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Despite being an outsider, i have been following up you campaigns but there things that make me see Americans as hopeless people. For example, how do you associate someone with his ex-pastor? Would you take responsibility for your ex-wife or girlfriend doings? This makes me see as "not so serious people" as we think you're.
I have gone through the comments up and i think race is still haunting America, trust me. I am surprised that at this era there still some whites Americans who cant vote for Obama because he is black? God damn America.

I find it pretty comical that the pundits and Obama camp think McCain (and Rove - who's working for him) won't be able to figure out how to attack Obama without Clinton's help. Give me a break. For example, McCain is now saying he knows of other offensive statements made by Rev. Wright.

This is an absurd, completely lame argument

Same ole' same ole'. When Obama send out false flyers and I personally have heard him making false statements, it is okay. But let Hillary or Bill defend themselves or show Obama is what Obama is. It is called racist. Look how ABC was chastised for one debate after Hillary took the guff for 20 debates. There are not any two people in politics today who have done more for the blacks and the little guy than the Clintons. Yet who really turned their backs on the Clintons for one of their color including Clyburn? I know the frustration, having been a victim of reverse discrimination after working for years for integration in the schools. First you are terribly hurt, then you get frustrated, then you get mad. We all know that Bill Clinton was even said to be the first black president. That is why we have to vote for Hillary. The world leaders won't give slack for the race card when you are a president of a country like ours.

It's funny that Clinton flat-out lies about things, and in the case of the Bosnia sniper story, she admitted during the ABC debate that she made it up when she said it! It came out of her mouth. Yet Clinton can only attach Obama and his campaign to another public scandal.

Obama is responsible for a preacher's words - and in comparison, he's no worse than Limbaugh, who supports Clinton. According to Clinton and her supporters, Obama is responsible for the media's comments against her. Clinton criticized Obama for casting a vote in the senate that Clinton herself voted for.

Yet after all of that, during the debate, Obama (essentially) forgave Clinton for her lies. And she decided to attack tenfold.

I don't want women out there to think that's the right way to get what we want. I am disappointed in how Clinton acts, and I'm afraid only her own personal agenda will ever gain her focus.

Clinton is a spoiled rich bully that will do anything to get her way. She has the money and power to intimidate a vote, and she uses her gender to sway votes - kind of disgusting to me.

Vote for Obama during your primary & in November 2008!

Perhaps Clinton is trying to save us from our own stupidity.

The "list" is growing:
Wright
Meeks
Ayers
Abongo "Roy" Obama
Rashid Khalidi
Robert Malley
Hamas
McPeaks
Rezko
Auchi
Jodie Evans Code Pink

Clyburn is full of himself. Obama's campaign has played the race card over and over. Anything about Obama that is less than praise is deemed racist by his supporters and his campaign. All those Hillary voters in Pennsylvania were racists..Ferraro was labeled a a racist. For the Clintons to be labeled racists is absurd. Obama people need to look in the mirror. They also need to stop blaming Clinton for his problems with voters. Clinton did not make him sit in Wright's church. She did not make him put his foot in his mouth in San Francisco. She did not write Michelle Obama's famous speech. She did not make JODIE EVANS support Obama...wait for that one to hit mainstream.

Rick, here's something about
Hillary and Michigan you should know:
Clinton herself said, in October 2007, "It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything." She said she was keeping her name on the ballot (unlike her competitors) just so when it came time for the general election she could argue she had not ignored the state.

It wasn't until Clinton lost the Iowa caucuses in January that she acted as if the Florida and Michigan contests had any meaning at all. As Tallahassee political journalist S.V. Dáte recently wrote in Slate, "Last summer and fall, when the DNC made these decisions, she had a lot more clout. She exercised none of it."

Please what was Bill suppose to just lay down for Obama, Sorry thats his wife and she is the better candidate.
He is so unelectable its not even funny,
has to go away.

Kerri,

BRAVO

BRAVO

BRAVO

CLAP

CLAP

CLAP

I agree Kerri. I personally am insulted that her campaign has been conducted in the manner that it has. Nothing but division by race, gender, income levels....you name it, she has manipulated her way to where she is now. She hasn't done nothing in this life to be where she is, not one thing. I agree with you and so do countless other women. Well said.

There is NO WAY in hell that I would EVER vote for HILLARY Clinton.

As far as Obama giving Hillary the middle finger, review the tape and release yourself from being stuck on stupid!

the one person who wants to keep the race conversation going is
Barack obama
it keeps us from hearing what he has to say about the issues that face us today.

