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Clyburn Says Blacks Think Clintons "Hell-Bound" to Irreparably Damage Obama

April 25, 2008 9:52 AM

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-SC, the highest-ranking African-American in the Congress, has some tough assessments of la famille Clinton today.

To Reuters, Clyburn -- who is officially neutral in the Democratic presidential race -- repeated the speculation that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, is looking to destroy Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, so that Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., wins the White House in November and Clinton can make another run in 2012.

"I heard something, the first time yesterday (in South Carolina), and I heard it on the (House) floor today, which is telling me there are African Americans who have reached the decision that the Clintons know that she can’t win this," Clyburn said. "But they're hell-bound to make it impossible for Obama to win."

Clyburn did not call for Clinton to bow out, just to take the rhetoric down a notch.

"There's a difference between dropping out and raising all this extraneous scurrilous stuff about the guy (Obama). Just run your campaign … you don’t have to drop out to be respectful of other people."

Clyburn also took aim at the Clinton campaign's sudden voting-rights fever for Florida and Michigan to count, even though those states disobeyed party rules and held contests in which no candidate competed and where, in the case of Michigan, Obama wasn't even on the ballot.

"I think it's so disingenuous … (adviser James) Carville and Sen. Clinton were all on TV. I've seen them two or three times this week, talking about counting Florida and Michigan."

Obama did not campaign in those states because the Democratic Party said Florida and Michigan wouldn’t be included in the formal tally for the nomination. "Her name was the only one on the ticket in Michigan and still 42, 43 percent of the vote was against her," Clyburn said.

To the New York Times Clyburn said there was a near "unanimous" view among blacks that the Clintons are "committed to doing everything they possibly can to damage Obama to a point that he could never win."

Clyburn also said of the many comments former President Bill Clinton has made about race -- most recently his curious complaint that the Obama camp played the race card against him, then his denial that he'd said that -- that "black people are incensed over all of this."

"When he was going through his impeachment problems, it was the black community that bellied up to the bar," Clyburn said. "I think black folks feel strongly that that this is a strange way for President Clinton to show his appreciation."

- jpt

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Despite being an outsider, i have been following up you campaigns but there things that make me see Americans as hopeless people. For example, how do you associate someone with his ex-pastor? Would you take responsibility for your ex-wife or girlfriend doings? This makes me see as "not so serious people" as we think you're.
I have gone through the comments up and i think race is still haunting America, trust me. I am surprised that at this era there still some whites Americans who cant vote for Obama because he is black? God damn America.

Posted by: Richard | Apr 27, 2008 11:42:35 PM

I find it pretty comical that the pundits and Obama camp think McCain (and Rove - who's working for him) won't be able to figure out how to attack Obama without Clinton's help. Give me a break. For example, McCain is now saying he knows of other offensive statements made by Rev. Wright.

This is an absurd, completely lame argument

Posted by: Teri B. | Apr 27, 2008 6:43:50 PM

Same ole' same ole'. When Obama send out false flyers and I personally have heard him making false statements, it is okay. But let Hillary or Bill defend themselves or show Obama is what Obama is. It is called racist. Look how ABC was chastised for one debate after Hillary took the guff for 20 debates. There are not any two people in politics today who have done more for the blacks and the little guy than the Clintons. Yet who really turned their backs on the Clintons for one of their color including Clyburn? I know the frustration, having been a victim of reverse discrimination after working for years for integration in the schools. First you are terribly hurt, then you get frustrated, then you get mad. We all know that Bill Clinton was even said to be the first black president. That is why we have to vote for Hillary. The world leaders won't give slack for the race card when you are a president of a country like ours.

Posted by: Davanna2 | Apr 27, 2008 4:50:15 PM

It's funny that Clinton flat-out lies about things, and in the case of the Bosnia sniper story, she admitted during the ABC debate that she made it up when she said it! It came out of her mouth. Yet Clinton can only attach Obama and his campaign to another public scandal.

Obama is responsible for a preacher's words - and in comparison, he's no worse than Limbaugh, who supports Clinton. According to Clinton and her supporters, Obama is responsible for the media's comments against her. Clinton criticized Obama for casting a vote in the senate that Clinton herself voted for.

