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simple things are clear. like the fact that obama got caught making fun of regular people when he was talking to his rich friends. he had made sure no media were allowed so he thought it would be safe to express his real feelings about the regular people. but someone recorded him and he was caught.

so now he and his trolls are working overtime at damage control.

it's really very simple, and very clear. all the rest is just words.

jgaw,
seah:

Keep it up! You're terrific.

Give 'em Hell, Hillary!

Obama has defended his "bitter" comment; he has apologized for it; and he has said he could have said it better. How many positions is he going to take?? If he is flip flopping on whether he should have used "bitter" or not how can we trust him not to flip flop on more important issues?

independent in nc
thank you for comments
and on your last paragraph
after sen. obama reads it.
if you give him a chance-
and let him be clear
he will make a speech to you telling you he will be just what you said you want.
(he is good at coming back and making speeches about what the american people want)
thank you for you comments
independent in nc.

maybe obama could address why some people are not only bitter but fearful of the way so many in the media are intent on doing everything they can to get obama elected? since he is so astute at determining the typical american is the very unhappy american because of his prejudice and bitterness. he/she/we are the problem because if we don't see the awfulness of ourselves and this country in it's current state we are just not enlightened. does no one see and question why chris wallace calls his own station out because they are being too hard on him. does anyone see and wonder why a journalist (king-cnn) keeps trying to get a governor to agree - shouldn't we just let this go - obama answered, said he could have said it better, isn't that enough. in time the media's favorite son will appear on time with his mother. cute child, cute photo. but how much more proud could the media be than they keep showing they are of obama. and who has ever seen anybody go to such great length in the media for clinton? keep changing the channels you just wont find it. but if it's because she is a monster, why do so many of us keep believing in her and keep supporting her?

Well, If cspan continues as it has this am, Hillary is doomed-I must state up front, I am a black and a hillary supporter. and the black guy (not pedro)
is diffinitly for obama-I will call cpan in the am and tell them in the am.
the black guy is letting obama supporter in on the rep. line. and he is clearly campaigning for obama today.

Suzi-If Hillary loses, it will be MacCain or I am writing Hillary's name in. I am really afraid of Obama. What a mess this election is in...

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08

LeeLee07

Now, if I could just figure out which one is my candidate!

Don't like Hillary, Obama is worrying me, that leaves McCain. OY VEY!

No gun gets into Hillary's hands, per Philly mayor Mike Nutter. "Almost 232 years ago, a group of concerned Americans took matters in their own hands and did what they needed to do by declaring that the time had come for a change," Nutter said as he signed the bills in front of a table of confiscated weapons outside the police evidence room in City Hall. One of them will "allow removal of firearms from "persons posing a risk of imminent personal injury" to themselves or others." - Philadelphia Inquirer.

You sound like a pretty nice person yourself. :D - Best of luck to you,too AND your candidate.

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08

@LeoLoe07

You sound like a decent, reasonable person. I don't agree in your choice of candidates but - hey - it wouldn't be an election if we all agreed.

I wish you well.

SuziQ

Well, Suzi-at present, I don't need the government to take care of any of my needs. I have a good job and good health. But you never know what the future can bring. I feel that I have invested an awful lot of money in our government (along with everyone else) and I do not expect it to abandon me in my time of need which is what happened to the victims of Hurricane Katrina. I pray that I will always be self-sufficient, but if a human being has no where to go for help, they should not be made to feel ashamed to ask for help from their Government. The only shame in getting a hand-out or a hand-up is when you make the deliberate choice to make it a way of life when you can personally do better. I have served in the military and my husband has done 28 years in the Army. We believe in America and we think America should believe in us.

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08

@LeeLee07

What does the government do for you that you can't do for yourself? Keep in mind that the "government" is your and your fellow citizens money that is marked up to cover the bureaucracy needed to handle it all.

One other thing, Suzi- Most of the complaints about the victims of Hurricane Katrina ARE true. I hope you and yours are never placed in the situation those people are currently in.

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08

@Suzi-As our President, that is exactly what Hillary will do. I used the singular "you," you used the plural us". Each of us help to make up this country. Now, if you feel that you can go it alone, then by all means,do so. Me, I appreciate all that my government can offer me, after all, my taxes help to make what is available possible.

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08

I am a Latina woman and i dont' want Hillary to do anything "for me". I do expect our President to protect us so we can go about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in our lives. Notice that the word pursuit is used an not the word guarantee.

People are complaining that neither the Republicans or Democrats fixed their problems. Well, maybe they ought to try fixing their own problems.