Amazed:
Let's not forget how Bill Clinton
had a chance to get Osama Bin Laden from
the Sudan and turned them down!
Let's not forget the first World Trade
Center Bombing,let's not forget the
Oklahoma City Bombing, let's not forget
the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole!
Let's not forget that Clinton's Attorney
General Janet Reno and her Assistant,
Jamie Gorelick set up the intelligence
wall between the FBI and the CIA which prevented them from sharing information
and resulted in the 9/11 plot not being discovered in time!
It seems to me that a lot of the supporters of Hillary Clinton have forgotten these facts or just don't care!

So now an Obama surrogate has brought up the Monica attack.......they were doing it on CNN too, And they are using the Monica attack wrapped in the threat that Black voters will abandon Clinton if she wins....wonder if well see more of this. This is not the Clinton's attacking anyone this is the low down new politics of Obama,

Politics as usual on both sides!

ROFL Who is the racist < I think Mr obama should be called to the floor for his elitist comments to sf billionaires.
Bottom line Obamas message to america , if your uneducated, white and a racist
you will not vote for me . I won't vote for Obama because of his record. I won't vote for obabma because of his associations with wright, farakahn,rezko and iranian billionaires. I will not vote for obama because he's lied about his funding. I will not vote for obama because his liberal stances, i will not vote for obama because his statements of new politics is backed by old politics, kerry and kennedy pelosi, reid who have lower numbers then bush.

Role Model for Children - Obama

A week ago Obama gave the 'finger' to Hillary on national television and smugly laughed about it with his audience. Is this type of malicious immaturity what you want your children to learn: lack of tolerance, vengeance and the bully mentality? After that one event, besides the mindless and uneducated, how could anyone seriously consider this Obama for any office?

Also, Obama's state-senate candidacy was launched at Weather Underground bombers Ayers house in 1995. Ayers who advocates the violent destruction of America may have much more to do with promoting Obama than we know. The organization MoveOn has aggressively intimidated delegates to vote for Obama and to shun Hillary and is likely closely connected with Ayers. Ayers finally got his bomb - Obama.

Obama also rigged his election to become senator by unfairly disqualifying his opponents. He did this by meticulously finding fault with each of the other candidates signed petitions until each of the contenders had to drop out, Obama was the last one standing, there was no election. This was another finger gesture towards the American public by Obama.

If this isn't enough, look at Obama's affiliations:
Wright
Meeks
Ayers
Abongo "Roy" Obama
Rashid Khalidi
Robert Malley
Hamas
McPeaks
Rezko
Auchi

And the list goes on...

This may be the time of the Anti-Christ, but do you want to be on the list of people who voted for him?

I too believe Hilary and Bill Clinton are attempting to take Barack Obama down. Mr. Clyburn has spoken facts. He has been around long enough to know how politics in Washington work.

When Hilary and Bill Clinton met with Richard Mellon Scaife in Pennsylvania and got his endorsement, I knew plans were being made. Scaife a Republican is same person who financed the investigation to take down then President Bill Clinton. Mr. Scaife belongs to a pretty nasty group of Republicans that handle the dirty projects to get their candidate elected. And Republicans are already attacking Barack Obama. Some mutual agreement between the Clintons and Scaife will eventually come out.

These elected officials who are paid by the government should have to follows same legal work place laws. The Senate and Congress each have rules they must abide by. Each candidate is legally responsible for their campaign and individuals associated with their campaign. Workers in the workplace are fired for any discrimination conduct.
Is anyone taking these individuals on????

This is 2008 and such conduct should not be tolerated. FYI - I am a Republican caucasian and am very disappointed. Democratic Race has been exciting and if my choice wins Democratic nomination I will vote for the Democrat.

