Former Clintonista Pushes Unity Ticket Petition -- "His Own Idea," He Says (Ahem)

I agree that Clinton has run/ is running a rotten campaign.

BUT.... Hillary has accomplished so much in "real time" and is so sharp when it comes to solutions and resolutions and plain olde ANSWERS....simple ANSWERS to convoluted conundrums.... that she really HAS to be the winner!

Aside from that, we don't need to question her patriotism!

So I'll sign off by saying:

GIVE 'EM HELL, HILLARY!!!!

The current division within the democratic voters is based on identity voting perpetuated by the Obama campaign and the RNC machine feeding the mainstream media. This divide and conquer strategy has been used by Republicans and other unsavory political figures throughout history as a tool of oppression, politics, and war. Clinton is the only candidate who has been focusing on the needs of all Americans without pandering to a specific demographic. She knows how to beat the RNC machine because she has been a victim of those same tools. She has 29 years experience fighting and beating them at their game. Obama is simply falling in step when it appears to work to his advantage. If he gets the nom, they will use it to beat him. Remember, he has never had to go up against them and has no clue they are using him. The shift to identity voting has been engineered by Rove in his open letters to Obama on how to beat Clinton since last year. Bill Clinton is absolutely correct when he says going all the way to the convention is a good thing and will be a great tool to unite the party at that time. Let the system work the way it is designed to work. I am a Clinton supporter for many reasons. I am an Independent because I refuse to follow wing-controlled parties. The eagle cannot fly on one wing. We need a centrist/moderate to represent our diverse nation. The RNC knows its only possible way to win is to encourage division among democratic voters and hope to get some support for McCain out of anger. Last year, I said this would happen and it has been happening as predicted. This year, we need to let it play out in spite of the push by the Republicans and Obama to prevent the system from working. A unity ticket does not have to include Obama as VP. He might serve another cabinet role better. In any case, it is too early to discuss veepstakes for the dems... the people have not voiced their opinion on the nominee yet in 10 contests. Let the system work, let the voters vote, then let the delegates have a battle of the ballots like they are supposed to have. Either candidate has stated they will support the sinning candidate without question. In other words, the party will unite after the balloting is completed and come out stronger than ever against McCain. I believe Clinton is the most qualfied, accomplished, and electable candidate. If the delegate difference narrows to 2%, as few as 80 delegates can swing the nomination. As designed, 76 additional unpledged delegates may get appointed per the rules in this historic race. See you at the convention!

S.Valenti: Why can't you Clinton supporters face the facts??? If the media is slamming Clinton with stories the last few days, perhaps its because she MADE the stories!! No one grabbed the hospital story (which by the way, has NOT been proven to be true at all....the story should have been vetted, no matter which way you look at it and Clinton did not do that. I was at a san antonio rally for her and she presented a similar story with a live little girl in the front row...the staged exploitation was pathetic).
Clinton waged a very bad campaign - no one's fault but her own. To use ANYTHING like Rev Wright, Mi and FL votes is absolute garbage....you don't need to attack Obama for running a good campaign, raising the money and getting the job done. She might still win PA and IN BIG and eventually become the nominee (although highly unlikely due to the math) but that does not erase the fact that Obama has gotten the job done, she has not - its really very simple.

One of the problems here is that Obama promised Richardson the VP slot...I guess Obama may soon get confronted by a number of insiders that he has promised the VP slot .....Kerry, Biden and Dodd are going to get a shock and Edwards and Gore aren't buying Obama's promises to make them VP
...but Richardson became a "true believer" when the price was right

It seems that both candidates' supporters can't get past the enmity generated during this campaign. I'm hoping that at the candidate's and DNC level that the conversation is more adult and pragmatic. Can these candidates and their campaigns work toward the common goal of finally winning back the presidency. If they can't, then I guess we take our chances.

We know, however, that 2004 was the democrats' race to lose - and we did.

I refuse to vote for ANY ticket with a clinton on it, PERIOD.

I would not support a Obama/Clinton ticket. it would be hypocritical. I am an Obama supporter and he would not change Washington if she was on his ticket. it strange how Clinton supporter's want both on the ticket since Obama is winning but if Hillary had been in the lead they would not have even considered it. She and Bill have criticized him while praising McCain how Obama work with her as his VP No way!!! not now not ever
Obama 2008

Maybe Obama can appoint her to a cabinet position. To show some support.

An ambassador gig, would be good to. How does Ambassador to Bosnia sound?

It seems that every story of the last few days right up until this afternoon - 3:14 p.m. to be exact - EVERY STORY - has been slamming Clinton - insinuations (this story) to picking at the most inane, minor details from her recent speeches.

Now, someone's gotten off their behind and actually learned some details of the hospital story that supports what Clinton had been saying.

I've already cancelled my subscription to my daily newspaper because of its heavyhanded, biased coverage of this campaign. I no longer watch most of the big networks. Pretty soon, I'll be relying solely on NPR.

What I can't stand even more than the huge bias however, is the perception that Clinton's supporters are cranky and oversensitive. We're not AND we have the means to express our displeasure in ways that will affect the bottom line of the media outlets that continue to try to sideline and even derail her candidacy.

STOP RELYING ON DAILY 'TALKING POINTS' FROM THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN AND GET BACK TO THE ISSUES OF THIS CAMPAIGN.

"Anyway, guys, i'm out."

You quit first? ... you lose. So much for fun this afternoon.