I've heard so many complaints about Katrina. Probably some of them are valid but not all. There was a story about a young guy who took charge of a school bus and invited as many people on the bus as they could fit, and he drove it outta there. He wasn't waiting for the government to do something.

Neither am I.

All of this is silly. This November, I am voting for the DEMOCRAT no matter what.

@SuziQ-I am sure you already know what Hillary can do for you. This question has been answered for you night after night on these blogs, but you apparently do not want to acknowledge what is being told to you. I am not going to bother posting another link for you because your mind is already made up. I read these blogs just about every night, so I know. I can tell you that there is not one thing Obama can do for me or the rest of the Hillary supporters because we know he is a fraud, an empty suit that runs around accusing people of being racist, when in reality it is he who is the racist one. I am black, Suzi, and while I would love for a black man to be president, he is not the one. You need to look closely at this man before you make the leap. And even if you do make the leap - this man and his wife will never be the elected occupants of the White House. Good luck.

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08

Jake,

You have rebutted Hillary better than Obama could ever have done.

Congratulations! Keep up the good work.

@LeeLee07

For some reason I have a hard time imagining that anyone would support Hillary without being bribed - either with tax dollars from fellow citizens or direct pay from her campaign.

To paraphrase one of the Hillary supporters here - "what I want to know is what is Hillary going to do for me?". What happened to "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".

Gion
You posted, that Larry sinclair got his money and that was that.Who paid him? Obama, or the Obama camp? how much and why? If Sinclair faild the lie detector test why pay him money?

And pounce she will. If she pushes Senator Obama from the top of the hill over this and scrambles to the top it will only be for a few moments.

Then Senator Clinton will also let her guard down and say what she really means and we will get to watch yet another round of king of the hill.

@ lance D,

In my family we had a Hispanic father and an Anglo mother. We are darker than our mother but not as dark as our father was. I have a sister my daughter's age and our father died when she was little. So, situation similar to Obama - missing father, considered by society to be a race other than the only parent and I have to say, it creates problems. My sister, who never really knew her father, idolized him in a way that the rest of us did not. She also gravitated to the race we appear to be, and the rest of us did not. My sister rose to a high position in the Society of Hispanic Professional Engineers (she met Clinton, Gore, Richardson, etc.)

She has finally embraced the other side of her, as did the rest of us, (we were raised without any exposure to Hispanic culture) and she is now married to an all American white guy.

Obama's confusion over his parentage does not bother me....instead I think it's normal.

Appears sometimes Obama indeed wants to tell his members that his words are just words.

Doesnt this moment for obama seems like the moment in the movie A face in the Crowd. Where the lead Dusty Rhodes smile in the people face all the while thinking how stupid and gullible they are until the people hear the truth.

Lance D: Good night; I also need to go. Good night to all.

rasta- I'm sure McCain and his supports say that about Obama signs, too.

DCS,

Was nice exchanging with you. This doesn't happen very often. Usually people just want to get their point across; and they usually don't care about what you say.

I am off.

The only time Obama's talked about having biracial parents is in (A) Race speech, so "typical white people" wouldn't think he was a BLACK SUPREMACIST. (B) saying his parents met at the Selma March, which was a lie.

HILLARY '08

Nice text!

Now we only need the tombstone and an engraver.

DCS,

Thanks for the quotes, but I think they prove my points. He was clearly reacting to the way society perceived him. Lost of bi-racial kids do that and I don't blame them.

Do you imagine, people constantly telling you you are black even though you know deep down that you are half-half? I don't think it's a very pleasant experience. Most of them choose the side of the minority. See Bob Marley?

Lance: As to my cousins, they are 30 and 40. One of them looks white the other black. Their approach has been trying to teach people from all heritages that they are really lucky to have both of them.

He doesn't need to.

The media does it for him and he doesn't correct it.

@ Definitely Common Sense

Obama will be seen as THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT.

even though he is BIRACIAL.

the media calls him AFRICAN AMERICAN.

[forget about his mother who raised him.]

Definitely Common Sense,

The only word I will change in this quote is "CLING". If you do so, everything else is accurate. And it is exactly the same kind of sentiments the Swiss Nationalists expressed this pass summer election.

More and more you see this all over Western Europe. I think there will be a degree of hypocrisy to pretend that the USA is an exception.

Lance and Gion: When talking about embracing both heritages, I am not talking as to how people is going to think that you are. I know people here in the USA if you are bi-racial (white and black) will think you are black. Why am implying is that for him, Obama, as a human being, he knows he has both heritages and he discarded one for the other instead of choosing to get the good things that both heritages would bring into his life. I am not bi-racial, but I have cousins that are that is they way they have been raised. You do not need to discard one of your heritages to appreciate both.

and the middle class quote was made in front of people who were maxing out the personal contributions....what middle class person gives up to $2,000 to a campaign?

stupid quote and definitely the wrong forum to say it at.