The division within the party is sickening to see in these comments. Hillary was unable to close the deal and is behind now, so much she cannot catch up. So, she invents alternative interpretations of how the delegate math should be played. Apparently, it includes only the states she won. Why did she opt for a big-state strategy? Didn't she read the rules before the game began? I really wouldn't think of entrusting the welfare of the country to someone who has run such an incompetent campaign. When you start with all the advantages, and your back is up against the wall for almost 5 months now, this is not a position I ever want my country to be in , and it seems like a too likely place with her at the helm. I'm not afraid of her inability to handle the 3 a.m. calls. I'm afraid of the quagmire, because she cannot detach and get her ego separated from what is good for the country. She strikes me as a lot like Bush, who was anticipating an easy win in Iraq and got us into a 100 year quagmire that will bleed this country just as bin Laden so fervently hopes it will. In the same way Hillary underestimated the fight she faced , and was as helpless after super Tuesday, as the Americans were in Bagdad when the post-invasion rioting began. Like Bush, she sees nothing wrong with America paying the price for her incompetency. She has 0 judgment if she didn't foresee this result from her desperate come-from-behind assault on the Democratic Party. She has sickened not just blacks, but others with her gutter fighting. Why are the wise heads of the party against her: Kennedy, Carter , Pelosi, Richardson, Dodd, Kerry, if she is so exactly what this country needs? I am a 55 year old woman and I would cringe if she became President. A lot of people are thinking Lady MacBeth. It's absurd to say Obama played the race card. Edward Kennedy pleaded with Bill Clinton to elevate the tone of their campaign to make it respectful. When he wouldn't back off he endorsed Obama. This same judgment has been made again and again: white politicians have abandoned her because they are upset with the way she has "fun". The rest of the country is just laughing at the spectacle. She is 'rebranding' the Democratic Party and it most decidedly is not good. People are wondering why someone with authority does not tell her you don't get to change the rules just because you are losing by them. Her sense of entitlemengt is truly staggering. Her instincts are 100% wrong for this dangerous period in history. She gets backed into a corner and spits and claws. I think we need a calmer temperament at the helm. These "stay the course" types have not been good for the country. We don't need her swagger. I think she is trying to win the 2000 election or the 2004, so she thinks she has to be Bush II to win. We've already been there, done that, and if all she is going to offer is a Bush clone, just as she did on the Iraq vote, she's not going to be the next President. McCain fills that role already. Hillary, close the deal!! We need to see you can attract the black vote and not just 15%. It is so cynical to bray about how Obama is having trouble with the Bush Democrats, who are useless without the other parts of the party anyway, while not acknowledging that you are having even worse problems with the black vote. I am glad Representative Clyburne spoke out, because for all the discussion about race, he finally made me see how it must feel in this country to be black. I really don't think the Democrats deserve the black vote. Hillary's focus on Pennsyvania amounts to no more than an underlying assumption that a white man's vote should count for more than a
black man's. How long ago was the Civil War? So Obama is talking down to the white folk, she claims. He's an elitist, she says. So why is he campaigning his heart out to get their vote? I haven't seen her going much out of her way to court the black vote. But, unless black votes are inherently of less worth than a white vote, she should be spending 90% of her time on the black vote she can't seem to close the deal with. It has been shocking to discover racism so deeply embedded in the heart of the Democratic Party. I hope Hillary and Bill Clinton can hear what he is saying. It is so important for them to get. No amount of attention to the issues, can give you a free pass
to unthinkingly devalue anyone else's vote. Especially with all the emphasis on every state voting and Florida and Michigan.

Well, there is a way to heal the Party. Clinton and Obama need to turn the next few primaries on their head. Clinton does nothing but court the black vote with Obama's blessing and he gets to address the Reagan Democrats with her full blessing. We get mirror image voting patterns and everyone feels they are respected. They agree to flip a coin for 1 and 2. All the bitterness is gone. Then they sweep America even if they can't stand each other. It'll work!

jgaw,

Tavis Smiley was forced to quit his Tom Joyner radio gig because he critcized Obama for not attending his black issues forum -which Clinton did. So even black folks who has worked their entire adult lives to better black people are being thrown under the bus by racist black Obama supporters.

Hillary and McCain are working together-Hillary may even become a Republican and be the Vice- President with McCain-She is not a Democrat she is whatever she needs to be to win. She is not loyal to any party -SHE DOES NOT CARE IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS DIVIDED -She is POWER hungry. But right now their JOINT goal is to destroy Obama because if he's in THEY CAN'T WIN.

Right on cue after taking a BIG bashing in a BIG state, out come the Obama surrogates bashing Hillary for making Obama look bad and crying racism! This is getting ridiculous! Obama has drafted his new strategy for avoiding debates, revotes in MI and FL and interviews, anytime there is any criticism of him, his friends, his associates, his pastor, his secret comments made at fancy parties, cry RACISM! After all, Obama is uniting our country in his quest for the presidency.
SAY NO TO THE MEDIA CHOOSING THE NOMINEE!

Oh along comes the race card again!

You Democrats amaze me. Why does your party always run candidates who are losers? Can't the Democratic Party find any candidates out there who are level headed and morally acceptable to Main Street America? The Clintons are losers and now Obama. Why didn't the Democrats support a good and decent candidate like Senator Joe Biden? He has the foreign policy experience and the legislative background to be a good commander-in-chief. But, oh no, the Dems want to make history! Well, you folks will soon see that liberalism in America is about to become history.

