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Clinton Wins Lackawanna With Only 74 Percent

April 23, 2008 6:53 AM

It really was a veritable stomping.

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, pummelled Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, with keystone.

ABC News Political Director David Chalian reports that Obama only won seven of the state's 67 counties -- Philly, Delaware, Dauphin, Chester, Lancaster, Centre and Union.

He lost two key suburban Philadelphia counties he needed to win. Clinton won Montgomery County 51% to 49%; she won Bucks County 63% to 37%.

Clinton won Lackawanna County, the home of Obama-backing Sen. Bob Casey, with 74% to Obama's 26%.

Pretty pathetic.

And yet, despite all this, as of now she has only netted 16 pledged delegates from this contest.

And the Democratic governor of Oklahoma -- a superdelegate -- just endorsed Obama.

So was this a tsunami or an ephemeral burst of confetti?

- jpt

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Maybe what we need here is a little investigative reporting. I can't believe the margins were that great in Bob Casey country.

I'm just saying maybe PA needs to check for some missing ballots or machine malfunctions don't ya think? Remember the Bronx in New York where there were 80 precincts that didn't get counted.

Posted by: Just Wondering | Apr 23, 2008 2:15:20 PM

You're welcome DavidS.

I was just going to check out yours..lol.

I haven't a clue about what standards they have. Some of my posts have been pulled and even reappeared. I've tried editing others and placing them up again, and rarely they stay.

It seems some are yanked for not staying on topic of the header, others seem to be pulled because they reference or answer another post they yanked, and even that isn't a guarantee.

I'm just as confused as you on some of them that are yanked, while others are allowed to stay.

Posted by: Cali girl | Apr 23, 2008 2:10:27 PM

Greg: If hillary's supporters REALLY would rather vote for Grandpa Munster than Barack, then they're not real Democrats.

But I suspect most of that is bluster. Real democrats will vote for the nominee in November. Count on it. Just like Republicans will vote for McCain regardless of what brainless idiots like Ann Coulter say today.

And finally, stop saying "lastly". You do not have the authority to determine when a conversation ends (with you having the last word, of course).

Posted by: DavidS | Apr 23, 2008 2:07:57 PM

Cali-girl: Very good link. Thanks for posting it!

I do wonder why the moderator of this blog keeps deleting posts? What are the standards they use?

Posted by: DavidS | Apr 23, 2008 2:04:07 PM

Why do comments keep disappearing from this blog? I've seen about a dozen disappear in the past few hours. What are the standards that moderators are using here? It seems quite odd.

Anyway, for those Democrats out there who are (for some reason) still bothered by the whole Rev. Wright business, I highly recommend this article by Marty Peretz, the publisher of The New Republic (and a Clinton supporter)

Posted by: DavidS | Apr 23, 2008 2:02:51 PM

Cool link...

I suspect it will be pulled soon, but here is a map that goes through the red state vs blue state votes from 1960 to present.

They don't have the most current primary info on that particular map, however one is animated as it goes through the elections.

Posted by: Cali girl | Apr 23, 2008 2:02:45 PM

Another observation, Greg: What has happened since Ohio's primary? Let's look at the numbers:

OH PA
60 and older 28 38
White 34 38
White men 39 44
White women 31 34
Less than $50K 42 46
No college 40 38
College 51 49
Catholic 36 31
Protestant 36 53


You seem to argue that because Mrs. Clinton beat Mr. Obama in Ohio, that means Obama would not be able to win Ohio in November against a Republican. But the trends seem to indicate that he is INCREASING his support in the demographics that concern you.

This seems to indicate increasing strength. And if that is happening even while he is locked in a tough battle with a strong opponent, then I see nothing but up-side once he is nominated and is running against the error-prone, highly flawed John McCain.

Posted by: DavidS | Apr 23, 2008 1:52:35 PM

greg -- i completely agree. enough said.

Posted by: LOM | Apr 23, 2008 1:49:12 PM

Greg:

As for your statment that "obama cant win catholics" . . . perhaps you could explain Maryland, then? Maryland is even more Catholic than Pennsylvania is, but Obama won there handily.

No, Social Justice Catholics will vote Democrat in November, whether the nominee is HIllary or Barack.

Posted by: DavidS | Apr 23, 2008 1:39:37 PM

davids we'll end it here ok... sadly, i voted for dukakis, gore and kerry and was a loser... i don't want to vote for another loser -obama- the rep dirty triks machine will grind him up into soup meat... and they have more than enough ammo... with or without him smoking crak or cocaine.... if hill smoked crak, obamaniacs would be all over the blogs with it....

you can't win in nov... with PA FL MI OH

Posted by: greg | Apr 23, 2008 1:37:38 PM

Greg: Yes, and Alabama voted for a Democratic governor. But that doesn't mean they are likely to vote Democrat for PResident, no matter WHO our nominee is.

Face it: Massachusettes (like Alabama) is not in play in November.

Posted by: DavidS | Apr 23, 2008 1:36:44 PM

davids -

mass voted for a GOP Gov. so obama could easily lose a reliably dem state... he's 15% points behind hill... he can't win catholics, he can't win the white house... can a dem win in nov without fl?

no way... what state is most like FL ... PA

Posted by: greg | Apr 23, 2008 1:33:07 PM

Greg: I did not say that it is "ok". I simply pointed out that your reliance on that fact is disingenuous.