Kevin, this is a Presidential election, not a varsity playoff. Never quit. Anger and frustration are part of the process. If Hillary Clinton loses the nomination, I can vote for McCain or stay home. If Obama wins the election, I'm right where I am now: waiting for Jed Bartlett. :-)

This is what you have yet to grasp: this isn't about racism. It isn't about gender. It isn't about rich versus poor or educated versus uneducated. The role of the pollster IS to divide us. I reject that. I want Hillary because I want a competent executive in the Oval Office. That is all I am considering: her very evident skills at governing.

But this is the real issue that Dean and Pelosi and the soon to be unemployed in the DNC don't get:

The 28% is not necessarily voting for Hillary Clinton. They are voting against Barack Obama just as the Republicans once voted for Richard Nixon against George Wallace. They see clearly that this is no time to embrace radical left wing extremists. He has yet to speak to the issue of Black Liberation Theology, to explain why he sat his children in front of men preaching that, or why he refused to confront it before it was politically expedient. The test of character is what you do when no one is watching. It is not figured by what you gain but by what you willingly lose to do the right thing.

That won't change. Even if he wins, that won't change.

I like how Kevin has equated reason with anger. I too have looked at both campaign's websites, listened to both of their speeches and looked at both of their records. Just because I'm a Clinton supporter, I cannot simply make the argument that she is a better candidate because I have done those things, which is exactly what Kevin has tried to do here. Because we are supposedly "less" educated, we cannot form our own opinions and are categorized as angry and crazy because of it.

oh yeah sure this was an "independent" idea

If this was truly a plea for a unity ticket the order of Pres/Vice Pres would not have been so clearly articulated

This is the same sham way Bill and Hillary herself tried to give an illusion that "you can have us both"

Once again - the Clinton campaign under estimates that people are really paying attention this year --

Anyway, guys, i'm out. There is just too much anger in here from the Clinton people. This misplaced anger is not helping. Your candidate, based on the incompetence of her campaign alone, deserves to lose.

Len

I understand your position. But look, Hillary lost this race. Obama didn't win it. Try and direct some of your frustration at the woman, not just Obama. Her campaign made every mistake in the book and allowed this rookie to beat her. Look, i like Hillary and will support her in a heartbeat. But let unfortunately for her she lost this election infebruary when she allowed Obama a free ride in the caucuses and aloowed him to win 11 or so straight contests. How could she expect to bounce back from that? She underestimated Obama the same way Gore underestimated Bush. If you are not an incumbent, don't campaign as one. You respect your opponent, you fight in every state, every caucus because they count. Knowing her sizeable advantage in Florida, she should have agreed to punish the state in the first place. That was an idiotic mistake. Now they have gone an made Puetorico a primary instead of the caucus it once was. Good idea. This is what they should have done in the first place in most caucus states. They had the weight to do it earlier, why now when it's basically too late?

Kris

Go to the man's website if you are interesting in knowing about his plans for the country. I am an Obama supporter, but nearly everyday i go to Hillary's website to see what her plans are.

Kevin -

Know you are tired of arguing with me but I am sick of hearing that you have a college education.

Believe it or not there are Clinton supporters that are well educated and financially well off.

Will you please tell me exactly what changes you perceive Obama making if he becomes President? Please don't give me the pie in the sky speech - I want something of substance that you absolutely are certain he will achieve.

Len -

Spot on.

Len

My position on Wright is the same as Obama's. I think those particular comments played on TV were deplorable and Rev. Wright deserves the criticism. I also think the preacher is arrogant for not coming to the nation and apologizing for thosee comments. In fact, in all honesty, his silence has bothered me more than the comments. But only exposing those comments and neglecting the man's good deeeds, makes a caricature of the man, and is fundamentally unfair. But most importantly, I think Obama is not Wright, and judging a man that has done good his entire life, on the few words of another man not even running for office, is idiocy on a level that even the most average of Americans, can understand. I mean, seriously, you write off Obama because of a few words uttered by his Pastor? If we begin to judge Presidential candidates on such flippant basis, where do we stop? Do we judge Clinton based on her husband’s infidelity? Or what about her friends that might have uttered racist comments? If Obama himself had made those comments, the this is an entirely different issue. But what about the excuse made by Obama that he never heard those particular comments? Are we to dismiss those as lies? See, Obama haters are making a very complex argument regarding this Wright issue. Certainly it will affect Obama in the General election, but it will not have nearly the effect people think it will. Most people that will not vote for Obama because of Rev. Wright, would not have voted for him in the first place.

Clinton had a chance as long as she drove home her argument that he is not ready to lead. Even I, a staunch Obama supporter, began to wonder if he really was ready. This Rev. Wright issue was a distraction to the Clinton campaign and allowed Obama to shine. Adversity, as they say, reveals character. Obama, clearly, has articulated this race issue extremely eloquently and erased doubts from the minds of his most important supporters: liberal educate white dudes like me.

Well Kevin, when a man defends racists and his points go up, it could be he has a strong following among other racists.

And your position on Wright is what?

Len

You sound like a reasonable fellow, so let's reason together on Michigan and Florida. When the rules were made by the Democratic National Party, all candidates, including Clinton, agreed to it. Obama and Edwards took their names off the Michigan ballot and didn't campaign in Florida. So you really think that the Democratic party will change the rules in the middle of the game to favor one candidate over the other? Actually, to favor the losing candidate over the wining candidate? Lol. Mark my words, my friend: That will NEVER happen. Not in this country. Rules are rules whether you like them or not. If Clinton had a problem with it, she should have objected at the beginning. Secondly, Clinton and Obama are tied in the polls in Michigan. There is a huge black population in that state and there is no guarantee that she would have won Michigan. I think most Americans see through her BS on Florida/Michigan and know that she's in it to serve her own self-interest. Why do you think she keeps sliding in the national polls?