I hope any of my black brothers and siters reading this will just ask yourselves a few questions.
Why has obama snubbed the Black press?
Why did obama decline the invitation to speak at the State of the Black union?
(for every election year that it has been going on the presidental cand. gave a speech-except barack)

Why did obama and his handlers purposely say no thanks to meeting with the established black leadership.
(obama does not care about the special needs of the black community)

Mr. clyburn should remember-at least bill clinton tried to include black people at the table.

obama' table was already filled. before the black people showed up.

this question really is who is barack obama-the uniter-he and his people have managed to divide this country and set race relations back 50 years.
and if you think about it this is right in line with his leftist radical supporters and I believe his views and their agenda-they would love for this country to be torn up.
the only way we can heal race relations
is to first unite to try to resolve the ecomonic issue for all.
obama cannot do that.
if you want real equality
vote for hillary-she is the strongest on the economy.
obama only copies.
obama will have people back in the welfare line, on food stamps, and remodeling the projects-that bill clinton started to tear down and build good housing.

a vote for obama is a vote against YOUR economic interest.
think about it people...

Okay, here we go again. It was predicted by a number of individuals that the Obama supporters would try to play the race card shortly before NC and, sure enough, Clyburn is out there trying to get the AA's riled up again over some imaginary trumped up claim. Obama is damaging himself by "clinging" statements and promoting McCain for president. Clyburn is so transparent it is ridiculous. This is the kind of stuff that is setting race relations back by 25 years. Obama chose to set in front of a crackpot minister for 20 years listening to him spew racist remarks. No way would I sit in front of a minister for 20 years and listen to him say derogatory remarks about AA's. I'd get up and walk out and even if I was related to the minister, I would take him to task over the remarks and if he didn't stop it, I'd go find another church. Chicago is a big town, there have to be an assortment of AA churches. Oprah got up and walked out.

Clyburn didn't seem to mind Oprahpalooza rallies - Oprah telling African Americans to vote for THE ONE -
the black one!

Didn't hear a peep out of Clyburn after Jesse Jackson's racist remarks about Hillary during the NH primary - "she didn't cry over Katrina victims."

Nothing from Clyburn about Obama's sexist remarks about Hillary - "her claws come out" and she's "too emotional."

Hillary has been too kind to Obama!

Clyburn is repeating conspiracy theories found on Obama blogs - about Hillary and 2012.

Reminds me of Judy Miller's NYT articles based on bogus info provided by BushCo.
Then Cheney goes on Meet the Press and holds up the NYT and says - "see, there are WMDs in Iraq."

Clyburn really stooped low for this one.

so here's the story!

As you can see from the win for Obama in Iowa, whites are more than ready to vote for a black man.

At that time, Obama came across and a great orator and NO BAGGAGE!

Travelling light is truly the way to go.... but everyone has a history. And as time went by, more and more of Obama's history was uncovered.

And some of it was unsavory.... like his permitting Rezko's tenements and tenants to go heatless because Rezko claimed he didn't have money to pay the bill...... While at the same time, Obama was taking money from him

And some of it was "unfinished" like his 135 "present" votes.

And some of it was downright evil.... like his voting for late term (live) abortions!

And some of it was scary.....like his being a magnetic field for such anti democracy people as Auchi and Ayers, and his contacts in Hamas and.... of course, his beloved pastor, Mr. Wright.

It's kind of like the onion tale..... as the layers are peeled, more of the fleshy part of the fruit is revealed.... and more of the SMELL!!!!!

Back to the beginning.

There were A LOT of white folk who were willing to vote for Obama...back then.

So do not say this is about race.... (Unless you're ready to admit that this very well might be a reverse-race case ;-) )

But eventually, the warm fuzzy feeling that emanated from Obama...was overpowered for some by the smell of the onion...

And I think it's time to be honest:

Obama is NOT Martin Luther King!

As for me, I don't want his associates formulating foreign policy for my country in the oval room of the White House...... or anyplace else

I'll take my chances AND chanGEs with Hillary!

An also I think this call of racism every day is backfiring on his campaign. Because I am tire of this stuff for every little thing it racism. PLEASE!!!
the obama camp started this stuff in SC after NH and now they continue to this day. If working people who dont want a Unity Pony doesnt vote for him we are all racist. STOP and Quit the race obama.

This part of the game the obama campaign said they would play after Penn. was lost to them. Who knew it would come in the voice of a (neutral) congressman not on the (payroll).
They said they were going to more negative I guess they meant 75% percent instead of 50%.

Clyburn, Exit polls and charges of racism, NYT op-ed pieces, one or two 3rd tier endorsements - this is what Obama offers to mask his overwhelming defeat in PA. where he spent more than any other candidate EVER - and still lost!