Yet after all of that, during the debate, Obama (essentially) forgave Clinton for her lies. And she decided to attack tenfold.

I don't want women out there to think that's the right way to get what we want. I am disappointed in how Clinton acts, and I'm afraid only her own personal agenda will ever gain her focus.

Clinton is a spoiled rich bully that will do anything to get her way. She has the money and power to intimidate a vote, and she uses her gender to sway votes - kind of disgusting to me.

Vote for Obama during your primary & in November 2008!

Posted by: Jen Boileau | Apr 27, 2008 2:29:11 PM

Perhaps Clinton is trying to save us from our own stupidity.

The "list" is growing:
Wright
Meeks
Ayers
Abongo "Roy" Obama
Rashid Khalidi
Robert Malley
Hamas
McPeaks
Rezko
Auchi
Jodie Evans Code Pink

Posted by: mpwdc | Apr 27, 2008 4:01:22 AM

Clyburn is full of himself. Obama's campaign has played the race card over and over. Anything about Obama that is less than praise is deemed racist by his supporters and his campaign. All those Hillary voters in Pennsylvania were racists..Ferraro was labeled a a racist. For the Clintons to be labeled racists is absurd. Obama people need to look in the mirror. They also need to stop blaming Clinton for his problems with voters. Clinton did not make him sit in Wright's church. She did not make him put his foot in his mouth in San Francisco. She did not write Michelle Obama's famous speech. She did not make JODIE EVANS support Obama...wait for that one to hit mainstream.

Posted by: mpwdc | Apr 27, 2008 3:48:01 AM

Rick, here's something about
Hillary and Michigan you should know:
Clinton herself said, in October 2007, "It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything." She said she was keeping her name on the ballot (unlike her competitors) just so when it came time for the general election she could argue she had not ignored the state.

It wasn't until Clinton lost the Iowa caucuses in January that she acted as if the Florida and Michigan contests had any meaning at all. As Tallahassee political journalist S.V. Dáte recently wrote in Slate, "Last summer and fall, when the DNC made these decisions, she had a lot more clout. She exercised none of it."

Posted by: reaganfan | Apr 27, 2008 1:13:16 AM

Please what was Bill suppose to just lay down for Obama, Sorry thats his wife and she is the better candidate.
He is so unelectable its not even funny,
has to go away.

Posted by: Melissa | Apr 27, 2008 12:34:09 AM

Kerri,

BRAVO

BRAVO

BRAVO

CLAP

CLAP

CLAP

I agree Kerri. I personally am insulted that her campaign has been conducted in the manner that it has. Nothing but division by race, gender, income levels....you name it, she has manipulated her way to where she is now. She hasn't done nothing in this life to be where she is, not one thing. I agree with you and so do countless other women. Well said.

Posted by: Denise | Apr 26, 2008 10:58:04 PM

There is NO WAY in hell that I would EVER vote for HILLARY Clinton.

As far as Obama giving Hillary the middle finger, review the tape and release yourself from being stuck on stupid!

Posted by: Faithe | Apr 26, 2008 10:18:59 PM

the one person who wants to keep the race conversation going is
Barack obama
it keeps us from hearing what he has to say about the issues that face us today.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 26, 2008 2:53:34 PM

Amazed:
Let's not forget how Bill Clinton
had a chance to get Osama Bin Laden from
the Sudan and turned them down!
Let's not forget the first World Trade
Center Bombing,let's not forget the
Oklahoma City Bombing, let's not forget
the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole!
Let's not forget that Clinton's Attorney
General Janet Reno and her Assistant,
Jamie Gorelick set up the intelligence
wall between the FBI and the CIA which prevented them from sharing information
and resulted in the 9/11 plot not being discovered in time!
It seems to me that a lot of the supporters of Hillary Clinton have forgotten these facts or just don't care!

Posted by: reaganfan | Apr 26, 2008 11:43:05 AM

So now an Obama surrogate has brought up the Monica attack.......they were doing it on CNN too, And they are using the Monica attack wrapped in the threat that Black voters will abandon Clinton if she wins....wonder if well see more of this. This is not the Clinton's attacking anyone this is the low down new politics of Obama,


Politics as usual on both sides!