Lance: "And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." So, according to him, people in this small towns turn bitter due to the lack of jobs, economical conditions, etc. and as a result of such bitterness they turn into guns, religions, etc.? I think he is making a judgment for those people that he does not have a right to do? You do not know all the reasons why people resort to their beliefs. It is usually a combination of things. The problem is the generalization of all people. If you take for example, his comments towards this people for having anti-trade sentiments. If he believes, for example, that it is wrong to have anti-trade sentiments because you are bitter because you lost your job, then, what is his underlying message; that people that have not lost jobs due to trade agreements will not be anti-trade? Is he pro or against anti-trade?

New York Voter posted:

"And those who would wrongly suggest that Obama is 'out of touch' are feigning ignorance of Obama's years of service as a Community Organizer, Civil Rights lawyer and State senator to working American families who lost their jobs due to plant closing in Illinois."

1) Service to the Community? Asbestos which still is in most of the homes in Chicago; people without heat in Rezko owned housing.

2) Civil Rights Lawyer? He never tried a case and only argued one appeal and voted consistently to increase sentencing for drug offenders, with no pitch for alternative sentencing as in drug rehab. He voted "present" when faced with legislation that would allow children to serve time in adult prisons.

3) Help for families faced with loss of job due to plant closings? He was too busy helping Rezko.

Navarro write:

Well, we know John Kerry's big on Obama as "black man", anyway.

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Yes, I know! I was replying to Definitely Common Sense who complained that Obama was only identifying with is black heritage.

Do you remember, when scientists proof back in 2000 that Tomas Jefferson had kids with Sally Hemings, the white descendants of Jefferson moved swiftly to ban Sally's descendants from the family heritage. Just to tell how deeply this is entrenched in our minds.

I can guarantee you Americans like Hillary, Bill, John, & Cindy more than they like Michelle.

and if Obama is elected she will take away Hillary's title as the most DISLIKED First Lady.

Poor Hillary.

People don't care about McCain and his wife/ ex wife because if you're going talk about spouses you bring Bill, who cheated, but was an excellent President, Cindy, the Stepford wife, and Michelle, the loud mouth who wants to act like she is a victim of racism when in fact she is privileged.

and about the OBAMA QUOTE

He didn't say it...it was implied.

IMPLIED meaning anyone who is not a fanatic can read between the lines!

Lance D. writes:
"You know, dating back to slavery, being bi-racial meant automatically that you were black or Native Indian. Lot of Americans still think this way."
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Well, we know John Kerry's big on Obama as "black man", anyway.

Bob, you're even lying about that. you're picking and choosing who to respond to, making claims directly to me about what Obama said and ignoring my replies. I wont call that ignoring so much as shouting at someone else while you have your fingers in your ears.

DCS - yes ive seen that quote a million times now, and nowhere does it say that they only cling to religion and guns. you omitted statements after that which state this is only some people that do this, you omitted the other parts which were not recorded about how urban people have bitterness as well,

I never said he had great foreign policy experience. i'm not even claiming Obama is perfect.

but he didnt make up war stories, and he knows the differences between Sunni and Shia and can talk about problems there without liebermann correcting him all the time.

now answer my question.

I still want to know how ONE COLLEGE ROAD TRIP to Pakistan gives you more FOREIGN EXPERIENCE than 80 "USO" trips where you meet the leaders of 80 DIFFERENT NATIONS.

P.S. He talked about his "HEAVY" foreign experience resume at that same SAN FRANCISCO fund raiser.

Bob, you never answered my challenge. I'll take that as a forfeiture.

"He lost all his composure and, frankly, it was hilarious."

Obama was the one laughing in the video, and his supporters were on their feet cheering as he turned the tables on McCain and Clintons out ot touch votes and policies.

obama doesnt make kool aid, he makes lemonade, and it leaves people like Bob puckering and weeping.

night bob, have a good spin!

where did bob go? ive been waiting for his 'proof'

oh well. i cant wait much longer, bob.

anyways, its been shown now the only people who are really offended are the people who are offended by everything Obama does anyways, and an out of touch media who have no idea what middle America is actually thinking and feeling about losing their jobs. the parts people are harping on and parsing now that have nothing to do with being 'bitter' further show the media thinks the rust belt cares more about God and guns than their jobs.

Obama's great response (to the charges):

"I'm out of touch?! i'm out of touch?! I'm out of lost?!...."