Rep. Clyburn - you're being played!!!!!

oops, i used the word boy somewhere in my comment, OH OH! I'm a racist now, pish posh. Clyburn, Obama wont be annointed, he has to fight for it, and Bill/Hillary have every right to fight back, but "oh, whaa, they may deny us first black president" Well, Obama may deny many more women of their 'first' SO? It's stupid when women come out against Obama for that reason, and its stupid for you do it. SHAME ON YOU, CLYBURN! Meet me in Ohio!

I think (and hope) that everyone is waking up to the fact, that the Clintons only care about themselves. Anyone not voting for them are labeled "unimportant", whether it be a race, gender, state, or other demographic group.

That's just how they are.

James Clyburn try to make the medias who are bias to Mrs. Clinton busy for his news, intead the add of Rev Wright in NC.

Dear Honorable Clyburn:

I wish to thank you for your political neutrality. I also respect your honesty, in proclaiming that many African-Americans believe that Senator Clinton wishes to destroy Senator Obama beyond political repair. However, please remember that President Clinton has declared that a Clinton-Obama Dream Team would be unstoppable, sweeping America in political triumph. And Senator Clinton has also embraced the idea of a Dream Team. Historically, fierce competition within each political party primary has always been fair game. And if Senator Obama is unable to withstand the heat from Senator Clinton, he will most certainly succumb to attacks from the Republican Attack Machine. If Senator Obama fails in the primary, it will be from his own undoing. I have yet to hear him embrace the idea of the Dream Team, even the Obama-Clinton version. I encourage you to press fully for the Dream Team, which would mostly certainly resolve the dilemna the Democratic Party finds itself in. And the Team would most assuredly triumph across America in the national election - a win-win situation for all. Thank you for your time and your thoughts.

Apparently like so many Obama supporters, the Representative believes we should just annoint Obama the nominee. If it wasn't for pesky voters in Texas, Ohio and PA the primaries would be over. Senator Clinton stays in the race because a lot of people want her to. These people gave $10 million to her campaign after PA. Believe me the Republicans are not going to anoint a Democrat as President. Grow up all of you.

People have compared Obama with JFK & Lincoln. Both Junior members of Congress / Senate before entering office. Both young and represented Change....

Both DIED IN OFFICE.

Look closely at who is chosen for VP. This year, it might really be important.

With all the turmoil in the world, Global Warming, etc., doomsday analysts pointing to the end times, including all the ancient calendars pointing to 2012 as the end of time .... who knows....

Maybe it can be stopped.

What the world needs now is not more war and in-fighting, but love - unity - peace - understanding - brotherhood.

Obama may provide the right leadership at the right time in history. It's time for a leader to stand and provide change. It's time for a revolution - not with guns, but with words and action - not of force, but of strength & wisdom.

This Republican isn't sold on McCain - definitely not ready for another Clinton in the house. Obama needs to stand on his own - not the actions of other that may have shaped some of who he's become.

It isn't unheard of listening to other points of view - to know what you don't want, or hearing the other side and making up your own mind. Perhaps, he's heard enough of what's wrong and has determined potential solutions - and is willing to work with the common elements to unite instead of using differences to divide.

His plans have not been completely unveiled for the public to see - because we would get bogged down in the details, that make us uncomfortable. They may hurt some, while helping the greater good. Time will tell - if he gets a chance to get very far. He deserves a chance - so far, he's earned it.

I believe Bill is trying to do exactly that. This way if Obama is the nominee they hope he loses to McCain and then Hillary can run again in 2012

James Clyburn, you ole' spiritual, wade in the water, backwards ole'time Democrat from the ole' time good ole' boys backroom and backwoods wheeling and dealing politician (ans I use the word politician loosely).

You rode the coat tails of Bill and Hillary Clinton FOREVER, and now your racist, race-baiting, duplicitious, backbiting self sees the chance to have a so-called Black Man in the white house and your black nationalist, racist sheet came out of the back of your closet.

With your race baiting statements against Bill Clinton, you sir, to me an African American, lifelong Democrat are no better than David Duke.

Please "chill out" and stop making our leaders look ignorant and racist.

After all, my children are watching.

The Clintons' clan had always been morally bankrupt entity. It is the African American community’s naivety that they have so successfully exploited in the past to an extent that the African American community was made to believe that he was one of them! Now that they Clintons are on mission, determined to go the length for White House, that Obama from nowhere appears to prevent them to achieve their long-time thought and planned goal, that the Congressman from SC as well as the entire African American community seem to be discovering who the guys Clintons are and their determination to not only atomize Obama, but also to explode the Democratic Party. The white US citizens want to punish the African community for having defended the Clintons as the most immoral and corrupted beings the time they needed to be put out. Now that the African American community is discovering who the Clintons really are, (bunch of venomous snakes) they are please to tell the African American members. You deserve!