Mr. Obama used illegal drugs when he was young. As did I. As did many people. As did Bill Clinton (and probably Hillary too, although she has never written or spoken about it). It is a non-issue.

And the fact that you keep bringing it up leads me to believe that you are not really a Democrat supporting HIllary but rather are a Republican in diguise, spreading dirt on our primaries.

Posted by: DavidS | Apr 23, 2008 1:30:16 PM

davids

are u saying using crack is ok because gwbush did as well???

no crack smoking or cocaine smoking in the white house

Barack will be painted quite easily as less than american - wright, rezco, ayers (terrorists who said they wanted to bomb more), dohrn, farrakhan, HAMAS in the church bulletin, and the list goes on...

That's why Hillary won't quit and why the superdelegates haven't put Barack Over the Top.

A vote for Barack is another vote for four more years of bush.
there are many Americans are voting for hillary out of concern that they don't know the real barack and there may be something sinister lurking...
and all these present votes don’t help

he's never gone through a tough election. he only won his senate seat because the republican incumbent scandalously dropped out of the race... and
In a time of war

john maccain's American credentials blow Barack out of the water when you consider what the republican sleaze machine will do with Obama’s connections to and with:
-James Wright's "god damn America" sermon,
-Antoine' Rezco, jailed political fixer
-domestic terrorists Ayers and Dorhn
these guys blew up 25 bombs in the US
-bitter small town Americans
-HAMAS in the church bulletin No more bush, means no more mccain. And Barack just gave the Republicans Swift boat Machine More ammunition.

Barack may be nominated, sadly DOA or on life support ELECTORALLY (McCain Crushes hime in big swing states). especially with the women leaving.

Barack will be painted quite easily as less than american - wright, rezco, ayers, dohrn, farrakhan, HAMAS in the church bulletin, and the list goes on... That's why Hillary won't quit and why the superdelegates haven't put Barack Over the Top.

Posted by: greg | Apr 23, 2008 1:27:41 PM

Greg: the "smoking crack" reference is from the Larry Sinclair allegations. By the way, has Obama ever been asked about that? You can be sure the republicans are all set with the Sinclair files -- true or false doesn't matter to them.

Posted by: cappamore | Apr 23, 2008 1:27:35 PM

Greg: Obama did NOT admit "smoking crack" - he admitted to using cocaine (a slight difference there).

George W. Bush also used cocaine as a young man. That didn't seem to stop Republicans from supporting him. But different rules seem to aply to Democrats, huh?

Posted by: DavidS | Apr 23, 2008 1:21:01 PM

HoosierSue: If we assume that Clinton primary voters will NOT support the Democratic candidate in November if it is not Mrs. Clinton, then you are correct. But I have more faith in my fellow Democrats than that.

Just because one's first choice doesn't win the nomination is no reason to jump to the GOP. It is sad that so many Hillary supporters have indicated just that. Hopefully, it is nothing more than sour grapes. But I am still convined that they will return to the fold come November.

take your Massachusets example: Mass is a HUGELY "blue" state. Do you REALLY think that Massachusettes will go GOP in November rather than vote for Obama? I seriously doubt that. But this seems to be the argument we're hearing from Clinton supporters. I just don't buy it.

Posted by: DavidS | Apr 23, 2008 1:18:37 PM

if obama can't win the catholic vote - hillary has 65% - he CAN'T win the white house...

Current total votes from abcnews.com

Clinton 1585 15,013,846
Obama 1716 14,900,819

PA PUTS CLINTON BACK ON TOP

clinton takes over nationwide popular vote numbers in Pennsylvania and wins nomination.

FLORIDA and PENNSYLVANIA are identical demographically speaking.

Who is more likely to win FL and all the other big states? That should be the dem nom.

Barack will be painted quite easily as less than american - wright, rezco, ayers, dohrn, farrakhan, HAMAS in the church bulletin, and the list goes on...

the draft dodging darth cheney and bush swiftboated a congressional medal of honor winning john kerry,,,
the rovian dirty tricks bag is limitless and they can't kill hillary --- her ideas wont die.
Hillary got tough questions for 16 months as the front runner, now obama cant handle the heat unless its from the end of his pipe or cigarette.

no smoking in the whitehouse

and yes ... he admitted smoking CRack in his youth.... if hillary did, she would be gone a long time ago.... Hillary fired her campaign manager in NHampshire for talking about it.... though ..the republicans are going to grind him ito soup meat, if he wins ... a vote for barack is a vote for mccain.now u can't win in November WHEN IT COUNTS THE MOST
with out FLORIDA
and PENNSYLVANIA

Posted by: greg | Apr 23, 2008 1:17:45 PM

I just watched an interesting interview of Claire "my daughter called me a slug" McCaskill. Chris Matthews asked why Obama isn't really driving home the bread and butter issues, etc. Just moments after doing the "Obama is authentic.. doesn't just say things to win" routine, she said that right now he's got to be careful what he says so he'll be able to bring the Clinton supporters into his fold. Then, she said, we'll see a sharp pivot as he runs against McCain. Right. Mr. Authenticity.

Posted by: cappamore | Apr 23, 2008 1:13:07 PM

I think the wild card in Pennsylvania is that Obama outspent Clinton 2 and 3 and 4 to one in different media markets and still couldn't win. In a general election, that's a problem anyway you look at it.

Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 23, 2008 1:11:22 PM

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