He lost all his composure and, frankly, it was hilarious.

"Do you imply that people that are successful are not capable to understand the poor people? "

I'm going to but in here. I think rich people can empathize and help, but unless they lived that life, very few can truly understand. I am more cynical of those born into wealth than those who earned it themselves. People can overcome their environment, but many are a product of it - those who grew up in wealth may not properly appreciate it.

@ Vanessa

Would people elect a person as President if that person was going through BANKRUPTCY?

I doubt it.

@ burton

The SCOTSMEN....where Samantha Power gave the interview in which she called POOR WHITE OHIOANS OBSESSED[with NAFTA] and HILLARY CLINTON A MONSTER.

"Because Obama said people are ONLY anti-immigration, pro gun, and pro faith because their government doesn't listen to them."

prove it. you can't. go grab the quote. i'll wait right here. the full transcript. do it right now.

sentences after this whole thing he says its only in some places, and that there cycnicism in places you think he'd be strong, and people who like him in places you wouldnt.

@ burton

Yay! Jimmy Carter who is meeting with HAMAS.

Like Obama doesn't have enough PROBLEMS.

Lance D: I am not labeling Obama as being hateful. Although I have my reservations as to why as being from a bi-racial heritage, he judged the bad things that have been done from one of those races (white) and decided to embrace mostly his african-american heritage instead of embracing what is good from both. That is one of the facts that makes me wonder if he can really be a unifier. There are people of all races and heritages that have done good, very good; bad and very bad things. But things have evolved; and when you are really a unifier you look into the future you do not get paralized in the past.

Irony:

Clinton net worth: $109 million

McCain net worth : $100 million

Obama net worth : $1.3 million

Average American net worth : $70,700

Clinton out of touch???

@ Goon

Because Obama said people are ONLY anti-immigration, pro gun, and pro faith because their government doesn't listen to them.

He usually says people are angry that the government isn't to them, which is true, BUT this time he went overboard!

EXCELLENT BREAKING NEWS!

DEMOCRAT grandees Jimmy Carter and Al Gore are being lined-up to deliver the coup de grâce to Hillary Clinton and end her campaign to become president.
Falling poll numbers and a string of high-profile blunders have convinced party elders that she must now bow out of the primary race.

Former president Carter and former vice-president Gore have already held high-level discussions about delivering the message that she must stand down for the good of the Democrats.

"They're in discussions," a source close to Carter told Scotland on Sunday. "Carter has been talking to Gore. They will act, possibly together, or in sequence."

An appeal by both men for Democrats to unite behind Clinton's rival, Barack Obama, would have a powerful effect, and insiders say it is a question of when, rather than if, they act.

(read the whole story in the 'latest news' section of news dot scotsman dot com)

Definite Common Sense,

I think you should say welcome to American Politics.

I don't think there is that much "Swift boating" by obscure organizations in the rest of the world.

I think this just give an excuse to all the bigots who wouldn't vote for him anyhow. And, it will be very revealing about the USA if a poor choice of words like this is all it takes to change the outcome of an election. I know it happens in 2004, but look the end result: eight years of W.

Obama has left It all go to his head.

He is high above everyone now.

He is not ready to be a President.

He has talked down about Americans on other occasions.

No matter how he slices and dices it, it is pretty much the same.

He insulted the back bone of America.

what i find amazing is that all these people out there who complain about political correctness, who dont mind that McCain used the words 'gooks' over and over unapologetically, are upset about describing someone as 'bitter'

'bitter'

and

'cling'

you know, heston said proudly you'd have to grab his gun from his cold dead hands... i hear preachers talk about clinging to their faith...

but somehow these words were magically decided to be bad. i just dont get it.

Barack Obama has ALWAYS been against the was EXCEPT when John KERRY was running for President in 2004!

@ gion

I don't know what a rock star's marriage has to do with politics.

Gion writes:
"remember when Obama was the plagiarist?"
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He's STILL a plagiarist -- or, at best, a copycat of Deval Patrick's game plan, speeches, etc. If Axelrod wrote that pap, maybe HE should have run with it. Not as cute, of course.

He's John Kerry, all over again -- Gary Hart all over again, Michael Dukakis all over again. And no amount of ponderous preachifying, at this point, will EVER convince anybody otherwise, not even if he goes on teevee and cries real tears.

"A good percentage of Hillary supporters are crossing over to mccain, who is perceived to be a man of character, even if his positions are too far to the right."

people have short term memories and forgot how much the right hated McCain until they were stuck with him.