I have seen many interesting comments in this blog for both sides, but I have not seen anyone grasp the true “endgame” for both sides (especially the Clintons).
Who have been the real power broker and leader of the Democrat party since 1992- Bill Clinton.
Who has pretty much (over these 15 years) formed the Democrat Party Machine (or the DNC) and everyone in that machine is in his debt for their position- Bill Clinton.
Now, in 2000 Gore pretty much had to get the nomination because he was the vice and tradition dictated he be given a chance. But really how hard did the machine work for him, hard, but who rarely actively campaigned for Gore- Bill Clinton (of course he was a bit of an embarrassment at that time).
If Gore won then after 2 possible terms (with HRC in the Senate - getting that experience chip and news coverage) it would now (2008) be HRC turn to take her appointed nomination. But I think the machine really did not want Gore to win too badly you see since Bill would no longer be the power broker running the machine - it would have been Gore (if elected) I wonder how hard they (the machine) really tried, Gore seems quite distant to Clinton ever since- I think he knew the “fix was in”. Who remained the puppet master - Bill Clinton
Now in 2004 it was dicey, too early for HRC, and Bush was too strong, but if a Democrat won that year then HRC would be out of the picture for good to run for president. What to do? Well, make CERTAIN that a liberal east coast democrat gets the nomination, folks let’s face it, anything is possible except a liberal east coast democrat winning the presidency (that is a fact show many times over). The machine simply maneuvered Kerry in as a “sacrificial lamb” who’s only purpose was to do the assured - LOSE! Who is running the DNC machine - Bill Clinton
Now, if anyone really doubts that Bill and the machine he built and runs had ever had any other plan than to keep Bill in charge (the machine was built by him- for him, and everyone in it is beholding to him for their position). If Bill is replaced then so are they in time, and they like their power and jobs too. The only way was HRC as president, not anyone else, in fact, it would solidify them in position like no one in history.
2008- HRC was all but anointed as the “certain” candidate for the democrat party, but the machine had not counted on BHO, that was a situation that was not in the plans - EVER! It was certain to be over by super Tuesday - not even any plans or money contingencies after that. BHO turned all the machine plans upside down- they never “saw the bolt that hit them”. The definitely want HRC to be the candidate and even better the president, but the last thing they want is BHO to be president, Gone will be Bill as the real power of his machine, gone will be the people in the machine — - that WILL NOT DO — - PERIOD.
So follow me here, they have little to lose really if HRC or BHO lose in NOV., but the worst case is if BHO wins in Nov. So they will not hesitate to run this primary till the bitter end and get nasty to decrease BHO chances of winning in Nov., so what if the party is split, they are still in charge. They have to stop BHO anyway they can, they can’t be sure that McCain can stop him, but between McCain and the Clinton machine, BHO hardly stands a chance. GIVE THIS SOME THOUGHT!
I voted for BHO in the primary, by the way

Why is it that when a African-American man or woman comes out and criticizes Hillary or Bill about "tactics"; and they are playing the "race card, that it is a disgrace and disingenuous? Well,
that's bull. I'm African-American and I know what they are trying to say, that the Clintons are racists. That is not true. Obama is racist. He hates white people. That's why I won't vote for him because he's supposed to be color blind but he has been "indoctrinated" to dislike white people. I know because I grew up with people like Obama. He's got a radical core but he projects something else. Trust me, I know.

a gerbil would beat McCain in the fall.
Stop the worrying. Whichever DEM wins will smash McSame.

1. Senile. Can not remember details. Ask anyone in the Senate. "He is not a detail man".
That translates as he has no short term memory.
2. former prisoner approves waterboarding prisoners to appeal to right wing voters.
Tell this to the Marines in harm's way.
He has approved the end of the Constitution.
What are we fighting for if we dont get any rights?

He has no chance. He will get the Huckleberry vote, the 27% fundementalists who want to deny civil rights to persons unlike themselves, and to put a religion into the white house.
There is still separation of church and state.

I am a Hillary supporter, and even though I don't think she has personaly said or implied anything racial in this contest her husband has. President Clinton does owe alot to Congressional Black Cauces and the african american voters, he probably would not have been president without their votes. I am a white working class voter from PA. I felt a bit insulted by Obama's comments also, but I think the honest and smart thing for President Clinton to do is publicly apologize to Clyburn and the voters promptly.I like him but sometimes he has a real big mouth and he is doing Hillary no favors.....

To Cali

"After months of saying she would not move the primary date, South Carolina Democratic Party chairwoman Carol Fowler said last week that she would soon decide whether to ask the DNC and the state party's executive committee to move the primary up to Jan. 19 from its current date of Jan. 29."

