camera and stating "I did not have sex with that woman", him stating "I did not inhale", him arguing what is the defintion of sex....All the sleaziness that seems to be part and parcel with Bill and Hillary. And yes, they are tied together. Since Hillary wants to take credit for Bill's successes she needs to accept responisbility for his failures as well. So, if Hillary somehow wins (steals) the nominiation I will either vote Republican for the first time in over 20 years since I believe McCain is a decent man (albeit in the wrong political party), or write-in a name (probably Edwards). But I will guarantee you I will not hold my nose and vote for Hillary. BTW...I considered registering Democrat this year and I am glad I did not. I believe Democrats behavior (particularly the Clintons) have been distasteful. I have officially joined the thinkers that it is time for a third party.

This article makes Hillary Clinton's "courageous" stand for the voters of Florida and Michigan look utterly false. She only cares about their democratic rights now because she needs them. When she thought she didn't, she showed her contempt for them.

Be careful who you step on on your way up, because you will meet them again on your way down.

The Superdelagates from Michigan and Florida should not be seated if the elected delagates are not. Dont these elected politicians and party big wigs represent the same people as the elected delagates? Oh, I forgot. The party rules or any rules for that matter, don't apply to them, after all they're "super" and they haven't cared what the voters think for years.

I really don't care what states were threatened by the DNC in the past.

I do wonder why 5 states broke the rules and moved their primaries up and only 2 were punished....Regardless of the DNC or the candidates positions all states need to vote.

FL and MI both had revote plans which were approved by the DNC.....Obama and his attorneys stopped them.

Obama promised FL he would make sure and "do the right thing" where FL was concerned. He promised at his only "rulebreaking" press conference with some local reporters.

If Obama was in Hillary's position he would have 100 lawyers working full time to get those votes counted.

Let's not forget that Obama's same spiritual advisor was personally invited to the White House to spiritually advise the Clintons after Bill got caught lying under oath about cheating on his wife.

Hillary won PA by 9.7% and there were some abseentee ballots not counted until yesterday in Clinton Stronghold. So it may go up a .1 percent.

I use to support Hillary. What's turning me off is now you see how poorly she manage her campaign. She even lied on her debt. She should have been 15 million in the red. Now she's talking she has the most popular vote. How can she count both FL & MI? In the beginning she and all the candidates signed that FL & MI was penalized for moving their primary. How can she even count MI when she was the only one on the ballot? She is really insulting voter's intelligence! Even the media is laughing at her. More and more I'm turned off at her lies. What will she do in the White house? She already said she will bomb Iran with all the US weapons at her disposal if they bomb Israel! The republicans want to go into Iran, will she follow? Now she's changing her stance on war? No negotiation with Iran? I have a son eighteen and one fourteen and I don't want to see them drafted. It may happen because the troops are spread thin. Over four thousand soldiers killed and the economy in a mess. Her and McCain will continue this path and bring us to ruin. How can I be so blind? She and McCain are bad news.

Gee whiz people think about it...when the Clintons had the WH previous, we all had jobs, we had roofs over our heads, food on the table, clothes on our backs, gas in the tanks...and this country was in a surplus! Do you have a problem with that?????

I am not exactly sure what this is about all this ‘tide is turning’ to Clinton? Perhaps the media is just spinning this to make a story last longer.

The result in Penn, well was it really 9 or 10 %? Whatever, the claim that Obama cannot win the big states against McCain is wrong, simple logic comes into play. In these contests, Obama was fighting one to one with Clinton, he was not up against McCain, it is obvious that the result would be very different if that was the case. If he was going up against McCain in Penn, he would not have had been up against the well ‘establishment’ machine supporting Clinton.

When in just a few weeks he got down the difference from 25% or so to 9 or 10 % whatever you wish to choose. This represents a massive swing. That was a good result for him.

My question is this. If the race to the White House is to be won be having the ‘blue collar workers’ or the ‘elderly’ on their side. Surely the media should be conducting opinion polls specifically targeting ‘blue collar workers’ or the ‘elderly’ with the simple question: “if in a general election the presidential candidates are Obama and McCain, who would you vote for?” That would give you a better answer to that ‘she is more experienced’ to win the bigger states.

This ‘hot potato’ and I am amazed the other networks have not picked this up, that is emerging is that the Clinton Campaign Chair threatened to strip Michigan of Delegates in 2004 if the DNC calendar is messed about with….Now the same is singing a different tune, to make sure they are counted. So my question goes back to first statement surely the tide is turning to Obama. Especially post Penn, he has had a string of high level endorsements.

Howard Dean said recently that the superdelegates can disregard the delegate count and the popular vote, if they chose to. Those are the party rules. That's fine. Let them go ahead. If black people (and a host of others, especially new voters) feel that this was a case of another stolen election,this time WITHIN the party, the Democrats will have no one to blame for continued time in the wilderness!

Adrian Millet

Is it just me or is there some kind hysteria driving this campaign?

As I understand it, when hysteria is driving, nothing has to add up, make sense, or be rational. That is because the actions are representing needs split from consciousness. I think.

Example: There's this drumbeat now, "Debate Me, You Chicken!!!" and even her local surrogates are taking it up. It's creepy how tacky and immature it is. Whether it pleases enough voters to send Obama home remains to be seen. But to me it seems like of loony. Like what are we getting if we put this person in charge of the free world?

She needs to demonstrate a little relaxation and a little reality therapy as those would be reassuring to some people she might votes from. If she can send Obama home, she's going to want a LOT of votes that right now she is alienating so recklessly.

Hillary wants two debates for the free air time! Where's all the money after Pennsylvania???

Adrian Millet

Hopesprings52, you are absolutely right!! this is a razor thin contest, and believe me....and I have heard this so many times from friends I know that live in other states....if they could take back their vote when they found out about Obama and his cast of characters......they would...and our girl Hillary would have had this thing by a landslide.

To many Americans are caught up in the race game, being blinded by race, religion and differences between us. Does any clear headed individual think that any of the candidates, All U.S. Senators are biased, racist or undemocratic? If yes, your vote should be taken away, because you are obviously disillusional. Think about the last eight years and the Damage to America. Vote on the issues that would benefit you and the Country. Then we will get the president we need. Vote on petty issues of race or bias and you will get the president you deserve.

Do some good for America vote with your brain.

I would like an Obama lover to stop fighting dirty all the time.

SHOW me the evidence Clinton and Obama agreed the primary and VOTE would not count.

They didnt. They agreed NO DELEGATES would be awarded.

The vote counts. Period.

Obama lovers, and the corrupt media that supports him, tries to BLEND in this idea that the WHOLE PRIMARY didnt count.

It sure did count.

-they set up the polling stations for democrats as well.

-they had ballots. They ALLOWED you to vote. They COUNTED up the ballots.

If it didnt count, they would have not done that in the first place.

Obama is an idiot for taking his name off the ballot in the first place.

I guess he could care less about all the folks who wanted to go out and support him anyways.

There were no delegates at stake. Why bother ? Right? Thats all that mattered to the guy.

DUMMY.

Wow, Jake, you're on fire. You're blogging better details and references than I've seen on the majors. I'd given up checking in here for information, but I see you're competitive. You're keeping up. Thank you for a good source of reporting.