Posted by: Jackie | Apr 26, 2008 10:10:11 AM

ROFL Who is the racist < I think Mr obama should be called to the floor for his elitist comments to sf billionaires.
Bottom line Obamas message to america , if your uneducated, white and a racist
you will not vote for me . I won't vote for Obama because of his record. I won't vote for obabma because of his associations with wright, farakahn,rezko and iranian billionaires. I will not vote for obama because he's lied about his funding. I will not vote for obama because his liberal stances, i will not vote for obama because his statements of new politics is backed by old politics, kerry and kennedy pelosi, reid who have lower numbers then bush.

Posted by: Carol | Apr 26, 2008 8:04:28 AM

Role Model for Children - Obama

A week ago Obama gave the 'finger' to Hillary on national television and smugly laughed about it with his audience. Is this type of malicious immaturity what you want your children to learn: lack of tolerance, vengeance and the bully mentality? After that one event, besides the mindless and uneducated, how could anyone seriously consider this Obama for any office?

Also, Obama's state-senate candidacy was launched at Weather Underground bombers Ayers house in 1995. Ayers who advocates the violent destruction of America may have much more to do with promoting Obama than we know. The organization MoveOn has aggressively intimidated delegates to vote for Obama and to shun Hillary and is likely closely connected with Ayers. Ayers finally got his bomb - Obama.

Obama also rigged his election to become senator by unfairly disqualifying his opponents. He did this by meticulously finding fault with each of the other candidates signed petitions until each of the contenders had to drop out, Obama was the last one standing, there was no election. This was another finger gesture towards the American public by Obama.

If this isn't enough, look at Obama's affiliations:
Wright
Meeks
Ayers
Abongo "Roy" Obama
Rashid Khalidi
Robert Malley
Hamas
McPeaks
Rezko
Auchi

And the list goes on...

This may be the time of the Anti-Christ, but do you want to be on the list of people who voted for him?

Posted by: Samuel Redson | Apr 26, 2008 2:52:41 AM

I too believe Hilary and Bill Clinton are attempting to take Barack Obama down. Mr. Clyburn has spoken facts. He has been around long enough to know how politics in Washington work.

When Hilary and Bill Clinton met with Richard Mellon Scaife in Pennsylvania and got his endorsement, I knew plans were being made. Scaife a Republican is same person who financed the investigation to take down then President Bill Clinton. Mr. Scaife belongs to a pretty nasty group of Republicans that handle the dirty projects to get their candidate elected. And Republicans are already attacking Barack Obama. Some mutual agreement between the Clintons and Scaife will eventually come out.

These elected officials who are paid by the government should have to follows same legal work place laws. The Senate and Congress each have rules they must abide by. Each candidate is legally responsible for their campaign and individuals associated with their campaign. Workers in the workplace are fired for any discrimination conduct.
Is anyone taking these individuals on????

This is 2008 and such conduct should not be tolerated. FYI - I am a Republican caucasian and am very disappointed. Democratic Race has been exciting and if my choice wins Democratic nomination I will vote for the Democrat.