Hillary supporters, well most of them anyways, are married to their candidate. they fall in love and then they fall in line. any hilary supporter who would swtich to someone opposing Roe v. Wade is not a democrat.

Gion: I am not a republican.

Gion: I just told you to do the search, I already did. I just also saw the news in ABC, Fox, CBS and CNN. I also listened to several political commentators that have a history of defending Obama and this time they are changing the tune. So, again, you just need to do the search and you will believe what you want to believe.

Definitely Common Sense,

I guess you need to go back to your dictionary and look at a second definition; the one for "despise".

Do you really think Obama despise those people? Please don't take words lightly. I am sure you said some hurtful things that you regretted. Does that make you a hateful person?

25% OF OBAMA SUPPORTERS WILL VOTE MCCAIN IF HILLARY IS THE NOMINEE.

30% OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS WILL VOTE MCCAIN IF OBAMA IS THE NOMINEE.

100% OF REPUBLICANS WILL VOTE MCCAIN IF MCCAIN IS THE NOMINEE.

Liberls (Obama supporters) will vote McCain if Hillary is the nominee.

Suuurrre.

An ELITIST is all about the attitude....( not money ) Obama is arrogant---period.

He thinks people are going to church and praying more cause of the failing Economy...not because of their love for God and Jesus.....so now since OBAMA is raking the money in---- does that mean he-- himself needs GOD less?.......What a dope.....Obama is an embarrassment....the folk who are supporting him really don't know him well.....AXELROD really eraned his MILLIONS from Obama's campaign----TEFLON implies Obama is tough--- I like to think he is just soaked in oil...

I see Tavis Smiley quite his radio show after 12 years. Obama supporters are making his life a living hell. They are even threatening his mother, brothers and sisters. What happened to all the love and hope?

Bob, nothing short of any candidate slapping an 8th grader is going to convince me ANY of them will lose in the fall.

its eons away in political years. What if by some miracle that McCain/Iseman thing returned and was proven true?

What if Barack screws up something much bigger?

what if Hillary were to tell a story like Snipergate a week before the election?

Theres timing, theres the X factor, and theres the real world we live in where terrorist attacks or economic disasters reshape the narrative.

anyone claiming they know what'll happen in November is full of it.

@ David

His wife is.

they have PRENUPTIAL AGREEMENT.

NICE TRY.

Obama is going lose the General Election.

" Just do a search of "Obama bitter" and you are going to be surprised how it is already been discussed even in the other side of the world."

it wasnt even in my newspaper today, not even the op eds. it may be early but its not been as univerally large as people are playing it up to be. a frequest poster on these boards was exposed earlier saying his small town paper was all over it. when pressed for proof by showing the website of the paper he wouldnt give up the name of the paper or any facts for people to check on it. spin spin spin. blah blah blah.

all i knwo is what ive seen and that is hillarys attacks at her rallies have been met with only mild response, but Obamas defense had people on their feet clapping.

Lance: Welcome to politics. It would not be wise for a polititian not to take advantage of this. This is a real, big, issue. His campaign is going crazy trying to see how they are going to be able to do damage control. Just do a search of "Obama bitter" and you are going to be surprised how it is already been discussed even in the other side of the world.

Well,

I guess we can't forget Norman Hsu and Peter Paul for their large contributions to both Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton

@ Gion

Because painting JOHN KERRY AS AN ELITIST IN 2004 is how the Republicans beat him.

John Kerry's 2004 campaign and Barack Obama's campaign have a lot of similarities.

Lance, yup, they could have let it be what it was and it couldve been more damaging. but the both need a bigger blow against Obama, and have reached further than they could stretch with 'elite'

you point that finger, and with their wealth you've got dozens pointing back.

that and seriously, pushing the gun rights thing today.

A Clinton... claiming to be the gun rights candidate.

now THAT is truly that condescending. I guess she expects the rust belt's memory doesnt remember anything before 2000

New Yorker: Can you please list the real accomplishments by Obama that makes him such a great leader? You forget that there are different kinds of education. You have the ones that for whatever reason were unable to complete a "high school" education, but they have learned in the University of Life; you have others like Obama that were able to attend a real elite-university for people with high intelligence. And you have those who have attended both. Many times those who attend the high-elite univesity are unable to go back to reality, real issues, real work. Obama is in this category.

Vanessa, don't forget the gifts Obama has gotten from Resko.You don't have to declare it because it came from a mobster!

@ Gion

Um...he was counting A ROADTRIP TO PAKISTAN AS FOREIGN EXPERIENCE. HOW IS THAT FOREIGN EXPERIENCE VS. MEETING WITH FOREIGN LEADERS?

You Obama followers are hypocrites.