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Could Bob Barr Hurt McCain? Obama? Clinton?
April 03, 2008 10:19 AM
Former Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., who joined the Libertarian Party in 2003 after being defeated in a run for re-election to the U.S. Congress, will be the keynote speaker at the Heartland Libertarian Conference in Kansas City, Mo., in two days, and he may announce that he will run for president as a Libertarian.
Whether on the war in Iraq, civil liberties, or torture, Barr has emerged as a forceful critic from the right of the Bush administration, going so far as to team up with the ACLU.
In an interview on Scott Horton's Anti-War Radio, Barr said, “There’s been a tremendous interest expressed to me both directly and indirectly on the Internet. I take that support very seriously, and I think it also reflects a great deal of dissatisfaction with the current candidates and the current two-party system. So it is something, to be honest with you, that I’m looking very seriously at.”
Barr also suggested that his candidacy would be an extension of the campaign of Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas.
“Ron Paul tapped into a great deal of that dissatisfaction and that awareness," Barr said, adding that his campaign would need "a rallying point out there to harness that energy, that freedom in this election cycle."
What do you think? Would such a candidacy be a factor? Whom would it likely hurt more?
- jpt
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I like Bob Barr more than any politician other than Ron Paul. But the difference is monumental. On a 1-100 scale, Ron Paul gets a 90+. Bob Barr gets a 20. The next closest crook in D.C. would get no more than a 10.
Bob Barr is no Ron Paul. He has never respected the Constitution any more an any other pol. He has no core philosophy that he uses to analyze issues, other than "I take such and such position because I, in my infinite wisdom, think its correct," at least that I can discern.
If he runs as a Lib, I'll vote for him, if I don't write in Bozo the Clown. But this Ron Paul spambot will not be working for him, or giving him money.
Posted by: Joe | Apr 7, 2008 2:52:00 AM
Bob Barr... He was in charge of Clinton's impeachment proceedings in the House, was very much in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act, and is a die-hard foe of abortion ("The flames of hedonism, the flames of self-centered morality are licking at the very foundations of our society: the family unit.")... EVEN though in 1992 he licked whipped-cream off the tatas of two strippers, probably cheated on his second wife with a lady whom became his third, and admitted that his same second wife had an abortion in 1983.
Doesn't sound hypocritical at all!
Posted by: Cooper | Apr 6, 2008 2:41:32 PM
I've never heard of Bob and I'm not sure the Press can pull themselves away from fawning over Obama long enough to get to know what the guy stands for.
The race seems to be a popularity contest in the Media that has nothing to do with experience, judgment or anything like policy and issues. They, the media, have backed Obama....not everyone is so easily lead and I must say that some people like him. But that is one of the things I've noticed when asked why they want to vote for him you get responses like "he's nice" pretty much the reason a lot of people voted to G.W. Bush, he seemed affable and nice and he too had the media on his side...more so in 2000 than 2004.
Whoever wins I'll respect them as my President and hope that they'll do a good job....but I'm not naive and know what is said on the campaign trail doesn't always translate into a person's performance at President. The President isn't King or Queen, there is a thing called Congress that has a say so. I'm not sure the American people do anymore. It all seems to be twisted by the media and right now they hate everyone but Obama and his "inspirational" speeched. Anything negative that leaks out gets quickly put on the back burner.
I don't think I've ever seen the media try to have so much power or say so in who we elect though. The fawning we see over Obama can sometimes get down right embarrassing.
Posted by: Dev | Apr 4, 2008 8:36:39 AM
If Bob Barr runs, it will hurt MCCain. I don't know if Ron Paul's support came from the left. Nader is the only one I've heard of so far that can split votes from the left.
Posted by: Genna | Apr 4, 2008 1:52:09 AM
If Mr. Barr will run.. those who are already grudging democrats will vote for him as an alternative to Obama.. so Barr can sway another votes in favor of McCain that leaves us to embrace another Rep inthe White House.., all because of the folly of the DEan, kerry, and Kenneyday and some media big bosses.
Posted by: asd | Apr 4, 2008 12:57:39 AM
I hope Bob Barr runs! the Dems will win by a landslide! Run for president Bob! Pleeease run.
Posted by: DQuinn | Apr 4, 2008 12:04:16 AM
Oh good heavens. You say he lied, but he admitted that it had been hard and he had slipped a few times. It is pathetic to see people have to work so hard to FIND SOMETHING.
Maybe he could make it easier on you. He could have a weekly press conference where he confesses something vile, like chewing gum in class in the third grade or not waiting 30 minutes after eating to go swimming. Then you columnists and cable news guys can rant about it all week until the next shocking confession comes out.