Posted by: Sharon | Apr 26, 2008 12:04:21 AM

The division within the party is sickening to see in these comments. Hillary was unable to close the deal and is behind now, so much she cannot catch up. So, she invents alternative interpretations of how the delegate math should be played. Apparently, it includes only the states she won. Why did she opt for a big-state strategy? Didn't she read the rules before the game began? I really wouldn't think of entrusting the welfare of the country to someone who has run such an incompetent campaign. When you start with all the advantages, and your back is up against the wall for almost 5 months now, this is not a position I ever want my country to be in , and it seems like a too likely place with her at the helm. I'm not afraid of her inability to handle the 3 a.m. calls. I'm afraid of the quagmire, because she cannot detach and get her ego separated from what is good for the country. She strikes me as a lot like Bush, who was anticipating an easy win in Iraq and got us into a 100 year quagmire that will bleed this country just as bin Laden so fervently hopes it will. In the same way Hillary underestimated the fight she faced , and was as helpless after super Tuesday, as the Americans were in Bagdad when the post-invasion rioting began. Like Bush, she sees nothing wrong with America paying the price for her incompetency. She has 0 judgment if she didn't foresee this result from her desperate come-from-behind assault on the Democratic Party. She has sickened not just blacks, but others with her gutter fighting. Why are the wise heads of the party against her: Kennedy, Carter , Pelosi, Richardson, Dodd, Kerry, if she is so exactly what this country needs? I am a 55 year old woman and I would cringe if she became President. A lot of people are thinking Lady MacBeth. It's absurd to say Obama played the race card. Edward Kennedy pleaded with Bill Clinton to elevate the tone of their campaign to make it respectful. When he wouldn't back off he endorsed Obama. This same judgment has been made again and again: white politicians have abandoned her because they are upset with the way she has "fun". The rest of the country is just laughing at the spectacle. She is 'rebranding' the Democratic Party and it most decidedly is not good. People are wondering why someone with authority does not tell her you don't get to change the rules just because you are losing by them. Her sense of entitlemengt is truly staggering. Her instincts are 100% wrong for this dangerous period in history. She gets backed into a corner and spits and claws. I think we need a calmer temperament at the helm. These "stay the course" types have not been good for the country. We don't need her swagger. I think she is trying to win the 2000 election or the 2004, so she thinks she has to be Bush II to win. We've already been there, done that, and if all she is going to offer is a Bush clone, just as she did on the Iraq vote, she's not going to be the next President. McCain fills that role already. Hillary, close the deal!! We need to see you can attract the black vote and not just 15%. It is so cynical to bray about how Obama is having trouble with the Bush Democrats, who are useless without the other parts of the party anyway, while not acknowledging that you are having even worse problems with the black vote. I am glad Representative Clyburne spoke out, because for all the discussion about race, he finally made me see how it must feel in this country to be black. I really don't think the Democrats deserve the black vote. Hillary's focus on Pennsyvania amounts to no more than an underlying assumption that a white man's vote should count for more than a
black man's. How long ago was the Civil War? So Obama is talking down to the white folk, she claims. He's an elitist, she says. So why is he campaigning his heart out to get their vote? I haven't seen her going much out of her way to court the black vote. But, unless black votes are inherently of less worth than a white vote, she should be spending 90% of her time on the black vote she can't seem to close the deal with. It has been shocking to discover racism so deeply embedded in the heart of the Democratic Party. I hope Hillary and Bill Clinton can hear what he is saying. It is so important for them to get. No amount of attention to the issues, can give you a free pass
to unthinkingly devalue anyone else's vote. Especially with all the emphasis on every state voting and Florida and Michigan.

Well, there is a way to heal the Party. Clinton and Obama need to turn the next few primaries on their head. Clinton does nothing but court the black vote with Obama's blessing and he gets to address the Reagan Democrats with her full blessing. We get mirror image voting patterns and everyone feels they are respected. They agree to flip a coin for 1 and 2. All the bitterness is gone. Then they sweep America even if they can't stand each other. It'll work!

Posted by: Tina | Apr 26, 2008 12:01:55 AM

jgaw,

Tavis Smiley was forced to quit his Tom Joyner radio gig because he critcized Obama for not attending his black issues forum -which Clinton did. So even black folks who has worked their entire adult lives to better black people are being thrown under the bus by racist black Obama supporters.

Posted by: geevill | Apr 25, 2008 11:52:57 PM

Hillary and McCain are working together-Hillary may even become a Republican and be the Vice- President with McCain-She is not a Democrat she is whatever she needs to be to win. She is not loyal to any party -SHE DOES NOT CARE IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS DIVIDED -She is POWER hungry. But right now their JOINT goal is to destroy Obama because if he's in THEY CAN'T WIN.

Posted by: linda jackson | Apr 25, 2008 11:35:26 PM

Right on cue after taking a BIG bashing in a BIG state, out come the Obama surrogates bashing Hillary for making Obama look bad and crying racism! This is getting ridiculous! Obama has drafted his new strategy for avoiding debates, revotes in MI and FL and interviews, anytime there is any criticism of him, his friends, his associates, his pastor, his secret comments made at fancy parties, cry RACISM! After all, Obama is uniting our country in his quest for the presidency.
SAY NO TO THE MEDIA CHOOSING THE NOMINEE!

Posted by: calli | Apr 25, 2008 11:13:39 PM

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