Political Punch

i love the arguments with such passion, it's like a soap opera with the audience rooting for their favorite and bashing the others. every politician, being human, has good and bad points. every poltician, being in this game of politics we have in america,

So, the tanks of '68 returning?

Actually he did not count the number of delegates Hillary has. All of the other sites: CNN, FoxNews, MSNBC, all show that Hillary has 1,500+ delegates, so that makes his math totally wrong.

JP said the following (and I cannot agree more):

If Clinton thinks it’s so bad to "disenfranchise" the voters of Florida and Michigan, why is she trying to get the pledged delegates to disenfranchise the voters they are pledged to represent?

Why even vote if someone is not going to faithfully represent your vote and the tens of thousands of other voters who assumed they would be represented by the pledged delegate?

Well said JP!!!!!

carmen z
thanks for your comments
every word you have written is so true
I could feel the heart in everyword.
with you comments-all of the hillary supporters and everyone else knows
who the true patriots are
and who really has the betterment of the country and the world at heart.

If Clinton thinks it’s so bad to "disenfranchise" the voters of Florida and Michigan, why is she trying to get the pledged delegates to disenfranchise the voters they are pledged to represent?

Why even vote if someone is not going to faithfully represent your vote and the tens of thousands of other voters who assumed they would be represented by the pledged delegate?

Haha, Rove. McCain doesn't stand a chance... I think Dems have learned their lessons. Once we figure out who our nominee is, we'll get our heads on straight. We're outraising Mccain by something like 6 to 1.

Hehehehehe... keep hating each other, Dems! It's just what us Republicans want! I can't believe we actually have a shot at winning- only the Democrats could ruin THIS chance they have!

How could he predict his "MATH", if the Final results aren't tallied.

You all just wish this beautiful, talented, competent, graceful, difficult,woman and mother, was all that you claim.

To find out about the REAL Sentor Obama, your "SAVIOR"--after reading these, then tell us about the delusions you DON'T HAVE.

Hopefuly the Socialist/Lib party will be no more!

Elle, you wrote: "She endorsed John McCain OVER Barack Obama." I wouldn't characterize it that way. We all know that Sen. Clinton will practically say and do anything to become President of the United States. Well, she knows that if Sen Obama wins the nomination that there is a chance -- depending upon who is forecasting, somewhere between a 45%-55% -- of winning the general election. And should Sen. Obama win, then she would probably be too old to run in 2016. (She knows that she could not oppose a President Obama in 2012.) So either she is in the general election this year or her last shot of becoming president will be 2012. And if she does not win the nomination this year, then the only real chance for her in 2012 is if Sen. McCain wins the general election.

That just goes to show you how sincere -- Not! -- she is about her agenda. Everyone acknowledges that there is about a 5% difference in what she and Sen. Obama are advocating. Thus Sen. Clinton is putting her own interest ahead of the cause that she claims she has been fighting for over the past 35 years.

The media keeps repeating all the supers who moved ot BO after Feb5. I am curious to know how many moved to support BO after Mar4 and still how many pledged for BO after Dean, Reid and Pelosi talked about 'the something' in place to resolve the competition. All of the Wright stories broke after Mar 4 and that to me is a difference like night and day!

It is actually much simpler than you present there Jake. In 1982, the DNC changed the rules for delegates allowing them to change their vote as if they deem fit. This allows multi-ballot conventions that would be needed when a race is close like this one. The superdelegates would prefer the delegates make the decision of course! End result? The voters provide snapshots in time and the delegates can use those snapshots as guidelines but they are not bound to them. Most will follow the guidelines as usual but only 120 of the 4418 would need to change to tip the election - less than 3% of the delegates. This is highly plausible and certainly justification for both candidates to stay in the race through the convention. Are you implying that the voters of the remaining contests do not matter? Certainly they matter as do FL and MI voters! Their delegates need guidelines too. All voices should be heard - even if Obama doesnt want to listen!

Elle,
you might want to remember that approximately 20% of the bho supporters said they would vote for McCain if hillary was the nominee...goes both ways my dear.

Hillary has never been able to challenge bho on a level playing field because of the unbelievable bias of the media, and party elite.
Michelle obama was just in nc. when they were setting up for the talk, supporters were saying "we need more white people in here." they then proceeded to move peoples seats to get "white people in the front rows. what if hillary had said the same about "black people".....
bho got a free ride on the whole wright deal. He may have been able to talk himself out of being tied to the preacher, but what about the tenets of the church? it says, to paraphrase, that they are to give their money and acquired skills to the black community, to pledge their allegiance to the black community, to embrace the black value system. you know what would happen if that was hillary's church talking about the white community and value system...
there would be no end to the discussions about hillary and her leadership abilities if she had voted "present" as much as bho...
the press would jump all over hillary if she did not cover her heart for the pledge of allegiance or the star spangled banner...
If half hillary's contributers where ceo's, etc from large corporartions, and were "bundling" to increase donations, we would never hear the end of it, but bho...free ride.
And the list goes on.
And the lies continue.
And bho continues his campaign on a free pass.

So, when one wonders why a Clinton supporter would think so little of their democratic ideals and principals (think Big Picture, like say, the Supreme freaking Court, for eg.), that they would rather cast a vote for the Republican -- the pro-life Republican who has pledged to put strict Constructionist judges on the Supreme Court -- than for the other Democratic Candidate, the answer is quite simple:

Why, of course, it's because Hillary Clinton endorsed John McCain. She endorsed John McCain OVER Barack Obama.

And she's told her supporters that over and over again in so many ways. She's given them PERMISSION to think and do the unthinkable: vote *against* a fellow democrat if the democrat YOU want, doesn't win the Democratic primary.

Remember? When she said she'd and her "distinguished friend" John McCain had crossed the threshold to become "commander-in-chief" but "you'd have to ask Barack Obama with respect to his candidacy"?

That's right. There she was standing up there in her press conference in DC on March 6/08 surrounded by flags and Generals, saying that Obama would have to speak for himself as to whether he's passed that threshold, all the while as she stood up there as the Official SPOKESPERSON -- for HERSELF -- and -- JOHN McCAIN.

As a woman and a feminist, she has become a massive disappointment to me. I'm for the best person. Not the best (enter qualifier here). I'm for the person who conquers the divide. Not for the person who divides and conquers.

Jay Svenson:

YOu should look into the way Obama has "levelled" the his voting field in Illinois by eliminating his competitors.

Look it up in the Chicago Tribune; it IS scarey!

Linda,fl

Not to worry; you've been disenfranchised by your buddy.
No vote for you!

Ta Ta.....

Looks like somebody here is out of mind, meaning Hillary having some qualification. Where did You get it, angry Guy from Mi?
She never managed anything and anybody(could not manage even in her family), starting this campaign she demonstrated complete disability to manage: neither the team nor finances nor messages no ideas, except Tale-talking: all oriented for VERY low developed people, who can believe, that being the Wife of Mechanic woman can repair the car ( do You? Then do not go to mechanic, go to his wife, she will repair it "perfectly" and certainly cheaper).
If this is Your credo - You better sit quietly with those stupid thoughts and do not talk to public.
The problem still is - she is so dirty and nasty, that people physically can not stand that dems mess And that is SHE, who created it at no end (because of nasty nature and attitude).

But we will stand it.
You know, people do have wisdom.
And you, clinton's toys,would not change the way of History.

So sit quietly.
Her time is gone, both - in math and in common sense.

carmen zayas ;

That was a wonderful post.

Thank you.

GIVE 'EM HELL, HILLARY!!!!!