Get another job if this is all you can come up with during a time when Hillary STILL hasn't turned in her 2006 income tax return and thinks the flowers and little girl in Bosnia were sniper fire.
We have a war with people getting killed and maimed, people moving out of foreclosed houses, losing jobs and dignity, and you are obsessing on how someone smelled almost a year ago?
Every time I am around other people who smoke, I come home smelling like that also. What is really smelling right now is the news media who apparently don't have enough to do.
Get over it. He is going to be president, and will still try to make things better for you.
Posted by: lw | Apr 3, 2008 9:59:11 PM
Obama is a traitor to this Nation. He should step down now.
Posted by: bob | Apr 3, 2008 8:10:06 PM
Obama is a traitor to this Nation. He should step down now.
Posted by: Mark | Apr 3, 2008 7:21:01 PM
WestCoastMessaner you are right Hill will be seating in a McCain cabinet, they are very good friends, so she will let down the democratic party and join her friend. The problem will be Joe Lieberman has had a hard time with Hill and he is McCain's best friend with Lindsy Graham. So Hill may have in a McCain's militarist cabinet the office of the Bosnian Affairs with extension to Kosovo and Serbia. God bless America and God bless obama. OBAMA08
Posted by: BKMC | Apr 3, 2008 6:38:34 PM
CHARLIESBABI,strong believer do not talk this way, Obama is a christian, his wife and family are christians, they believe in Jesus and pray every night for peace, love, hope and prosperity for America and the world. Gid bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | Apr 3, 2008 6:32:36 PM
BKMC, I Dare you, I Absolutely, positively DARE You to get OBAMA to say God Bless anything. He will never say God bless America, He wont even take the pledge of allegiance, or cover his heart when the national anthem is sang. So please do not profane Gods name by lumping him anywhere near Obama. Quite the opisite, I believe, If he is not the antiChrist, He is the closest thing we have seen so far that fits the prophecy in Revelations. If you are a Christian, You should really look at Revelations, And then back up and really research who or what the real Obama is.
Posted by: CHARLIESBABI | Apr 3, 2008 6:26:23 PM
POG. Your hysterical hahahahahahah at the end of your so called comment shows the kinds of lunatics that are for Obama.
Posted by: CHARLIESBABI | Apr 3, 2008 5:46:54 PM
Im sorry folks, The Cartoons just ended. This Is SERIOUS STUFF, I know Obama has a different agenda than he is presenting to the American people. Every God fearing person in this Country should be scared to death right now, If they are not saved, and built up real strong in their Faith, They should start praying harder than they ever have. No-one sees that all he has to do is say to someone "I WANT YOUR VOTE" And, Presto, Hes Magic, They were going to vote for Hillary or McCain, But now they are voting for him. A little of his true self came out with the person who wanted to take a pic. with him. I have read Article after Article about his coldness underneath his exterior self. You wont read them on CNN, BECAUSE ITS LIKE ONE REPORTER SAID, "It Should Be Called Obama CNN" It is prophisized that there will be a lot of sleepers, who just flock to him blindly, So, Please if your asleep, WAKE UP!
Posted by: CHARLIESBABI | Apr 3, 2008 5:43:04 PM
"Yes we can."
"Change we can believe in."
Amazing that Barack Obama would knowingly tie into the same style of slogan used by Fidel Castro.
Or, maybe it's not so amazing but just another example of Obama arrogance.
Perhaps, considering the socialist/communist ties that Obama has had in the past, the link is actually quite evident.
Posted by: Jayhawk | Apr 3, 2008 5:00:03 PM
Barack Obama's own words will hurt him more than Bob Barr.
The Republican party will see to that at the appropriate juncture of the process.
"Any distinction between good and bad whites held negligible meaning." (Dreams From My Father by Barack Obama)
Posted by: Jayhawk | Apr 3, 2008 4:53:15 PM
50% and MORE we don't know ! He just slips and slides his way through by NOT answering the tough questions. We're at one of the most vulnerable times as a country re. economy, worldwide relations, immigration reform, etc., etc.,etc., and the reality that PEOPLE are even casting a vote for Obama astounds me. Frankly, it's quite arrogant of him to even be running. It's outrageous ! There's so little we REALLY do know and what is known doesn't rest well with me... not even for a moment.
Posted by: catherine in nm | Apr 3, 2008 4:17:39 PM
West Coast Messinger is an empty Hilliary supporter... Ahh, it's all coming clear to me now. (HAHAHAHAHAHA!!)
Posted by: pog | Apr 3, 2008 3:17:51 PM
pp,
Jacksonians are patriotic.academics are not. Obama is an academic. Most of the media are academics. Most college towns are full of academics.