What does this have to do with Clyburn staying neutral to have the primary moved. It wasn't even his decision.

The worst part of the Clinton spin is that MICH or Florida count. Everyone knows the rules. They just dont apply to the Clintons.

Clinton supports the anti terror bill that eliminated your rights as citizens. Vote no on HRC and the Bush bill of no rights.

You have no right to even know if you have been accused of a crime or if you just offended some right wing nut in a bar.

Only Obama will restore the Constitution.

McCain cannot remember the opponents names in Iraq. He has to take a neurological exam before we should be subjected to Reagan's excuses that he 'didnt remember' when the CIA ran amok.
McCain approves of waterboarding prisoners.
No Geneva convention for them, then no Geneva convention for our Americans if they are captured.
And what's worse? Waterboarding the enemy or waterboarding US citizens. McCain doesnt make any distinctions.

"We are moving in a new direction and have two great candidates to prove it."

They are nearly identical candidates, except for being "black" (sort of) and "female" (married to a former president).

If we want to move in a new direction, we'd better nominate John Edwards.

NOTE: Clyburn will be on MSNBC later w/Keith Olbermann. They're promo-ing him as "neutral". Hahaha.

Congressman Clyburn "repeated the speculation that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, is looking to destroy Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, so that Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., wins the White House in November and Clinton can make another run in 2012 ...
Clyburn did not call for Clinton to bow out, just to take the rhetoric down a notch."

Maybe Clyburn isn't exactly the best person to be calling on OTHERS to "take the rhetoric down a notch"?!

steve and rick
The Obama ads that were run in Fl were national ads not just for Fl. National cable networks said there was no way they could excude Fl. So you can't really blame it all on him.

I wonder how my black brothers and sisters would feel if they knew that when obama and his team were planning their run-there was a decision that he did not want to appear to black-
so who is obama-we know it seems he does not try to indetify with his
AMERICAN part of his african-AMERICAN self.and there was a planned effort to not id with the black part that he claimes.
I think mr. cylburn is acting crazy
mr. obama who we all (black and white and otherwise) did not know-who has not real political resume' or civil rights resume' steps on the scene and decides he wants to run for president-but I do not want to confer with any of the civil rights people who have been working on civil rights for the last 70years.-in essence saying-we are not going to do it that way anymore and we do not need your help.
I would not be suprised if mr. clyburn is just trying to negotiate a better deal from the "daddy obama" big wallet.
no this is guilt talking here
bill clinton I do believe has worked very hard to help the further civil rights and the black/white relations in this country-i do believe bill clinton has tried to level the playing field.
so for the black community to turn on him-and back obama-whose only claim to the black american experience is his face is brown-is crazy
so clyburn now trying to justify why they turned on bill clinton-by blaming bill clinton.
nothing but guilt talking from clyburn.
bill clinton did not start this race thing
obama and his camp did.
they had to do something to draw the black vote away from Sen. clinton.
the clintons had no advantage to playing the race care.
obama had "12 wins in a row and an in the tank media" to play the race card.
and behind closed doors-
mr. clyburn knows it.
and I do believe when this is all said and done-the clintons will continue to do the good that they can to better what part of the world they can-and that will include black people too.
and when this is all over with maybe mr. obama will go back and try to serve the people of ill. better. instead of spending time at the wine and chesse parties of the elities radical lefty
country club.

"the "boys-are-piling-on-me" card, the I'm a woman card"

Are at LEAST as valid as the "black" card, especially when the "black" card is played by an always-privileged person who was raised by, and runs with, and is run by, white people.

"make cause for McCain to win in November."

A major percentage of Republicans voted AGAINST McCain in the Pennsylvania primary. Depending on which way the Democrats go, the Republican candidate COULD be someone else.

If Democrats want to WIN the November election, they'd do well to scuttle Obama AND -- for the good of the party, blabla -- Clinton, and bring back John Edwards.

The party's delegates can overcome the machinations of the party's right-wing "leadership", which would rather lose the election than lose control of the power.

They'd better: the price of groceries has about doubled. This is, of course, a mere annoyance to the well-salaried and the rich -- but by November, the country outside the estates and gated suburbs is likely to look like The Grapes of Wrath, only with way more guns.

Folk's, just enter keyword "Hillary Clinton fired from the Watergate committee", just read it an ask why isn't this in the mainstream press or brought by the Obama campaign. It may be negative but it is the truth, instead of innuendo or guilt by association as the Clinton folks often do. Frankly I was flabbergasted when I read this amazing story OF Hillary's long time habit of lying.