Posted by: geevill | Apr 3, 2008 2:25:57 PM
americans on the whole tend to be patriotic.all the mccain people need to do this fall clinch the race is to show bho: saying the americans died for nothing in iraq; show pictures of wright and bho denying he knew what he said, saying he did, then showing info in his books about wright discourse; showing michelles comments about never being proud to be an american; show bho without flag lapel and hi rationale; pictures of him not covering his heart for pledge of allegiance, star spangled banner, etc. then show mccain: in uniform; in flight suit by his plane; teaching flight school; as a pow; and as a senator for 20+ years. it would be all over.
some may say these incidents are trite, but the american people are a proud patriotic group and that will be stark contrasts.
Posted by: pp | Apr 3, 2008 2:18:24 PM
NO. IT WON'T MATTER. too many fringe candidates not voters. Barr is a nutjob who got thrown out in a primary.
Posted by: geevill | Apr 3, 2008 1:54:59 PM
GG, the answer is, absolutely. But she won't do it.
Posted by: An opinion | Apr 3, 2008 1:51:06 PM
Bob Barr could cause John McCain to lose Georgia. That's the general feeling in this part of metro Atlanta.
Posted by: Mike Green | Apr 3, 2008 1:09:12 PM
Flo - You asked where Obama's donations came from in March -- $40 million... well, mostly from people like me - a white working class guy who drives a 1999 Mercury, rents a decent two bed apartment and hopes for a better future for America. I researched what legislation Hillary has introduced since being elected in 2000... she can name a post office or federal building like nobody's business, but not a single meaningful piece of legislation passed... guess she was too busy trying to join the marines or army (depends if she tells the lie or Bill does - they can't seem to agree on which she did.) I also looked at what Obama introduced.... impressive - Ethics Reform: Obama was the Senate's point person on ethics reform, and sponsored or co-sponsored the bills that made up what the Washington Post called "the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet." I'm also a fan of this bill, which I think of as the Journalists, Bloggers, and Citizens' Muckraking Empowerment Act: it creates a searchable database of recipients of federal grants and contracts.
* The Lugar-Obama initiative to strengthen the Nunn-Luger framework for securing loose nukes, and to extend it to securing and destroying stockpiles of conventional arms. (For instance, shoulder-fired missiles that could be used against passenger airlines, fired at our forces, or used to make any number of ongoing conflicts more deadly.)
* Various bills concerning the response to Hurricane Katrina, including an amendment putting strict limits on the use of no-bid contracts after disasters, requiring planning for the evacuation of people with special needs and senior citizens, creating a National Emergency Family Locator System, etc.
Posted by: Chgosaint | Apr 3, 2008 12:38:24 PM
I was going to write Paul in in the general election. If Barr runs with Paul's support, he could do well. Well meaning 10% or so if people pull their heads out. I don't know who he will hurt. It really depends on whether or not Paul and like minded people can promote Barr. His entry will attract fiscal conservatives that are aginst the war. Most Americans are now against the war, but judging from credit card debt, etc., Americans are not by and large fiscal conservatives. Too bad really.
Posted by: antenian | Apr 3, 2008 12:30:43 PM
Mary,
How come Obama has not been able to close the deal with such a huge war chest. He's convinced the Democratic left, but that's it. He's now lost any possibility of the Independents. And Hillary has figured out how to get people to look at the Reverend Wright scandal without even having to bring it up, just point out that he's unelectable. Then people start wondering why she would have the audacity to say that. Then they look at the Reverend Wright speech and go, "oh, yeah, I can see why. The Republicans aren't going to let him off the hook on the 20 year relationship."
Hillary Clinton is playing her final round of hardball with Obama and he's about to take the bait. Hillary has already claimed the market's mindshare with the phrase "he can't win", and he can only argue "yes, we can", but without any logic to back it up. The national election is not a caucus.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 3, 2008 12:28:04 PM
TCG,
Interesting theory, I've suggested something similar myself, but I doubt it. The only person who is slightly tainted with the D label that McCain could bring on board would be Lieberman, but I even doubt that. He's seen his day, although he is likely to end up on a McCain cabinet, and you might even see Hillary on a McCain cabinet. Who knows, that deal may have already been cut as a way for her to save face. I support Hillary to the max, but these types of scenarios interest me.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 3, 2008 12:21:04 PM
BKMC,
The way I interpret your statement is that you intend to support Obama through the 2012 election hoping he finally becomes electable by then. He's going to have to do a whole lot more distancing from Reverend Wright if he is ever to get elected. He may have to fully denounce the man along with his words.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 3, 2008 12:17:16 PM
gg
Hillary very well could be a courting John McCain, who may be a one term pres, to be his VP. Good point. Wouldn't suprise me at all if she was doing some angling here.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Apr 3, 2008 12:12:47 PM
Bob was a republican and will give some hard time to McCain. Flo, wake-up the grassroot is supporting Obama and will continue to support his campaign until victory. God bless Obama and God bless America.OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | Apr 3, 2008 12:09:22 PM
marty - I never said that the rupublican don't spend. Republicans borrow and spend, democrats tax and spend. There is probably some crossover, but this isn't far from the truth. Paul does have a clue. He wants to stop the empire/nation building which will help us financially. He is also the best on global warming: The pentagon burns through 440,000 barrels of oil a day. He wants to reduce the size of government which as you know is a middle man for waste and fraud. It all comes down to spending. Again Paul is the only one that says how it is.