So, 90% of Black voters support Obama. Clyburn is Black but claims to be neutral. Are you kidding me? Whatever is coming out of his mouth is not neutral, it is straight from the Obama spin factory. Clyburn is viewing everything from the frame Obama=good, Clinton=bad. He will say anything to get Obama nominated, including things that tarnish the reputation of the only successful Democratic president since Kennedy. Now tell me, who is Hell bound to damage the Democratic party?

I say, keep Senator Barack Obama out of the mud. Let Hillary totally bury the Democratic party and make cause for McCain to win in November.

Let McCain force the world into total chaos and ruin. The solution is a longer term proposition. This Primary fiasco and the last eight years under Bush have proved that.

It has not been the Clintons nor the media that has dimished Senator Obama's reputation as a candidate but his very own associations, lies and distortions about his life and record. Since beginning this campaign Senator Obama has been trying to transfer his own dirt and garbage onto the shoulders of other people. That garbage comes from inside Senator Obama. He can't brush it off and hide it any longer. He is not presidential material. Again, Senator refuses to face the truth head on. James Clyburn and other Black politicians would not condemn Obama even if he had committed murder with witnesses.

Jim Clyburn - it's comments like these that show why term limits are needed.

I'm black and I'm still waiting for someone to ask me my opinion on the issues with Obama and Clinton. I guess I missed Clyburn's meeting.

People need to stop making this all about race. Does race have something to do with the way people feel about Obama? Of course it does. Is it the only problem people have with Obama? No, it is not.

I could care less if a lot of blacks supported Clinton during his impeachment. A lot of blacks also supported O.J. Simpson when he got off for murdering two innocent people.

So now, according to Clyburn, the Clinton's should be nice to Obama since the blacks were nice to Clinton. Well with that logic, the Clinton's should also be nice to the white and Hispanic people who supported Clinton during his impeachment fiasco.

It's one thing if Clyburn says that Obama and Clinton need to tone down the rhetoric. However, I think it is wrong for Clyburn to solely blame the Clinton's.

"I don't think that they are hellbent to damage Obama ... "

Well, THAT train has left the station -- and it wasn't the Clintons who did it. The only hope for the Obama coup was for him to become the Democratic nominee QUICKLY, before anybody looked behind the curtain.

Presumably that's why the media declared the "phenomenon" at the first primary. Fortunately, it didn't work: nobody's ever going to believe the candidate's hype again -- he's just another pretty corporate face with a huge load of cash, and that "black" thing (pretty bogus, in his case) going on.

This guilting people for their voting choices is going to backfire. Obama can only play this race card so many times before people are disgusted by it.

Amen Dissent is Patriotic... great point. I love the boot in your ass, God Bless America crowd that doesn't understand a thing about the history of this country being built on radical dissent. This election is the greatest example of how out of touch people are with what is bet for America. Flag pin my ass... who cares. Let's fix the issues first then worry about who has more patriotic bumper stickers.

"what is all the stuff about associating with 'radicals' that means Obama 'hates America'."

The MUCH more interesting thing about the Ayers family is its corporate clout, which presumably is the REAL attraction for Obama/Axelrod.

Hillary and Bill are hell-bent to win this election by any means. In their minds all is fair in politics. I don't think that they are hellbent to damage Obama but that will be the result. In their minds it is just politics and they feel they will all laugh about it and shake hands when it is over, win or lose....The Clintons believe politics is a game to win, nothing more...They are playing the American public. McCain and Obama are to a lesser extent too but I don't get the feeling they enjoy it as much as Hillary and Bill do. And to me it is more than a bit unseemly...

what is all the stuff about associating with 'radicals' that means Obama 'hates America'. The founding fathers were pretty damn radical. People that care deeply about civil liberties, racial & economic justice and the desire to stop the gov't from leading the world into perpetual war do not hate America, truth is they love it a hell of a lot more than you do, they care enough to fight for freedoms and not sit around thinking wearing a flag pin means you're patriotic.

Jim Jones,

Thank you for reminding others and me about the Clinton scandals. However, I wonder why I've read or heard not-a-thing about any of them in the media since Hillary has bid for the White House yet I constantly hear about the media's crush on Barack?? Could it be they're protecting her?

Hillary is an old-school Democrat, so has deep roots in the party. However, Obama has a wider reach with new voters, young voters and independents. Hillary's strength is in white, blue-collar voters, hence her strong showing in the Ohio and Penn primaries. I read an article today that polled the youth vote, with Obama ahead 70 percent to 30 percent for Clinton. I think his wider appeal will prover tougher in the general election, where as Clinton appeals more to traditional Democrats. Go ahead and put Hillary in the drivers seat and watch the Democratic party crumble.