Posted by: Ben Straub | Apr 3, 2008 12:05:00 PM
"This is already our biggest problem....spending."
It is a Republican problem most and for all. Look what happened to our national debt after Bush/Cheney took over.
The GOP has no clue about modern economy.
Nor has Paul. In a no taxes situation, China will provide the money for our new schools, roads and bridges.
Posted by: marty | Apr 3, 2008 11:59:27 AM
Bob Barr loser in Georgia - Loser in the presidential race. hmmmmm.
Posted by: thevoter | Apr 3, 2008 11:58:54 AM
James Orleans - Well said. We truly need someone that promotes pragmatism and diplomacy on the world stage and fiscal conservatism here at home and abroad. Only one running that offers these is Ron Paul. Obama comes across as someone who will deal well with other countries, but his platform will spend the most money. This is already our biggest problem....spending.
Posted by: Ben Straub | Apr 3, 2008 11:52:24 AM
I am a big fan of Ron Paul's platform. This is the first time I have been interested in politics. I have even ran for a state delegate position out here in New Mexico because Ron Paul has made me believe that some politicians will stand up for what is right in the face of overwhelming corrupted adversity. Good for Bob Barr. We need someone of the libertarian mindset promoting some of their views in the public forum.
Posted by: Ben Straub | Apr 3, 2008 11:47:24 AM
Should Obama get the nomination, the Republicans and 527s are going to give the American public the information that the media should have been dispersing long ago. As a result, we'll have a substantial number of people going to the polls with the sole purpose of voting against Obama, and the only viable way to do that is to vote for McCain. Alternative parties will have little to no effect.
A nice fringe benefit of all this may be that the Republicans have their eyes opened as to how viable a more centrist candidate can be for them after years of being controlled by the far-right wing of the party.
Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 3, 2008 11:28:53 AM
Obama gave Barr $15 MM seed money because Barr running gives Obama his only chance against McCain in the general.
Posted by: Leslie | Apr 3, 2008 11:25:17 AM
Obama breaks $40 million for March
Yet another success of lowered expectations, and well-concealed numbers, as Obama announces his fundraising numbers for March.
The campaign says he raised more than $40 million from more than 442,000 donors, more than 218,000 of whom were giving for the first time. It's a well Obama's barely begun to tap.
Posted by: mary | Apr 3, 2008 11:16:53 AM
Hillary should be on his ticket as VP. We'd be rid of our national nuisance.
Posted by: mary | Apr 3, 2008 11:14:49 AM
Where did Obama's 40 Million come from. Could it be Farrakan's nation of Islam?
Could it be Wights racist church.
Could it be from his communist friends.
Could it be Fidel Castro? After all the "YES We CaN" is the same chant Casto's faithful chant.
Smooth talkers have lead people astray for centuries. Get beyond the smooth talk and find out what you are asking for.
Posted by: Flo | Apr 3, 2008 10:47:42 AM
Is it true that Hillary is at the top of McCain's vice presidential list? I know she runs in republican circles, but can a democrat pres. nominee switch parties like that after losing the nomination?
Posted by: gg | Apr 3, 2008 10:44:30 AM
I'm not sure how much of a factor it would be. On one hand, Dr. Paul attracted a lot of anti-war votes, on the other a lot of fiscal conservatives. Together, I believe Dr. Paul could pull between 5%-7% nationally but from both sides of the aisle. If it were to cause a swing, it would be to the Democrats advantage. With all due respect to Mr. Barr, I'm not sure anyone else could bring together those votes in this election. However, it would be nice to have the choice to vote for someone who is not Clinton, McCain, or Obama because they are all essentially the same big government candidate.
Posted by: James Orleans | Apr 3, 2008 10:41:47 AM
Maybe Clinton could join him. : )
Posted by: dl | Apr 3, 2008 10:22:15 AM
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